10:10 pm December 19, 2011, by David O'Brien
December 21st, 20119:19 pm
I guess I do like OF Iosif Bernal from Panama. Excited to see him player next year. Kid is 6′3” 200 lbs already.
December 21st, 20119:20 pm
I know a lot of folks will laugh at this suggestion, but I will still state it.
If our buddy Matt Diaz could return to the level of hitting against lefties that he showed in 2006, 07 and 09; we could be a lot less susceptible to tough lefties.
While a Brave, Matty hit well in ALL years that he wasn’t injured. Coincidence? I don’t know. And then he goes to Pittsburgh and has a mediocre year with the bat.
Maybe he’s done. But being the ultra positive Brave fan, I am looking for a big bounce back year from Matt. He won’t be 34 until March.
DOB, do you have any input on whether you have seen anything in his play when he returned last summer that would indicate he is capable of a comeback?
Curious minds want to know…………….
Steve from OH
While back, many people here and on my blog said #Braves should trade for Adam Jones. Once Braves tried, majority howl that he stinks
It’s not that he stinks; in fact, he’d be a nice fit for us in LF. The problem lies in his perceived value and the amount we’d probably overpay because of it. He’s their Jurrjens–the player that they’re asking for a lot more than what he’s actually worth.
December 21st, 20119:25 pm
Finally, someone speculates we could be in on Beltran! I know it’s a pipe dream, but man, I’d love for the Braves to be the “mystery team”.
Beltran said to be moving closer to decision
Posted on: December 21, 2011 7:47 pm
Free agent outfielder Carlos Beltran continues to sort through interest from “four or five” clubs and hopes to make a decision by Christmas, sources with knowledge of the discussions say.
The Cardinals and Blue Jays remain among the most aggressive suitors. Other interested clubs remain unidentified. Boston? The Red Sox, with J.D. Drew no longer in right field, make sense. So, too, does Tampa Bay and maybe even Atlanta. The Braves liked Beltran well enough last summer to strongly consider making a push to acquire him from the Mets.
December 21st, 20119:27 pm
Didn’t we sign an International prospect recently that was supposed to be a good hitter? Outfielder. Could have been 2010? Can’t recall the name.
December 21st, 20119:28 pm
I thought the White Sox were “rebuilding”? I guess they(KW and Reinsdorf) refuse to have a system that isn’t out of the Top 25…..
December 21st, 20119:30 pm
Beltran is exactly the type of player that we need. Gets on base and has decent power.
Obviously the injury concerns and his age are both risky. And the pay he will require.
I’m thinking that to get him, we’d definitely need to move some salary (Jurrjens and/or Prado).
But yeah, I like Beltran too.
December 21st, 20119:32 pm
DS1, here is who we signed this past year: http://www.talkingchop.com/2011/7/3/2257339/atlanta-braves-2011-international-signings
OF Iosif Bernal and RHP Jesus Jones are the two guys to look out for, although no big ticket guys apparently. But international guys are tricky. Sort of a coin toss, imo.
December 21st, 20119:33 pm
Williams is one unconventional GM. He ain’t afraid to change things up.
What would he take for Lillibridge? That kid could cover CF in a pinch, and also could be your backup SS.
December 21st, 20119:40 pm
Danks, Floyd, Peavy, Humber, Sale/Stewart rotation for the White Sox in 2012.
LF Viciedo, CF Rios, RF Quentin
3B Morel, SS Ramirez, 2B Beckham, 1B Konerko, C Pierzynski, DH Dunn
RP Thorton, Crain, Reed, Ohman
December 21st, 20119:42 pm
Wayne, I’d love to get Beltran. You’re right, he’s a gamble, but if he could stay healthy, he would make a huge impact on this team. I agree that we’d probably lose Prado and/or JJ if we do get him, that’s the downside.
December 21st, 20119:43 pm
DS1, I honestly think he went through the process of fielding trade offers for Danks, got nothing he wanted for him, and decided to just keep him and go for it next year. I’d sell if I were them, but with Dunn, Rios, Peavy on the books, it’s tough to do that I guess. Still ridiculous. Danks, Quentin, Floyd should of followed Santos out. Oh well. AL Central is terrible, so I guess anyone has a shot.
December 21st, 20119:44 pm
If you’re rebuilding, you trade Danks. If you re-sign Danks, you’re not rebuilding. If you re-sign Danks while rebuilding, you’re lost.
Pretty much what I was thinking.
December 21st, 20119:47 pm
Well, good news for the Braves, folks. Danks off of the market. One less pitcher for trade market.
December 21st, 20119:48 pm
Braves could easily be that “mystery team” after Beltran. Wren would have to trade one or both JJ/Prado to make that signing possible though. He wouldnt necessarily have to before he’d sign Beltran.
Mystery team could also be Philly. Not shocking.
Best move KW made this winter was unloading Ozzie!
December 21st, 20119:57 pm
I’d crawl into a hole if I were White Sox fan. Worst farm system in the sport and an aging major league roster. Only good thing is they are in a bad division with the Royals only possessing a good system.
December 21st, 201110:04 pm
Braves fans are too nice. Of the cheap ass owners would raise payroll even by a little they could make a serious run at Beltran or a trade for Swisher. He makes 10mill a year, but it’s out of the Braves price range unless they unload some contracts. That’s just pitiful. Teams in our division keep getting tougher and seemingly richer.
You guys are too conservative. Look at this, it’s almost Christmas and your team hasn’t even made one move to improve themselves other than unload that washed up Lowe. Whoopee freaking doo!
December 21st, 201110:07 pm
Thank you for that insight Ronald. Never mind that you don’t understand that our team has payroll restrictions. We know that. We are mostly OK with that. If you are not a Braves fan, why would you even care?
But thanks again for opening our minds……………
December 21st, 201110:08 pm
DS1 – Not a lick of snow on the ground. It’s crazy!
December 21st, 201110:13 pm
Braves have offered Beltran a contract. Have a buddy working with the Cardinals front office and he says the Braves are serious suitors for him. Some Cardinals people feel Carlos will select Atlanta because it’s close to his home in Puerto Rico and he’s also familiar with the eastern division. They aren’t as confident is signing him that they’ve been talking with Coco Crisp agent. A deal is pretty close Beltran.
December 21st, 201110:17 pm
Here is your “feel good” story of the day. Absolutely unbelievable. Check this out…
December 21st, 201110:18 pm
Braves fans are too nice. Of the cheap ass owners would raise payroll even by a little they could make a serious run at Beltran or a trade for Swisher
You guys are too conservative — Ronald
I think Ronald is right. It’s time we fans act! Let’s tar & feather Wren’s butt. Who’s in? Oh, and does anyone have his address
December 21st, 201110:23 pm
What an uplifting story, Mitchie-sand. Thanks for posting it.
tom – actually yes I do but I won’t give it to you…he lives about 15 minutes from my house (I’ve been by his house never in it and I don’t know him)
December 21st, 201110:24 pm
My friend doesn’t see Atlanta’s offer any higher than what Cardinals offer is which is at 3 years,$31.5 million. They just feel Beltran is leaning towards Atlanta since it’s closer to his home. He certainly doesn’t want to go to Toronto.
If I knew Wren’s address, I wouldn’t post it here, Tom. Too many crazies dropping by all day.
if Beltran is signed the Braves will keep Prado and Diaz. Constanza will be the 5th OF.
I still look for them to move Jurrjens if they get a good package for him
December 21st, 201110:25 pm
That’s OK, tiger. When we finally figure out Wren’s address, and put the tar & feathers to him, you’ll be next.
December 21st, 201110:27 pm
I could see Beltran not wanting to go to Toronto. The artificial turf at Rogers would not be good for his knees (same with Tampa), plus they want to use him almost exclusively as a DH.
December 21st, 201110:31 pm
I dont see the Braves offering Beltran 3/31…. were is the money coming from BRAVOCOUNTRY?
if heading south pass huddy’s house take the next right…its the 4th street on the left and the house is first on the right
December 21st, 201110:35 pm
Glad to see you came to your senses.
cross the railroad tracks to the next level of home value take a right and go down 5 more levels and you get to my house
we are not signing beltran so dont even start that talk
December 21st, 201110:37 pm
no way Braves give Beltran a 3-year deal with those knees. Besides, Wren shot that idea down before the Winter Meetings when he said that the team was not looking to sign anyone who has an injury history. Yes, Carlos, I think he was talking directly to you and skipping your agent.
December 21st, 201110:41 pm
Nationals, Mark DeRosa Nearing Deal
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 21 at 9:37pm CST]
The Nationals are close to signing free agent Mark DeRosa, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter). CSE represents the utility player, who drew interest from at least four teams this offseason.
DeRosa played in just 47 games in 2011 because of a strained left wrist. The versatile 36-year-old was productive in 2009, posting a .250/.319/.433 line and appearing at five different positions for the Indians and Cardinals. However, he has struggled to stay on the field since signing a two-year deal with the Giants two Decembers ago. When he did play for the Giants, DeRosa posted a forgettable .235/.313/.279 line.
I think it is completely ridiculous that the Braves want to sue Disney over the usage of “Brave”.
December 21st, 201110:42 pm
All teams need a little luck with their players’ health, and for a good part of the roster to have decent years.
But, other than that, all the Braves really need is someone to be able to play short on a part-time basis.
December 21st, 201110:43 pm
Me and my wife were tallking about old shows we watched as kids and one show (can’t believe I remember it) was called Pinwheel. Anybody else remember that show? It was an 80s show
December 21st, 201110:44 pm
“I could see Beltran not wanting to go to Toronto. The artificial turf at Rogers would not be good for his knees (same with Tampa), plus they want to use him almost exclusively as a DH.”
Brava, I don’t blame him. If I was a seasoned MLB player, I’d refuse to play for a team that plays on turf and I would refuse to play for the American League.
Something tells me BRAVOCOUNTRY is a phony…
They’re searching for ways to afford a “big bat”, Trey.
No problem, Brava. I would have lost my mind if that was me…
December 21st, 201110:47 pm
Bravocountry… is pull your leg..Braves have no offer on table for Beltran.
December 21st, 201110:48 pm
Tom, I guess what ever it takes for them to get money. Next, sue anyone who sings the Star Spangled banner.
the lawsuit is trademark protection and companies do it all the time. Not sure why we fault the braves for attempting to protect a trademark.
December 21st, 201110:49 pm
tiger, but they didn’t trademark Brave. Especially if Brave is used for something completely different than baseball.
December 21st, 201110:51 pm
Wren’s quote is somewhat dismaying. Not even going to try to get a back-up SS, now. Just wait til Spring Training and see who gets non-tendered.
December 21st, 201110:53 pm
Fixing to say Trey, you’d better capitalize “Banner”.
So nobody is interested in my silly 80s show reminiscenting? Ok
December 21st, 201110:54 pm
I never heard of that one, Brian.
December 21st, 201110:56 pm
the only way I see the Braves signing Beltran is if he decides to go for a 1 year deal to try and reestablish his value. He could see himself as the missing piece for the Braves and decide to go for a title with the Braves while reestablishing his value. Could have an option year based on at bats
December 21st, 201110:57 pm
CTB, yeah, I realized it after I hit submit.
trey – doesn’t have to be specific and doesn’t have to be in a related discipline.
December 21st, 201111:00 pm
from some things I’ve read Disney is one of the strongest at protecting its trademark names/characters.
Honestly it would not surprise me if they sued liberty media over a movie name and this might be a bit of payback. Probably a stretch but possible
December 21st, 201111:01 pm
tiger, I just don’t think they should be suing, but that’s just my opinion. I guess if that is the only way they can make money, or attempt. They will probably end up losing more to this frivolous lawsuit than they are bringing in.
Beltran won’t be trying to establish any value when he can get 2-3 years of 10+ million.
December 21st, 201111:02 pm
Tom, probably is you saw it you might remember that show. Stupid show, but sometimes you feel nostalgia with it.
December 21st, 201111:03 pm
one year deal with an option year for Beltran might make some sense for Braves. I could maybe see that. No way he gets 3-year offer from Braves.
December 21st, 201111:04 pm
The Nationals are close to signing free agent Mark DeRosa
get it done gNats, quickly please
and I’ll believe Beltran when I see him sign, though I’ve been for it all along
Another 80s moment … The Peanut Butter Solution. Movie used to creep me out.
December 21st, 201111:05 pm
wishful thinking DS1- I could still see the Braves trying to get him to agree to a 1 year $10-12 million contract with the second (and possibly 3rd year) a vesting option based on plate appearances if his only other option is Toronto. Having to match St. Louis will get the Braves out of the bidding (if we were ever there to start with)
wishful thinking that is by me
Yeah, I think that blogger was just trying to stir things up on Beltran.
December 21st, 201111:07 pm
nolie – even for 3 years?
Lillibridge,like most ex-Braves, is overvalued on this blog. That being said, he would be a good addition to our current Braves as a backup or part-time SS/backup CF. Who would you rather have Lillibridge or Cedeno?
December 21st, 201111:09 pm
Keep on saving ‘teeeeen.
I’d go two years and an option for sure
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
Derosa…? Really? Yawn…
He’s Another one of those guys who they were talking about on Sports Radio out here…In that he just like Tracy McGrady would’ve been a good move to acquire 5 YEARS ago…as opposed to now when both respective players are washed up…
The Braves are notorious for acquiring players whom people and the F.O. wishes the team would had 5 years before they got to Atlanta…Raul Mondesi is a great example…In 2000 He was the Bomb…when we got him in 2005 (Correct me if im wrong) he was pure garbage!
Ditto for when Bobby Bonilla Joined the Braves in 2000
Lillibridge, but he costs and Cedeno does not
December 21st, 201111:12 pm
December 21st, 201111:13 pm
Let De-Ro Go To The Nats…! We Don’t Need Him…I’m drinking the Kool Aid Here but All we need is Both J-Hey and Martini to have bounceback seasons…
December 21st, 201111:14 pm
Trey – “frivolous” is something one might apply to lawsuits that do not infringe upon the rights of a multi-million dollar enterprise – no way that is the case here…
Do you really not understand? Sometimes you take a flier on a player who seems to be on decline, in hopes that you can squeeze some productivity out of him. Usually it is at a much decreased price.
That’s what teams with a budget do. Mostly they don’t work out. Glaus carried us for 2 months in 2010. And he was playing for peanuts.
We aren’t the only team that does that on occasion.
December 21st, 201111:16 pm
On a much more enjoyable note, here is a compilation of Darlene Love’s appearances on Letterman the past 20 years, doing, as Dave calls it, “the greatest rock and roll Christmas song ever written”…
Anything’s possible, Brian. It just doesn’t ring any bells. (That’s why I didn’t respond to your original post.)
December 21st, 201111:17 pm
Jim Caple Underwhelming 2012 HOF class
Bernie Williams: Finally, we get someone who merits serious Cooperstown consideration. Williams was a four-time Gold Glove-winning center fielder on the Yankees’ four World Series champions, batted .297 with a .381 on-base percentage for his career, hit .300 eight times, won a batting title, scored 1,366 runs, drove in 1,257 more and appeared in October prime time more often than promos for the Simpsons’ “Treehouse of Horror” while driving in a record 80 postseason runs. He’ll probably finish just shy for me, but I’ll continue to consider him based just on his great “Seinfeld” appearance, when he asked George, then the Yankees’ assistant traveling secretary, “Are you the one who put us in that Ramada in Milwaukee?”
Is Seth Smith what we’re really aiming for? Seems like one of the only names I’ve been hearing. I think we need something better in LF to improve our offense. Do you see that as a legit possibility for Wren this off season, getting someone better than Seth Smith?
gotta figure beltran is the cardinals to lose.
Sometimes you take a flier on a player who seems to be on decline, in hopes that you can squeeze some productivity out of him.
Ok….. how about a JD Drew / Andruw Jones platoon in LF?????
December 21st, 201111:19 pm
yeah prolly right Uga. I seriously doubt the Braves get him
December 21st, 201111:20 pm
I’ll pass on any kinda flier on DeRo unless its a minor league contract
December 21st, 201111:21 pm
I’m so happy that my post to Brian finally made it here. It’s been bouncing around cyber-space for quite a while. (tech-wise, this site sucks)
December 21st, 201111:23 pm
VJ, that is true. A frivolous lawsuit is filed by either the party or attorney, who is aware that they haven’t any merit, due to lack of supporting legal argument.
December 21st, 201111:24 pm
yeah I’m having trouble connecting when I refresh…. again.
December 21st, 201111:25 pm
Where would you play Marteen? I’m thinking he’d be better than that platoon.
December 21st, 201111:26 pm
If DeRo can get a major league contract from the Nats, he should take it.
December 21st, 201111:29 pm
At this point it wouldn’t suprise me if the Braves are in on Beltran. Seems like the trade options have fell through or never developed w/ any seriousness. If they are involved I’m sure they are one of the two year deals he holds. I’m sure he’d consider Atlanta heavily as they are one of the closest teams to his Puerto Rico Baseball Academy
December 21st, 201111:30 pm
December 21st, 201111:33 pm
I’m a little slow tonight………….
December 21st, 201111:34 pm
Beltran should be tough to land. The Giants and Cardinals have interest, and who knows what other team/s? It sounds like a contract that would be out of the Braves’ bailiwick.
December 21st, 201111:36 pm
Really don’t want to see Prado traded… Don’t think I can handle losing Marteeen and Moylan in 1 offseason!!
December 21st, 201111:37 pm
Blue Jays, Red Sox, Cardinals…………. maybe the Phillies or the Braves.
That’d be the teams probably in on Beltran.
December 21st, 201111:38 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 2m
The Indians have jumped into the Carlos Beltran negotiations.
11:35 PM – 21 Dec 11 via web · Details
December 21st, 201111:40 pm
just can’t see the Braves paying what it will take on Beltran
December 21st, 201111:43 pm
Where is our blogmeister in such a time of need?
Prospect mania! Is it out of control?
December, 21, 2011
By David Schoenfield
Rany Jazayerli has a column on Grantland subtitled “Once upon a time, teams got great value by trading for minor league studs. Not anymore.” Rany’s point is that front offices are smarter than a generation ago, making it difficult to pilfer players like Jeff Bagwell, Randy Johnson or Jay Buhner from less-savvy general managers.
Cary Edmondson/US Presswire
The A’s traded Trevor Cahill to the Diamondbacks for prospect Jarrod Parker.
In fact, Rany argues, the tide has swung too far the other way — the Oakland A’s just traded a solid pitcher in Trevor Cahill, signed to a team-friendly contract for up to six more seasons, for prospect Jarrod Parker. While Parker is an excellent prospect — he should rank around No. 30 overall when prospect lists are unveiled early next year — Cahill was once an excellent prospect as well, ranking 11th on Baseball America’s top 100 list. The year before, the Diamondbacks had made a similar trade, only in reverse fashion — dealing Dan Haren, one of the best starters in the majors, for essentially prospect Tyler Skaggs (who had a very good 2011 in the minors) and mediocre lefty Joe Saunders. In other words, Tyler Skaggs may grow up to be … Dan Haren. But he may not.
Rany’s point is right on. It also ties into what I call prospect hype. Prospect hype is bigger than ever before. Besides Baseball America, terrific analysts such as our own Keith Law and Baseball Prospectus’ Kevin Goldstein offer more information and better scouting reports than we had available even 10 years ago. This is a good thing; the more information we have, the smarter fans we become. It’s also fun, adding another layer to our baseball fanaticism.
However, the danger is when we start treating baseball prospects like fans currently view NFL or NBA prospects. Baseball prospects are far more difficult to project than NFL or NBA prospects, and the failure rate of first-round picks in those sports is high enough. Most fans of those sports don’t realize this, of course, which explains why draft day in those sports have become two of the biggest events on the sports calendar. The reality is that your first-round NBA pick won’t actually amount to much, but the hype obscures rational analysis (there’s only talk of upside, not of downside).
As baseball prospects get more and more hype, the expectations thus change. These guys are going to be stars. This is why I loved the Mat Latos trade from the Reds’ perspective. Sure, maybe Yasmani Grandal and Yonder Alonso will both turn into great players; but Latos is already a terrific player. It could work out for both teams, but the fact is it’s the kind of trade we rarely see anymore; as Rany writes, general managers are essentially afraid to trade prospects for fear of getting burned.
In other words, they’ve bought into the hype. The truth, of course, is that most prospects don’t become stars. Jarrod Parker may have a higher ceiling than Trevor Cahill, but the odds are his career won’t be as good as Cahill’s.
I’m not saying prospects aren’t important; there’s nothing more valuable in baseball than a young player making a low salary. As the Tampa Bay Rays have shown, if your system keeps churning out talented young players, you can compete with a low payroll. As the Kansas City Royals and Pittsburgh Pirates have shown over the past 15-plus years, however, banking solely on cheap young players is a difficult proposition.
Here’s another way to look at it: Sitting on my desk is the 2005 “Baseball America Prospect Handbook.” Prospects from that book have now reached the majors and are contributing to their teams. The No. 30-ranked farm system that year? The St. Louis Cardinals. It’s not that Baseball America misjudged the Cardinals’ system — it was indeed, a bad system. The only player in the top 30 to contribute to their 2011 World Series title was Skip Schumacher. The only other major leaguers of note from the list are Adam Wainwright and Brendan Ryan.
Meanwhile, the Minnesota Twins, Colorado Rockies, Cleveland Indians, Oakland A’s, Chicago Cubs and Seattle Mariners all ranked in the top 11 farm systems. Those teams averaged 91 losses in 2011.
December 21st, 201111:44 pm
Andruw Jones or JD Drew would be solid options. They will only command a 1 year deal. Drew would have incentives most likely. Cody Ross being younger and able to play CF he’ll get atleast 2 years from someone. Jones or Drew could be cheaper options.
I just said that, nolie. Couldn’t you say, “I agree with Tom”… or something?
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