10:10 pm December 19, 2011, by David O'Brien
January 1st, 20124:34 pm
If the ChiSox are trying to unload players and biuld the farm system, would Wren consider a trade for Alexi Rameriz?
VaBravesFan – I’m baffled there too?I think J.J. will be traded,but wonder who will be on the bench?Three spots left……..
bench guys and supplementary players can be picked up at most any time which is another possible reason for nothing happening yet.
Hey if Wren had found a deal that he liked it would most likely be done already cause his history if one of quick actions. I sure don’t want him giving players away unless it improves the team, so I really have no trouble so far.
January 1st, 20124:37 pm
How long does it take to figure out a bench? Come on???????
January 1st, 20124:38 pm
I agree about the change of tenor, nolie. That is also baffling. One has to question what happened after Shuerholtz sent out the letter and Wren gave his initial post-season interview to make them backtrack on their statements. I mean, really, all they’ve done is dump salary. While you can rightfully argue that they made the team better by getting rid of substandard performers, the team is left with a whole lot of questions and sorely lacking depth.
January 1st, 20124:39 pm
Jurrjens wont be traded, just dont see a team making a good enough offer. Only if someone losses a top starter in spring training do I see them making a better offer for Jurrjens. But with Huddy and Hanson having injury concerns its gonna be hard to pull the trigger on a trade.
Our bench really on has 2 spots set in stone IMO. Ross and Hinkse, with Diaz/Constanza prolly having to earn a job and Hicks and Sutton as well. Thats why I really think we need to add a solid backup.
January 1st, 20124:41 pm
J.J. Has been brought up over,and over. He’ll be traded…….Just disagree on this one,but been wrong before…….
figuring out the bench is what you do last ward so that you have as much flexibility as possible in case some deal does arise that you like.
January 1st, 20124:42 pm
So far nothing, so yeah, it’s baffling.
I don’t really believe every word our GM says. TenneseePaul has also referenced the comments he made a couple days(or less) after the reg. season ended. I never really expected all of it to come true, I guess.
January 1st, 20124:43 pm
nolie- I see what you mean.
ward the fact that a player is brought up regularly on baseball boards really has very little bearing on whether he will be traded since they have nothing to do with what the team is actually thinking, they are just speculations 98% of the time
January 1st, 20124:44 pm
Agreed on the chase question. But there needs to be a lot more clarification on the inner city high speed pursuits. That officer will probably have a tough time with what has happened.
Sounded like the officer was trying to join up with an existing chase on a nearby freeway. We need to know the situation of that chase.
J.J. Has been brought up over,and over. He’ll be traded…….
Chances are getting slim. Wren’s going to now have to wait for Garza to get traded and then are some free agents out there that teams may have interest in: Kuroda, Jackson, Oswalt, Saunders. And does Wren want a major league piece back for Jurrjens? Awfully tough to get that from the teams rumored.
January 1st, 20124:46 pm
Excuse my ignorance, but who does Detroit have, at any level, that would interest the Braves? Serious question. Not being a smart Ar$$e
Efrim-J.J. will be traded within a couple of months?
the Braves have a rep as being spin masters, so I believe what I see. Was the Prado/JJ news a leak or was it floated by Wren to make the fans feel that they were trying more than they really are? It’s all interesting, but to take any of it as definitive is a mistake IMO
January 1st, 20124:48 pm
I also don’t think JJ will get traded. Seems like every day another team is putting a SP out there to be traded.
January 1st, 20124:49 pm
Webster- Go to SI,and read that article on J.J. Just speculation from some the writer,but interesting thought……
sure Wayne there needs to be guidelines. If he was not actually involved in the chase, there is no real excuse for what happened IMO
Regarding the Garza trade, if Jacob Turner is on the table from Detroit, I can’t imagine many other teams will be able to beat that one prospect. He’s got great potential.
January 1st, 20124:51 pm
yeah he does Efrim, but so far at least he has probably not produced as well as was hoped. not that he has been terrible or anything, but I wonder if they are not a bit disappointed by the ERA so far
January 1st, 20124:52 pm
Here’s an article from the UK about the accident. Apparently, there’s now a question about whether the trooper had his siren on.
January 1st, 20124:55 pm
Well, guy’s talk later tonight after the game. Giants are playing Dallas tonight. I’m going down with the G- Men. No matter what? All out on the field tonight. Peace……….
January 1st, 20124:56 pm
Yeah nolie, I’ve seen some reports that Turner is more of a 2/3 than a #1 starter. Still super valuable, but it does raise some questions that they are willing to deal him….if you believe those reports.
See ya later, Ward. Peace.
January 1st, 20124:58 pm
In other news, the Falcons are off to a smokin’ start today leading 21-0 in the First Quarter and about to score again. They seem to be peaking at just the right time and everyone is playing good right now especially Julio Jones.
The Lions (despite another great effort by Matthew Stafford) lost today, which means the Falcons don’t have to play New Orleans in the first round, but either Dallas or the Giants, which is another good thing.
My only complaint is with Fox, why didn’t they show us the last few minutes of the Detroit-GB game, at least via split screen? Very shoddy on their part. BTW the back-up Green Bay QB, Matt Flynn, set several team records today for passing, how’s that for a scrub?
January 1st, 20125:01 pm
You do realize that if the Falcons win (yes, they should- tampa is a terrible team, but officially they will not be the #5 seed until the game is over ) and if both they and New Orleans win next week, the Falcons would have to go to Green Bay for the Divisional game, right?
January 1st, 20125:07 pm
oh who cares?????????????
35-0 Falcons. Blow out.
January 1st, 20125:08 pm
cab: Yes, but it’s pick your poison if we get that far, I don’t see much difference in NO and GB at this point, they are both outstanding teams. As I said, the Falcons are peaking at the right time, so at least we might have a chance. This time last year, we were the #1 seed and GB was at the bottom…look how that turned out.
BTW props to your Niners, they have had a great season.
I love DOB’s work on the AJC site but he’s got the easiest job in the country this winter. Frank Wren and the Braves are fast asleep.
January 1st, 20125:11 pm
Navorro Bowman finishes with 144 tackles, 2 sacks, 3 fumble recoveries and tons of passes defended. I’d say there is only one team with a better linebacking core than the Niners(Texans), and it’s really close.
January 1st, 20125:13 pm
nolie: because some of us might be tired of all of the SOS about what the Braves have or have not done? We’ve been talking about the same sh!t since the season ended and ST is 6 weeks away.
January 1st, 20125:14 pm
Enter your comments here
January 1st, 20125:16 pm
so go to a football board.
actually I an just kidding Ken. Periodically i have to voice my disdain for pointyball and bouncyball, it is a required part of being the blog grouch
January 1st, 20125:19 pm
I knew that, nolie, and expected nothing less. Happy New Year to you, sir.
January 1st, 20125:20 pm
HNY right back atcha sir
Mark My Word
I don’t know, I think Frank Wren is taking a huge gamble on the blind homerism of the Atlanta fans. This thing could blow up in his face. There’ll be a whole lot more empty seats at the Ted if Pastornicky doesn’t work out and Heyward can’t fix his swing… He’s going to find out quick folks around here don’t like being lied to.
January 1st, 20125:22 pm
Also, I try to preface my off topic comments with “in other news”, which is an invitation to hit the scroll button. (I don’t know how to do the other smilies, darn it)
January 1st, 20125:36 pm
Well, ken, some of us might hate football and be tired of football related comments. The freedom to scroll is the beauty of this blog.
January 1st, 20125:40 pm
January 1st, 20125:45 pm
nolie: Thank You!!
January 1st, 20125:46 pm
Of course when doing smilies, you don’t have to put the nose. Just a : and a ) would suffice, ken.
January 1st, 20125:58 pm
Wren’s comments at the end of the season and the Scheurholz letter spoke of frustration and maybe some damage control.
I generally agree that the Braves, as constructed, are a pretty good baseball team. I expected them to compete last year, and they did for most of it.
September was a shocker, in the sense that you could see that nothing was working. These things happen occasionally. I remember the Braves 0-fer-June in their last losing season. Plus, 2010’s long losing streak in June.
Certainly, you don’t want the Braves to do something that makes the team worse.
However, the Braves run the risk, if they get off to a slow start, that attendance and other revenues may drop. They may have been wise to go $5M over payroll to avoid losing $10M in attendance.
Although I’m following the Braves closely in the off season, I’m certainly considering skipping the first half of the regular season’s MLB package in favor of just the MLB app on my phone.
January 1st, 20126:05 pm
However, the Braves run the risk, if they get off to a slow start, that attendance and other revenues may drop. They may have been wise to go $5M over payroll to avoid losing $10M in attendance.
they run that risk with a slow start every year another 5 mil over would have guaranteed nothing
January 1st, 20126:09 pm
anyway the truth is that it IS still early as far as possible trades are concerned, which have always been more likely than significant free agent signings
January 1st, 20126:13 pm
Coming out of left field…
Seth Smith was a backup QB at Ole Miss. Eli Manning was the starter.
…Seth didn’t like the prospects.
January 1st, 20126:25 pm
AJC @ajc 22m
Sad. Here is the AJC guest book for Kathy Porter, wife of Braves trainer Jeff Porter. bit.ly/u6w2Dh
January 1st, 20126:26 pm
Sorry, that didn’t work.
Here is the link to the guest book if you’d like to sign it.
January 1st, 20126:28 pm
OK, I just drank some kool aid, how about this: JJ to Rockies, Smith, Wheeler and pitcher to Pirates, McCutchen to us.
January 1st, 20126:46 pm
My family and I heard the sad news about Mrs. Porter this morning, a few hours before they set off home to Woodstock from FL. I sure have sent a few prayers heavenward today for the Porters and everyone travelling this holiday season.
Poor Bubba and his son. I’m waiting to hear how seriously they are hurt. Has anyone heard about the severity of their injuries?
He sure is not going to be able to continue the level of work with the team he has performed in the past. Does he have any other children living at home?
January 1st, 20126:56 pm
Choppinmama, I read at the Braves site that Jeff and his son were treated and released. Dr. Joe Chandler, the Braves’ physician, spent the night with them at their home last night. Here’s a link to the article.
January 1st, 20127:04 pm
Brava: Thank you for the links to this very sad story in the New Year. The AJC does not have a lot of those details, at least as of now.
January 1st, 20127:10 pm
You’re welcome, ken.
January 1st, 20127:14 pm
Thoughts and prayers for the Porter family as they deal with their tragic loss.
Lee in S GA
January 1st, 20127:22 pm
kenhotlanta…The Falcons do look good today but I see the Packer facing the Patriots in the Super Bowl when the dust settles…but we aLL anything can happen in the playoffs not matter what the sports is…
January 1st, 20127:33 pm
I hope they caught the A-hole on the motorcycle! To me, he is the most culpable for these unfortunate series of events.
January 1st, 20127:36 pm
Brava many thanks to the link also ..I signed it….this sad story really made me think and appreciate my family more than ever today
January 1st, 20127:48 pm
You’re welcome, Lee. It does make you realize how suddenly those you love can be taken from you. Very sobering.
Here’s the latest story with a witness account.
January 1st, 20127:57 pm
Lee in S GA:
I agree, although I think it will be the Patriots vs. Green Bay or New Orleans in the Super Bowl.
I do think the Birds made progress this year, I believe Julio Jones is going to be all-pro, even though I wanted AJ Green before him.
January 1st, 20128:06 pm
ken, if the NFL championship is between the Packers and the Saints I expect it to be like the “Epic” 1982 game between the Dolphins and the Chargers…if you are old enough to remember that game…but you better believe I will be pulling for the Falcons to make it all the way
January 1st, 20128:09 pm
Guess it was a fluke that Fredi overused OVentbrel.
Brava – thanks for the link. This is just a stunning situation. Here they set out on the last day of 2011 to go watch a football game, and only three of them make it to 2012. Poor poor Bubba.
January 1st, 20128:13 pm
kenhotlanta – I had thought about Jones vs Green earlier today and looked their stats up. Both had very good years and both appear to be headed for the pro bowl this year or in the very near future. Green had slightly better numbers but not enough to make any difference to me.
January 1st, 20128:30 pm
Good luck, tonight. I’d rather my team face the Cowboys, but I still want the Giants to win (I have many friends that love the Giants, so I hope they make the playoffs).
January 1st, 20128:44 pm
Yes they had very similar seasons, and Julio was hurt for awhile, but has really come on the past 3 weeks and had another great game today.
AJ did make the pro bowl and I wanted him for the Falcons just because he was from UGA, nothing against Julio, I’m happy for both.
kenhot – you drank more than Kool Aid if you think the Pirates will trade McCutchen for that return. The Braves would have to give up at least MInor or Beachy, Teheran or Delgado, and Bethancourt or Simmons/Pastornicky
January 1st, 20128:46 pm
my condolences to the porter family. such a tragic thing…dang that sucks.
January 1st, 20128:47 pm
Something we all should learn and take into the new year.. not to ever take for granted the moments we have with loved ones. My thoughts are with the Porters and their friends and family.
January 1st, 20128:50 pm
OMG, MARK DeROSA comes back east.
January 1st, 20128:52 pm
abwright However, the Braves run the risk, if they get off to a slow start, that attendance and other revenues may drop. They may have been wise to go $5M over payroll to avoid losing $10M in attendance.
i dont think that necesarily true. i was in atlanta this weekend and talked to several people who asked me (knowing how closley i follow the team) so, what are the braves doing? any trades? what are we going to have this coming year?
they had no idea that nothing had been going on. they didnt even know derek lowe had been traded. they were really happy about that. these are people that go to alot of games.
the thing is, i dont think this team is any worse. there is no greater chance they get off to a bad start than there was last year. and even if they do, i wonder if attendance will really be affected all that much. i think they would have to be terrible for months for it to start affecting the fans. just my opinion.
ill add, that i think wren needs to get some work done. its not early in the offseason anymore. but, we arent worse, thats for sure.
January 1st, 20128:53 pm
Kenhotlanta – sorry I didn’t know AJ had made the Pro Bowl, but I’m not an avid NFL watcher like MLB.
I don’t get to see the Falcons but a couple of times a year living in the Miami market. I was very impressed with Jones speed, strength and aggressive play. It looks like they’ll (Jones & Green) be competing with each other for 10 or 12 years.
January 1st, 20128:55 pm
So sorry to hear of KATHY’s PORTER’s untimely death. No words……….just sorrow.
January 1st, 20128:56 pm
OMG, MARK DeROSA comes back east.
Richbrave and hopefully without baring part of the title of the 3rd Die Hard movie
January 1st, 20129:01 pm
Our defense at Shortstop is gonna be worse for sure. Without making any rosters moves were totally banking on everyone to bounce back or stay healthy. Were replacing SeaBass/Jack Wilson/Brooks Conrad with Pastornicky/Hicks/Sutton. Also I’m not confident in Diaz/Constanza. If Chipper misses more time than expected, LF will be a huge hole. Then we have health concerns with our top 3 pitchers. Still have to worry about Fredi and his bullpen usage. Hopefully he will use Vizciano in some high leverage situations to take the load off OVentbrel.
January 1st, 20129:02 pm
I know the BRAVES will not do the TEIXEIRA deal all over again. For one thing, McCUTCHEON is no TEIXEIRA. No, FW is right to keep his powder dry without a deal that benefits the BRAVES with at least equal talent to that traded.
And horror, ANDRUW JONES doesn’t.
January 1st, 20129:06 pm
richbrave, I know what you’re saying, it’s the truth. I know fans that have no interest in all the offseason chatter that goes on. I used to not be as interested,only when something might’ve happend, but not with the internet and this blog I’m way more into it.
January 1st, 20129:08 pm
McCutchen would be worth it. He’s controllable til 2016. Talking about a All Around Player who will win a MVP award someday. Defense/Speed/Power the whole package.
I mean DAP. Not richbrave. My bad.
January 1st, 20129:11 pm
1B MATT KENELLY [.278 BA] 1-4, 1 BB, 1 SB , 1 E [6, fielding].
No other games scheduled.
This abbreviated venue brought to BRAVES fans courtesy of my old bud’ TOM O’HAWKE.
January 1st, 20129:12 pm
Phil Rogers On Baseball
One year. One measly year.
That’s all the time left before the three-player crash that proves once and for all how broken the Hall of Fame voting process has become.
Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Sammy Sosa are due on the Hall ballot for the first time next December. Barring direction from the Hall of Fame’s board of directors, 580-plus voting members of the Baseball Writers Association of America again will be left to determine how to handle the legacies of players implicated in the use of performance-enhancing drugs.
Was it OK to get some chemical help because so many players were doing it? Or does being a steroid guy disqualify you from membership, as voters are asked to consider the “integrity, sportsmanship, character” of candidates?
My take on the brokenness of the process is this: 581 voters, 581 standards.
It’s ridiculous to expect me and the other 580 who voted a year ago to sort this out. Many of my brethren disagree, but we hardly have the information we need for these calls. We don’t know who did and who did not use steroids, and we never will.
All we know is which guys have been implicated publicly, through positive tests (Manny Ramirez and Rafael Palmeiro), the Mitchell Report (Clemens) and reporting (Bonds, Mark McGwire). Then there are guys like Alex Rodriguez, David Ortiz and Sosa, who are reported to have tested positive in 2003 survey testing, which was done under a since-violated guarantee of anonymity.
The whole thing is beyond a slippery slope. It’s an icy crevasse.
The one thing that is clear is that players with any link to performance-enhancing drugs aren’t currently welcome in Cooperstown. McGwire, the test case, has been on the ballot five years, never has received more than 23.7 percent of the vote and received 13 fewer votes in 2011 than in 2010.
While Jeff Bagwell never was linked to steroid use, he improved his body taking androstenedione when it was sold off the shelves at GNC and told ESPN in 2010 that he had “no problem” with a player juicing up. He received 41.7 percent as a first-timer and returns for his second year on the ballot in the voting that ends Sunday and will be released Jan. 9.
It’s impossible to know if that 42 percent rating is a reflection on his play — he’s a Hall of Famer in my book — or if he’s considered a steroid user, even if his only real tie is to androstenedione when it was sold over the counter.
My interpretation says guys who took advantage of baseball’s lack of testing to do as they pleased — Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Clemens, Rodriguez and Palmeiro, among others — disqualified themselves for the Hall because integrity is among the listed factors for voting. But I need some evidence. I don’t believe I can eliminate every brawny player on suspicion alone.
If the New York Times had not reported Sosa was on the list of 104 players testing positive in 2003, I would have felt I had to vote for him even though he seemed as complicit as Bonds and McGwire. There has to be some standard of fairness, even if it allows a good cheat to beat the system.
Rather than reward some cheaters and sanction others, you can say — as ESPN’s Buster Olney does — players should be judged only by what they have done on the field. But I can’t get there in my thinking when voting rules cite “integrity, sportsmanship, character …”
Jane Forbes Clark, chairman of the Hall’s board, needs to take some ownership of the issue. The BBWAA serves at the Hall’s discretion. There has been discussion at recent BBWAA meetings about seeking clarification from the Hall, but a vote asking for help was rejected in 2010. That doesn’t mean voters don’t need help; it means many aren’t humble enough to ask for it.
Jeff Idelson, president of the Hall, cites the BBWAA’s stance in explaining why the Hall hasn’t entered the discussion.
“The Hall of Fame has always been an open book with the BBWAA,” Idelson said. “Always willing to listen to the concerns the BBWAA has, always willing to discuss them. At this point in time, we have great faith in the organization to continue voting with the integrity it has since 1936.”
Trouble is, it’s not the voters’ integrity that is in question. It’s the perceived integrity of the candidates, and everyone has a different take on that. This is the last chance for the Hall to get in front of the argument, and there’s no indication it feels the need.
Where’s the love:
For whatever reason, the Hall of Fame voting has become an annual beatdown for shortstop Alan Trammell. There’s no explaining why he is dismissed by three out of every four voters, as he not only compares nicely with Barry Larkin, who could be elected this year, but also with Ozzie Smith, who was a first-ballot choice in 2002, when Trammell got 16 percent of the vote.
January 1st, 20129:13 pm
No, he isn’t so there!
January 1st, 20129:15 pm
Thanx ChBF. I was scratching my head [dandruff] more than the usual there for a minute.
My wife is blasting the show mob wives. There’s nothing else on,chick?
January 1st, 20129:16 pm
Why dont you like Andrew McCutchen?
January 1st, 20129:17 pm
I hope Julio and AJ will compete for a long time. I’ll admit I’m a fairweather Falcons fan, only get interested when they make the playoffs…you have to remember they were terrible for about 40 years.
I’m a diehard Georgia Bulldog and live and die with their games, in addition to the Braves.
January 1st, 20129:18 pm
TOM O’HAWKE – Good ‘un.
Loathe is the word.
January 1st, 20129:19 pm
Not really. Just kiddin’
Good article, nolie. Gonna take a break and finish the rest in a few …
January 1st, 20129:21 pm
Been postulating too long on the REDSKINS blogs about their #6 slot in the 2012, and what to do with it. Gotta’ get up a bit and get some circulation in my legs and feet. Doc says too little stimulation, heh!
January 1st, 20129:25 pm
Tynes never misses those…
January 1st, 20129:26 pm
Hope everyone on the blog had an enjoyable New Years. I ended up in Gettysburg, PA… yes very random (traveled down to a college basketball game in Maryland the day before). Had dinner at this nice little Inn and saw a blues band play which was pretty good….Skyla Burrell Band and their drummer Ezell Jones was extremely fun to watch http://www.skylaburrell.com/ . I’m not a huge blues buff but it was a very cool intimate show.
PS: VJ … our Giants are doing well so far tonight… but a lot more football to be played.
January 1st, 20129:29 pm
Is there a Redskins blog like this?
January 1st, 20129:31 pm
richbrave, not that I’m a Redskins fan, but in my opinion they should do whatever they can to draft RG3.
January 1st, 20129:36 pm
I believe if the big 3 of Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa get in, it’s due to on field greatness and not integrity, sportsmanship and character. Therefore Shoeless Joe Jackson, Pete Rose and Mark McGuire should go in with them.
I don’t think you can have it both ways, but it sure is a conundrum, isn’t it?
January 1st, 20129:38 pm
I havent looked into all the top rookie prospects yet. We really need to devote the whole draft on the offensive side of the ball. Gotta land a QB of the future. Need a big true No.1 Receiver as well. I think were set at Running back with Helu/Royster/Hightower, could use some depth on the O-Line.
Jerry Jones reminds me of the bad guy in Raiders of the Lost Ark…
January 1st, 20129:42 pm
1/2 74 outside and I grilled hamburgers and corn for dinner in atlanta wearing shorts and a T-Shirt- where I’m going tomorrow looks like the windchill was -11.
Somebody remind me WTH do I go skiing?
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