10:10 pm December 19, 2011, by David O'Brien
January 2nd, 201212:50 pm
I won’t say why bother when you write a new blog, DOB. I appreciate any news concerning the Braves. At this point, you may have to do like some on the ole blog and make some stuff up! The Braves have left the building.
I just think adding a better 4th OF or back up 3rd baseman would have been my #1 need this off season. With a limited budget and unwillingness to trade prospects this is the best route to improve the roster. With Chipper when you factor in days off and a great chance of him being injured you have to count on Prado playing around 30 to 50 games at 3B. I just think using Diaz/Constanza that much is a negative..
January 2nd, 201212:52 pm
Wish I could find a update somewhere on the condition of Jeff Porter and his son. All storys I have found on the net are a day old.
Almost game time ……………………. GO DAWGS!!
January 2nd, 201212:56 pm
Yup, close to kickoff, hopein they do well
January 2nd, 201212:58 pm
I just think using Diaz/Constanza that much is a negative..
The thought doesn’t thrill me, either. But, assuming health and normal production from 1-6, the team should have enough offensive depth to withstand the absence of one player. That’s assuming that Fredo will put his “regular” guys out there with some regularity, LOL. Last year, he had a tendency to rotate his days off so much, that he never had his best 8 out there.
January 2nd, 201212:59 pm
UGA is playing a bowl game?
January 2nd, 20121:01 pm
Lets say WSH does sign Fielder. There’s no way anybody can tell me there’s not at least an ounce of worry and maybe even a tad of frustration on even the biggest “homer”, supportive fans. They know who I’m talking about here.
I’m supportive and even a homer to a point, but damn, Braves should be a little worried at this point,IMO. These are teams you face the most. They can have a lot of say in your success throughout the season and if you get a playoff spot. I don’t completely buy the “we love our team and aren’t worried about what those other guys are doing”. BS! Yes you are.
UGA’s home away from home……………… The Outback Bowl
January 2nd, 20121:03 pm
Romney With his attack ads attacking Newt on SC tv, give it a rest Mitt.
January 2nd, 20121:05 pm
Thrity-five bleepin’ bowl games. What a crock. What right-minded alumnus wants to road-trip to, oh, the Meineke Bowl? Bubba, please.
On the other hand, I’m leaving for Miami tomorrow morning; first bowl-game road-trip in years. I still have friends down there, so it should be a good time.
January 2nd, 20121:06 pm
Best of luck,scoots
January 2nd, 20121:07 pm
I would be very concerned. We already have a hard time beating them….They sign Fielder and put him in that lineup it makes everyone better. Then after this season they’ll be spending on a CFer, and most likely Bryce Harper will be ready who is comparable to our Heyward. Chance to be a monster team going forward.
Now if we can sustain our great starting pitching and bullpen production with a much improved offense I think were the best overall team in the division this year. But I dont like that were hoping everything falls our way with out adding any depth.
January 2nd, 20121:09 pm
At least Mich St and Georgia have good records both are 10-3, should be a good game.
I doubt Harper will be there opening day. Of course if they want to screw him up, have at it I say.
January 2nd, 20121:12 pm
Outta here to watch game, GO DAWGS
January 2nd, 20121:14 pm
Possible 2013 Lineup for Nationals.
January 2nd, 20121:18 pm
Too far away, but possible. Being able to watch the Nationals often I’ve became a fan except when they play the Braves lol, just like I randomly started watching the Braves on TBS when I was 10 years old, I wasnt even into baseball but they became my favorite team.
January 2nd, 20121:23 pm
You need to find a place for this guy. He will be playing for the Nats a long time.
signed by Washington as a free agent 12/6/10
$4M signing bonus (paid January 2011-2012)
11:$10M, 12:$13M, 13:$16M, 14:$20M, 15:$21M, 16:$21M, 17:$21M
full no-trade clause
January 2nd, 20121:28 pm
Yeah I forgot about Werth, they will have to trade Morse.
January 2nd, 20121:31 pm
The Nationals are hoping Morse has another good season, they trade him to open up a spot for Bryce Harper. There nuts to put him on the 25 this season tho.
Even if the Nationals sign Fielder, they are still worse than our Braves for 2012, imo. It’s when you start talking 2013 and beyond. That’s a good looking group when Harper and Rendon are up and playing everyday. I like their staying potential more than Miami.
January 2nd, 20121:44 pm
For the same reason, I pull for the Rockies (we get their FoxSports feed in UT). But they will never replace the Braves for me.
Same for the Giants, as I watched a lot of their games from the mid 70’s until the late 80’s.
January 2nd, 20121:49 pm
maybe the Yanks would like a more affordable pitcher for their roster like Jurrjens? Or are they gun shy with the Braves after Vazquez for Vizcaino et al?
January 2nd, 20121:53 pm
Harper needs to start at AA. If he tears it up, move to AAA in June. If he keeps tearing it up then a late season call up is justified. I just would not rush the kid
January 2nd, 20121:56 pm
Edwin Jackson wants five years, 60 million? He and Saunders are probably the only remaining free agent starters to get multi year deals. Seems like Oswalt and Kuroda will sign for one year.
January 2nd, 20121:57 pm
the Marlins need to move Coughlin back to 2B. That will be his position long term. Moving him around in the OF completely screwed up his hitting as well as his mind. Marlins could easily be strong in the field though they have work to do with their pitching.
1B – Logan MOrrison
2B – Coughlin
SS – Reyes
3B – Hanley
LF – Ozuna
CF – Yelich
RF – Stanton
their young pitching struggles so it will be interesting to see how their #1 pick this past year works out. Chad James is a #3 starter at best – ceiling similar to Minor but without the polish of a college pitcher
January 2nd, 20121:58 pm
Espinosa is their future SS. Rendon can’t play that position – he’s either a 2B or a 3B.
January 2nd, 20122:00 pm
Brian, this is a guy who has been rushing his entire life, he quit high shcool and got his GED in order to get his baseball career started faster. He didn’t look bad in spring last year. I am sure that he has improved and if he is in a lineup with Werth, Zimmerman, Espinosa and possibly Prince, he would have less pressure and plenty of protection in that lineup.
January 2nd, 20122:03 pm
Morse and Zimmerman are free agents after 2013.
January 2nd, 20122:04 pm
I agree with Harper. Lets see what happens if he does anything stupid like blowing a kiss at a pitcher after he just went yard. The minor league tactics won’t last long in the bigs. Let him do that one time and then its Zimmerman gets popped because he happens to be the next batter. IF he allows the vets like Zimmerman and Werth take him under their wing he will be fine. If not, he will be a huge problem.
January 2nd, 20122:06 pm
We’ll see if they can sign Bourn next offseason if they sign Fielder in the next couple of weeks. They probably could, but it remains to be seen.
Bourn may get the biggest contract of any CF next year based on age, base-running and his glove. He isn’t the offensive player Victorino or Upton are. Very little chance he remains a Brave after next year, imo. Just send him that qualifying offer and get those two draft picks.
January 2nd, 20122:08 pm
Maybe the guy was angling for a winter on the physic ward.
Not that it matters, but it was a Mesonic Lodge ritual. One of the elements of this secret society is you have to break a million dollar bill at Wally World, buy a raygun and recover the “Arc of the Dissected Frog Legs”.
Obviously, this guy didn’t have the fast twitch muscles to perform.
January 2nd, 20122:10 pm
Efrim,,, imo Upton has not even come close to living up to his potential. After all of this time, I wonder if its a mental game,,, meaning he hasn’t and is not willing to put in the work it takes. The game has always been so easy for him and he just doesn’t work as hard as he should.
January 2nd, 20122:11 pm
Efrim, I actually like the Nationals this year as a dark horse even if they don’t sign Fielder. I’m looking at the Braves and Nats and really don’t see a huge difference except our SP is a little better and it’s definitely deeper. Pen is ours too, but not by much. Their offense is better and defense is a wash,IMO.
I would not at all be surprised, and actually expect Wren to be thinking the team as it stands right now is perfectly fine. He could be exactly right, but the fan in me realy wants a trade for a big bat for the OF. No way that’s gonna happen. Maybe a decet platoon guy though. Just hope JHey can bounce back.
January 2nd, 20122:14 pm
The two East divisions are deep,, the AL, yanks, sox, blue jays and rays, and with the NL, phils, braves, nats and marlins. No matter what, it should be exciting throughout the year. No team in either can afford to go on any extended losing streaks.
January 2nd, 20122:20 pm
Yeah meant to put 2B for Rendon. SS for Danny Esp
January 2nd, 20122:27 pm
Sorry but if the Nats get Fielder they will be a dangerous team. They will probably be the second best team in the division. That is a big, big upgrade to that team. Laroche is solid but hes not Fielder. Fielder is a game changer.
January 2nd, 20122:33 pm
I can make a solid argument that the Braves are a #4 seed in the division as it stands today. First we have a losing record over the last two years against them. Pretty close though. Our top starters are probably even though when healthy we are deeper. Nats have changed dramatically defensively and are better offensively. Still, in a perfect scenario we could be challenging the Phillies again. Acquisitions and health will get us there. We have neither of those known yet.
January 2nd, 20122:34 pm
if the nat’s get Fielder,, then what do they do with Laroache. Obviously move him somewhere. The other thing is at this point, I don’t see Fielder getting a 10 yr deal. 6 or 7 yrs yeah plus he would be a FA at the age of 34.
January 2nd, 20122:37 pm
“Last year, he [Fredo] had a tendency to rotate his days off so much, that he never had his best 8 out there.”
This tendency (especially early in the season) and his tendency to bunt whenever his lead-off hitter got on are hopefully two of the things that Fredo learned were not good ideas.
At least, this season, he can’t bat AGon second.
January 2nd, 20122:38 pm
Dadgum, logically speaking you could be right. But I’m not sure the wins and losses we have against the Nats will change nearly as much as the rest of the teams they play.
January 2nd, 20122:45 pm
” I can make a solid argument that the Braves are a #4 seed in the division as it stands today.”
Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winnah! And the gNats haven’t even signed Princess yet.
Braves finished way out in front of gNats, Marlins, and Mets, … even with Lowe, down years from Heyward and Prado, McLouth most of the season, Fredo’s managing style, and a historic September collapse.
Although it may happen (because it’s baseball), there is no way a solid argument can be made that Braves are the fourth best team in the NL East.
January 2nd, 20122:49 pm
If all the dominoes fall the right way we can win the division.
January 2nd, 20122:50 pm
With our division, any team hitting the 90+ win mark will more than deserve it. It will be a hard fought 90+ wins by any team including the phils.
January 2nd, 20122:51 pm
Still hope Wren signs Wilson Betemit tho to replace Conrad.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 2nd, 20123:02 pm
Bourne’s gonna get traded before the All-Star break. As will Jurrjens, barring further injury.
January 2nd, 20123:06 pm
Why would the Yankees have interest in Edwin Jackson after giving Burnett so much? I guess they really want to hold onto their prospects. They definitely need another starter – Sabathia, Nova, Burnett, Hughes and Garcia ain’t gonna cut it, imo.
January 2nd, 20123:08 pm
Why would we trade Michael Bourn before the All-Star break? Will we be 8-10 games out of the Wild Card?
January 2nd, 20123:12 pm
@efrim,, I saw that too. Some comments just don’t deserve a response.
January 2nd, 20123:15 pm
“That was an hour ago, Trey”
Ya think, JD? He said he stays up until 6:00.
January 2nd, 20123:17 pm
Careful, Efrim. You’re just this far away from being blog-dominated.
January 2nd, 20123:36 pm
scoots, that was some comment he made….
..I guess we should all be hoping Eduardo Escobar is this teams SS of the future?
January 2nd, 20123:41 pm
Trade Bourne at the break? Who would play center then?
He will be here all year amd walk away at the end of the seaosn. We will take the draft pick.
January 2nd, 20123:42 pm
Jeeez. Nice typing Mitch….
Company Line- Take One……
January 2nd, 20123:45 pm
On rival divisional teams upgrading; most recently Washington signing Fielder:
Frank Wren: “We have all the pieces to compete with anybody. We love the direction we’re heading for this season and beyond. We’re looking forward to Heyward and Prado bouncing back like we think they can, for Freeman to keep developing and guys like Chipper, McCann and Uggla to once again carry the load. Then you have a young guy like Pastornicky who we see as our opening day shortstop and we feel he can be an All Star one day. We’re excited. And that’s not even taking into account the pitching we have. Top to bottom it is so full of potential. Again, we’re excited”.
January 2nd, 20123:46 pm
it is not a bad idea to bunt when the leadoff hitter reaches base. Of course you actually have to have people who know how to bunt for it to be effective. If Bourn reaches, the #2 hitter should do everything to get Bourn into scoring position for CHipper, McCann and Uggla. Whether that is to take a pitch or swing at a bad one for Bourn to steal, bunt bourn over, hit and run, it doesn’t matter – get him in scoring position
January 2nd, 20123:51 pm
Company…. the Nat’s have not signed Fielder. It is reported they are the front runners but they have yet to sign him.
January 2nd, 20123:53 pm
Boras being Boras. He always talks about how there are so many teams interested in his clients. It will be Fielder until he signs and then there will be a dozen teams according to Boras that are interested in Madson.
Company Line- Take Two……
January 2nd, 20123:54 pm
On such a slow offseason for Braves:
Frank Wren: “It was slow for lots of teams just in general. For whatever reason, the market just didn’t develop and we were one of the teams it just didn’t happen for. We think y trading Lowe it opens a spot for one of our top pitching prospects to get his turn, whether that be a guy like Teheran or somebody else. That in and of itself is really exciting for us.
No takers for Jurrjens and, or Prado:
Frank Wren: “I think this got blown out of proportion by the media and the internet. Were we listening? Sure we were. You have to listen. But in the end, we just didn’t find a match for what we feel certain guys are worth. We’re excited to begin the season with not only both of those guys, but all of our guys”.
Company Line- Take Three……
January 2nd, 20124:03 pm
How will Chipper:
Frank Wren: “We have to be willing to give Chipper his days of rest. This is why we are so fortunate for a guy like Prado who can fill in when needed and also for guys like Matty Diaz and Hinske to take over in the outfield and produce solid numbers and play good defense. We brought Matty back because he can hit RHP so well and he is a valuable piece to have for us. Hinske is also a professional hitter. We’re excited…cough so is my bank account COUGH
January 2nd, 20124:08 pm
“Why would we trade Michael Bourn before the All-Star break? Will we be 8-10 games out of the Wild Card?”
With the Braves suspect pitching staff and how much improved the rest of the division is (along with the other contenders), that wouldn’t be that surprising.
January 2nd, 20124:16 pm
I see the trolls are out and looks like school has not started back yet. Braves bashing is back
January 2nd, 20124:20 pm
The future is bright but I just don’t see how we compete with a sub-120MM payroll in this day and age.
January 2nd, 20124:23 pm
Ask Tampa Bay.
January 2nd, 20124:24 pm
The only trolls I see are the blind homers.
Last year is last year. It doesn’t how many games the Marlins and Nationals were behind in 2011, everyone starts 0-0 to begin the season. I guess someone should’ve told Arizona about how many games they finished out in 2010, so they’d know they have no possible chance of competing in 2011.
@Count, ask the Cardinals, Rays, Rangers and many others how they do it under 120m
January 2nd, 20124:33 pm
And that is why they don’t play the games on a computer or paper. They play the games on the field and not one person, including the Pope, knows which team will do what until after the last pitch is thrown in each game. Fans who try to predict the outcome of players, games, teams, as if they really know it to be fact, are comical. It will be what it will be and not one fan can change that.
January 2nd, 20124:36 pm
There are people that will think Atlanta will win regardless. But I don’t see Florida as that much better than they were last year. Reyes is nice as well as Buerhle and Bell but these guys aren’t going to majically make FL a WS contender.
Buerhle eats innings but has always been a very hittable pitcher and has led the AL in hits allowed 4 of the last 7 years. Hasn’t had an ERA under 3.5 since 2005. Bell struggles away from Petco so who knows exactly how much of an upgrade he will be. Reyes is a gamer but struggles to stay healthy. He makes the biggest impact out of the 3 but he has to remain on the field to be a factor.
The Nationals are getting better but w/ out Fielder they aren’t quite as good as ATL. Now if they add Fielder they can quickly become a very dangerous team in the division but they get no credit for him until he signs. Right now I still see ATL as the second best team in the division w/ Washington and Florida on the rise.
January 2nd, 20124:37 pm
Last year is last year. It doesn’t how many games the Marlins and Nationals were behind in 2011, everyone starts 0-0 to begin the season.
If last year is last year, why are guys such as you so adamant in looking at next year’s Braves as last year’s team?
(Actually, I know why, but there’s no reason to bore the forum with the actual psychology behind the esteem issues so painfully on display so oh-so-painfully often, here.)
January 2nd, 20124:48 pm
it is not a bad idea to bunt when the leadoff hitter reaches base.
You’re right, it’s not a bad idea. It’s a terrible idea, LOL. 99% of the time, anyway. Higher probability of scoring runs with a man at 1B and nobody out, than with a man at 2B and 1 out.
You want to take a pitch and attempt a steal, that’s one thing (though I’m not at all thrilled with that idea, either). But giving up outs, especially early-game, and especially-especially with nobody out, well, that’s how you kill rallies, not start them.
January 2nd, 20124:52 pm
I don’t agree with that at all. There are times to advance the leadoff runner of an inning. I wouldn’t do it in the first inning but as the game advances the score dictates the way you play. When your playing for one run late in a game its a good way to go. Advancing your leadoff runner into scoring position through bunt is never a bad thing. Even if its an out its productive. Much better than your 2nd better sriking out or rolling you up into a double play. I don’t agree w/ doing it everytime a leadoff reaches but the situation that the game is in dictates what you do.
January 2nd, 20124:53 pm
And Ga.’s FG kicker misses a wedge shot to further extend the meaningless restaurant bowl………..
January 2nd, 20124:54 pm
Wide right — it felt like watching FSU in the ’90s.
There are times to advance the leadoff runner of an inning.
That’s why I said “99%”. When one run can force a conclusion, I got no problem with it. Depending on hitter, pitcher, inning, road or home, and like that.
January 2nd, 20124:56 pm
Good grief, UGA.
January 2nd, 20124:57 pm
-Talk about Reyes needing to stay healthy, talk about Heyward, Chipper, Prado needing to stay healthy.
-Talk about Johnson needing to stay healthy, talk about Hanson, Hudson, Jurrjens needing to stay healthy.
The Braves have about as many questions as the Marlins do.
January 2nd, 20125:05 pm
I thought UGA was eliminated after losing to LSU?
January 2nd, 20125:15 pm
Well, they deserved that.
January 2nd, 20125:22 pm
I am glad Marlins and Nats are no longer the easy, greasy doormats in the East. I want them to play tough against each other, the Mets and the Phillies. The Braves have a history of not playing their best baseball against weak teams and seem to rise up and play better against better competition.
January 2nd, 20125:23 pm
Hello everyone! Wow- why the hell do you even come on? We don’t care about your pointless comments.So take your comments,and Shove It…………
January 2nd, 20125:34 pm
I was reading a report on Louis Durango. He could be a fit for the Braves if you want some one to get on base? He can bunt,and do the little things to get on. He he aslo can get on base,so Wren could go with him battling it out with Constanza,and if he wins the job Durango could be the LF.He has sonme pretty good speed too.
January 2nd, 20125:36 pm
Based on everything now. I just think we will see a SS signing.
January 2nd, 20125:39 pm
It is so sad that. Happened to the Porter family. I just saw fox 5 and all the news. Was sad and pitiful
January 2nd, 20125:45 pm
Should be interesting to see what happens w/ the Yankees and that Japanese SS. If they sign him it opens up the door for them to move Nunez. If he becomes available I expect the Braves to revisit the issue. May be why they’ve been holding out so long on a back up SS. Acquiring Nunez may remove the need to sign one.
January 2nd, 20125:48 pm
P’cola Brave-I see Bourn a Brave for a long time. Bourn will sign just like Uggla,and will stay. I’ll be very surprised if Bourn isn’t a Brave? All this talk about Bourn not being a Brave is speculation.Just don’t see Wren pulling another Tex deal.
“N8…your Chiefs have not been in any conservation since Len Dawson won the super bowl in 1970…I think……so I would not bet any money on that…what even is more shameful they are in a powder puff division…” Lee
Agree and disagree. One dropped Kimbel Anders EASY touchdown pass from Joe Montana and the Chiefs are in the Superbowl in 93. So they were in the conversation as recently as then.
Besides, my “conversation” was about best LB crew. Which they WILL be in the conversation next year. Doesn’t mean it will translate into more wins or a SB birth. But argue all you want. You’ll be wrong.
As for the division? Really? Three 8-8 teams and a 7-9 team? Combined record of division 31-33.
Other divisions combined records:
NFC EAST: 30-34
NFC NORTH: 36-28
NFC SOUTH: 33-31
NFC WEST: 30-34
AFC EAST: 33-31
AFC NORTH: 37-27
AFC SOUTH: 26-38
Seems to me the competition is about on par with every other division. In fact if you take the 25-27 record of the 3 teams that DIDN’T win the AFC WEST it’s a better record than any of the other bottom 3 teams in every other division other than the AFC North. So one could argue it was one of the toughest divisions to win. No pushover teams anywhere in that division.
No Colts. No Browns. No Rams. No Bucs. No Redskins. No Vikings.
Not one single horrible team in that division. Every other division had at least one team with 5 or fewer wins.
January 2nd, 20125:51 pm
Bourn wasn’t another Tex trade. Didn’t give up near the prospects. Right now I don’t see him back. Boras will market him out of our price range. If Bourn doesn’t reach an extension before the arbitration hearing he will not return in 2013.
Anyone watching the Rose Bowl? “Go!!!!!!Wisconsin!!!!!!!!”Good game going on…….
January 2nd, 20125:53 pm
P’cola Brave just don’t see Bourn going anywhere,unless Wren, wants to see less fans in the seats.
January 2nd, 20125:54 pm
First Bourn, will have to have a good year,and all speculation,as far as I can see.
January 2nd, 20125:56 pm
I’m not sure how to contact you outside of Twitter, and I don’t have an account…So I’m not sure this will get to you or not…But I’ve got a question: I read an article (I believe from you) this offseason saying Frank Wren said he’s looking for a right handed power bat and a backup shortstop. I saw that Carlos Quentin was traded yesterday for a few propsects who supposedly don’t have much upside. If Quentin is an affordable right handed outfield bat, and if he was traded for almost nothing, why didn’t the Braves go after him? Which prospects would you compare the Padres guys to in our system? I don’t think I’ve ever written a comment to just complain about the Braves, but what happened here? Is Frank Wren just giving up on this season and gearing up for next year? Is he just hoping that every player who struggled (which seemed to be almost everyone) will rebound? What is going on here?
January 2nd, 20125:57 pm
Ward, do you know who Scott Boras is?
Bourne is GONE.
January 2nd, 20125:58 pm
Oh yeah I forgot about that Nunez dude. He does seem like a fit for us I reckon. Would love to get Swisher in a deal too, but $$$ would obviously be the problem.
January 2nd, 20125:59 pm
Basically,Carlos Quentin doesn’t fit the mold that Wren,and Fredi are looking for.
January 2nd, 20126:00 pm
“unless Wren wants to see less fans in the seats”
Yes I dop know who Boras is,and all speculation on Bourn………….
January 2nd, 20126:01 pm
Whether Bourn is here won’t have a dramatic change in attendance. Every year people say he needs to make a big move and people will show up. Not true. There may be a few more people there at the beginning of the year but Atlanta doesn’t pack it out like other people. Probably more so because the city is full of people who aren’t from the area and already have teams they follow. Even with the playoff races we’ve had the last few years people don’t show up.
Bourn is nice but in all honesty he was very average with us during the time he was here last year. If that continues he won’t be worth the money he will be commanding on the open market. Bourn will be turning 30 in 2013 so giving a long term contract to a guy whose whole game relies on his legs is risky. There are plenty of other options in the OF next year.
January 2nd, 20126:02 pm
Did Bourn come out,and say anything? Until he does,it’s all speculation.
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