1:12 am December 14, 2011, by David O'Brien
December 16th, 201112:04 am
not a ryan guy, but he can manage a offense.
ryan is not a guy that can extend a play. but when inside his first checkdown or even the second he is real good.
December 16th, 201112:05 am
Look at all the people I got to show up!
December 16th, 201112:06 am
Hello, Mr. Noles
Braves sign Ludwick and Cedeno. and win the WS.
December 16th, 201112:07 am
hello Thomas, whats the haps?
December 16th, 201112:09 am
I was walking past my puter and I heard this really sultry voice saying to visit the blog. So that was cab huh? I shoulda suspected
Look at all the people I got to show up! — cabravesfan
I’m glad to see it’s not just, ME, that is under your spell.
I have no idea what you are talking about (VJ just got home)
December 16th, 201112:10 am
not that you need to know but tnbrian?
simple target. can you imagine.
December 16th, 201112:12 am
BAS, has his targets. sometimes BRAVA.
December 16th, 201112:13 am
(VJ just got home)
Man, that’s like a cold shower!!
December 16th, 201112:14 am
cab, i still believe brava thinks you or vj got thawkin banned.
December 16th, 201112:15 am
was out watching the new Sherlock Holmes movie. Not bad, perhaps better than the first one, but not really great either.
December 16th, 201112:17 am
My laptop seems to be saying, “Wayne, quit listening to that Tower of Power and get on the blog………”
December 16th, 201112:19 am
okay, my opinion on the braves. keep jjj and prado.
Wasn’t either one of us. I wasn’t even involved in that whole discussion. And I know it wasn’t VJ.
December 16th, 201112:20 am
cab, i still believe brava thinks you or vj got thawkin banned.
uga-brave, if that was possible for a poster to ban another poster, there’d be no one left here. (other than me & maybe, McFann)
musta been that damn nolie……
What kind of reception does Prime Time get at the Dome? The Birds looked very good tonight, wish they could do it every week. Julio caught 2 tough balls, I wanted A.J. but I guess Julio will do.
December 16th, 201112:21 am
McFann for certain, not so sure about you Tom………
December 16th, 201112:25 am
ken. as a dawg. we tried to trade up for him.
that said julio has the bigger body.
4.36. showed on that first touchdown.
Been off the grid for the most part for the past few days. Just peeked in a couple of times.
What’s the latest rumblings?
December 16th, 201112:26 am
You may be right, nolie, but consider the, possible, favoritism of the author.
December 16th, 201112:27 am
ken, primetime still gets welcomed.
gotta tell a bunch of you the demographics of the falcons game.
they love a winner. but they still love vick.
December 16th, 201112:28 am
uga: yes, I know we tried to get AJ. I thought we payed too much for Julio, but maybe not. Time will tell.
December 16th, 201112:29 am
According to reliable baseball sources; nothing is happening.
According to some of the blog denizens: the entire team is being traded, released, or DFA’d.
December 16th, 201112:30 am
dont get all this trade thing. keep martin.
line them up. play ball.
December 16th, 201112:31 am
I’m off to bed- good night all!
(night Tom )
December 16th, 201112:32 am
well I’d vote for you to stay, for the right price.
after all I Gotta live up to my rep that my “good friend” TnB gave me
December 16th, 201112:33 am
wow that happened fast after VJ got home. s’picious if you ask me………
December 16th, 201112:34 am
ken, the future picks we gave away will tell the difference.
our defense led by, what i think BVG is a defensive coach.
Good night, cabravesfan. It’s been fun.
December 16th, 201112:36 am
You took the thoughts right out of my head, nolie.
December 16th, 201112:41 am
I’m still here…
December 16th, 201112:43 am
vj, trouble with tribbles?
Really? hurts being replaced by a machine doesn’t it VJ?
December 16th, 201112:44 am
December 16th, 201112:45 am
vj, old star trek was the best.
movie wise. THE wrath of khan.
December 16th, 201112:48 am
uga-brave – the local station removed Star Trek from the 10:00 slot, so I have not gotten to play name that episode for a while…
NO MORE WREN
I don’t get the fans that hate to see players go that don’t perform. This is a business. Not a redneck BBQ. Conrad cost Bobby a chance at another ring and then didn’t shine off the bench in 2011. I’m glad to see the Braves dropping dead weight.
Might be wise to ignore nolie’s comment…
December 16th, 201112:49 am
I’m still here… — Venice Jim
Great!! As if this blog needs any more bad news.
December 16th, 201112:51 am
I’d stick with Khan…
Unless you mean Roger…
December 16th, 201112:53 am
Hello, Tom – don’t expect to be here long – need to get up early tomorrow because…well, whether I want to or not, I will undoubtedly get up early…
loved the old star trek. bones and scotty.
giving it all i can. jim.,
just an old country doctor.
December 16th, 201112:55 am
I didn’t start watching it until the first night it was ever on TV…
December 16th, 201112:56 am
My first post, tonight, was addressed to you. It was in response to one of your posts, addressed to me. Near the top of the last page, I believe.
I just don’t want you to think that your, “Tom O”, posts go unnoticed.
December 16th, 201112:57 am
Thanks for pointing that out – just went back to look…
December 16th, 201112:58 am
December 16th, 201112:59 am
tom, blog has got stale.
tough to keep chewing through the same thing everyday.
fact is trade or no trade this offense revolves around that rf guy.
if heyward hits no problem.
December 16th, 20111:00 am
For those keeping score, the Washington Post beat the New York Times with their respective 3 page obituaries posted for Christopher Hitchens less than an hour after his death was reported…I’m always intrigued to see how quickly newspapers are ready for these things…
December 16th, 20111:01 am
Watching Bing sing some little-known Christmas-ditty in Holiday Inn…
December 16th, 20111:04 am
anders, did you watch the hbo thing about the rangers and philly?
And, after those random comments, I will dim the Christmas lights and head off…
Good night, Tom and uga! (and, undoubtedly, Ward in the near future)…
December 16th, 20111:05 am
The Braves can’t give up on Heyward, at least, not yet. Besides Heyward, the Braves need Prado & McCann to be healthy and return to form. Having a 2nd half, Uggla, for the whole season, would really help out too.
vj, are you a fan of BOSS?
kelsey grammer should be up for an emmy.
December 16th, 20111:06 am
Good night, Jim.
Oh, and if he misses it, I’ll tell, Ward, you said good night.
tom, i want to play with the hand we are dealt.
December 16th, 20111:08 am
uga – really enjoyed Boss – just finished the last episode today. Kelsey was nominated for a Golden Globe – I suspect an Emmy nomination is likely, but they’re 9 months away…
December 16th, 20111:09 am
tom, i know people are itching for a trade, but no reason.
prado will hit. probably will hit better then anyone we acquire.
December 16th, 20111:14 am
vj, gus vansandt directed most of it “good will hunting”.
really good stuff.
December 16th, 20111:15 am
tom, i want to play with the hand we are dealt.
It’s not a bad hand, uga, IMO.
In April, it was poor-fair. In September, it was horrible.
For the other 4 months, it was about the best in baseball.
I can’t see making major changes because of one bad month, that was aided with injuries.
December 16th, 20111:18 am
No reason, is right, uga. The people that know baseball aren’t the ones that are getting “itchy”. If Wren ever paid attention to many on here, the Braves would set new records for the worst team in baseball.
December 16th, 20111:23 am
tom, just dont see how we are better sans prado or jjj.
December 16th, 20111:28 am
now if intact we add beltran.
beltran makes too much sense. he can play right against tough lh’s
he can give bourn a day off in center.
he rotates in between rf, and lf.
so he plays 120. perfect fit.
December 16th, 20111:31 am
so if we take on that payroll, we might be able to deal later. beltran makes so much sense.
December 16th, 20111:33 am
Wren isn’t looking to trade either one. That was a rumor that started from a KC newspaper article. I think they were just looking for a story.
Wren would trade anyone, if the price is right, including his wife. But I don’t think anyone would be able to give the Braves enough to make that happen. (not sure about Mrs. Wren, though)
December 16th, 20111:35 am
Beltran, probably, needs more money than the Braves can afford, uga.
so if we blow in the first half we can deal. so why not roll the dice.
dont blame wren, smilin frank does not set the payroll.
want to blame someone. blame terry mcquirk.
December 16th, 20111:43 am
i want mcquirks job. he just nods. he is running out the clock.
cant blame him.
he is getting paid really well is my guess. so is JS.
always wondered what JS and mcquirk are drawing.
December 16th, 20111:46 am
so let us guess what kind of salary our absentee owner terry mcquirk is drawing..
December 16th, 20111:47 am
I have to go. Dinner time. Good luck with your Falcons. I’ll talk to you, soon, I hope.
December 16th, 20111:48 am
Conrad hit 220?
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December 16th, 20111:49 am
then again he signs the back of your ticket you buy.
December 16th, 20111:52 am
so why do we need terry mcquirk. seems to me JS could do that job.
pretty sure that liberty media does not care who does that job.
why both of them?
December 16th, 20111:59 am
mcquirk is the guy that answers to liberty media. he is the guy you should blame about the payroll.
not wren. wren does what he is given.
December 16th, 20112:00 am
pretty sure both are drawing a combined 4 million.
December 16th, 20112:05 am
pretty sure mcquirk is drawing more then our future backup shortstop.
then again he is the chief opperating officer of the atlanta braves.
December 16th, 20112:55 am
Hello everyone! Been searching for news,and found out that the Braves are interested in Ronnie Cedeno SS. I would accept that with Patornicky,but found nothing on J.J.,or Prado.
December 16th, 20112:58 am
Wren, should just sign Betemit,and get Ronnie Cedeno,and keep Prado.If he can’t trade Prado, more like trade J.J. instead.
December 16th, 20112:59 am
I don’t think that Baltimore trade will go through. It’s been quiet again.
December 16th, 20113:03 am
My gut is telling me that Cody Ross will sign with the Braves,but I’ve been wrong before.
December 16th, 20113:15 am
Pastornicky can do the job in my book.Ronnie Cedeno would be good too.Trade Prado,and J.J. only for a good package,and nothing else.So many things can be done.Wilson Betemit to back up Chipper Jones,Mark DeRosa back as utility guy.I really like Cody Ross addition.Baltimore trade would be O.K.I I like Raul Ibanez as LF. too.Braves can do so much,and who knows. These are just my ideas,and I like them.
December 16th, 20113:17 am
Talk later if anyone comes on? VJ have a good one!
December 16th, 20114:29 am
Well,all have a good one,and peace……
December 16th, 20116:00 am
Does anyone know how good the 2 3rd base prospects the Orioles have? Could they be targets for Wren to replace CJ?
December 16th, 20116:21 am
How in the heck can you manufacture, package, and ship a remote control for a $1?
Legume Soy of Acme Electronics has a knack for buying undervalued parts and turning them into a competitive product. There was a book written about it. “Remotes: How To Beat Sony in an Unfair Market.”
A whole society of “remote nerds” exist in Far East basements playing Fantasy Remote, because of Soy. They create obscure formulas like “catsWhisker Diode”, to calculate undervalued parts and the “Coke Spillage Test” for a part’s defensive metrics.
Word is, there was a movie deal working with Pat Morita to star as Soy, until he died in 2005. Then, the Coen Brothers just hit the off button and started looking into the Bug Zapper industry, where there was a lot more opportunity for blood.
December 16th, 20116:28 am
LHRP STEVEN KENT [3.38 ERA] 2.0 IP, 3 H, 2 R/ER, 2 BB, 12 BF…52 p/ 31 S, 5 GO/ 2 AO.
No game scheduled.
Lead-off CF JOSE ‘George’ CONSTANZA [.275 BA] 0-4, 1 BB.
1B MAURO ‘45′ GOMEZ [.175 BA] 1-4.
C WILKIN CASTILLO [.253 BA] 1-5, 1 BB, 1 SB off CASTILLO [one of many].
RHRP CRISTIAN MARTINEZ [H 3, 3.46 ERA] 0.1 IP, pristine, 1 BF, 1 GO/ 0 AO.
1B DONEL LINARES [.344 BA] 0-4, 2 SO.
RF BRAIHIAM MALDONADO [.136 BA] 0-4, hat trick! Stinkeroo!!!!
RF STEFAN GARTRELL [.217 BA] 1-4, 1 SO.
C JOSE YEPEZ [.208 BA] 0-1.
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.280 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR , 1 RBI , 1 BB, 1 SO.
December 16th, 20116:45 am
SS RONNIE CEDENO [.273 BA] 1-4, 1 2B .
December 16th, 20117:00 am
From Bill Shanks:
Panic is not something an executive for a major league baseball team should have. He is supposed to be calm and proactive, not reactive.
Leave it to the fans to be in panic mode, and I believe the fans of the Atlanta Braves are doing just that.
It’s December 16, and the Braves have only traded away a big contract for a minor league reliever and plucked another minor league reliever off the Rule V scrapheap. That’s not exactly something that will send people to their phones to buy season tickets to put in their Christmas stocking.
Usually by now the Braves have done something, at least something more than send Derek Lowe packing to save $5 million bucks. But while other teams in the NL East have improved, the Braves have been silent.
It’s not from a lack of trying. I firmly believe general manager Frank Wren is talking with teams about trades and maybe even talking with a minor free agent or two.
But this is a team that choked in September. There is no other way to put it. The had a huge lead in the wildcard, only to collapse and watch the St. Louis Cardinals pass them all the way to a World Series title.
So where is the commitment to make this team better? Where is ownership promising fans it won’t happen again?
Instead, we’re left to wonder if Wren simply has no funds to work with. He said earlier in the offseason the payroll is going up, but how can we believe that when other players are signing elsewhere?
Take Josh Willingham. Now I’m not going to pretend that he would have even been my favorite target for the Braves. But he is a right-hander power hitter who has averaged 22 home runs per season in the last six years and hit 29 bombs a year ago. Willingham is from Huntsville, and he’s never held back on his desire to be a Brave one day.
Yet Willingham signed a three-year contract with the Twins for $21 million dollars – an average of only $7 million per season.
OK, maybe the Braves didn’t have interest in Willingham, even though I’ve been told in the past they did have interest in him. Maybe they didn’t want to commit three years to him? Or maybe they just don’t have the money to offer that type of contract?
Would Willingham be better for left field than Martin Prado? Well, if you value power, yes. Prado is not a power hitter, and he showed last year he’s more suitable offensively for second base than left field. He can play left field, but he’s really a second baseman playing left instead of being a left fielder.
Put Willingham in the Atlanta lineup and I think you’d see an improvement. He’d make a pretty good right-handed power-hitting duo with Dan Uggla, and they could have complimented left-handed hitters Brian McCann, Freddie Freeman and hopefully Jason Heyward.
But instead, we’re led to believe that a combination of Prado and Matt Diaz will do the job for 2012.
Prado needs to be traded. Again, he’s a second baseman who can play left field. If the Braves are not going to commit to him for the long-term, they need to trade him now. He’s a free agent in two years, and waiting until next offseason would only lessen his value.
Jair Jurrjens also needs to be traded. He’s in the same boat as Prado, in that he’s a free agent in two years. Jurrjens is represented by Scott Boras, so there is no way he’ll sign long-term here. Trade him now why you can get value for him.
Sure, there’s worry about the rotation. They’re not sure about Tim Hudson and Tommy Hanson. But the depth is there to not worry about it. They have Brandon Beachy, Mike Minor, Julio Teheran and Randall Delgado.
That’s a young group, but it’s talented. And if you’re leaving Kris Medlen out of your 2012 rotation discussion, don’t. He’s going to be back and will compete for starts this season. And that alone should give Wren enough confidence to trade Jurrjens, despite the health questions of the other veterans.
When a team chokes like the Braves did, it’s not a bad idea to shake things up a bit. Sure, you could make the argument that before the collapse they were one of the best four teams in the game. But the collapse should tell you that you’ve got to get better to avoid it happening again.
It’s hard, however, when you see the other teams in the division make moves to improve on what they had in 2011. The Phillies have added Ty Wigginton, Jim Thome and Jonathan Papelbon. The Marlins have added Jose Reyes and Mark Buehrle. Those two teams could be better next season than they were last year, and where does that leave the inactive Braves?
Michael Cuddyer is out there. You can’t tell me he wouldn’t be valuable to the Braves. Cuddyer can hit for power from the right side. He can play all over the diamond. You could have him in left field, and then if you needed someone to play third for Chipper Jones, Cuddyer could slide right in.
Instead, we hear the Twins and Rockies are battling for his services for a contract similar to what Willingham got from Minnesota.
Heck, the Braves even got outbid for Nick Punto, a reserve infielder they were reportedly interested in. He signed with Boston for two years and $3 million dollars.
That’s evidently just too expensive for a franchise that is owned by a multi-billion dollar media company that doesn’t seem to give a damn about this team.
Management could argue that I’m wrong, and that Liberty Media does care. But how many Liberty Media executives do we see sitting in what is known as Ted Turner’s box in Atlanta? How many statements have we had from Liberty Media that they are fully committed to bringing a World Series back to Atlanta?
Zero is the answer to both questions. Zip. Nada. None.
Look, things can change in an instant. A conversation that Wren has been having about a trade could result in a deal in a heartbeat. But after going through baseball hell in September and seeing the team fall apart, the Atlanta
World Be Free
December 16th, 20117:15 am
Let’s face it-the Braves are a solid second class organization, nothing better. no moves so far and few really planned for the future other than cutting payroll. Once a BMW, now a Chevy-that’s the Braves.
Scott from Fairburn
December 16th, 20118:13 am
Ken Rosenthal is reporting that yes indeed Frank Wren has a budget he has to work from. Jon Heyman is reporting that the Braves 90 million dollar payroll is by far not the lowest in MLB.
Finally Stu from Lawrenceville posted a status update in his Facebook account that he has confirmed that Martin Prado is not a shortstop
December 16th, 20118:42 am
Trade options: Gio Gonzalez, John Danks, Jair Jurrjens, Wade Davis, Matt Garza, Wandy Rodriguez
Posting: Yu Darvish
Free agents: Roy Oswalt, Edwin Jackson, Hiroki Kuroda, Joe Saunders
Teams: New York, Boston, Toronto, Baltimore, Detroit, Minnesota, Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Chicago, Cincinnati, Miami, Washington
Still somewhat shocked that it’s 12/16 and two starting pitchers of significance have been traded: Jonathan Sanchez and Trevor Cahill.
December 16th, 20118:55 am
I think a lot of teams looking for pitching were waiting on Darvish. I expect the wheeling & dealing of pitchers will start next Tuesday after the bid is announced.
December 16th, 20119:05 am
Lemke’s, you’re probably right and it sounds like the Jays won the bidding on Yu.
Darvish, Romero, Morrow, Cecil, and Henderson Alverez is a pretty good rotation for the Blue Jays. And they’ve got plenty more pitching on the way(Drew Hutchinson, Deck McGuire, Chad Jenkins, Asher W., Justin Nicolino).
December 16th, 20119:21 am
Shanks sounds an awful lot like Ward.
December 16th, 20119:25 am
i think its kind of funny that shanks has conceeded even 2nd place tot he marlins, because they added reyes and burhle. alot still has to go right for them, in my opinion.
December 16th, 20119:29 am
Yes, Toronto has some very good young pitching, but they play in the same division as the top two spending teams in baseball (Yanks and Sox) and the most talented team in baseball (Rays). Sucks for them.
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