Braves non-tender Moylan and Conrad (updated)

Relief pitcher Peter Moylan and infielder Brooks Conrad became non-tendered free agents after not being offered contracts by the Braves, a move that doesn’t preclude returning to the team.

General manager Frank Wren said at last week’s Winter Meetings that the Braves could non-tender Moylan and re-sign him as a free agent later this winter if he continued to progress in recovery from late-September shoulder surgery.

“I was expecting the move,” Moylan said Tuesday.  “Hoping we can work out something to stay a Brave.”

Moylan is scheduled to begin throwing in January and said his goal was to be ready to pitch at the beginning of the season.

The Braves offered contracts to all of their other remaining arbitration-eligible players — center fielder Michael Bourn, left fielder Martin Prado, starting pitcher Jair Jurrjens and reliever Eric O’Flaherty.

Major league teams had a midnight deadline to tender contracts to unsigned players who were under team control. Non-tendered players became free agents.

Moylan, 33, had arthroscopic surgery for rotator-cuff and labrum tears, and the Braves are unsure when he’ll be ready to pitch. Typical recovery for the surgery is about six months, which would be right at the beginning of the season.

The Aussie sidearmer made $2 million in 2011 and was limited to 13 appearances, missing most of the season while recovering from May back surgery followed by the shoulder issue that flared up just three weeks after he returned from the disabled list.

Moylan pitched in 80 or more games in three of the previous four seasons for the Braves, coming back strong in 2009 after missing most of ’08 recovering from ligament-transplant elbow surgery, aka “Tommy John” surgery.

If he’d been tendered a contract, he might have commanded a salary of around $2 million again in his third year of arbitration eligibility. In that scenario, the maximum amount that his salary could have been cut would be 20 percent, to $1.6 million.

The Braves did not want to make that level of commitment without being more certain of his recovery.

Conrad was an unusual case of a player non-tendered despite being short of arbitration eligibility. The utility infielder and pinch-hitter made $427,500 in 2011 and could have been brought back at the major league minimum salary, which is $480,000 for 2012.

The Braves didn’t see Conrad as a good fit any longer, primarily because they needed someone in his utility role who could play well at shortstop. That’s not a strong position for Conrad.

Conrad hit .223 with a .325 on-base percentage, nine extra-base hits (four homers) and 13 RBIs in 103 at-bats in 2011, down from 20 extra-base hits (eight homers) and 33 RBIs in 156 at-bats in 2010.

As a pinch-hitter, he was 13-for-62 (.210) with 29 strikeouts in 2011. He had the most pinch-hit appearances among the Braves, whose pinch-hitters were 15th in the NL in average (.175) and 16th (last) in OBP (.239).

The Braves told Conrad to explore the free-agent market, and that they’d be open to discussing a minor-league contract later if he’s interested.

Bourn made $4.4 million in 2011 and is projected to make about $7 million in 2012, his third arbitration-eligible year. The three-time National League stolen base leader can become a free agent after the season.

Wren has said the Braves are interested in discussing an extension for Bourn, who hit .278 with 22 steals in 53 games after coming from Houston in a July 31 trade. Bourn, a 2009 All-Star and client of agent Scott Boras, hit a combined .291 with 61 steals and a .349 OBP.

The Braves know that Boras typically takes his players to free agency, unless a  team makes an overwhelming contract-extension offer or a client is adamant about staying put. The Braves have sought a young center fielder in trade discussions this winter, in case Bourn isn’t retained beyond 2012.

Prado and Jurrjens have had trade rumors swirl around them for two months. The Braves insist they don’t need to move either for payroll reasons and would only make a deal if it improved the team.

After making $3.1 million in a 2011 season interrupted by a lower-leg staph infection, Prado might command about $4.5 million in his second year of arbitration.

Jurrjens was a 2011 All-Star, then was sidelined in September for the second year in a row by a right-knee injury. He made $3.25 million in his first season of arbitration eligibility and could see a raise to about $5 million for 2012.

Left-hander O’Flaherty is part of a formidable bullpen trio with closer Craig Kimbrel and Jonny Venters. He could get a substantial raise in his second year of arbitration, from $895,000 last season to perhaps $2.5 million.

Because Moylan was non-tendered, the Braves — or any team — could negotiate a new salary with him as a free agent. At the November general managers meetings in Milwaukee, Wren spoke with Moylan’s representative, Adam Katz, about the possibility of signing him later this winter after seeing how rehab goes.

Katz said Monday that he had recently been given a positive update from the doctor who did Moylan’s shoulder surgery, Braves orthopedist Xavier Duralde.

Moylan had a 3.24 ERA with 10 strikeouts and three walks in 8-1/3 innings in 2011. He had a bulging disc repaired May 17, his third back surgery in a decade.

He returned Sept. 3 and made six appearances before the shoulder forced him out again. Moylan was diagnosed with an incomplete tear of the rotator cuff in 2010, but had been able to manage the condition with cortisone injections.

Moylan was a workhorse before and after his previous major arm injury. He had elbow surgery one month into the 2008 season and missed the rest of the year, after posting a 1.80 ERA in 80 games as a 28-year-old rookie in 2007.

After returning to post a 2.84 ERA in a franchise-record 87 appearances in 2009, he finished the 2010 season with a 2.97 ERA in 85 appearances.

He’s been an improbable success story in the major leagues. He was out of American professional baseball for eight years and working as a pharmaceutical salesman at home in Australia, playing for a club team on weekends, when he was invited to pitch for his country in the 2006 World Baseball Classic.

When he switched to a sidearm delivery in deference to a previous back injury, Moylan almost immediately gained 10 miles per hour on his fastball, drawing notice in Australia, then from scouts during the World Baseball Classic in 2006.

The Braves signed him to a minor-league contract that March, and he made his major league debut a month later.

The heavily-tattooed pitcher, with his gregarious personality and dry humor, has become one of the most popular Braves among teammates and fans.

215 comments Add your comment

Skipper

December 12th, 2011
7:54 pm

Bill

December 12th, 2011
8:02 pm

Thanks DOB for new report.

AussieBrave

December 12th, 2011
8:02 pm

Would love to see Bourn remain a Brave. Love the speed at the top of the lineup. Also would like to see another good full-time bat in the outfield and let Prado split time with Chipper at 3B. In my opinion he’s a good player but really just a high-performing utility guy. We’ll see… As an aside, those that constantly bag out Chipper for playing as long as he can for money he is really owed from years of not taking what he was worth should let it go. He is a HoF whose bat is only a plus and rarely a negative (look at his lifetime stats) and his defence at 40 is still better than most. Enjoy what will probably be his last year. Also, how about giving Heyward a bit of support. He’s a young man who may well end up being a star. I’m disappointed to read how some almost seem to be hoping he does not do well just so they can say “I told you so”. Go Braves!

Bye Bye Petey

December 12th, 2011
8:04 pm

Moylan won’t be back.

The Braves are notoriously frugal at contract time and won’t be the high bidder for Moylan. Not saying they should be all in on the Moylan. Just saying if anyone thinks Moylan is lock to remain a Brave simply because he loves the uniform better think again!

AussieBrave

December 12th, 2011
8:04 pm

Oh, apologies, should have written something relative to the article! GO MOYLAN!!!!!! Good luck, mate!

Steve

December 12th, 2011
8:08 pm

Skipper, nobody cares if you are “first.” Grow up.

ray

December 12th, 2011
8:21 pm

thanks for the new blog, Dave.
Braves don’t need to chase Moylan. he’s injured much too often. he may be funny, but we need more than comedy.
As far as Bourn is concerned, it is highly unlikely he’ll stay with the Braves after 2012. trading for a Boras client is a bad gamble for a team that always has lack of payroll flexibility.
we only traded 4 guys for him so, compared to the Teixeira fiasco, it was a steal. let’s hope Clemens and Oberholzer don’t develop better than our supposed top 4 young pitching prospects that we refused to deal.

AussieBrave

December 12th, 2011
8:22 pm

I care Skipper! :0) Steve just has no Joie de vivre. Relax Stevo… it’s all in fun.

Nerdbucket Moylan

December 12th, 2011
8:33 pm

Bring me back!!!

Brave New World

December 12th, 2011
8:46 pm

AussieBrave December 12th, 2011 8:02 pm

AussieBrave: I agree with everything you said. I am no longer dissapointed in the negative comments of some on these Brave blogs – everyone is free to express their opinions, and to some, being negative is the way they express themselves. You used the negative comments directed at Heyward as your example, and I also think it’s way too early to bail on Jason. GO BRAVES!

benchwarmer

December 12th, 2011
8:50 pm

Moylan has been a stellar performer in the Braves pen. If he can still do it I would welcome him back.

David O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
9:01 pm

Alright, Wu-Tang just announced they are playing a show in my city (New Orleans) in January. Time for a crash course. DOB album suggestions? — Randy S

The must-have classic is Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers). That is seriously strong hip-hop, better by a good measure over anything out today.

David O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
9:02 pm

Beltran is not playing center field anymore. Not with his knees. — cabravesfan

Agreed. Those who watched him in the S.F. outfield after the trade said it was painful to witness.

Bill

December 12th, 2011
9:08 pm

Furcal resigned with Cards
Aramis to Brewers for 3 yrs 37 million

Braves have increased interest in JJ from NYY, Rangers, Rockies, Reds, Cubs, and Red Sox plus Fish. The longer Wren waits the higher the price gets. Also the Blue Jays have a pelthora of outfielders which could be targets. MLB.
Still couple teams interested in Prado.

Maybe Wren will pull off a super deal…. I hope.

Mark (another one)

December 12th, 2011
9:12 pm

Some people complain because the Braves won’t pay the price of their favorite free agent or make an unreasonable trade. When they believe its the right deal for the Braves, the Braves management has shown they will pay a high price. For proof, see what they paid for KK. The Braves had to out bid other teams for KK’s services, and they projected him as a rotation regular. GM decisions are not always easy.

Rick

December 12th, 2011
9:24 pm

Dave…. Rangers are looking for pitching after losing CJ Wilson…Braves need a corner outfielder..What about Jari for Nelson Cruz.. Both guys spent alot of time on DL in 2011

reagan

December 12th, 2011
9:25 pm

Steve….your 8:08 post may be the best post I’ve seen in a long time!!!!!!!!!

Craig

December 12th, 2011
9:32 pm

Nice story but if the Braves fans loved him so much why was there no Moylan shirts in the Braves shop at Turner Field this year?

This Aussie fan was desparate for an authentic Moylan shirt when I visited this year!

Michael

December 12th, 2011
9:38 pm

Good luck, Moylan. Thanks for all your HARD work which put you in this situation. I wish you are rewarded with a larger contract. Even if it is not from Braves, I will still be happy for you!

Chop Chop

December 12th, 2011
9:43 pm

We don’t need Moylan. I don’t see why he would be back.

Bill

December 12th, 2011
9:44 pm

Moylan made over 2 million last year for 11 innings. Thats might good pay. I like Moylan but Braves don’t need anymore if’s in my opinion.
DOB does Braves have insurance to cover players hurt like Moylan was last year?

AussieBrave

December 12th, 2011
9:45 pm

Uh-hum – had a ‘glitch’ and lost my post. I was waxing lyrical about how every time I read about our unbelievably deep pitching staff I get nervous. Is it just me? Hanson: Young but a wonky delivery and maybe prone to injury year after year. Jurrjens: (See “Hanson”, sans the wonky delivery bit). And then there’s Hudson… great pitcher, but not really a superstud and really in the twilight. Then all the youngters… Well, that’s just it, they’re youngsters; unproven talent just as likely to disappoint as, let’s say, the blog’s beat-up boy Heyward (who, by the way, I still believe deserves a fair crack at it this year). I’d like to see a big move like anyone else, but maybe we should hang on to our future… proven or otherwise it’s there if we need it. Just a thought… but then, whadda I know?

phil

December 12th, 2011
9:59 pm

Please.

No more Moylan…

And fire FG!

phil

December 12th, 2011
10:00 pm

David O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
10:12 pm

Dave…. Rangers are looking for pitching after losing CJ Wilson…Braves need a corner outfielder..What about Jari for Nelson Cruz.. Both guys spent alot of time on DL in 2011 — Rick

You watched Nelson Cruz in the postseason and still believe the Rangers would trade him?

Rick

December 12th, 2011
10:29 pm

Dave, I live in Dallas and know that Nelson runs hot and cold. Compare the stats in each round of the 2011 playoffs. The Ranger will score 10 runs a game with him or without him. They need pitching. Coby Lewis,Matt Harrisson,Holland and Feliz as a starter scares the local brass

wayn-o

December 12th, 2011
10:53 pm

Hey Fredi, notice how 80+ appearances tends to breakdown a pitcher. *cough* O’flaherty, Venters & Kimbrel.

Rafael

December 12th, 2011
11:13 pm

“The Braves have sought a young center fielder in trade discussions this winter.”

The profound previous statement TRANSLATES into Michael Bourn is HISTORY in the ATL!!!!

With Liberty CHEAPIA as our owners, Frank Wren CANNOT even play “Money Ball.” Wren has to resort to “PENNY Ball.”

It’s ashame that John Schuerholz’ legacy will be FOREVER tainted and remembered for “THE LETTER” he sent to the fans after the playoff COLLASPE!!!!!! You know, the words like “working hard to explore every avenue to IMPROVE the team.” BALONEY!!!! BLATANT LIES!!!!! “Smoke and Mirrors, a Carnival Show, “Bait & Switch.”

With Liberty CHEAPIA, Mr. Wren cannot even sign “second-tier” free agents like Josh Willingham. No, we’re talking the likes of Cody Ross (.240 BA, 6 HRs… a clone of Matt Diaz (TWIN SONS OF DIFFERENT MOTHERS).

Instead of ending up with Eduardo Nunez as SS, Wren is soliciting the likes of washed-up STIFFS like Nick Punto and his 1 HR and NO UPSIDE!!!!

Yes, I’ve become BITTER and FRUSTRATED, but that’s what Liberty CHEAPIA and “PENNY BALL” has done to me.

NekiEcko

December 12th, 2011
11:24 pm

DOB,

You also have to remember that they might have to pay a hefty fee to talk to Yu Davish, and if they don’t have that money or get out-bid (Yankees, Red Sox and Angels), then JJ because the hot guy on the block.

David O'Brien

December 13th, 2011
12:34 am

NekiEcko: Yu Darvish could cost around $100 million in posting fee and contract, possibly more. That only works for large-payroll teams.

David O'Brien

December 13th, 2011
12:35 am

IF the Braves check Luke Scott’s medicals and are satisfied, and IF they don’t mind another LH bat, I could see that being a potential fit. When healthy, that’s a big bat, for sure.

David O'Brien

December 13th, 2011
1:08 am

Dave, I live in Dallas and know that Nelson runs hot and cold. …The Ranger will score 10 runs a game with him or without him. They need pitching. Coby Lewis,Matt Harrisson,Holland and Feliz as a starter scares the local brass — Rick

Not meaning to dismiss the trade speculation, Rick, but since you live in Dallas, perhaps you can link us to one single credible trade rumor about Cruz since the end of the season. In this day and age of rampant trade rumors about half the players in baseball, that shouldn’t be difficult if he’s actually available. Just one rumor from a credible source.

P B Orr

December 13th, 2011
1:45 am

Don’t want Moylan back – he’s too fat to stay healthy. Nice guy, not much of an athlete.

reckingball

December 13th, 2011
2:52 am

I like Moylan, I hope that the Braves can get him back.

J-Man

December 13th, 2011
4:02 am

What about the Cuban outfielder. Maybe we could be in on him. But the problem that gets overlooked on this team is the Bullpen, granted record setting numbers from O’Ventbrel but after that were now a little suspect. We need George Sherrill back, and maybe 2 more proven arms. I just don’t want to see our young relievers getting burned out again or getting arm problems. But f we score more runs maybe the Starters can pitch more innings.

WE WANT THE TRUTH!!!!!!!

Stinger2

December 13th, 2011
4:23 am

Those people who like to post “first” have never understood that only Mark Bradley recognizes them.
So why do they continue this nonsense on the other AJC blogs?

David O'Brien

December 13th, 2011
6:49 am

Moylan acknowledged on Twitter this morning that he’d be become a free agent (non-tendered, in other words).

The Real Brave

December 13th, 2011
6:54 am

Love all that activity at the winter meetins we were promised.

Ray

December 13th, 2011
7:38 am

DOB, many of the fans on here demanding trades and making suggestions for players like Cruz seem to forget it takes two to make a trade. My nephew lives near Dallas and apparently the Rangers have made it clear Cruz or any of their core players are not going anywhere unless someone just went over the top and over pay in a trade.

War Eagle

December 13th, 2011
7:50 am

Why would you want to sign a 33 year old, injury prone (severe side arm action), non-effective reliever, who has not played or not played well over the last two seasons. He has come in many times and blown leads, yes he has done his job many times prior to that but that was more than 3 years ago. Let him go, he is washed up. No more signing old, worn out, has beens at any position!

now what

December 13th, 2011
7:52 am

smart move to not offer him because of his medical but the braves sure do need someone to eat up some innings out of the bullpen.

Cecil34

December 13th, 2011
8:02 am

Let Moylan go on down the road – Braves have plenty of healthy pitchers to spend money on.

Moylan has entered that zone known as the “Mike Hampton zone”.

Big Irish Mike

December 13th, 2011
8:09 am

I would like to see Moylan stay if he could regain most of his past form. The Braves used him to much one of the reasons he went on the DL. Much like a RB in the NFL you use him too much you cut their years of playing time down ! More choices in the bullpen would prevent the closer from having a dead arm down the stretch. Just for laughs to the bloggers out there did you hear if the Braves are interested in the best pitcher in Japan, who wants to come to the states and pitch? Or have they learned a lesson.

Homo the Brave

December 13th, 2011
8:09 am

Ryan Theriot was non-tendered by the Cards. He might be a good pickup for SS.

Enrique Romo

December 13th, 2011
8:16 am

Its sad reading DOB’s blog about Fish,Moylan,etc. All while you see the mainstream stories are about Pujols,Reyes,H.Bell,C.J. Wilson,A.Ramirez,P.fielder you know actually good players not scrubs like the Braves covet.

Enrique Romo

December 13th, 2011
8:19 am

The Braves are the dollar store of the business world. They pick up Fish for $7 dollars and want to re-sign Moylan for $12 dollars. Very sad to know your team has 2 holes (LF & SS) and Braves only news is about sucky relievers.

Enrique Romo

December 13th, 2011
8:21 am

Braves thinking is Moylan is a great clubhouse guy. Doesn’t matter to them that he’s ineffective with a 3+ era. If Chipper likes him he stays on the team. If Chipper hates him (Escobar) he gets the boot !

Enrique Romo

December 13th, 2011
8:24 am

Where did Rick go ? He was supposed to provide Dave with trade info. on Nelson Cruz. That’s right, he’s the guy with 10,000 fake names that lives in a trailer in S.W. Georgia…

PapaDawg

December 13th, 2011
8:27 am

I was wondering if D. Wright of the Mets would be available for trade. We need a everyday player at third not a fan favorite at a fragile 40.

since 1966

December 13th, 2011
8:29 am

Tired of all the critical comments about Liberty, Wren and FG. They know what they are doing! It’s what they do every day and they have a lot of very gifted advisors. There was a time when bloggers like yourself knew more than “the establishment” (Turner, Tanner, etc) but that time is NOT now. Feel free to exercise your 1st amendment right but don’t get too worked up. YOU are a fan. THEY are professionals. The FANS demanded Kneikro and scoffed over the Sherholtz hire! I still have the AJC articles to prove it.

BravesFanSince1982

December 13th, 2011
8:48 am

If I were a betting man, I would say that the Braves will offer Ryan Theriot or Nick Punto (whiochever the Cards part with) a contract sometime in the next few days and close shop until Spring Training.

Prado will stay and play third when Chipper can’t go, with Constanza or Diaz moving to LF
Pastornicky will be given a chance in ST to earn the starting SS job. If he’s not ready, it will go to Theriot or Punto, with either Hicks or Drew Sutton as the backup
Jurrjens will stay as insurance for Huddy and Hanson, in case they are slow to recover from their injuries

Braves should be competetive, but the level of offensive firepower rests on Prado and Heyward hitting like they did in 2010, and Uggla picking up where he left off

However, the main key in success, in my opinion, will be with the starting rotation and its ability to go deep into games. If the starters can consistently go 6-7 innings, the solid bullpen will not be gassed by September 1st

Go Bravos!

J-Man

December 13th, 2011
8:53 am

@Since 1966 your just being a lazy fan. In case you don’t remember we choked a 10.5 game lead with a month to go. All season we didn’t score enough runs, our Bull-pen got burned out in September and we basically made no moves. I’m sorry but it just seems like the Braves are afraid or too cheap to make a move. And when I mean move I mean something more that a rule 5 draft pick that has been waived 3 times already. IMO the 1st move that should have been done in fact the move that shouldv’e been done the day after the season shouldv’e been to fire Fredi Gonzalez. Now getting rid of D. Lowe and Parrish was a step in the right directionmore should have been done. Now we have those 4 top prospects to go along with Hudson, Hanson, Beechy and Medlin. So Jurrjens is very much expendable also to go with his health problems over the last 3 seasons and with him being a Boras client it seems almost crazy to keep him when we have other needs at LF, SS and bullpen depth. But WE FANS KNOW NOTHING and Liberty Media knows more than all of us………….and you actually typed this. My question to you is what are you smoking?

Henry Aaron's Ghost

December 13th, 2011
8:55 am

Everything out of the Braves mouth is “young” or “youth”. Hello Oakland A’s east. Get use to it. Braves are going down fast. Old at the top and young at the bottom till Chipper and Hudson’s contracts come off then they will be a $50 million a year team like the old Florida team.

DHD

December 13th, 2011
8:56 am

Sign Luke Scott please.

Robert

December 13th, 2011
9:00 am

How about Ryan (the riot) Theriot for a one year gap at SS now that he’s been released by St. Louis?

He’s always been a hitter!

Dent

December 13th, 2011
9:04 am

Ryan Theriot will become a Brave. Solid backup and would come at a low price. Don’t think the Yankees would go after JJ because the Yanks have been burned in the past by signing ex-Brave pitchers. Seems the Bravos know when to get rid of a guy.

Bill

December 13th, 2011
9:07 am

Luke Scott’s #’s for 2011..9 hrs and 220 ab but not healthy.

Luke Scott’s #’s for 2010..27 hrs and 284 ba when ok health wise.
Luke had tore labrum in his right shoulder. He had surgery during off season..like DOB said he might fit for Braves if he pass physical. He is LH hitter. He made 6 million last year.

Bill

December 13th, 2011
9:10 am

I don’t care for Punto like it matters.

Rob

December 13th, 2011
9:10 am

Does it annoy anyone else to read DOB’s blog and then have to read all the stupid comments below? Maybe my comment will be reguarded as stupid for other people. Someone wants George Sherrill back? Why? So the Braves can have FOUR lefties in the bullpen. I doubt they go the Rule 5 route to get a lefty if they had any intentions of bringing Sherrill back. The Braves pen is full they don’t need a couple more arms. Check out the roster.. if Medlen goes into the bullpen he replaces Linebrink. Asencio probably takes the last spot if Moylan isn’t signed later. Hudson not a superstud pitcher? Check his career numbers compared to Halladay. If Schuerholz’ legacy was tainted, it was by the Texiera trade, and not a letter he sent to fans. Nelson Cruz isn’t being traded.. no way! Ryan Theriot is NOT a good player. Maybe people should try watching a guy play before they say he’s good we should get him. The Cardinals traded for Furcal to get Theriot out of the everyday lineup. Theriot hits like Alex Gonzalez, and is nowhere near the caliber defender that Gonzo is. David Wright is a free agent after next season if his option isn’t picked up and if he’s traded the club option is voided. Why would the Braves give up anything for a guy they don’t have a position for next year and becomes a free agent after that? Chipper isn’t riding the pine next year if healthy… and he wasn’t bad in 2011. Hopefully their are logical Braves fans that don’t waste their time posting on the blog, because save for a few people that consistently make good comments everyone on here needs to get a grip. If Brian McCann strains an oblique in the middle of next season again then I’ll be worried, but with Lowe being out of the rotation and Teheran, Delgado and Minor all having more big league experience next season the Braves can weather rotation injuries a little better and there will be no collapse at the end of the season. This was a top 5 team in baseball for 3/4 of the season last year. Some of you should remember that.

Bill

December 13th, 2011
9:12 am

torn labrum.sp

Enrique Romo

December 13th, 2011
9:16 am

Yep they know exactly how to finish 2nd in the division every year. Great leadership !

Enrique Romo

December 13th, 2011
9:18 am

Constanza is a minor leaguer & Diaz couldn’t stick with the lowly Pirates. That’s the kind of players the Braves love. Scrubs.

bvillebaron

December 13th, 2011
9:31 am

Enrique Romo:

Apparently a significant number of Braves fans also love career minor leagues given the number of posts I have seen which act like Constanza is the next great thing.

Heathcliff Slocum

December 13th, 2011
9:32 am

Comforting to hear the Braves at least are keeping open the option of bringing Moylan back. But at the same time, they are taking a chance with the non-tender. His work over the years with the Braves has not been lost on pitching hungry teams.

MJ

December 13th, 2011
9:32 am

Sorry to see Moylan go, but it is hard to justify spending money on an injured player, who may or may not return to form. If he is unclaimed and demonstrates that he can still pitch effectively, then picking him up again would be great. Prado is a solid infield “position” player, and a very good utility player. Hard to believe the Braves would not want to hang on to him. Bourn is an excellent player, who give the braves a dimension they are always fall short in, which is team speed. He is an excellent defensive player, and it would be great, after giving away Furcal and Andrus and getting nothing in return, if they signed him to a contract extension before the 2012 season starts and kept that speed in the line-up. It would be a shame to stock the Rangers with talent and get nothing in return (the Texeira trade), and then do the same for the Astros in trading for Bourn last year. If the Braves can sign Uggla, they sure as heck can sign Bourn to a long term deal. If they don’t get it done before the season starts, he will not be back in 2012. Wrenn already knows that. The Braves never negogiate with Boros, in part because his demands are so unrealistic, and in part because he gets inside his players head and really poisons the water. The other potential free agent names are nice to think about, but all have greater star power than Bourn, and all will want money money, which the Braves won’t do. A real owner, like an Arthur Blank, Mark Cuban, or even a Jerry Jones, would never let an asset to their team like Bourn leave, which is exactly what is going to happen with the Braves. I’ll trade Uggla and his contract in a minute to an American League team, as in the Lowe deal, and pay the salary diferential if need be. Use that cash to sign Bourn, who will be alot more valuable to the Braves than Uggla. Uggla is just another Dave Kingman, who played for the Cubbies years ago. Hits a lot of HR’s with no one on base, but always had a terrible batting average, and struck out like crazy. His defense is nothing to get excited about either. Prado is a much better 2nd baseman. Coe on Wrenn, do the right thing and lock Bourn up. You know he is the real deal, and fit in with the team after the trade was made last year. It’s time to “man up”.

ragnar danneskjold

December 13th, 2011
9:35 am

I am a Moylan fan, hope he does well wherever. As to the Bourn reality:

Name G SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS
McLouth 81 50 4 2 .344 .333 .377
Bourn 53 52 22 7 .321 .352 .373

Bill

December 13th, 2011
9:46 am

DOB, December 11 has come and gone.Any winds blowing about Liberty Media wanting to sell the Braves?

Mister Frisky

December 13th, 2011
9:49 am

Now that wanker Moylan can spend more time tweeting with Nickelback.

godoggo

December 13th, 2011
9:59 am

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I like Moyl……he adds a dimension to the Team they havn’t had before in being an Aussie, and in attitude. He has a relaxed approach on the mound….not to compare, but remember when Avery would get on the mound ?…..he Sweated like a Catholic girl after she snuck in from a Rave Party : )

He’ll be a success wherever he lands….and then come back after he spends 3 years somewhere else and command 5 mil a year…..btw, i do love Avery and what he brought.

Plus, whose gonna be SSteve’s New “Manfriend” ? ? ? I’ll miss there banter in the morning with Wach’s gettin way to jealous…….haha

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Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jack's BBQ & Shrimp

December 13th, 2011
10:00 am

agree with Bravesfansince1982’s posts. we are fine. a few tweaks here and there.

what we really need is cheaper beer prices at the TED.

David O'Brien

December 13th, 2011
10:02 am

Brooks Conrad is somewhat of a rarity — a guy not tendered even before reaching arbitration eligibility.

But sometimes team might non-tender a player such as Conrad, who was out of minor-league options, in order to get them off 40-man without clearing waivers, then re-sign to minor league deal w/ ST invite.

Taliban Blows

December 13th, 2011
10:03 am

The Braves are like a race car. They’ve got a great engine (Chipper,McCann,Uggla,Bourn,Freeman,Hudson,Teheran,Venters,Kimbrel) and nice paint job (Prado,Minor,Beachy,Heyward,O’Flaherty) but bad tires (LF & SS). Its a shame to have such a nice car (team) but not to complete it (LF & SS). Those tires by the way are (Quentin LF & J.Rollins SS).

Taliban Blows

December 13th, 2011
10:04 am

That’s why this car (team) will not win the race (NL East).

MatthewH

December 13th, 2011
10:06 am

If you are on Twitter, you need to follow Moylan (@PeterMoylan). He does have a dry sense of humor. His comment from last night was simple-”Oh and I guess I’m a free agent. . ”
I’ll be a Braves fan first, but I will always root for him no matter where he goes.

Lemke's Knuckler

December 13th, 2011
10:26 am

The human body isn’t supposed to be able to do what Moylan does over and over. Poor guy, 3 back surgeries, elbow ligament replacement and now a shoulder surgery. He’s probably going to have to live with a lot of pain for the rest of his life. But you know what, he got his shot at being and ML pitcher and he wouldn’t have gotten that shot without that crazy delivery. We love you Pete and hope you come back and pitch a few more years before you retire. With that personality, I’m sure he’ll have plenty of opportunities when his pitching days are over.

Fols

December 13th, 2011
10:26 am

Agreed, his Twitter account has made him a favorite of mine.

DAMM THIS! We need his tattoo’s in the bullpen. This Atlanta team is too clean cut.

Bill

December 13th, 2011
10:28 am

Clean cut? lol

Banned Poster

December 13th, 2011
10:32 am

I love Pete and would hope he could resign with the Braves. However, I sadly believe this will end up like the whole Smoltz situation several years ago where we told him we would check on his health before making a decision and then the Red Sox outbid us and sign him. Buster Onley (Red Sox homer esquire) already tweeted Peter this morning with that exact hint. So good luck to Pete; hope he’s back in Atlanta, but I seriously have my doubts now.

Terry Dunlap

December 13th, 2011
10:34 am

Why wasn’t anything mentioned on the Brave’s web site, about Alex Gonzalez, signing with the Brewer’s on a one year deal???

Robert

December 13th, 2011
10:38 am

Rob I have watched Theriot play a lot for the Cubs! Your right he’s no comparison to Gonzalez defensively, but he is a hell of a lot better hitter! Plus he can also play second. Would be a good utility guy if the Braves would try and land a real SS, but we all know they are NOT gonna go get a H. Rameriz, or even a JJ Hardy to upgrade that position. They are hoping to keep it warm for a year or two for one of they’re cheaper “can’t miss” propects!

nelson

December 13th, 2011
10:46 am

moylan mister DL no more and conrad ” mister errors ” bye bye … see you later..

Hammond

December 13th, 2011
10:51 am

Hey Rafael why don’t you suit up grab a bat if you are such an expert and you want to fire everyone,
I doubt if you know which end of the bat to hold we have a team be proud of what you got you idiot

David O'Brien

December 13th, 2011
11:03 am

As pinch-hitter Conrad was 13-for-62 (.210) with 29 K in ‘11, the most pinch-hit appearances on the team. Braves pinch-hitters were 15th in NL in avg (.175) and 16th in OBP (.239).

Piedmont Blues

December 13th, 2011
11:06 am

Thanks for the blog, DOB.

I hope the Braves can work out a deal with Moylan. But if I recall, his fastball lost a lot of velocity in 2010 and 2011. He was in the 80s almost all the time. Maybe the shoulder was preventing him from throwing as hard as he had earlier, but the difference was noticeable. And because his control was erratic, the lower speeds made the strikes he threw more hittable. Perhaps a return to health will bring him back to being the old flamethowing sidearmer.

Braves20

December 13th, 2011
11:12 am

Why wasn’t anything mentioned on the Brave’s web site, about Alex Gonzalez, signing with the Brewer’s on a one year deal???

What? Didn’t you hear a great number of us shouting Hallelujah?

Taliban Blows

December 13th, 2011
11:20 am

Moylan who gets paid to get a DOUBLE PLAY IN LATE INNINGS GETS A BLOG ?
Give the Turner Field stadium custodians a blog too DOB. Moylan’s like teets on a boar hog. Useless.

Taliban Blows

December 13th, 2011
11:22 am

If I had a team Moylan nor Conrad would be good enough to be on it. Neither would Fish.

Taliban Blows

December 13th, 2011
11:23 am

After Conrad single handedly cost us a shot at the World Series against the Giants he gets brought back last year. Braves management sucks !

Taliban Blows

December 13th, 2011
11:25 am

Who is Kneikro ?

Brave New World

December 13th, 2011
11:29 am

Brooks Conrad seems like a great guy, and I wish him luck.

David O'Brien

December 13th, 2011
11:53 am

Actually, I’m told now that Conrad had a minor league option. He just didn’t fit Braves now because his spot needed to be able to play SS.

Stuart

December 13th, 2011
11:53 am

I hope both come back. Brooks has been huge in the clutch and Moylan has been really solid when healthy. He was our 7th inning guy at the beginning of last year. So, I hope we get both back.

hmmmmmmmm

December 13th, 2011
11:58 am

Dave, who pays for a player’s surgery and rehab? And if he was hurt playing for them does he get some compensation?

Ozzie

December 13th, 2011
11:59 am

Both guys were great in the club house but it is probably time to move on. To what is the question.

SS, LF and a backup RF who can play FT if Heyward face plants is a tall order when you have 3-5mm to spend after arb and other raises. They may also need one pen vet arm as well.

See Ya Fredi

December 13th, 2011
12:10 pm

The Braves didn’t see Conrad as a good fit any longer. We all know who really doesn’t fit. J-MAN the truth will set them free. But they can’t speak the truth. Fredi needs to go.

Sherrill

December 13th, 2011
12:12 pm

I won’t miss Moylan. Chipper needs to retire. Trade Jurgens and Prado while they still have some value.

The Barves

December 13th, 2011
12:14 pm

Hope we can sign them back. Great guys with fans, always cool and friendly. Moylan will be useful when healthy for the right price. I just hope someone doesn’t sign him out from under us.

and to TB, I hope you don’t become a GM. Really? Bringing in J-Roll now? with our budget? That’s how you sink a team. I like Quentin but the price is high and you can’t be certain who you are getting. And Conrad was not solely responsible for loosing in the playoffs. We keep some guys healthy, or our healthy guys hit (excluding McCann) and maybe we win. but it is ignorant to think that Brooks was the main reason the Giants beat us.

Dwayne

December 13th, 2011
12:16 pm

kniekro is the guy who threw the kanuckle ball.
Skipper, congrats on being first, everyone else is jealous

David O'Brien

December 13th, 2011
12:20 pm

Braves didn’t want Conrad at Triple-A on a major league contract. They could always re-sign him to minor league deal — if they want to and if he doesn’t get any big-league offers or doesn’t like another situation better.

Bubba

December 13th, 2011
12:28 pm

Atlanta sports are getting very BORING!! We can’t make any moves because we are cashed strapped.. are you kidding me.. We used to spend just under what the Yankees are spending for top talent!! We need to get this back… Liberty media!!! Please FREE US from your non-caring ways!! Tax Frauds!!

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