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stone
December 14th, 2011
1:27 am
If I were allowed to post here I’d be first. Literally the “First” time I’ve ever posted that. and on a blog w/ Pearl Jam lyrics no less. Damn, oh well. Nobody will ever see this. feel free to “unblock” me DOB. I’m one of your biggest fans
stone
December 14th, 2011
1:28 am
well I’ll be damned. hey DOB think we can trade JJ for Ryan Braun?
Around The Horn
December 14th, 2011
1:29 am
It’s a shame to see Conrad apparently go.
ScottBravesFan
December 14th, 2011
1:36 am
Nice! Pearl Jam. I hope they tour in the U.S. next year.
ccrider
December 14th, 2011
1:41 am
DOB: I know you probably have seen the post from Ken Rosenthal about a possible deal between the Orioles and Braves. Do you think a deal of Prado, JJ and Pastornicky for Adam Jones and JJ Hardy is a equitable swap?
David O'Brien
December 14th, 2011
1:43 am
Not to fan flames, but Kenny Rosenthal wondered aloud on Twitter tonight whether Braves and Orioles might be working on a “big trade.”
I don’t know, but I asked specifically about Adam Jones today, and the reaction, or lack thereof, just gave me a feeling that it might indeed be possible they’d trade him. New O’s GM Duquette said recently he didn’t plan to trade him, but wasn’t adamant or definitive, which you’d think a GM would be coming into a new team like that with a young star player like that.
The Orioles beat writer I checked with said he didn’t think they’d trade him, but also opined that he thought they should because they’re not going to win right now, he’s going to be a free agent after 2 more seasons, and the org. is desparately in need of pitching.
Would JJ and a strong pitching prospect do it? Or JJ and Prado? I don’t know. Just speculating. I don’t know, but Braves have been conspicuously quiet, while talking here and there — as Fredi did last week — about getting a big bat. Yet they haven’t been in on any of the free-agent sluggers available, which makes me think they’ve had one or two targeted for a trade.
It’s interesting to think about, because Adam Jones would, in some ways, be a perfect fit. He could play LF this season if the Braves trade Prado, then move to CF either in 2013 or even sooner if the Braves decided to trade Bourn before the July deadline. Again, just speculating here. But Jones is the kind of player the Braves could invest in long-term, since they’d have so much money coming off the books next winter.
The O’s also have shortstop J.J. Hardy (30 HR explosion last season) signed to a deal that pays him $7 mill each of the next three seasons. If they want to keep their young outfielder and think Hardy’s trade value is higher than it’ll ever be again, maybe they’d move him? I’ve just never fully believed the Braves are content to go into the season with Pastornicky as the starting shortstop. On the other hand, I do believe them when they say they want a one-year bridge, not a three-year guy, which would rule out Hardy. He’d block Pastornicky and/or potentially SS Andrelton Simmons behind him.
Another possibility is O’s outfielder Nick Markakis, but I know in the past owner Angelos has made it pretty clear he wouldn’t let that guy be traded. Greek thing and all that, I guess. He really likes Markakis, who’s under contract for about $60 mill over the next four seasons. Jones just makes a lot more sense, to me, if the Braves are talking trade with the O’s.
We’ll see.
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ccrider
December 14th, 2011
1:48 am
DOB, it seems like Hardy would be a natural to come with him ; 3 year contract at $7 Mil. Really good defense, RHed Power would really fill the final holes on the roster.
Baseball 101
December 14th, 2011
1:52 am
DOB – I asked this question before, but probably at the wrong time.
The blog Headline is “Baseball is A Business”. I am very interested in how the Braves (an entertainment business) actually conduct their business during game days. You have mentioned over the years the various pre – game meetings that occur, but I would love to read a recap of how the Braves conduct their game – day business. Meetings? Medical staff? Advance scouts? Surely this organization has a scripted game – day process.
ccrider
December 14th, 2011
2:00 am
DOB; Hardy could always be traded when Simmons is ready
Chop Chop
December 14th, 2011
2:05 am
Well-written, multi-faceted blog there, DOB. My favorite PJ song of all-time is a live version of Black they did in Chicago in 2000. I bought the album during my interlude in the Army at Ft. Sill, OK. Great stuff.
(Oh, and count me as one who is looking forward to your Top 50.)
As for this Adam Jones business, I say we might as well trade Prado and Jurrjens for him if Duquette will do it. The trade would free up some cash for a solid infield option to spell Chipper and SS, a spot for Jones, and a place in the rotation for Medlen, Minor, etc. to fight over. Jones doesn’t get on base much, but our outfield D would be great and he does have solid HR power. He’d also be likely to produce his career year in a Braves uni.
nolie
December 14th, 2011
2:10 am
I couldn’t even come up with my top two in anything I don’t think. Bands, albums,tv shows, movies etc; that all changes back and forth from time to time
ccrider
December 14th, 2011
2:11 am
Chop Chop: Both JJ and Prado (Both former All Stars ) would be too much just for Jones(Jones only has 2 years before free agency just like Jurjjens and Prado), but if JJ. Hardy was included in would be good for both, with maybe Pastornicky and a maybe a young pitcher(not a top 6 young pitcher).
The Braves shopping would be done, except for the bench
ccrider
December 14th, 2011
2:13 am
nolie, What do you think about the Adam Jones/Hardy possibility.
nolie
December 14th, 2011
2:25 am
perhaps the trade with Baltimore would be more on the level of a Luke Scott?
as for Jones, he isn’t much at getting on base but he is one of the better hitting CFers around.
On the other hand Bill James/Fielders Bible rank him as a pretty bad defensive CFer anymore, with large totals of minus runs saved the last three years.
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ccrider
December 14th, 2011
2:33 am
nolie: Luke Scott was non tendered
nolie
December 14th, 2011
2:33 am
off the top of my head, with Hardy and Jones you would be adding two guys who both are pretty poor OBP hitters and who would most likely hit for fewer homers here than in Baltimore which is usually a good homer park.
Harding is due 7 mil and I’m not sure i see him as being worth that myself, and I do not see the Braves paying it.
nolie
December 14th, 2011
2:35 am
yeah CCR, I remembered that after I submitted. we talked about him earlier in that regard.
kenhotlanta
December 14th, 2011
2:37 am
Great blog, DOB, thanks, I look forward to the Top 50, too. You know, my tastes lean toward classic rock and Americana, but I value your opinions on new music and I always check out a lot of the artists and albums you share with us.
nolie
December 14th, 2011
2:39 am
who was that last OFer we got from the Orioles who hit so well there and was kinduva dud here?
nolie
December 14th, 2011
2:42 am
on deeper thought I guess if Gonzo is worth 4mil, Hardy is likely worth close to 7. but I still don’t see the Braves as interested at that price
Ward
December 14th, 2011
2:43 am
Hello everyone! Saw a new blog,and decided to come on. Did anyone read about what Jonh Rckers has told everyone in his new book? John is the kind of guy that would go against his own team mates.
ccrider
December 14th, 2011
2:44 am
Nolie; The salary for Jones and Hardy would only come to about $11.5 million, while JJ and Prado would be at about $9.5 million. Hardy is a very good defensive SS with power and your right about the OBP, not great for either, but they both hit LHers pretty well and paly good D
kenhotlanta
December 14th, 2011
2:44 am
Gene Woodling??
Ward
December 14th, 2011
2:48 am
John Rocker say’s that some members of the Braves took steriods too,which I find hard to beleive,and think Rocker is just out to make the bucks.
Ward
December 14th, 2011
2:49 am
I wouldn’t mind Adam Jones LF,but then I wouldn’t mind anybody that can hit.
nolie
December 14th, 2011
2:52 am
Hardy is a very good defensive SS with power and your right about the OBP, not great for either, but they both hit LHers pretty well and paly good D
Hardy shows as being an average SS in Runs Saved-they ranked him 16th, 9th and 11th the last three years- and I think the power drops a good bit away from Baltimore. No matter the combined money totals, i just don’t see then as being interested in Hardy. JMO of course
nolie
December 14th, 2011
2:54 am
Surhoff. not sure why that took a minute to remember ??
ccrider
December 14th, 2011
2:55 am
nolie, your probably right, but it sure would make it an interesting season!
kenhotlanta
December 14th, 2011
2:56 am
I think you are right, nolie, I forgot him too.
nolie
December 14th, 2011
2:58 am
they still might be interested in Jones, who knows?
I’m not sure why his Going Deep numbers have become so poor the last three years though.
nolie
December 14th, 2011
3:00 am
at least some interesting rumors are flying around to talk about
Ward
December 14th, 2011
3:02 am
I hope the Braves can just sign Bourn? That would show a commitment to the Braves,and that they can work out a contract.
nolie
December 14th, 2011
3:03 am
I hope they pass on Bourn if he wants what Bora$ will likely ask for
nolie
December 14th, 2011
3:03 am
GG. TTFN y’all.
ccrider
December 14th, 2011
3:05 am
nolie, Back at ya
Ward
December 14th, 2011
3:06 am
nolie-Have a good one buddy,but I would build your out field around Bourn.Just thought I would come on for a few post,and all have a good one! Good to hear some news of possible trades again,and peace my friends……
haggard
December 14th, 2011
3:29 am
David O’Brien
I just wandered in–unable to sleep–and turned on the Christmas tree just long enough for the bubble lights to heat up as Suzy Bogguss and Delbert McClinton dueted on “Baby It’s Cold Outside”.
I was thinking about the O’Brien clan just recently; thinking you must have had a great time in Colorado during Thanksgiving with the folks and sister’s family on hand.
And what an eclectic mix in the new bloggage. Thanks.
Your conversation with Brooks Conrad gave reason to remember his first appearance on the field following his Murphy’s Law game during the 2010 playoffs. And I’ll bet he remembers it, too.
As we do many times, I had arrived early and met my friend to stand around, talk, and shag fly balls during batting practice in the left field stands. For some reason I had walked to the other side of Turner Field–just above where tiger297 resides– and was talking to a friend when I first noticed a smattering of applause. As the volume increased I looked up to see Conrad wave his glove to the fans in left field, who then clapped even harder in their effort to assuage the feelings of a man who had experienced the sting of humiliation many of them had last felt on the field in Little League. Or maybe high school.
At any rate, when I made my way back to the left field stands, I learned it was my friend who started that small ovation and later that evening I bought him a pretzel and a frozen lemonade and called him a good man. I hope Brooks Conrad remembers, too.
“He’s done a good days work. Make a fire”
Good night again
haggard
December 14th, 2011
3:44 am
“Surhoff. not sure why that took a minute to remember ??”–nolie
Plus, B.J was a catcher at one time. Thought surely you’d remember on that account.
Andres
December 14th, 2011
3:52 am
what would make the most sense would be JJ and a prospect for A. Jones and a prospect
ncgary
December 14th, 2011
4:33 am
go braves
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Mister Frisky
December 14th, 2011
5:44 am
DOB,You could have also have a title of Baseball is s Lottery Ticket if your name is E-4 I mean Brooks Conrad.He got two years of big league minimum plus two MLB merchandise checks putting his take to over a cool million the last two years.Not bad for a guy who is probably less talented than most greeters at Wal-Mart.
richbrave
December 14th, 2011
6:17 am
Been saying all along that if ‘THE PASTOR’ was going to be ‘the’ experiment of 2012, BROOKSIE would have to go. Too bad. Thanx for the memories, the good ones thst is, and there were quite a few. Good luck to him and to the BRAVES in bringing in the right upgrade to be TYLER’s caddy. Good hunting Mr. WREN. Reel in a good one. HICKS is not the answer.
richbrave
December 14th, 2011
6:19 am
Andres
December 14th, 2011
3:52 am
what would make the most sense would be JJ and a prospect for A. Jones and a prospect
WTF! LOL!
Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jack's BBQ & Shrimp
December 14th, 2011
6:27 am
Slightly too early for beer, so I will opin on Brooksy, look we need a dude that can hit .250 or so. Is that really asking too much?
I like the guy, his grit and his toughness, but as a paying (and beer drinking) fan, I want a “standings” for at least one year, not a good “clubhouse” guy.
Sorry that I am being selfish. But heck, lets try to win games this year and then have fun, not the other way around……
Bring up Conrad
December 14th, 2011
6:59 am
BROOKS,
Good to have seen you do well in Atl!! Hope you may be able to work out something which will benefil you and the family! I’ll be watching for you!!! Bill Robinson…
richbrave
December 14th, 2011
7:05 am
nolie
December 14th, 2011
3:03 am
I hope they pass on Bourn if he wants what Bora$ will likely ask for
I’m not convinced that even the smell of knee-deep BORAS money would keep BOURN here. He certainly was not energized by the playoff run we had in 2011. Maybe it was the line-up behind him I don’t know, but his BA was in a steady decline during the course of the year.
Billy Walsh
December 14th, 2011
7:19 am
Its going to take a lot more than JJ and a prospect for A Jones
old man
December 14th, 2011
7:34 am
Baltimore has three top SS prospects (Machado, Givens, Schoop), but unsure any one of them is MLB ready in 2013. So trading Hardy is not a completely nutty idea for them. Is Hardy going to hit anywhere near 30 hrs again? Bill James has him down for 21, .760 ops.
Jeff R
December 14th, 2011
7:35 am
Moylan and Conrad, twas time to go. Not terribly surprised by Wren’s moves here.
Adam Jones. Not sure about a straight up for Jurrjens (I know, Jurrjens is damaged goods, etc.) Be interested to see if there where any other names in the mix (should those guys be the centerpieces of a deal).
Jeff R
December 14th, 2011
7:36 am
Hardy? Braves are going assume his contract dollars? I tend to doubt it.
Ray
December 14th, 2011
7:36 am
I like Adam Jones, the kid is a talent. IF we gave up JJ and another young arm maybe they would give up jones. He is strong defensively and can rake. DOB, do you think the Braves may make any moves towards any of the non-tendered guys?
old man
December 14th, 2011
7:44 am
Yep, Hardy is 7.0M, too rich for us I guess. My bad.
longtimefan
December 14th, 2011
7:46 am
DOB
Any chance you would list your top 50 or so tunes of the last 10-20 years?
Robert
December 14th, 2011
7:55 am
Don’t get me excited! I mentioned yesterday that the Braves would NEVER pay for a guy like Hardy! I would love to be wrong on that! Him and Jones would be an early Christmas present! But I’ve been burned by the Braves before, so I’m not counting my chickens here.
old man
December 14th, 2011
7:56 am
I know the Drew Stubbs thing is pretty dead, but he is such a tantalizing idea. If he just wouldn’t strikeout so dang much. League average is 20%. Last three years he has been 25%, 28%, 30%. Not a good trend. Oh well.
Rufus
December 14th, 2011
7:56 am
Brooksie is a class act and will be missed. I know his performance fell off in 2011 but guys like that who hustle and live/die on every pitch (mainly because their careers rise/fall on every pitch) are hard to come by. One of my favorite memories of him is standing next to my son on the Gwinnett field a couple years ago during the national anthem. I know he’d done it hundreds of times on other teams with other kids, but the picture of them standing together has always meant alot.
Good luck Brooksie, you will be missed by many here in Atlanta who remember how hard you played, the fun you had, and the great success you had. I hope your path and that of the Braves cross again soon.
Jeff R
December 14th, 2011
7:57 am
old man… This art, not science. Who knows? Wren could surprise about Hardy or anyone else. Might be right.
old man
December 14th, 2011
8:00 am
And with Stubb’s speed, striking out at the league average (i.e., putting the ball in play or walking an extra 10% of all plate appearances) would probably raise his AVG/OBP a ton. Maybe McCann can recommend an eye doctor.
STRETCH
December 14th, 2011
8:02 am
Hardy and Jones from the O’s? Man that would be a great deal for the Braves, but who am i kidding. The Braves are too cheap. They will probably sign Betencourt or worse.
bozz
December 14th, 2011
8:08 am
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bozz
December 14th, 2011
8:09 am
“Not bad for a guy who is probably less talented than most greeters at Wal-Mart.”
Not sure how low on talent that makes you then, Mister Frisky.
old man
December 14th, 2011
8:12 am
Aren’t the O’s sort of up in the air at second base? Was Roberts injured the last two years? WAR of 1.4 and .2 in 2009 and 2010. Ouch! So are they the team we really match up with? They need pitching and a second baseman. Mega-trade of JJ and Prado and Venters, etc., for their JJ and Jones. We would add maybe a couple of million in salary, right?
Just dreamin’.
Jerry Blooger
December 14th, 2011
8:22 am
venters? are you stoned?
David O'Brien
December 14th, 2011
8:28 am
Ray: I don’t think any of the non-tendered guys has a lot of appeal to the Braves.
Lobosolo
December 14th, 2011
8:30 am
I’d bet that Brooks Conrad is a superior human being in every aspect than Mr. Frisky, most notably in plain old class… What a miserable existence your life must be, Prissy Frisky… at least we all can get a chuckle out of that…
David O'Brien
December 14th, 2011
8:37 am
“Not bad for a guy who is probably less talented than most greeters at Wal-Mart.”
Not sure how low on talent that makes you then, Mister Frisky.
Yeah, he’s something else, isn’t he? At this point, I think Frisky is reveling in being something of a caricature. Like a few others.
Dan Mohan
December 14th, 2011
8:41 am
I had rotator cuff surgery last January, it takes longer than six months to fully rehab it. Pulling for Peter Moylan but it will 9 months at best.
mantuan
December 14th, 2011
8:42 am
DOB: I loved your Mister Friskie and Najeh Davenpoop reposts. Thanks for reposting them. If you come boarding in CO this winter, holler up.
richbrave
December 14th, 2011
8:43 am
Now that BROOKS is in our rear-view and RYAN THERIOT is a FA, I’m wondering if he’s in the BRAVES’ future.
JSS
December 14th, 2011
8:44 am
@ Najeh Davenpoop…
If you do a SEC EDGAR search, Liberty Media lists the Braves as ANLBC in their filings. Form 10-Q is where you start. You need all 4 quarters. From there you need to dig into the revenues and how they expense salaries. If you’ve got the time, the information is there but it will not be listed as individual salaries for a specific players. That is the beauty of having to report financials by “publicly traded companies.’ Good luck…
braveshoo
December 14th, 2011
8:44 am
I think this trade proposal is the first one I have seen that makes perfect sense. We give up a lot by trading JJ and Prado, and we need to get an excellent return. Both Jones and Hardy hit about .280, 25-30 HRs, and 80 RBIs. It will cost about 5m for Jones in arb. this year, and perhaps 7m next year. He is only 25 and is just coming into his own. He could be our LF or CF for a long time. Hardy is a definite upgrade offensively at SS, and he can move to 3rd when pasternicky or simmons are ready and Chipper has retired. Prado and JJ will cost about 10m total in arb. this year, and you probably cant keep JJ longterm because of Boras. The Os might have to throw in 2m in cash to make the trade revenue neutral, and we might have to throw in a minor pitching prospect to complete the deal. This could set us up to have a longterm outfield of Bourn, Jones, and Heyward if we resign Bourn and Jones longterm next year after more money frees up. We solve our problems shorterm at SS, and for the next 3 years at SS and 3rd, and we open up a spot in the rotation for one of our young phenoms. I like this potential trade a lot.
richbrave
December 14th, 2011
8:48 am
Efrim
December 14th, 2011
8:51 am
Adam Jones is a career .275/.319/.437, 101 OPS+ hitter. If the Braves are offering Jurrjens and Prado, then the O’s would have to give Jones + a couple good prospects, in my opinion. Jones has been better the last three years: .281/.326/.455, 109 OPS+ in 1,758 plate appearances. Here is the Orioles Top 11 prospects from Baseball Prospectus’ Kevin Goldstein:
Five-Star Prospects
1. Dylan Bundy, RHP
2. Manny Machado, SS
Four-Star Prospects
3. Jonathan Schoop, INF
Three-Star Prospects
4. Nick Delmonico, 3B
5. Jason Esposito, 3B
6. Robert Bundy, RHP
7. Parker Bridwell, RHP
8. Dan Klein, RHP
9. Ryan Adams, 2B
Two-Star Prospects
10. L.J. Hoes, OF
11. Eduardo Rodriguez, LHP
Dylan Bundy isn’t eligible and Manny Machado is going nowhere. Jonathan Schoop would have to come with Jones, imo. Played 2nd base this year but will most likely be a 3rd baseman long term. I still don’t think that’s nearly enough for Jurrjens and Prado, but that’s just my opinion.
richbrave
December 14th, 2011
8:52 am
braveshoo:
Sounds plausible. We’ll see what Mr. WREN pulls off, hopefully sooner rather than later.
richbrave
December 14th, 2011
8:53 am
richbrave
December 14th, 2011
8:54 am
Later.
nolie
December 14th, 2011
8:59 am
Bill James/Fielding Bible rank Jones very low as a defensive CFer the last three years. Hardy as average SS.
Braves will have absolutely no interest in a 7 million dollar shortstop, and his power will probably go down enough to make him a mediocre third baseman especially considering his low OBP.
That deal(Hardy & Jones) ain’t gonna happen, not should it.
nolie
December 14th, 2011
9:01 am
Scientists think they are getting closer to determining if the”God” particle. actually exists
Don
December 14th, 2011
9:02 am
IGNORE it all you want.
PRETEND IT DOESN’T EXIST all you want.
BUT there is an ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM that makes EVERYTHING ELSE MEANINGLESS
for the Braves.
Since Leo left as Pitching Coach six or seven years ago, almost EVERY STARTING PITCHER
has become INJURED.
You are NOT GOING TO WIN under those conditions no matter how good the hitting, the defense or
anything else.
Now, going into next season FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE starters are coming off injuries.
THREE of these are young pitchers (already established) who should have formed the core of a
great rotation for years to come.
And injuries to pitchers are not something that a pitcher always gets over and comes back to be great
the next season. These 3 young pitchers may NEVER BE GREAT AGAIN – thus adversely
effecting the Braves for YEARS TO COME.
And this is just the TIP OF THE ICEBERG. HOW MANY TOTAL Starting Pitchers (counting only
those who were in the rotation for a reasonable length of time) have the Braves had in the six or
seven years since Leo left; and HOW MANY OF THESE HAVE NOT BEEN INJURED????
HOW CAN THE BRAVES POSSIBLY IGNORE THIS??????.
JoeBrave
December 14th, 2011
9:02 am
Hardy, and Jones? yup that would be a trade to go with..
dap01
December 14th, 2011
9:03 am
Hardy and Jones are worth a steep price because they fit our needs. Hopefully Wren has something big like this up his sleeve.
McFann O O o
December 14th, 2011
9:07 am
Since Leo left as Pitching Coach six or seven years ago, almost EVERY STARTING PITCHER has become INJURED.
Must be BMac’s fault…
nolie
December 14th, 2011
9:08 am
don’t any of y’all hold your breath until the Braves pick up Hardy
nolie
December 14th, 2011
9:09 am
Don and his pet elephant…
TennesseePaul
December 14th, 2011
9:09 am
Thanks for the work DOB.
Not too surprised about the Conrad move. I’m sure he’s a nice guy, but he is a spot on a roster.
Ralph
December 14th, 2011
9:11 am
If they trade Prado, who’s going to play 3rd base, Chipper won’t make it past April?
TennesseePaul
December 14th, 2011
9:13 am
Cool link to the Marlins park DOB. I’m looking forward to seeing the completed stadium. I really enjoy the fact that every park in the majors is unique. It seems to make the game even more awesome than it already is.
TnBrian
December 14th, 2011
9:13 am
“Rosenthal and Morosi note that the Braves and Orioles have discussed a deal that included both Jurrjens and Prado”
Sounds like it’s in the past to me. Why did nothing come out of it with either team? What do I know though …
nolie
December 14th, 2011
9:13 am
looks like a few more of them caricatures have shown up this am
J-Man
December 14th, 2011
9:15 am
From an earlier post:
When people on this blog say “Have Faith” and talk about the fans that critize the team and say that they are not real fans. Well to all of you fans I say that you are lazy and accept mediocrity. Infact even most of the writers in the area have “Drank the Kool-Aid” that Liberty Media has put out. They never call out and question “idiotic” moves. Wren is not a bad GM but when it comes to FA he is suspect at best. But you look at Liberty Media they always go with the cheapest solution and when they do spend money they play that player no matter what (ex. D.Lowe, McClouth, and Kawakami 1st 2 seasons). Look at the dumpster deals they have gone with Greg Norton, Joe Mather, Brooks Conrad, Troy Glaus (excluding May-June 10), Jesse Chavez, Melky Cabera, and Scott Proctor. And the “Blue Light Special” players that ate up payroll without contributing anything but playing them in spite of performance Derek Lowe, Kenshin Kawakami, Nate McClouth, Alex Gongalez, Uggla for the 1st half of the season and Derek Lee. But they kept running out those Payroll fatcats inspite of performance and not letting young talent have a chance. So this is exactly why the TRUE Brave fans are angry and QUESTION Liberty Media. Real fans need to complain more and to ask questions and not feel bad for doing so. Remember we choked up a 10.5 game lead with a month to go and NOTHING was done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE WANT THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now if the Adam Jones rumor is out there then expect the Braves to not make any deal for a good player. But we should complain and let our frustration known and to pressure Liberty Media to make changes.
WE WANT THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nolie
December 14th, 2011
9:18 am
we can banter all we want, but can’t really rule out anything happening.
wonder if Mark the Greek would be available in a deal that included both JJ & Prado?
Prolly not I guess
TennesseePaul
December 14th, 2011
9:18 am
I still don’t think that’s nearly enough for Jurrjens and Prado, but that’s just my opinion
Glad to see your value level for JJ and Prado creeping up the scale. ( :
lexbrave
December 14th, 2011
9:18 am
Why do I have this bad feeling that Rollins will sign with another team and the Phillies will replace him with Hanley Ramirez?
@Fredo, Najeh Davenpoop
December 14th, 2011
9:19 am
DOB,
I am complain about your snarky attitude, then I turn around and do the same, so for that I apologize.
My gripe is that, to say that you don’t know budget numbers so you won’t guess, seems like it goes against the purpose that the blog serves. That ‘purpose’ is debatable, I suppose. But, to me, you (and this comment is in no way sarcastic) should have the most knowledge of anyone covering this team outside of the inner circle because you are supposed to be in and around this clubhouse and front office, day in and day out, home and road.
So, to answer the question: how would you suggest we go about getting that number, Mr. Davenpoop?
Well, since by design, you should be able to venture the most educated guess by adding up what you know for sure and filling in the few variables with your best guess, you should have your best guess answer. If you qualify it with “this is my best guess, here is what they have committed, and here is what I beleive they have left” two things can happen. Knowing that the front office reads this and care (oh do they care) you will either miss that number by a long shot (too high and you raise expectations or too low and you wont give ubersensitive personnel enough credit) and someone, I truely believe, will nudge you closer to the truth. Or, the other possibility, is that you don’t hear squat and you are probably close enough to the number to make fair assements on what is possible through free agency and trades and salary additions.
But to say, we don’t know for sure so its not worth mentioning is crazy. If that were the case, there would be no need in anything from you other than game stories and profiles. I mean, you make educated guesses elsewhere, right?
nolie
December 14th, 2011
9:20 am
Well to all of you fans I say that you are lazy and accept mediocrity.
and I might say you are infantile and accept whining and crying as appropriate behavior.
It’s all in one’s perspective
TennesseePaul
December 14th, 2011
9:21 am
If they trade Prado, who’s going to play 3rd base,
This is a non-issue. In it’s level of importance for a potential trade, it is second to the bottom. The bottom should be CF for 2013. The fill-ins for Chipper the last three years have not been lighting the ball up. Prado, filling in at third has not been lighting the ball up. The level of production those subs have given at third when Chipper rests is easily replaceable. .. or it should be. But then, it has taken considerable amount of time for the Braves to find a back up short-stop.
TennesseePaul
December 14th, 2011
9:24 am
Adam Jones… Interesting thought but I would have rather seen a guy with a high OBP. If the thinking is “It’ll be awesome to have Bourn and Jones at the top of the line up, creating havoc.” I will say that the majority of havoc will be wrought on the Braves for so few scoring opportunities and so many outs made. If those two could run like the wind and get on base at .360+. That would be havoc.