10:10 pm December 19, 2011, by David O'Brien
December 31st, 20112:09 pm
Joebrave.. you are thinking of Brooks Robinson at 3b.. Frank was an OF, and his numbers are among the best
my bad first base on Robinson
December 31st, 20112:10 pm
You kidding me that Frank couldn’t come up with a deal to match that?
December 31st, 20112:11 pm
Ray, I will take Musial’s 1948 season over any of them
Not very much Joe. He played 3 years with Gehrig in the beginning, and he played 1 year with Mantle at the end of his career.
Plus he missed 3 years during WWII. And still had a career OPS of .977.
I’d say he was the big cheese most of his career. He was a bridge guy between the Gas House Gang and the Mantle era.
Ds1 yup, Ray or I can go with George Foster’s 1977 season
Frank Robinson 294 avg 389obp 537slg 926ops 586HR”s 1812rbi and oh yea the ONLY player to win MVP in both leagues
December 31st, 20112:12 pm
nor A-Roid on my team………..
I’m sure he could have if the team was interested. They were not.
Nahh I will stick with the Man.
December 31st, 20112:14 pm
JoeBrave,, yea Stan the Man and F Robinson are probably the 2 most overlooked of the greatest players. They both let their numbers speak for themselves. Another player on the modern era Eddie Murray..
Or an OF of Ruth, Mays and Dimaggio, or Mantle,Mays and AAron, or Aaron, Mays Robnson, I’d be happy if the current Braves achieve 60% of that! …:)
DiMaggio had better career numbers than Frank Robinson. Frank hung on a bit too long.
December 31st, 20112:15 pm
for that matter Aaron, Garr, and Jim Rice…. nice outfields there
December 31st, 20112:16 pm
Joe D was great too DS.. not taking anything away from him. My only point was two players that have a tendency to get overlooked when great players are mentioned are Robinson and Musial
man I miss the old days, real baseball, and no horsecrap, you throw at my guy I am beaning yours, you do it again, clear the benches!
December 31st, 20112:17 pm
In the same sentence with Rice and Aaron?
Might want to rethink that one Joe. Ralph only had 2 seasons with OPS over 800.
December 31st, 20112:18 pm
CF Raplh Garr, or Bourn? Garr or Bourjos, Garr or Granderson, Garr or ??? current crop I am taking Garr
Defense Wayne, is why i mention Garr.
oh and there was this guy who played RF for the Padres that was a decent hitter.. I think his last name was Gwynn. Brett, Carew, Boggs,, all pretty decent hitters
December 31st, 20112:19 pm
How bout Roberto Clemente….I’d take him too
Brett was good nice one there.
December 31st, 20112:20 pm
I remember when Atlanta tried to trade junk to red Sox for Mike Greenwell.
December 31st, 20112:21 pm
Castro, a 23-year-old right-hander, was ranked as the Padres third best prospect at this time last year by Baseball America. Neither he nor Hernandez, a 22-year-old lefty, made the top ten this year, though.
Wow….Padres are a definite team to make a deal soon.
They now have Carlos Quentin, Cameron Maybin, Kyle Blanks, Will Venable and Yonder Alonso for the OF. 1B is Jesus Guzman and Anthony Rizzo. (Alonso and Blanks could play 1B as well)
They HAVE to make a deal to alleviate some of that surplus.
I’m a big fan of Chase Headley and Jesus Guzman. Just sayin’….
Musial ranks higher in my book than Frank Robinson. But Musial did a “Chipper” in his last 4-5 years. A lot of seasons where he missed quite a few games and his game dropped off as he got older.
But probably better than DiMaggio in his prime.
December 31st, 20112:22 pm
Gwynn led the league in SB in 87 with 56. That was before he got jiggly
December 31st, 20112:23 pm
how bout Joe Morgan at 2b as well
JoeBrave: I believe the Red Sox offered Greenwell and a host of others for Murphy back in the day.
December 31st, 20112:24 pm
and one more thing about Gwynn,, his worst season in strikeouts, was 40
off here for a while, have a great one.
December 31st, 20112:25 pm
Ray: Gwynn was 2nd that year in SB.
December 31st, 20112:26 pm
TommyP, no Greenwell was not offered Atlanta attempted to send J Royster, Brian Asselstine, and Tommy Boggs for Greenwell to pair with Murph.
December 31st, 20112:27 pm
Players we need are being traded (Quentin) while Frank Wren does nothing.
no assesltine, believe it was Terry harper any how it was one lopsided idea’
December 31st, 20112:28 pm
I’m guessing that Maybin is probably not an option? He has 4 more years of control before free agency.
Rico, why did we need Quentin? check his walk to strikeout ratio, and his OBP. and get back to us.
December 31st, 20112:29 pm
Assenmacher was the other chip, and not Boggs but McMurtry
December 31st, 20112:30 pm
Atlanta has had too many Asses on this team…
December 31st, 20112:31 pm
Carlos Quentin only slugged over 500 once in that bandbox of a stadium in Chicago.
But Maybin would be worth a try. Headley too.
Bobby Cox's Cigar
December 31st, 20112:33 pm
There is Frank and then there is Brooks
December 31st, 20112:37 pm
I am wondering if Kendry Morales will ever return to form after that broken leg back in 2010? He has played a bit of OF. Not sure how well though……….
December 31st, 20112:45 pm
Carlos Quentin for 2 B prospects isnt a bad deal.
Paul molitor would be my DH, had over 3300 hits and 500 steals, hitting machine. if he would have not missed as many games as he did, his overall numbers would have been staggering.
Actually I think it is because they are too cheap to pay his arbitration salary
December 31st, 20112:47 pm
My guess is his injury history and lack of slugging percentage in a hitters park might have made FW a little leary?
But rumor has it that they were interested last summer.
From Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus, via Twitter: Carlos Quentin has hit .245/.336/.479 over the last three years while missing on average 46 games a year. 2008 is ancient history.
December 31st, 20112:49 pm
Braves Homeruns in 2011…
Fab 5 Freddie Has a Sweet As Swing…Which Goes Unnoticed on here
I Miss My BOOM SHOT-LOCK BOOM Posts on here After a Braves Homer!
December 31st, 20112:50 pm
Edgar Martinez has to be in the conversation if we are talking strictly about DH’s.
December 31st, 20112:51 pm
I don’t think anybody here doubts that FF has a sweet swing. And most of us think he has a long future with the Braves.
December 31st, 20112:52 pm
I dont think Quentin would be a upgrade over Prado when you factor in AVG/Health/Defense.
December 31st, 20112:55 pm
People called Me Crazy on here when I was Lusting for McCuthchen 2 years ago…But do you think trading Double J or Big Red for McCutchen can Happen?
I dont wanna See Double J Traded for Slop like Seth Smith…! Thats why I’m Banking on Wren Trading Double J in a Time-Frame from April til July of 12
December 31st, 20112:57 pm
Wilson Betemit makes the most sense for the Braves when all factors are considered. Price would fit, most likely a 1 year deal, and is a Upgrade.
December 31st, 20112:58 pm
“I don’t think anybody here doubts that FF has a sweet swing. And most of us think he has a long future with the Braves.”
Co-Sign…Fab 5 Freddie has a Sweet Swing like LaRoche Did!
They would want
Jurrjens + Teheran + Beachy or Minor + Bethancourt + 1 or 2 more prospects.
December 31st, 20113:04 pm
Co-sign on that 2:57 post
Top 5 Best Presidents
Honorable mentions:Nixon, Johnson, Washington
Top 5 Worst Presidents
2.Warren G. Harding
3. Andrew Johnson
5. James Garfield
Dishonorable mentions:Grant, Carter, Pierce
December 31st, 20113:07 pm
You know whom else would have helped-seriously.
You would like being as god-awful against left handed pitching as a team possibly could be, that your GM would want to fix that? Right?….call me crazy but I think that is logical thinking.
But what do we do? So far nothing obvisouly but the only thing mentioned was him aquiring a freaking left-handed hitter that SUCKS at hitting LHP, which would cause a platoon in the OF of Matt Diaz, who was decent to good like 3-4 years ago but seemed to have all but lost that last season. And the braves are paying him probably around a million?
You telling me that they couldn’t have mustered up another 1 mil to bring in Andruw?
Now I know that Andruw wasn’t available at the trade deadline but he was until 2 days ago and he would have been a significant upgrade.
Also, if then down the road the Braves were to make the moronic moved of aquiring smith from colorado, at least he and an Andruw platoon would give some hope to productivity.
But that’s not going to happen now.
So, as I have said all off season long. I’d rather the Braves just hold onto Martin and Jurrjens
December 31st, 20113:12 pm
not a fillys fan but carlton and schmidt, may not be top 10 but damn good ones. yaz and bench behind the plate along with berra
Patrick- I agree.
Andruw Jones would have been a nice upgrade. Mashes LHP and adds Power. Perfect fit to play LF while Prado is at 3rd.
December 31st, 20113:14 pm
“Check his OBP – JoeBrave”
His OBP was .340, which would have been in the top 4 for this club last year. He’s a big RH’d bat that slg’d .554 vs LH’rs last season. When our division keeps adding LH’rs to their rotations, he would have been a huge acquistion. Trading two B prospects for him would be a hell of a lot better than trading Prado for Smith.
December 31st, 20113:15 pm
Andruw wouldve been a huge upgrade over Diaz also.
Andruw and the Yankees made it pretty clear earlier this year by both saying they wanted him to stay in New York
December 31st, 20113:18 pm
It is so hard to rank the top ten ball players ever. It probably makes sense to split out the pitchers and position palyers. Oh well. here’s my humble attempt at this (not necessarily in this order):
…And with his never to be broken 56 games hitting streak and overall stellar career–Joltin Joe Dimaggio is my first honorable mention candidate. And then Cy Young, Honus Wagoner, and Foxx…
December 31st, 20113:20 pm
Frank W. has it all under control.. step one clean house…. done. step two… wait until other teams are desperate to make a trade…… patience grasshopper….patience
December 31st, 20113:22 pm
Stan the Man and F Robinson are probably the 2 most overlooked of the greatest players
Playing 21 years in St. Louis in the 40’s, 50’s & 60’s for Musial and 16 years in Cincinnati & Baltimore in the 50′, 60’s & 70’s for Robinson didn’t get you very much exposure back then.
Performance enhancer/Roid users should automatically be disqualified from this poll. Mantle and Aaron were childhood heroes…it was hard to leave Mantle out. But the Mick would be in my top 20.
December 31st, 20113:24 pm
Re Dimaggio: 56 game hitting streak? Are you kidding me?
December 31st, 20113:28 pm
Traded for Cano yet? Send them JJ and Conrad, though I’d hate to see gritty Brooks go. Guess for Cano though would be okay … get ‘er done Wren!
December 31st, 20113:32 pm
While I hate that the Flying Biscuit became a chain restaurant, the original location in Candler Park is still strong. Had breakfast there this morning. Their biscuits and grits are mighty fine.
December 31st, 20113:34 pm
Of course, the Braves couldn’t possibly had gone after Carlos Quentin. They’re too busy focused on trading Prado and/or Jurrjens for the great Seth Smith
December 31st, 20113:39 pm
Quentin not a good fit for the braves. His numbers are not impressive and quite frankly, weak.
December 31st, 20113:40 pm
Pittsburgh would not want Jurrjens in any trade for McCutchen. They will want top prospects.
December 31st, 20113:47 pm
Dob, you just made me hungry for some biscuits from flying biscuit! man i love that place.
December 31st, 20113:48 pm
@DS1, you are right, multiple top prospects, like our top 4 or 5. And for that price, not worth it
December 31st, 20113:51 pm
I don’t think the under 40 bloggers understand how limited MLB access was before WTBS. In 1973 Ted Turner, who owned the Braves and WTBS, began to televise Braves games locally on UHF channel 17. Before that I think it was NBC that televised one game a week nationally at 1 pm EST. That meant you never saw a west coast game. I’m not sure how they picked the teams back then but I’m certain that it was like it is now with the Yankees and RedSox getting the most attention. But regardless, Dizzy Dean and Pee Wee Reese were on every Saturday with the only game available all week.
Even after Turner began to broadcast the Braves on Channel 17, they were only able to be seen about 50 or 75 miles depending on the weather. Then Turner had the idea that made the Braves popular Nationally and him a Billionaire. He put the games on satellite and sold them to any cable company around the USA that would take them.
Gradually it built up to the point where everygame was broadcast and people all over the USA are Braves fans because of it. But it sure wasn’t always that way.
December 31st, 20113:52 pm
and Rose who could and would play almost anywhere
Koufax, Maddox, Spahn
December 31st, 20113:56 pm
Plus another point was that the World Series was vastly played in day games before the 70’s. Kids were in school unable to see the most important games of the year.
December 31st, 20114:00 pm
Yeah, im only 24 and when I was like 10 or 11 I started watching the Braves on TBS. Used to imitate the lineup with a vacuum hose as a bat and had a notebook keeping my own box score haha. The old good times. Now hardly get to see em. I get all the Nationals and O’s game here tho.
December 31st, 20114:02 pm
VA, what part of va are you in?
All time fun team:
December 31st, 20114:06 pm
City of Portsmouth, Hampton Roads Area
and please don’t invoke Prado here, .290 13 hr and 65 rbi isn’t good enough for 3b…Joe
you need to take another look at what third basemen are producing lately. that is as good as Chipper did last year and he was in the top 5 in all baseball in most every category
December 31st, 20114:07 pm
fun team: Jimmy Peirsol(can’t spell)
December 31st, 20114:11 pm
December 31st, 20114:12 pm
DiMaggio was a great but how much was he shielded by Mantle and company @JoeBrave
Mantle? are you joking?
December 31st, 20114:16 pm
I’m leaving soon, I’ll try and post from my Cell Phone. But AJC is moderating all of my comments and wont publish them. I’ve sent feedback about this technical issue but still haven’t heard back threw email yet. Starting to piss me off.
December 31st, 20114:18 pm
Stan the Man as the RF? Look at Frank Robinson’s numbers……Ray
I’d take Musial over Robinson every time. Not sure what numbers you are looking at except maybe homers. Musial leads in just about every other category
December 31st, 20114:20 pm
Great year in Braves Country.
2012 promises to be no different.
I bet it will be great and awesome. The past couple years have been so much fun and have ended so well.
December 31st, 20114:22 pm
Mitchell, are you as upbeat and as much fun away from this blog? If so, then you must be, as you put it, “great and awesome” company.
December 31st, 20114:23 pm
this is vabravesfan posting from my cell phone
Joe D 369 career strike outs, 361 career homers
December 31st, 20114:24 pm
What’s up with the NFL?
Aren’t there any games on? I’m stuck out on the left coast board to tears at the moment.
Please don’t make me watch UCLA Illinois.
DOB or Carroll
I just commented from my cell phone and its being moderated, wont publish my comments for prolly past 3 weeks since I got the new phone. Anyway to fix this I would like to participate when I’m not home. Thanks
December 31st, 20114:26 pm
VaBraves, I grew up in Portsmouth, and @nolie, Gwynn only had 434 career strikeouts.
December 31st, 20114:28 pm
and very few homers. c’mon 369 Ks while hitting 361 homers. amazing
December 31st, 20114:29 pm
I’m about as awesome as it gets.
People actually really like me. I don’t know why.
I come from a long line of a-holes. I had no say in the matter.
I’m watching Cupcake Wars.
December 31st, 20114:30 pm
no one on here I don’t think had anything negative to say about Joe D.
VaBravesFan – I’m down is South FL and have been getting the games on Directv for 5 years. It does cost about $210 a year, but they break it down to 6 monthly payments of about $35. I believe Dish Network carries them too, but I hear only good things about Directv and not so much for the Dish Network.
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