1:12 am December 14, 2011, by David O'Brien
December 15th, 20113:17 pm
I think there are a few older posters, perhaps nolie and Lew come to mind the quickest , whose health issues probably add to their irritability a lot. High blood pressure, constant pain and worry, diabetic complications etc can’t make for a peaceful easy feeling I’m sure.
December 15th, 20113:18 pm
“10/254 for Prince?”
Wow. In what parallel universe is Prince Fielder as good a player as Albert Pujols?
So Prince is 4 years younger and a career .280/.390/.540/.930
Albert is obviously 4 years older and a career .330/.420/.620/.1040
I can see how those guys are eerily similar. Especially since Albert is a better base-runner and defender.
December 15th, 20113:19 pm
By the way, Wayne, I’m keeping an eye on URRE. Its been between .50 and 1.50 in the past couple of months, .78 right now, trending down. Uranium mining stock.
BC – after katrina it was 2-3 times a week
Prado has limited range at 2B and 3B, he is only average at those 2 positions which are his “good” positions.
At 1B he is below average.
At SS, he would be the worst without a doubt in the major leagues. Maybe AAA and AA as well.
The Braves have said repeatedly that Prado is not and will not play SS.
Good try, it would be great if it would work, but not. going. to. happen.
December 15th, 20113:20 pm
Bat – I’m not really into waxing anything, although as I age, I do have to do more and more trimming of hair on various facial appendages, but hey…it’s his face and his money, so have at it, I say.
Bay Area Steve
“He has better than average range (at ss).”
“If you believe this, well then Jed, I don’t even want to know you.”
December 15th, 20113:21 pm
Bat, I’m doing well myself. Flying home in a few minutes.
I see that many on the blog tried to convince you that Prado is not a major league quality SS. A shortstop needs good hands, good range and a strong arm.
The throws from second and third are much shorter than the throws from SS in the hole. Much shorter. And most infielders started out in HS or equivalent ball as the SS.
Prado is an average at best second and third baseman, with somewhat limited range for those positions. He’d be totally lost at SS. Totally lost. Besides, if it were possible for him to play SS, then why wouldn’t the Braves have already given up on a backup for Pastornicky? They know more than most of us bloggers.
By continuing to suggest that Prado could handle some SS only shows how little you truly know about the nuances of the game.
Prado is rated as an above average third baseman from the numbers I’ve seen anyway
You think Prince could’ve used steroids?
December 15th, 20113:22 pm
“I can think of parts of me that I’d wax before my eyebrows.”
BC Brave – We old guys just enjoy being a bit grouchy. It’s the inner curmudgeon comming out. We’ve earned that right.
December 15th, 20113:23 pm
DS1- I agree with ypur 3:21 post on Prado.
December 15th, 20113:24 pm
No snow in Utah yet. Really wish it would, it’s like falling money!!!
December 15th, 20113:25 pm
“We old guys just enjoy being a bit grouchy. It’s the inner curmudgeon comming out. We’ve earned that right.”
I agree with this, but dammit. I’m not as old, and haven’t earned the right. How do I get away with it?
December 15th, 20113:26 pm
Slow time of the year for the ladies so they were happy to have something to do and he was smiling when I left, a good thing all around.
I’ll do a little research this when I land later tonight.
Those other areas of the face with every increasing hair are a pain in the azz.
December 15th, 20113:27 pm
Sorry that not much else is happening? I’m waiting just like everyone else. All hang in there,and I’m sure Wren, will make something happen. Talk later my friends,and peace……
BAS – We could always make you an honorary grouch, but don’t abuse it.
December 15th, 20113:28 pm
That might be part of it raleigh, but regular pain and high blood pressure both bring out the worst in most people pretty quickly
December 15th, 20113:30 pm
Re: Willingham … Braves wouldn’t give him the three-years he wanted. Better just prepare ourselves for a LF platoon for ‘12 because Wren can’t/won’t spend the money to get an everyday player. sighhhhhhhhhhhh
The Five team looking at Beltran are: St. Loius,Rockies,Blue jays,Boston,Baltimore and don’t discard the Phillies. If i going to guess the Team of the East Coast has the more chance to sign him, because he already said that he will like to stay in the East Coast becuase he want to keep close eye in his Baseball Academy in Puerto rico.
December 15th, 20113:32 pm
DS! I’ve always wondered, how does one celebrate diversity?
and why would you celebrate a large wooden ship, used during the civil war?
December 15th, 20113:34 pm
why would you celebrate a large wooden ship, used during the civil war? @DAP
just to be different
December 15th, 20113:41 pm
STORM WATCH! Yes- every time there is a drizzle…or the hint of a drizzle
December 15th, 20113:42 pm
I find it hard to come up with a reason that Baltimore would be in on Beltran
December 15th, 20113:45 pm
I’ve always wondered, how does one celebrate diversity?
I don’t know about anyone else but I celebrate with Sly and the Family Stone
And different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on and scooby dooby doo-bee
December 15th, 20113:51 pm
The folks up here in the Seattle area are hoping for Yu Darvish. They were coming up with a lot of funny tag lines:
We love Yu
Yu light up my life
Just Yu and me kid (Bogart accent)
Whassa madda wich Yu?
December 15th, 20113:55 pm
BCBrave: I agree. Makes absolutely no sense. Beltran is a gimp on the downslope of his career. Adam Jones is just hitting his prime. Mkes more sense for them to take a run at Darvish, or have signed Beuhrle. Unless they hate paying big bucks for pitchers and prefer to get them on the relative cheap, like a JJ for AJones trade permutation.
too tender brooks conrad is the most stupid thing i ever read. however you just can’t fix stupid.
December 15th, 20113:56 pm
One of the main selling points of Fielder is one of the main things that scare me about him: his durability. He’s averaged 160 games a season since he became a full-time player. I can only think of a few pre-PED era players (Aaron at 39, Mays at 40 etc.) who found ways to be All-Star level players into their late 30’s and at 5′11″ and 275 lbs, I wouldn’t bet $20m a year that Fielder is the next Mays or Aaron. The Adrian Gonzalez deal seems like a good comp to me. I wouldn’t got much past it if I were a GM.
December 15th, 20113:57 pm
Bat, wanna celebrate REAL diversity in all its unfettered female glory?
Come down to South Miami Beach, brutha. Makes Baskin-Robbins look like a neopolitan box.
McFann O O o
December 15th, 20113:59 pm
ISH Where does everyone stand on re-signing BMac when the time comes?
I’m for it…
too tender brooks conrad is the most stupid thing i ever read. however you just can’t fix stupid.
Where did you read this?
I’m sure Mr. Conrad is a very nice person, most people are. But my idea about not bringing back Conrad last season was precisely the reasons you gave for bringing him back. Remember, Conrad was always known as a no-bat-all-glove ballplayer with grit. The fact that he put up good clutch numbers at the plate told me he hit waaaaay beyond his abilities that season and had nowhere to go but down, like he did. The fact that he cost us a playoff win all by himself with his GLOVE just cemented his fate as to not return to the Braves again. To win a WS it takes several players on your team having career years in that season, especially a team built on the cheap like the Braves are. I would not ever expected anyone to think that we could have captured lightning in a bottle twice with Brooks Conrad.
That’s just a phrase that has always puzzled me. While I appreciate and support diversity and equality, I celebrate success!
And I celebrate with Three Dog Night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXI6CdTVJ-0
And most of us are paid on success, not diversity.
December 15th, 20114:01 pm
Joey M (I got my name from when I was in the Backstreet Boys) – When did I mention trading our catcher?
ray, that’s just heartless. There’s a good chance he may not be picked up by another club at his age. He’s facing the possible end of his career. Now he’s gotta make plans for his family’s future.
Aparently, you’re not big on counting your own blessings, so you can have relative compassion for your fellow man’s plight. Guess you missed that day in pre-school.
December 15th, 20114:02 pm
MR Remember, Conrad was always known as a no-bat-all-glove ballplayer with grit.
you have that completely backwards. and check his minor league numbers if you dont believe me. nobody thought that he couldnt hit.
Ward – What makes you think Prince used steroids? All that muscle mass?
December 15th, 20114:04 pm
Lew When did I mention trading our catcher?
Prolly never…you’re too smart to pull a stunt like that…
December 15th, 20114:05 pm
He’s still productive and an AS catcher. Is he a lynchpin? No. However, is he worth Joe Mauer money? Yes. Will he get it from the Braves?
December 15th, 20114:06 pm
McFann – You know it never happened. We’ve just had some confused youth on here this morning. He was full of all sorts of weird notions.
December 15th, 20114:07 pm
I didn’t think he would hit all that well in the majors, and he really hasn’t except for some isolated dramatics. His last few years at AAA before the Braves signed him he averaged about a 245 batting average. He also was a bad fielder, so the impression most had was that he just was not a very good player at all and that is why he stayed in the minors so long
December 15th, 20114:09 pm
No matter how good Brooks was or wasn’t, he certainly brought some late inning excitement to the 2010 season. He’s responsible for at least one moment that will go down in Braves’ history.
December 15th, 20114:10 pm
After seeing those butt ugly tatoos, I am glad the Braves parted with Moylan.
December 15th, 20114:11 pm
I highly doubt he would be asking for Joe Mauer money…no one ever said he would…
Some people take it all too seriously…I should know—I started down that path myself…
December 15th, 20114:12 pm
Moylan is a tatted-up monster! Hope his shoulder recovers as well as it possibly can. He’s an awesome dude, and when he was right, an out machine. Hope he recovers enough to be a Brave once again.
To be honest, none of these guys should be worth Joe Mauer money, but that’s what they’re getting, so what cann ya do…?
The blog is all over the place. Half the posts are deadpan humor–i.e., the opposite of the writer’s feeling. The other half are people yelling at each other. Everybody is going nuts because we have no idea what is going on. It’s like when your shrink says, “And how do you feel about that?,” and we just say the first thing that pops into our head. We feel better if we can talk, even if what we say is completely hare-brained.
DOB, are you even licensed to do group therapy?
Yep,I’ve been there, but I spent more time at my friends stilt house in Biscayne Bay.
December 15th, 20114:13 pm
yes as I said, some isolated dramatics. Even the worse players succeed at times in stretches, and I’m not saying he was the worst, just not particularly good at anything except grittiness
December 15th, 20114:14 pm
McFann, if he does not ask for Mauer money, it will still be up there, and the Cubs, Yankees, or BoSox will sign him for that amount.
And I celebrate with Three Dog Night
Ha, bell bottom jeans that cover your whole shoe, love it.
December 15th, 20114:15 pm
and when he was right, an out machine. @MiaBch
never against left handers. his numbers were atrocious against left handers
Maybe. But he wants to stay here, so unless the Braves just refuse to offer him a deal, I can’t see him going somewhere else…
miabchbravesfan However, is he worth Joe Mauer money? Yes.
joe mauer isnt even worth joe mauer money. by the way, i dont think mccann is going to make $23mil per year from anyone. for mauer it was a big time over pay.
bravefaninBC I didn’t think he would hit all that well in the majors, and he really hasn’t except for some isolated dramatics
brooks conrad only does one thing really well on a MLB field. he hits for power. he has a pretty good eye, too, but his thing is big power. that leads to the “dramatics” you are talking about. when he gets hits, they tend to be big ones.
“too tender brooks conrad is the most stupid thing i ever read. however you just can’t fix stupid.”
Is this irony? I always struggle with irony.
December 15th, 20114:17 pm
He should sigh before he’s a FA, anyway—as Mrs. Pujols cann tell you, “free agency is just so stressful”…
December 15th, 20114:18 pm
Felis – I’s gladly take Josh Hamilton (Raleigh boy, I might add), no matter how many tatoos he has, and where they are located.
December 15th, 20114:19 pm
Felis = Felix
But look at his major league stats, everyone knew he couldn’t hit in the bigs. That’s why he stayed in the minors so long.
December 15th, 20114:23 pm
MR But look at his major league stats, everyone knew he couldn’t hit in the bigs. That’s why he stayed in the minors so long.
i dont think so. i think it was a combination of him being blocked at the major league level, and struggling on defense, and later on it was because he didnt have a position and was an old “prospect”. again, his best quality was power. he did plenty of that in the minors and the majors.
Coach (2011 Fredi G. FAILED)
December 15th, 20114:30 pm
There’s “no way” Adam Jones is going to Atlanta for Jair Jurrjens, an Orioles spokesperson says.
AAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!!!!!
December 15th, 20114:35 pm
Is this irony? I always struggle with irony. _ BAS
I would say yes, but it begs the question: intentional or unintentional.
December 15th, 20114:39 pm
The Braves are among the teams interested in free agent shortstop Ronny Cedeno, according to David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (on Twitter). The Peter E. Greenberg & Associates client has been on Atlanta’s backup shortstop and utility list all offseason, O’Brien reports.
Excuse me while I throw up……..
YACK, HURL, SPEW, BARF, PUKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 15th, 20114:41 pm
December 15th, 20114:42 pm
Looks like all the veteran Shorstops are being picked up. I’m getting pretty impatient considering were talking about bench players. Does it really take this long to sign a Ronny Cedeno or Jack Wilson type player? I mean none of them are much better or worse than each other. Also I read the Braves and O’s have had some trade talk. Who would they be interested in on that roster? They wont trade Adam Jones or Markakis, dont see much there than can help this team in 2012.
December 15th, 20114:48 pm
Coach discovered his thesaurus today.
December 15th, 20114:50 pm
VaBravesFan Does it really take this long to sign a Ronny Cedeno or Jack Wilson type player?
yall, have you noticed the deals these guys are getting? multiyear contracts. wren aint gonna do that, thus the hold up. wren is sticking to his guns and the players are still shopping for two years somewhere. i guarantee you thats whats going on.
December 15th, 20114:51 pm
Coach is a paleontologist?? Wow..
December 15th, 20115:00 pm
Any thought on Tyler Pastornicky? Looks like he’ll be starting.
Like him, chance to be a solid-average regular. No power, but can play short, good approach, adds value through baserunning.
December 15th, 20115:01 pm
That can’t be an actual quote, everybody knows that KLaw hates the Braves
Jim (Hartford, CT)
Is Seth Smith, Tim Wheeler and Josh Rutledge a fair haul for Jair Jurrjens?
I don’t think so. More quantity than quality.
December 15th, 20115:02 pm
hey, two Law quotes in a row that I agree with
Jason (Atlanta, GA)
Please answer one question on Andrelton Simmons! Is he a SS long term?
Yes. Question is the bat. Plus range and arm.
December 15th, 20115:03 pm
OK, Felix navidad to you too.
December 15th, 20115:05 pm
We are banking on someone that has the chance to be an average shortstop? The CHANCE!? Can’t we just go get someone that IS an average shortstop at least!
December 15th, 20115:09 pm
its always a chance with a propect coming up. You a fan of the Yankee approach? Ok I guess if you have the funds which the Braves don’t. And almost no shortstops that were available were “average” and even they all made more than the Braves can afford.
December 15th, 20115:14 pm
Pastornicky’s minor league lines -
Rookie ball – .263, .349, .356,
A, A+ – .269, .331, .342
A+, AA – .257, .343, ..373
AA, AAA – .314, .359, .412
I think it’s reasonable to assume he’ll hit around .260, .340, .350 – which is relatively average. He’ll steral a few bases, strike out a few more times than he’ll walk and not hit for appreciable power.
December 15th, 20115:17 pm
kl – I was just wondering how u were doing
December 15th, 20115:20 pm
there were 5 eligible NL shortstops who hit above 700 last season, the rest under and far under. so if Pastornicky can hit 690, steal a few bases and play decent defense he will be “average” at least
December 15th, 20115:21 pm
“We are banking on someone that has the chance to be an average shortstop? The CHANCE!? Can’t we just go get someone that IS an average shortstop at least!”
Yup. Just like the Braves are banking on the Chance that Heyward is the real deal and can stay healthy. Not an incredibly tough concept to grasp. Really just takes a tiny bit of common sense.
December 15th, 20115:22 pm
BraveFaninBC – I think you’ll see less dynamic defense than Gonzo last year, less power, but more consistency in getting on base and more speed on the basepaths.
December 15th, 20115:26 pm
Good call. I think Pastor will get better with the bat overtime tho. Could be a really solid lead off man in a couple seasons. Hopefully he becomes a 280/350/400 25 SB player with above average defense.
December 15th, 20115:27 pm
A tip of the cap for a Mrs.Landingham/Two Cathedrals reference.
oh I agree Lew, the defense will not compare nor the power, but even with the homers Gonzalez only OPSed 642 because of the lousy OBP.
I’ll trade homer power for some OBP at short.
Nobody is likely to replace the defense we got the last two years , though if they get Cedeno as a backup he is very good defensively
From AP News – Former Braves manager Bobby Cox didnt take it well when he was told that one of his favorite players, utility man Brooks Conrad, was being nontendered by the Braves. Informed of the business decision by his wife, Cox “heehawed violently, defecated on his mattress, and kicked the walls of his stable” , said his granddaughter, who helps care for the famous donkey during the off-season. “He is very concerned” said his granddaughter, “He heehawed in my ear and I think he was saying that the Braves wouldnt have a good late inninfg defensive player if they let Conradey go”
December 15th, 20115:31 pm
If Keith Law says he can play SS, thats a really good sign. He’s usually quick to say if a player isnt capable of playing a position well enough in the majors. Also the Good Approach comment is great too. He’s really fast to shoot guys down who dont get on base well and have a poor Strikeout/Walk rate.
December 15th, 20115:32 pm
you got a link to that Robert, or is it just more of your mind-boggling delusional idiocy about Cox?
I’m guessing that latter.
December 15th, 20115:37 pm
I agree VaBF. Keith is usually quick to point out delusional thinking. He would make short work of Robert for instance
December 15th, 20115:38 pm
wow, still cant let it go, Robert? Might as well switch to Fredi now. Same thing, right?
December 15th, 20115:40 pm
Mitchie, Robert actually pays to sponsor the Cox page at Baseball Reference just so he can post insults. There is no way he is ever going to let it go.
December 15th, 20115:43 pm
Here’s a little peak of the Top 100 posters of the year.
Rank Poster Frequency Percent Cumulative_%
76 McFann Ô Ô 1,297 0.3 59.4
77 Bay Area Steve 1,291 0.3 59.7
78 Jeff R 1,229 0.3 60.0
79 P’cola Brave 1,214 0.3 60.3
80 Fish Bisch 1,190 0.3 60.6
81 Sopheee 1,157 0.3 60.9
82 Frankie Wren 1,152 0.3 61.1
83 N Nine 1,140 0.3 61.4
84 njbraves 1,132 0.3 61.7
85 Danga 1,129 0.3 62.0
86 Dumbfound 1,096 0.3 62.2
87 Jay Dubu 1,068 0.3 62.5
88 Steve from OH 1,066 0.3 62.7
89 groundfog 1,019 0.2 63.0
90 flange1 1,009 0.2 63.2
91 AtlYnkHtr 1,003 0.2 63.5
92 MikeInFl 996 0.2 63.7
93 Ease 987 0.2 63.9
94 Just Pat 970 0.2 64.2
95 timthebrave 966 0.2 64.4
96 Carroll Rogers 938 0.2 64.6
97 Hillbilly 932 0.2 64.8
98 LAG 920 0.2 65.1
99 McFann O O o 914 0.2 65.3
100 JC from DR! (You gotta tip your cap 913___) 0.2 65.5
December 15th, 20115:46 pm
I don’t understand those rankings nor am i interested.
Just give me the total number of posts please.
December 15th, 20115:47 pm
Braveone… Wow! I made #78 in 2011 (so far). I can’t wait to see the Top 10 for 2011. I bet Lew and Efrim make that rarefied level.
December 15th, 20115:48 pm
You are right, BC. What was I thinking?
December 15th, 20115:49 pm
nolie will lead it Jeff, probably in a runaway
December 15th, 20115:56 pm
All the Wards might win.
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