10:10 pm December 19, 2011, by David O'Brien
December 22nd, 201111:02 am
The O’s are in trouble lol, The GM said Adam Jones is a guy we want to build around. haha
December 22nd, 201111:09 am
If we’re going to trade one of those guys along with JJ or Prado for a big bat Adam Jones should not be that big bat!!! I think most people realize what it might take to get a BIG bat OF from someone, but Adam Jones just isn’t really good enough… If the O’s have plans to build around him they have no chance of being relevant anytime in the near future.
Adam Jones and Matt Wieters haven’t lived up to expectations. Josh Bell has also been a disappointment for them. Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, Britton have also struggled at the major league level. Muct be very frustrating to be an O’s fan.
December 22nd, 201111:12 am
Adam Jones is not a corner piece of a franchise, he’s really nothing more than a movable part. Looks to me like the O’s don’t quite know how to evaluate value among players.
Adam Jones is in the same boat as BJ Upton, IMO Solid players, with great potential. Both have a chance to breakout. Nothing special right now.
If you or CARROLL are ever in RICHMOND and want THAI, there’s a local place in MIDLOTHIAN called SIAM PARAGON [804 - 379-9895; 13,120 Midlothian Turnpike] that’s a small mom and pop. Grow all their own veggies. My constitution doesn’t tolerate spicy any longer so I try to stay away from the fire-belching stuff,, but I love the fresh, crisp flavor of the food. I stuck my head in the back. The place is clean, and well ordered. I should know. I was a mess sergeant in the day……Virginia National Guard. A place I would recommend and I will go back.
December 22nd, 201111:14 am
I think Gio is the most logical piece to fall before Jurrjens is traded, if Wren ends up dealing him. All the teams are going for Gonzalez right now and Beane holds a lot of leverage.
December 22nd, 201111:15 am
Matt Wieters is only 25 year old, really good defensive catcher. I think they expected too much from the bat. Only a career line of 265/328/415 at the plate so far. But he did have a 778 OPS last season. He is still one of there most valuable players.
December 22nd, 201111:16 am
I’d consider a trade of JJ, Betancourt, and another not top 10 prospect for Adam Jones, but no way in hell would I include any of our top pitching prospects. Probably not enough, but I wouldn’t trade more than that for Adam.
December 22nd, 201111:21 am
Efrim – how many organizations don’t have a number of players who just didn’t live up to the hype? How many braves can you think of off the top of your head from the last 5-6 years?
CraZy, You are living up to your name to want to make that trade. Betancourt is WAY to good to drop in a trade for Adam Jones
December 22nd, 201111:22 am
(or anyone else for that matter)
What are some eatin’ joints you recommend in the greater San Francisco metro?
Also, you always give out great restaurant advice, but it’s not easy to find after a couple of days. Have you thought about pinning a list of personal favorites categorized by MLB city? I think a lot of folks here would like that…
Steve from OH
December 22nd, 201111:23 am
Like I said earlier: Adam Jones=way overrated. Good enough player, just way overrated.
bayou brave…I’ll bet BAS can give you the places to drink…
December 22nd, 201111:26 am
tiger297, I can’t recall an organization who have been burned more by failed prospects than the Baltimore Orioles. From pitchers to position players, they are consistently getting nothing from their farm. It has to be ultra frustrating for their fan base.
December 22nd, 201111:27 am
Being realistic, outta Pastornicky/Simmons/Delgado/Teheran/Vizciano/Bethancourt/Salcedo/Terdo there is a great chance over half of them dont pan out.
December 22nd, 201111:28 am
“While back, many people here and on my blog said #Braves should trade for Adam Jones. Once Braves tried, majority howl that he stinks.”
“Orioles wanted two of Brandon Beachy, Mike Minor, Julio Teheran, Arodys Vizcaino and Randall Delgado for Adam Jones”
Yeah, for that price, Adam Jones stinks.
Again, I don’t think the O’s are as dumb as most think if for turning down Jurrjens and Prado. They are free agents after 2 seasons and the O’s aren’t built to win by then. It’s the prospect package that will be key for them, not the Major League Talent…sort of like the Braves’ Vizcaino/Dunn/Melky deal.
Beachy, Minor, Vizcaino, or Delgado are more sensible targets to seek if you’re Baltimore, but Wren won’t let that happen for Adam Jones.
December 22nd, 201111:31 am
First of all they wouldn’t want Betancourt anyways since they have Wieters and I was simply trying to say I’d trade him before I’d trade any of the top pitchers we have. I don’t think JJ has as much value as some think and if you want a player like Adam even though he isn’t that good you’ll have to give up something with value for him.
December 22nd, 201111:34 am
It’s funny when a player gets the tag top prospect beside his name people expect them to become an all star. Your right I’d say more than half of those don’t turn into the players people expect.
December 22nd, 201111:35 am
I think most people would be happy to get Adam for a fair price… Just not the price that’s being reported!!
December 22nd, 201111:37 am
Just gotta know which ones to hold onto.
Enough with the song lyrics, this isn't Rolling Stone
…but since it’s Christmas time, I’ll lay off my criticism of DOB for being more of a frustrated music critic than a baseball beat writer. Duran Duran’s All You Need is Now dropped in March and is a great record by a band that’s never gone away and actually put out some great but underappreciated and poor selling albums. Also enjoyed REM’s Collapse into Now although I thought Accelerate was better.
Yeah, I don’t think I’d trade Prado and Jurrjens for an Adam Jones, not worth it.
December 22nd, 201111:38 am
Yes, that was a ridiculous price. Martin’s career OPS is higher than Adam’s. Then we’re throwing in JJ and another prospect??
C’mon, DOB. You’re talking like we’re irrational on this blog.
December 22nd, 201111:39 am
Jim Duquette @Jim_Duquette 14m
George Sherrill told us – he warmed up 150 times last season, Linebrink was up 17 consecutive days at one point.
Hmm, criticism of Fredi?
December 22nd, 201111:40 am
and I thought the Blanks had divorced.
The Atlanta Braves have been shopping Jair Jurrjens all offseason, but the club isn’t exactly giving any holiday discounts.
Among the teams who’ve been linked to the 25-year-old right-hander are Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, Toronto Blue Jays, Detroit Tigers, Colorado Rockies and Texas Rangers, as CBSSports.com’s Jon Heyman summed up Wednesday. Heyman also noted that the Braves won’t deal Jurrjens within the NL East.
While the O’s apparently balked at sending centerfielder Adam Jones to Atlanta, as ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick confirmed, the Rockies couldn’t get the Braves to bite on a reported deal built around outfielder Seth Smith. It would appear, then, that Jurrjens is valued somewhere in between those two, if we’re sticking with outfielders as the Braves’ primary interest.
So what outfielders from the above teams could be used as bait to land Jurrjens? It’s doubtful that Josh Reddick or Ryan Kalish would be enough for the Red Sox to offer, and we’ve heard rumors that the Braves don’t like the Tigers’ Delmon Young and the Rockies won’t move Dexter Fowler.
Getting a little creative here, but one interesting name to consider might be Colby Rasmus. The Jays just acquired the 25-year-old centerfielder from the Cardinals last July, so they might not want to flip him, but he struggled all year, including a .173/.201/.316 slash line in 35 games with Toronto. Fresh off missing out on Yu Darvish, Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos could also be open to moving young outfielders like Travis Snider and/or Eric Thames, if it meant bringing back a solid starter like Jurrjens.
Jurrjens pitched very well in 2011, posting a 2.96 ERA and 1.22 WHIP while making the All-Star team for the first time. But there were concerns over a drop in his velocity during the year, as well as a knee injury that cost him part of August and all of September. The Braves, though, claim he is healthy now.
ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney’s Thursday column hints that the Blue Jays could be a fit because they’re exploring trade avenues for starting pitchers:
- Jason Catania
December 22nd, 201111:42 am
and when do you sleep, DOB? Thought I saw a 3:42am post. And then a 9 something. You gotta rest, man.
December 22nd, 201111:45 am
Colby Rasmus is basically Adam Jones or BJ Upton but worse. The guy has the potential to be really good, but right now he is he hasnt proved much. You really couldnt consider him being a solid player, just yet.
December 22nd, 201111:49 am
“Yeah, for that price, Adam Jones stinks.” T-Paul
Yup. If Braves were willing to actually give up two of those guys in one trade, I hope Wren sets his sights higher than Adam Jones.
If Wren really believes that the team could “survive” without Jurrjens and Prado, then that’s a better trade, because we also get a litle salary relief along the way. But trading two
and when do you sleep, DOB?
He’s on the Da Vinci/Kramer sleep cycle. 20 minutes every 3 hours
December 22nd, 201111:50 am
and when do you sleep, DOB? Thought I saw a 3:42am post. And then a 9 something. You gotta rest, man. — Felix Millan
Sleep — it’s overrated.
December 22nd, 201111:53 am
CraZy, I was really just making a play off your name, but JJ is a really good pitcher. He does have injury concerns, but if the Braves trade him for an OFer who is not the Power bat we need or have to package top prospects to do that, I would rather they keep him and Prado and pickup a cheap FA OFer with upside like Luke Scott until the trade deadline and then reassess.
December 22nd, 201111:54 am
All 3 guys mentioned in Toronto are lefthanded hitting outfielders. Snider and Rasmus had wrist injury issues in 2011.
Rasmus might have the most upside of the 3, as he has put it all together for a decent season in 2010, but all 3 are unproven (as is Jurrjens, considering his injury history).
I’d probably do a Jurrjens for Rasmus deal straight up. Both the other guys are LF’ers it looks like. Snider and Thames are thought to have some upside too.
December 22nd, 201111:56 am
Sleep is for the young and the weak………….
December 22nd, 201111:57 am
DOB – Do you think the Braves could clear enough payroll by trading Prado & JJ for prospects as to afford a run at Yoennis Cespedes (for LF)?
I would seem 5/55mm would do it at the high end. Initial talk was a 30mm deal but now I am reading 50-60 range.
Prado & JJ post arb are around 10mm combined.
If you back load the deal for Yoennis it could work and still leave room for a 2mm backup SS assuming the payroll may be a bit higher comment from Wren is legit.
Think of all the things you might miss while your asleep!!
December 22nd, 201111:58 am
No, the Braves didn’t just balk at adding two high level prospects, they laughed their collective asses off.
Sleep — it’s overrated. –DOB
So you wouldn’t trade Prado, Jurrjens, and a pitching prospect for it?
What are some eatin’ joints you recommend in the greater San Francisco metro? — Bayou Brave
There’s too many great, traditional Italian joints to list (just head to North Beach neighborhood), but for me, the only mandatory place to eat at least once every trip is Mario’s Bohemian Cigar Store Cafe on Columbus/Telegraph Hill (near a bunch of aforementioned North Beach Italian restaurants).
Mario’s doesn’t sell cigars anymore; it’s a corner bar/restaurant with some of the greatest sandwiches you will ever eat. Get the focaccia grilled chicken sandwich. Meatball sandwich also terrific. Great scene, cool people, terrific views on corner. The church where DiMaggio married Marilyn is a block away.
December 22nd, 201111:59 am
JJ is a really good pitcher…. for half seasons at a time.
Like uga brave or Jimmy Fallon’s talk show
December 22nd, 201112:00 pm
MLB.com is advertising a Roger Waters concert at Philly’s ballpark this summer. There’s your chance to see The Wall: Live in its entirety.
December 22nd, 201112:01 pm
now that you mention it… I don’t sleep as much as I used to. Oh, and by the way, there was someone over on Schultz’s blog using my moniker. He or she couldn’t spell the last name correctly, so if they said anything ignorant, it wasn’t me. Keep up the good work DOB, and thanks for all you do.
December 22nd, 201112:03 pm
VabRavesFan Adam Jones is in the same boat as BJ Upton, IMO Solid players, with great potential
they are pretty similar i guess, except upton has more speed and jones had more power. oh, and upton can actually play good defense.
VaBravesFan Colby Rasmus is basically Adam Jones or BJ Upton but worse. The guy has the potential to be really good, but right now he is he hasnt proved much.
wait a minute…at least colby rasmus has put up a full season of really good numbers. 2010 was really good for him, and in well over 500 PAs. the other two guys havent dont anything like that yet.
of course the other two have a pretty good track record of being so-so. i guess thats saying something.
December 22nd, 201112:04 pm
I stay up all night hitting the refresh button just hoping for a 2AM Ward post!! Who wouldn’t stay up for that???
December 22nd, 201112:05 pm
Boston and Toronto are the best bets for Jurrjens, imo. Seems like both would rather go the trade route to fill their needs for starting pitching.
December 22nd, 201112:09 pm
DOB, think there is any chance in heck Wren would trade Jurrjens in division to a team like the Nationals? — Efrim
I really don’t think so. Trading a reliever or a position player to a division team is one thing, but trading a top-of-rotation starting pitcher is quite another. If you can avoid facing one of your own former top starting pitchers 4-6 times per year for the next however many seasons, you avoid it. He probably knows Braves hitters as well or better than any other quality starting pitchers they’ll face.
December 22nd, 201112:10 pm
I just check his monologues in the morning
December 22nd, 201112:16 pm
Before sending Edinson Volquez and three of their top prospects to the Padres on Saturday in exchange for Mat Latos, the Reds were showing interest in Jurrjens. The Braves would not have received the same players in return. But some members of the organization were excited about the immediate and future impacts the returns might have had. – Mark Bowman
Chris Heisey, Drew Stubbs, or Todd Frazier plus prospects like Daniel Corcino or maybe even Billy Hamilton…..
Figured as much. Thanks DOB.
December 22nd, 201112:21 pm
SF obviously has a ridiculous amount of good eats. I’m not expert but can recommend the places I’ve had dinner my last 2 trips there:
Deflina in Dolores Park
Zuni Cafe closer to Downtown
Can’t face JJ if he’s on the DL
December 22nd, 201112:22 pm
“Think of all the things you might miss while your asleep!!”
December 22nd, 201112:25 pm
Trey must have been asleep for that one.
December 22nd, 201112:31 pm
Trey really Kawakami’d that one
December 22nd, 201112:34 pm
Jayson Stark points out in his column today, in a section on how abysmal Adam Dunn was this past season: This man had 111 more strikeouts (177) than hits (66). So how many other American Leaguers in history have had 100 more whiffs than hits in a season? That would be nada, obviously.
Dunn hit above .160 in only one month all season.
Jim - An avid Braves Fan
December 22nd, 201112:35 pm
We all know the Braves need some pop in their lineup but what has Wren done about it. I know the Braves GM’s have made some ” not so attractive (in the long run) trades in the recent past. Is their lack of participation in the free agent market that Wren has become gun shy? I can see it now, we’ll give away everything to get a mediorce player. Seems like we’re in a rebuilding mode, looking at the youth that Wren expects to produce, what elxew can you think? I guess from a business perspective, that’s all they can do at this point. They used youth last year and what happened last year? nuff said!
December 22nd, 201112:37 pm
jim We all know the Braves need some pop in their lineup but what has Wren done about it
not really. we are good on pop. we need some OBP.
December 22nd, 201112:38 pm
wow and the sox get to pay him another $44M
December 22nd, 201112:39 pm
We all know the Braves need some pop in their lineup but what has Wren done about it
Ugh, now what are we going to do about that big game against the Phillies tonight??
You wonder how their GM could say such with a straight face. On the other hand, I don’t guess it hurts to ask…it is the giving season.
December 22nd, 201112:41 pm
Dunn sounds done, unless he was hampered by injury.
Lee in S GA
December 22nd, 201112:44 pm
famous line from Wade Garrett in Road House “I’ll get enough sleep when I’m dead.”
It’s time to stop expecting anything from Wren this off-season. From his own mouth, on November 8th, Pastornicky wasn’t deemed ready to start this season, now, having not played in the AFL or any winter ball, he’s good to go. Wren said the team was likely to increase salary slightly this season, instead, all the moves the Braves have made were to cut salary. And yesterday’s announcement that they would likely wait until spring training to address a back-up short stop should pretty much seal the deal. Likely, if they can’t move Jurrjens or Prado, they’ll be going into the season with whatever is already on their roster and culling the scrap pile during Spring Training.
December 22nd, 201112:47 pm
It’s time to stop expecting anything from Wren this off-season. From his own mouth, on November 8th, Pastornicky wasn’t deemed ready to start this season
You remembered the date?
December 22nd, 201112:48 pm
Oh goody, here we go with the Colby Rasmus thing again. Even when the man leaves the country he can’t seem to stay out of Braves discussions.
DOB, yeah but the same could be said that our hitters know JJ’s tendencies just as well.
When i was younger in college I did not know how to fall alseep…only pass out.
December 22nd, 201112:50 pm
I mean…I remember birthdays, anniversaries, dates of events in history. But not GM comments on shortstops
December 22nd, 201112:51 pm
All I want for Christmas is for Matt Barkley to come back.
December 22nd, 201112:52 pm
Wait, I thought Roman Gal died
Pastornicky not ready to start: Braves GM Frank Wren told MLB Network Radio on Tuesday that prospect Tyler Pastornicky isn’t ready to take over as the team’s starting shortstop in 2011. The Braves will more likely look to the trade market or free agency to fill their vacancy at the position.
The Tuesday mentioned was the 8th.
December 22nd, 201112:59 pm
I gotta say I’m struggling here…I want to get the little one a Medlen jersey but so afraid he gets traded as soon as I get it
tough things to struggle with
December 22nd, 20111:00 pm
Rockies outfielder Seth Smith, expendable after the team signed Michael Cuddyer, is drawing trade interest from the Mariners, Athletics, Braves, Mets, and Rays, major-league sources said. – Jon Morosi
Well, sometimes it’s the trades that a team doesn’t make that prove the best. What if… just what if Wren fails to find the right matches for Jurrjens and/or Prado? What if Jurrjens is healthy in 2012 and, presumably, as effective as when he’s been healthy in the past? A plus or a minus for the Braves?
Ditto Prado. And I’ll get back to beating the drum: What if Chipper misses a significant number of games (not exactly a stretch) and Prado gives the Braves capable defense at third and hits with his old authority? Bad for the Braves?
December 22nd, 20111:01 pm
Seth Smith trade could be getting closer. An update on the teams involved with @Ken_Rosenthal: http://bit.ly/sGUyiF #Mariners #Mets #Braves
December 22nd, 20111:03 pm
Don’t you pay attention? I was only sleeping.
If he’s dealt to Seattle, then we can finally drop the Seth Smith to the Braves talk.
December 22nd, 20111:04 pm
Yes, Seth Smith, a left-handed hitter with a crappy arm is just what the Braves need in the OF. Wow, seems like Wren is desperate to cut payroll costs.
December 22nd, 20111:05 pm
Efrim, one can only hope.
December 22nd, 20111:06 pm
RG – glad to c u found the blog…hows the job?
It amazes me that the Seth Smith talk continues. Anyone really think that Wren is actively considering any deal involving Seth Smith?
December 22nd, 20111:07 pm
Y’all can run, but you can’t hide.
It’s alright. Can’t complain. Haha.
December 22nd, 20111:08 pm
Yes, JeffR, multiple reports, including from DOB, indicate that they are considering it.
December 22nd, 20111:10 pm
Sleep — it’s overrated. — DOB
I know you lose sleep from listening to music too. Between Braves work and 2000(?) CD’s, who knows when you sleep.
monty – the Orioles wanted 2 of Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino, Minor and Beachy PLUS Jurrjens and Prado for Adam Jones.
Are you kidding me? Why don’t they just say that they are not trading Jones
December 22nd, 20111:12 pm
Brava… I stand corrected… and disappointed.
December 22nd, 20111:15 pm
Okay, “considering” Seth Smith as a platoon/4th outfielder. Not a cornerstone of the franchise that we’re going to give up a forture for. Wren’s not an idiot.
December 22nd, 20111:21 pm
Still think we need a SS more than anything else. GEORGIE can play LF while MARTIN is filling in for CHIPPER. FREDI gave up on GEORGIE
I say Smith goes to the Mets. No solid proof of this, obviously, but they are the Mets.
December 22nd, 20111:22 pm
way to soon last year.
December 22nd, 20111:23 pm
Again, one can only hope, CTB. Smith is not a fit for the Braves unless Wren’s only motivation is to dump more salary.
December 22nd, 20111:25 pm
George – what do you think about Fredi?
December 22nd, 20111:28 pm
Brava, well he is a fit, Brava, if he’s gonna be platooning with Diaz in left. I just don’t like the idea, personally. I’d love a Swisher in LF and put Prado back in that super-sub role, but life isn’t always so wonderful.
December 22nd, 20111:29 pm
FREDI is lazy and stupid, should have been let go at end of last season.
I could say Brava’s name again …
Wow, proof read dummy!
December 22nd, 20111:30 pm
How is he lazy?
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