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TommyP
December 16th, 2011
7:22 pm
Braves get Chase Headley and Cozart.
Reds get Jair Jurrjens.
Padres get Drew Stubbs.
Minor parts get thrown in elsewhere to make it more compatible.
nolie
December 16th, 2011
7:25 pm
I think Stubbs would have a rough time of it hitting as a Padre
TommyP
December 16th, 2011
7:27 pm
nolie: Probably but in that spacious ballpark, having Venable, Maybin and Stubbs tracking down flyballs is pretty impressive.
Plus all 3 have power potential.
Just thinking out loud here….
Efrim
December 16th, 2011
7:29 pm
I like Chase Headley and Cozart. However with Maybin there, I’m not sure why the Padres would do that. Drew Stubbs = Swiss Cheese.
Seattle Braves
December 16th, 2011
7:30 pm
Adam Jones trade is a great trade for the direction that Liberty Media and Frenk Wren and there direction they want to take the Braves in. They want younger, cheaper, mid level players. They want to avoid players going to free agency or arbitration. They want to sign cheap 1 yr veterans to help out the overly hyped talent waiting in the wings.
This formula is to reduce payroll to make bigger profitable wealth year after year. They can do this because of the Braves history of being so successful. Pretty much riding on the coat tails of the 14 divisional run.
nolie
December 16th, 2011
7:30 pm
Venable, Maybin and Stubbs tracking down flyballs is pretty impressive.
true dat. Stubbs is a GREAT athlete. one of the best in baseball
old man
December 16th, 2011
7:39 pm
DOB, I agree, the general bias here is to overvalue our players, undervalue those on other teams, and fail to understand that the “metrics” in any trade are going to be pretty much even. The surplus value is going to be based on each team’s needs positionally.
I have seen the O’s own press out more stock in their prospect shortstops, and they view Hardy as a “bridge,” albeit a darn good one. Jones and Prado I view as a straight up deal. We would need to put in another piece with JJ to equate to Hardy.
My confidence in my own ability to analyze these things is pretty darn low, but that’s my two cents.
nolie
December 16th, 2011
7:39 pm
did everybody go to hang their stocking with care?
Seattle Braves
December 16th, 2011
7:43 pm
DOB, We need some fresh news. Anything to add before Christmas?
TnBrian
December 16th, 2011
7:43 pm
History channel has some good shows. I like Pawn Stars and American Restoration where they fix up random stuff like cars to old air flight signs.
TommyP
December 16th, 2011
7:49 pm
I don’t watch much TV but Gold Rush: Alaska is one of my favorites.
Steve from OH
December 16th, 2011
7:51 pm
Adam Jones trade is a great trade for the direction that Liberty Media and Frenk Wren and there direction they want to take the Braves in. They want younger, cheaper, mid level players. They want to avoid players going to free agency or arbitration. They want to sign cheap 1 yr veterans to help out the overly hyped talent waiting in the wings.
Except that Jones is making 3.5 this year (which is a good deal for the team, admittedly), will have his third arbitration season next year, and will be a FA after that. He’s not a cheap, mid-level guy anymore.
Steve from OH
December 16th, 2011
7:53 pm
Or won’t be after this year.
And besides, he just might be the most overrated guy on the blog. A good player, but not performing at the superstar status that many here think he is.
nolie
December 16th, 2011
7:56 pm
so Bonds gets probation and house arrest…..
kenhotlanta
December 16th, 2011
7:56 pm
I thought we had decided on here a few weeks ago that Chase Headley is the same player as Marteeen, so why trade for him?
Seattle Braves
December 16th, 2011
7:57 pm
Bummer! I like my theory. Adam Jones you Sux
Steve from OH
December 16th, 2011
7:58 pm
so Bonds gets probation and house arrest…..
I’m so glad we the people spend so much money making sure Barry got his probation, damn it. That’ll teach him!
nolie
December 16th, 2011
7:59 pm
yeah Steve what a mess. and more money to be spent on Clemens
TommyP
December 16th, 2011
7:59 pm
kenhotlanta: I sure as hell didn’t decide that.
If you can’t look at what he’s done so far, project his numbers outside of that stadium and the potential that he had coming into the majors as a prospect, well, then the guy isn’t much to you.
He’s ready to bust out BIG TIME once he gets out of San Diego.
Steve from OH
December 16th, 2011
7:59 pm
Oh, I don’t think your theory is wrong; I just don’t think Adam Jones quite fits it! I wouldn’t mind having him on the club at all, just think the price in players/prospects will be more than he’s truly worth.
Sorta like Jair Jurrjens…
CB
December 16th, 2011
8:00 pm
So I guess Barry is confined for 30 days in his mansion? Poor fellow.
TnBrian
December 16th, 2011
8:00 pm
I guess it doesn’t matter what Wren does because regardless:
-nolie will still be flipping through his Bill James Handbook evaluating this questionable move
-Lew will be preaching to the complainers how it all works in the real baseball world
-Efrim will still be wondering why in the world Wren didn’t go after a team with better prospects
-McFann will just be happy they didn’t trade McCann
-Mitchell and Nick will bi*** we didn’t get any top available players and we’lll finish last, 4th if they’re in a good mood that day
-Robert will blame Cox
-Coach will wonder why his idea of Cruz didn’t get passed through Wren’s office a few years back and how he would be head and shoulders above the new acquisition
uga-brave will blame McGuirk as to why Beltran ended up in STL
And whatever I say some will still call me “dummy” and “backstabber”
Seattle Braves
December 16th, 2011
8:00 pm
Did they check to see if Bonds used enhancing level performance drugs throughout the trail? Seems to me he got a light slap on the wrist, he must of been on something to get a verdict like that…. hmmmm….
nolie
December 16th, 2011
8:01 pm
they already said that JJ won’t get it done for Jones. sure not worth more than that IMO
CB
December 16th, 2011
8:02 pm
Yeah,I would much rather have Headley than Jones. Could be a replacement for Chipper down the road.
Seattle Braves
December 16th, 2011
8:02 pm
@ Steve.
But you see my point about the direction of the franchise right?
It will only change with new management that are not investors.
nolie
December 16th, 2011
8:06 pm
Headley shows promise and I think he has three more years of arb,
He will start to get expensive the last two though I bet.
Steve from OH
December 16th, 2011
8:06 pm
Seattle–oh, I don’t think anyone disagrees with that sentiment, and if you ask me it’s an excellent way to run a ballclub. I’m not a huge fan of big FA signings; I think they often burden the club more than they help. I think selective FA signings are best.
What’s better than paying Tommy Hanson and Jason Heyward 400K to be awesome? Not much. Plus they free up more money to get a big FA if you really need it. People don’t think we have any big FA, but we do–we’re paying Chipper 14MM, Uggla 13MM, McCann 12MM and Hudson 10MM. Just because we didn’t make a big splash signing them doesn’t mean we don’t have ‘em…
TommyP
December 16th, 2011
8:06 pm
TnBrian: I’ll call you a quilter.
TommyP
December 16th, 2011
8:07 pm
nolie: I bet he’s not as expensive as you think. His overall numbers from his past in SD will keep the $ down despite his true value.
TommyP
December 16th, 2011
8:09 pm
Steve from OH: Well said.
TnBrian
December 16th, 2011
8:09 pm
TommyP, I’d actually gotten that “sewing circle” line off a movie. Ya know what movie?
Trey
December 16th, 2011
8:10 pm
Bonds isn’t even serving his time, yet. Judge delayed it.
Trey
December 16th, 2011
8:11 pm
nolie, by the time Heyward gets more expensive, we will probably have already found ourselves a new out fielder.
Seattle Braves
December 16th, 2011
8:12 pm
Plus the Braves will have to re-sign Bourn (probably wont) and McCann. B-Mac has 1 or 2 years with a club option. Huddy will probably retire in 3 years???
Chipper is going to be good for 2/3 of the season. Keeping Prado makes logic then trading him.
The only way I see a trade happening is if the Braves get an absurd deal. I dont see that happening.
CB
December 16th, 2011
8:12 pm
nolie,I know you are a big fan of Bill James. I left a story on the blog about meeting him, his daughter married my sister’s grandson and I went to the wedding without knowing he was the father of the bride. One of the biggest shocks of my life when my sister introduced us.
nolie
December 16th, 2011
8:13 pm
he made 2.3 last season . I guess he was onea them super dooper 4 arb years guys since most guys make less than a mil in their third year. not sure of that though
but I meant if he got away from The Pads and hit like he might be able to for three more seasons.
nolie
December 16th, 2011
8:15 pm
yeah I read that CB. I thought I left an affirmation the first time you posted it. Maybe not.
actually I don’t know if he is more special than some others any more but he certainly had a whole lotta influence on the development of baseball stats usage
Trey
December 16th, 2011
8:16 pm
You know the Braves will most likely go the cheaper route for a right fielder after Heyward, Nolie.
Seattle Braves
December 16th, 2011
8:16 pm
I think everyone is forgetting that we have Constanza and resigned Eric Hinskie “The Kevin James of Baseball” –It will catch on.
Put Hinksie and Constanza and Diaz tripple platoon LF. Mostly Diaz and Constanza. Hinksie would be the bench and back up for Freeman and Heyward. I hope not Heyward, come on kid shine….
nolie
December 16th, 2011
8:18 pm
I don’t see Constanza making the club outta ST. certainly hope not anyway
nolie
December 16th, 2011
8:19 pm
well we still have Hey for four years, and if he prospers they might try to re-sign him…..
Trey
December 16th, 2011
8:21 pm
Heh, stranger things have happened, nolie. I doubt he will, though.
CB
December 16th, 2011
8:21 pm
He was a very pleasant guy,nolie, but I could tell he was nervous about the wedding. I didn’t have a chance for any real conversation.
Trey
December 16th, 2011
8:22 pm
I’m sure he will. Since he was only in year two, I’m not too concerned with him.
nolie
December 16th, 2011
8:23 pm
you doubt that Hey will prosper?
nolie
December 16th, 2011
8:25 pm
I have heard he’s a pretty decent guy CB. I’ve never met him, but I know a few baseball folks who know him.
nolie
December 16th, 2011
8:27 pm
well I think it’s time for a nap. i have put in a lotta hours on the ol’ blog today. Should give y’all a break. Maybe Efrim will come back if I leave……….
Trey
December 16th, 2011
8:29 pm
Of course I don’t doubt he will prosper. I meant that I doubt Constanza would get called up.
cabravesfan
December 16th, 2011
8:30 pm
Kobe’s wife finally got tired of him being a cheating a-hole. Gonna cost him upwards of $150 million or so…hope it was worth it.
BFChris27
December 16th, 2011
8:34 pm
Hey peeps!
I am having a wonderful day!
I am working with a friend of mine from Church who does airbrush work. For Christmas I am getting him to make 3 shirts (one for me, my mom and dad) as an in memory gift with my brother’s face on it. It will have his face smiling on it with the fireman’s maltese cross behind him with a halo on it. On the back of the shirts will have the lyrics of “This Little Light Of Mine” as it was sung at his funeral.
I am keeping this quiet away from my parents for the surprise factor. Don’t worry, they don’t get online, much less on the blog
McFann O O o
December 16th, 2011
8:40 pm
BFChris27—
Ah, that’s sweet! I’m sure they’ll love it!
TnBrian
December 16th, 2011
8:45 pm
“Jonathon Niese is believed to be available in a package built around Rockies outfielder Seth Smith”
This is from Fox sports.
Steve from OH
December 16th, 2011
8:50 pm
cbf–that dude’s gotta have a prenup. Sorry, but for a guy in his position that’s just as big a mistake as the (many, I am sure) mistakes he made leading to the “separation.”
cabravesfan
December 16th, 2011
8:51 pm
Steve from OH-
According to reports, there was no prenup. And it actually sounds like everything has been sorted out already…if that’s the case, it will be the quietest, least messy “public” divorce in history
cabravesfan
December 16th, 2011
8:54 pm
If I remember correctly (and seeing as it was 10 years ago, that is a large IF)- She refused to sign one and despite his people wanting him too, he refused to make her.
Steve from OH
December 16th, 2011
8:56 pm
And it actually sounds like everything has been sorted out already…if that’s the case, it will be the quietest, least messy “public” divorce in history
Well, good for them. Sounds like they’re not completely disconnected from reality.
But man, you gotta make her sign that prenup. A guy in his position has too much to lose.
cabravesfan
December 16th, 2011
8:57 pm
Steve-
They got married before his career really took off. He wasn’t making the kind of money he is now, plus he was young and stupid…
Steve from OH
December 16th, 2011
8:58 pm
Exactly,
cabravesfan
December 16th, 2011
8:59 pm
And nobody in his family approved, so I’m sure there was some “F you”-ing in the decision also
BFChris27
December 16th, 2011
9:10 pm
McFann O O o
I think so too
Since Christmas is gonna be hard for us on both an emotional and financial scale, doing something like this helps a lot.
MIBravesFan
December 16th, 2011
9:13 pm
When I first got home tonight I was in a mood to ask for everyone on the blog’s Top 10 “blow off steam” songs. Although I’m much calmer now, it still seems like a good idea.
Tomahawkin
December 16th, 2011
9:17 pm
MIBravesFan
Blow off Steam Songs???
Anything by Crowbar, Pantera, Slayer, and old Three 6 Mafia, And Throw In some old T.I. “Why You Wanna” If your dealing with shady women…
Bat Masterson
December 16th, 2011
9:19 pm
Bonds isn’t even serving his time, yet. Judge delayed it.
Does that mean he can’t go home?
Steve from OH
December 16th, 2011
9:20 pm
THawkin’–Pantera, eh? How ’bout this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyBIE42HKpg
Bet that was a helluva show…
Bat Masterson
December 16th, 2011
9:21 pm
Vol 4 already, huh? Looks like you are digging it Bat
Yeah, nolie, I am.
MIBravesFan
December 16th, 2011
9:21 pm
I’m definitely not, Tomahawkin! I mean in general or work-related “TGIF” sort of “blow off steam” songs.
MIBravesFan
December 16th, 2011
9:23 pm
“Bat Masterson
December 16th, 2011
9:19 pm
Bonds isn’t even serving his time, yet. Judge delayed it.
Does that mean he can’t go home?”
That might actually constitute punishment, strange concept though that may be in this case, apparently.
Tomahawkin
December 16th, 2011
9:24 pm
MIBravesFan
December 16th, 2011
9:21 pm
I’m definitely not, Tomahawkin! I mean in general or work-related “TGIF” sort of “blow off steam” songs.
Oh, My Bad Bro…
You want TGIF Songs…?
Uggh Check Out My Club Jamz Playlist on youtube??? Tomahawkin17
Soulja Boy’s “Turn My Swag On! Song was Sooo Good They Played it In Philly when J-Roll would come to bat….
richbrave
December 16th, 2011
9:26 pm
It’s time for TOM o’
Got another one if you like swing from the thirties and forties. PAROV STELAR, Austrian-born, has been fusing swing with jazz and funk. Try CAT GROOVE for starters if you like the idea.
richbrave
December 16th, 2011
9:29 pm
TnBrian
December 16th, 2011
7:43 pm
History channel has some good shows. I like Pawn Stars and American Restoration where they fix up random stuff like cars to old air flight signs.
Eh? Porn Stars on the History Channel you say.
MIBravesFan
December 16th, 2011
9:30 pm
richbrave – thanks
MIBravesFan
December 16th, 2011
9:31 pm
I think . . . .
Bat Masterson
December 16th, 2011
9:32 pm
That might actually constitute punishment, strange concept though that may be in this case, apparently. _ MIBF
Yeah, poor guy might have to stay at some luxury hotel or something.
He can go go home, I guess, but it will not count as time served.
richbrave
December 16th, 2011
9:32 pm
TOM O’HAWKIN’:
That 195 Lbs by Nightmares on Wax was my fave from last night though.
richbrave
December 16th, 2011
9:34 pm
MiBraveFan;
You like alternative and progressive jazz too?
TnBrian
December 16th, 2011
9:35 pm
richbrave, pornhub has that
MIBravesFan
December 16th, 2011
9:36 pm
“Bat Masterson
December 16th, 2011
9:32 pm
That might actually constitute punishment, strange concept though that may be in this case, apparently. _ MIBF
Yeah, poor guy might have to stay at some luxury hotel or something.
He can go go home, I guess, but it will not count as time served.”
Poor guy indeed!
Trey
December 16th, 2011
9:36 pm
Bat, you know if that was either one of us, we’d be serving time.
richbrave
December 16th, 2011
9:38 pm
MiBravesFan:
If you want to blow off steam, get mellow with the weed-head group NIGHTMARES on WAX. Steady tokers, man. Try that 195 Lbs for starters, and check out the disc cover. Seriously bummed man, like ‘Up in Smoke’ CHEECH and CHONG stuff.
Tomahawkin
December 16th, 2011
9:39 pm
MIBravesFan
Old Camp Lo “Luchini, AKA This Is It!” Is like the Best Friday song ever! (1996)
An old track that got Slept On when It came out…Mainstream America Doesn’t know nothing about old Camp Lo
richbrave
December 16th, 2011
9:48 pm
TnBrian
December 16th, 2011
9:35 pm
richbrave, pornhub has that
Uh, pornhub? Que pasa? What’s pornhub? You young guys know all about the sex-gig. I’m old, I donn no knothing about dat!
Bat Masterson
December 16th, 2011
9:49 pm
Yeah, Trey. No doubt about it.
richbrave
December 16th, 2011
9:51 pm
TnBrian
December 16th, 2011
9:52 pm
Just a porn site, rich. Uh, or what a guy told me at work a while back. I think it’s the name of the site. :blush:
richbrave
December 16th, 2011
9:56 pm
GOTCHA’. Now how would I know that……humm?
Trey
December 16th, 2011
9:59 pm
“GOTCHA’. Now how would I know that……humm?”
You got too much time on your hands?????
richbrave
December 16th, 2011
10:01 pm
My wife’s grandfather had a saying in Spanish, but translated it is, “Your eyes never grow old.” Heh!
richbrave
December 16th, 2011
10:03 pm
10B:
M-a-a-ay-y-y-be!
ColoradoBravesFan
December 16th, 2011
10:22 pm
DOB,
I think 2 cheap years of a 25 yr old All-Star starting pitcher with a career ERA of 3.40 is worth at least a career .264/.320/.435 SS. I think 3 yrs of Hardy’s career .756 OPS is close to equal of 2 years of JJ.
The thought was O’s need pitching are not going to compete in the next 2-3 yrs while Hatdy is there. O’s need JJ more than a SS no matter how good.
richbrave
December 16th, 2011
10:28 pm
MANNY MACHADO is in the wings, their top prospect and SS of the future. 2013 should see him close to ML ready.
nolie
December 16th, 2011
10:31 pm
I think 2 cheap years of a 25 yr old All-Star starting pitcher with a career ERA of 3.40 is worth at least a career .264/.320/.435 SS. I think 3 yrs of Hardy’s career .756 OPS is close to equal of 2 years of JJ.
well yeah if he had been healthy all season, no doubt. Gonna be a little hard to find a GM who is gonna trade a quality player for a pitcher who has spent the last third of the last two seasons on the DL, and has done nothing but throw 5 innings with a brace since then
Not a good way to keep your job if you give up a lot for said pitcher and he does the same thing again.
ColoradoBravesFan
December 16th, 2011
10:31 pm
How the H… did Asdrubal hit 25 homeruns last season. His 25 HRs last year is like 40% more than his first 4 seasons (18) combined.
Hardy OPS .756
TULO OPS .869
nolie
December 16th, 2011
10:35 pm
Asdrubal has been kinda like a yoyo so far
103/92/114/89/119 so far in OPS+.
nolie
December 16th, 2011
10:37 pm
Kinda like the old What’s My Line tv show.
Will the REAL Asdrubal please stand up?
MIBravesFan
December 16th, 2011
10:37 pm
Good to see the blog back to normal. Silly me for asking a music question on a Friday night.
nolie
December 16th, 2011
10:38 pm
yup silly you, always causing trouble………
ColoradoBravesFan
December 16th, 2011
10:40 pm
Nolie… I believe this is the type of gamble the new O’s GM should take. Hardy and his .756 OPS is not going to help the O’s compete in the next 2-3 years. Take a buy low gamble on JJ. If he really is a solid number 2, he should prove it next season and then they could try and buy out some free agent years with a team friendly contract.
JJ might not be the right starting pitcher to take on this gamble with Borass as his agent. But the O’s GM should be looking to sell high on Hardy, buy low on a starting pitcher with years before FA or who they can keep/extend till they can compete.
Just an opinion… no issues if Hardy stays in Baltimore and Pastornicky opens as SS with Braves.
ColoradoBravesFan
December 16th, 2011
10:46 pm
MIBravesFan,
I have a 7 yr old daughter, so only songs I get are Justin Bieber and commercials. But I do get revenge … I keep singing Rocket Man from some car commercial, and the whole family hates me right now.
I’m a rocket man….. burning out his fuse up here alone….
ColoradoBravesFan
December 16th, 2011
10:46 pm
alone….