Braves get lefty reliever in Rule 5 draft

The Braves then signed Fish to a 10 yr 254 million dollar deal

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I think a trade will be done. Teams will get desperate soon when Spring Training starts rolling around and they’ve got no legit free agents to run to. Wren is just waiting till then, when his astronomical asking price looks reasonable. Like children’s toys at walmart on Christmas eve. You don’t want to pay the price, but do you really have a choice?

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if this fish is so good why was he left unprotected?

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He posted a 12.16 K/9 but a pretty high 5.34 BB/9 in 30.1 innings in AA last year. If gets his control figured out he should be a help in middle relief.

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caught… sorry

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We could have a coma patient for a GM…….We would have the same results. FANS ARE PI$$$$$$$$$$$$$ED and we aint gonna forget that 10.5 game lead we choked away. But you can lie to us and tell us that were making moves????????

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The one positive to look at is that we didn’t sell out the kitchen sink for an unproven like the Falcons.

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How much did he cost? $50,000? Oh, that’s alot of money. Who do you think we are? The Marlins?

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Now we will have to raise season ticket prices.

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While they were at it with the Angels, the Braves should have found a way to pick up Steve Trout. Of course, getting Mike Carp from Seattle would be also be a pretty good catch.

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So Braves nation is supposed to buy the company line that no changes are necessary. Let’s see, they have questions at short, third (age) right, and left. That’s have the starting eight. No changes necessary? One that needs to be done immediately is replace Frank Wren. Our astute GM has led us to one playoff in four years. When the stadium is less than filled and the Braves don’t make it again, maybe questions will be asked about his performance. He has got to go.

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a wild minor league reliever. I smell world series. Is there a dumber manager than Fredi. Everytime he opens his mouth I hear Vin Scully say He must not know who Kemp is.

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Great pick up in Fish, especially if he works out. He could well make the jump from double A. Also, I’d like to see the Bravos make a play for Cody Ross. We could use him in the outfield and let Prado play left, 3rd and some at second.

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Fish can possibly hlep redcue the laod on Vneters. that was a good move. according to BA, 2nd time rule 5 guys do not get offerred back if they dion’t stay on 25 man roster . they go through waivers or can request being made free agents.
3 or 4 teams talking to us in total doesn’t sound too promising for 2 players. looks like nothing will happen .
we’ll hold on Jurgens and let him walk away like everyone else. it’s becoming a Braves tradition.

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Once again, the blog fills up with people who just vent because Wren doesn’t run his team like a fantasy league team. There isn’t a single signing that happened at the Winter Meetings that I wish the Braves had made. Not a single one. Good job, Wren!

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So the only move we make is to get some back up minor league reliever?????? I guess 78-84 is acceptable for next year?

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BravesFanLostInOhio , for ME, anyhow, it’s not the “moves not made” that bothers me. It’s the words said. When a Braves fan hears “once more free agents sign with teams, activity should pick up,” we conjure up images of Raul Mondesi and (insert any starting LF the last few years).

The only “fantasy” baseball management going on here is the Braves’ front office making statements like and thinking they’ll make MORE $$$ via ticket sales.

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Calm down BravoNation….lol I don’t have a problem with Wren’s approach. As a matter of fact, I would be as angry as you guys are now if Frank “does” trade one of our boys. C’mon guys. Relax. We have one of if not the best pitching staffs in baseball, one of if not the best bullpen in baseball, our only weakness was the offense. This time last year i’m sure everyone on this blog was excited about the line we had going into last season. We had just gotten Uggs to provide that right handed power we needed and he did that. It just took him 81 games to remember how…lol Hopefully this new hitting coach will do a better job of helping guys out of slumps. This teams does not need that big trade that everyone is crying for. This team can win as is! Heyward will be much better, no way Prado struggles the way he did last year, Uggs starts the way he ended last year, the Chipster will be the guy he always been, B-Mac has gotten a lot better at throwing guys out and we all know what he can do with the bat, Bourne is the speedster leading off that we’ve needed since Furcal. We have all the bats we need. We have all the players we need. I would’nt object to a new skipper though….lol

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@BravesFanLostInOhio So you are gonna give Wren credit for not doing anything? Granted There is not really free agents I want for the price paid (Reyes). But we still need a SS and another bat, and Wren doesn’t even seem like there is a problem. Also our bullpen was gassed out at the end of the season and we needed another experienced closer to backup Venters and Kimbrel. But you give him credit???? All Wren did is take a little vacation in Dallas and sat on his AR$$$$$$. Heck I’ll give him credit for being able to just spend company time on drinks and food and stay in a 5 star hotel and not have to do any work.

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I wrote 4 days ago that Wren was going on another of his dumpster digging trips, guess what he found a rotten fish and is bringing it home, at a very high price I might add, not much cash but he must occupy one of the 25 man roster spots for the entire season, those spots are very, very valuable.

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DOB: I thought I heard the Braves did not keep Gonzalez
because he wanted a 2 yr. contract. Now he signs a 1 yr.
deal with the Brewers. Why did the Braves let him go?

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That dude, is right on. And I too am worried about Freddie. Have to take a better look at him this year before I make up my mind.

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Marlins get some big fish.Braves get some dude named Fish.Throw it back.

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Hey want to sign me again? I could be your # 2 startere, if Jurrjens does get traded

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I know its taboo to trade within the division, but how about Emilo Bonifacio and Logan Morrison for Jair Jurrjens

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If JJ is really trade bait,How about a trade for Michael Young from the Rangers. JJ and maybe another prospect and maybe the Rangers would be willing to eat some of the 16M that Young is scheduled to make in 2012.Young is a 10 and 5 guy but may be getting tired of being shuffled around the Rangers lineup. He is a versatile guy can play anywhere on the infield and is a dangerous bat.He could also provide some more veteran leadership in the clubhouse,something the Braves have been lacking recently. He is most likely too expensive for the penny pinchers running the Braves.

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Wren has been smart (and if you can’t see that well… you don’t understand baseball at all… yer just another fair weather fan. a whiney one at that)

He was waiting for the Free agent arms to sign. This gives him increased leverage in regards to JJ as the alternative options for teams in need of starters has dropped. If they want a #2 level pitcher the only option is JJ and they are going to have to pay what FW wants because they have no choice. If there are 4 or 5 serious teams in for JJ, one of the WILL overpay for him. If nobody bites, then you stick him back in the rotation and wait for July. I don’t see Prado getting moved afterall… I just don’t think they will get the outfielder they want for him.

As far as the upcoming season goes, this team (without Freeman) was near the top in oBP in 2010 and scored plenty of runs. New hitting coach and mgr and the obp dropped dramatically. Well, IF the new regime focuses on getting on base more this alone should move the Braves to at least a mid level team with the bats and with their staff , should make them a threat to win the East! (yes even with Prado in LF and Pastornicky at SS).

Panic moves rarely work, and that seems to be what you idiots want. You want FW to just trade away whomever to make a big deal to “prove” to the fans they want to win. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in my life. It’s the kind of stuff the Mets used to do (and we all see how well that’s worked out for them). You want a GM to do something smart and right for the team, not just to show the fans they want to win. You want this team to win? Do the following simple, non flashy moves.

Dump the Raw Dog

Sign Cody Ross to fill in for Prado when he needs to play 3rd and to backup CF.

Sign Ryan Theriot (if he gets non-tendered by the Cards as suggested) to backup the other infield spots. That or just re-sign Jack Wilson.

Trade JJ for a bucket of prospects , if possible make the 2 highest level ones OF prospects.

Give Pastornicky the starting SS job. (his minor league numbers suggest he will at least out hit Gonzo. he has a decent glove, weak arm though, but Freddy oughta help that)

Save any remaining funds to be used at the trade deadline once your weaknesses and strengths have been established.

Nothing flashy, no big names and/or contracts to deal with. But it solves all the teams needs and isn’t expensive and/or handcuffing.

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The Phillys and now the Marlins will dominate the Braves! We didnt make any moves that helped our club is a fair statement to make. Isnt Frank Wrens job to to make moves to help our club? Well then, he didnt do his job. They should have snagged Jose Reyes when they had the chance and we wouldnt need a power hitter in the outfield. Play smart small-ball with Bourne, Reyes and Constanzia in the line-up and we will win more games. How did Tex work out for us when he was here? Dont need power, we need base runners. Major mistake letter Reyes go to the Marlins. Frank Wren just let the Marlins build the next division champs team. Good job FW.

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I honestly don’t think when all is said and done that the Angels will be glad they committed $25 million PER SEASON on a single player for the next 10 years. I don’t care if he was Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, and Henry Aaron all rolled into one, no single player should ever command that kind of money. And yet, once again, it’s a big market with an invested ownership that wins the bidding war; it’s a double-edged sword that will inevitably be pro sports’ undoing.

Would I be happy if the Braves had spent that kind of money and landed Pujols? After witnessing the effects of the Derek Lowe, Kenshin Kawakami, and Mike Hampton contracts on the Braves’ personnel flexibility the past few years, no way. What if Pujols gets injured and/or has his career shortened somehow; 10 years is a LONG time and a lot can happen. In my humble opinion players should get paid for serviced rendered like the rest of us instead of having fat guaranteed contracts paid up front.

That said, it’s very frustrating to see such an apparent lack of acknowledgment from Wren and Braves management about just how badly the team collapsed this September. “I like the pieces we have in place now”. Yeah, keep telling yourselves that, guys.

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Will the Braves ever be relevant in our lifetimes?

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I think Wren owes us an explaination as to why we have made no improvements and to explain why we haven’t made any adjustments to how we blew a 10.5 game lead. Fans are still angry, spurnned and dissapointed. Many fans have lost faith in the organization and we seriously need so sign of hope or communication from the front office to the fans. Because fans are smarter than they were in the past and a whopping majority of fans are questioning the methods employed so far. We need some reassurance.

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One of the reasons the Braves gave for not trying to re sign Alex was that he would demand a multi year contract and that they were not willing to do that at his age. So another team has picked him up with a one year contract offer. Sounds like the Braves leaders lied to us. Is that possible?

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Please, Please do not trade Martin Prado, he is way too valuable of a player. Especially since it’s guaranteed that Chipper will be on the DL at some point during the year. As for Jurrjens, has he not been injured every year he’s been here? Same goes for Hanson, he’s a Tommy John surgery waiting to happen. Don’t get me wrong, when healthy he is effective, but he’s no ace. Give Delgado, Minor and Tehran a shot. If the hitters step up and actually do their jobs then the Bravos will be in the hunt.

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If you want to have D.O.B. to interview Frank Wren or John Scherholtz and to ask them specifically why havent they made any moves to improve this team. I want everyone who posts after me to say “We want the Truth”
WE WANT THE TRUTH!!!
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You said it, Fans are Pi$$3d !! I am still so angry I could spit. But we won’t get the truth, because they don’t know what the truth is.

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You want the truth………….You can’t handle the truth lol
But in all seriousness we do deserve some answers. What the hell.

We want the truth lol

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How was your trip Wren. Did you enjoy your drinks and food? Did you catch a movie? Did you get you a massage then hit the Sauna? How was your flight in 1st class? Did you have extra legroom and complemetry wine? Well I guess I’ll ask you this because you seem like you don’t wanna answer why you didn’t wanna improve your team!!!!

We want the truth!!!!!!!!!

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My big question is why did FG allow Fredi the Freeloader to continue to screw things up? How much damage does one person have to do before the light is seen? Guess 10.5 game loss wasn’t enough.
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The TRUTH shall set you free.We demand the TRUTH.

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J-MAN, I am serious. I am livid. But the truth will not be known. They tell you what they want you to hear. No matter if its lies or not. Did FW not see what was happening? Did he not care as long as he got a paycheck? Bet theres more, a lot more, to this FG deal than we will ever know. But they can’t TELL THE TRUTH

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The Braves are a Joke..they will not get a penny of my money.

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Mr. O’Brien, is any of this sinking in? Are you going to be the fans mouthpiece, or maybe you can’t tell the whole truth either. Maybe its fear, If that’s what it is, then just say so. I don’t think is shameful not to want to lose your job. But then again, we all know who should.

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yes they blew it in september.. just ask boston too. Batista… here is what it will take to get Mr Batista.. we want JJ, Delgado, and Teheran and Bethencourt for our big bopper Batista. And in regards to our ss situation,, I agree with you. I would be a bit concerned if this was March instead of first week of December.

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Sign Ronny Cedeno for SS.. Beltran for LF..trade Diaz and Conrad for anything. Fans will know You care and Braves will roll.

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Beltran for 3 yrs 30 million..chip comes off next year.

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Ronny Cedeno,,, we want a 2 yr deal at 6m each yr with a 3rd yr mutual option. I have 2 single A players for Conrad and Diaz. I will make that trade as the opposing GM.

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Fire.. no I am not saying he can’t… Just because he has not done it yet doesn’t mean he can’t. Please tell me what have the Yankees done, what about redsox, and the cards. I would rather be in our situation than cubs or whitesox. They BOTH spent over 125m last yr.. and where did that get them and they have weak prospects.

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I dont want Carlos Beltran because of how many games he has missed since 2006

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Fire,, as Cedeno’s agent that is what we are asking.. come on you are the braves gm.. pull the trigger what are you waiting for.. your fans are demanding that you make a move NOW.. and J Man.. as the bluejays GM if you want jose.. that is what it will cost you.. he is available for you if you bring that truck load over to the blue jays

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Ray..we not the Damn Yankees..they loaded. The others will start rolling now that they got new GM’s..Hell we not asking for 100m we just want a Good SS and a LF’er that can hit 25 hrs and hit 285..Wren for 3 years has been going to get a LF’er and has yet to do so…am I wrong? All we get is old reruns..damn jokes like Diaz.

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The Braves could have saved a pocket full of money if they had not sent anyone to the winter meetings and gotten the same results.

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Yea but Ray Wren pulled back to sign DEREK LOWE…….So not much better bro

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Well Bobby Valentine is better than Fredi G. He at least got to and won in the play-offs

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Kendall we got two.. Greg Walker and Scott Fletcher

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Jman.. D lowe produced a lot better than AJ Burnett and without the headcase.

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I’ll say he produced a little bit better but not a whole lot better. Compare the ERAs not much difference after the 1st year really. Just Lowe got a lot mor run support, which is weird because it seems like the Brave didn’t score unless it was for Lowe the last 3 seasons.

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I’ll say this when Wren trades for prospects he usually comes out big. (ex. Jair Jurrjens for Renteria, and getting Vizcaino thrown in the Vazquez deal). But really were not that far off in mind thinking its just I’m a bit more pessimistic. But as of right now this team is a 3rd place team and we need a better SS and another power bat. And an experienced reliever with closer ability to give O’ventrabrel a break.

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The Blue Jays aren;t sending their franchise player for that. (I love how people make these assumptions that they other teams will just accept what they offer ). Want Batista? here’s what it would take: JJ, Tehran, Delgado and Prado, at a minimum/ That would be the dumbest deal the Braves have ever done. It would make people forget the Texiera trade.

There are no impact LF bats out there except for Beltran. Now if you want to move JJ and Prado to the Rockies for Wheeler, Arenado and 2 low level prospects and then sign Beltran… I guess that might work.But IMO, that’s almost too good to be true.

I don’t understand the mentality on here that FW must make a knee jerk stupid, Omar Minaya type signing or else he’s done a bad job. In fact, by not making any rash decisions, I think he’s done an excellent job. I’m even beginning to think that prado isn’t being traded and only JJ will be moved for prospects. Now, since we know Prado can’t play SS, this would mean he’s starting in LF next year and we will be grabbing a backup who can play CF and a utility infielder who can play SS. There’s no reason to blow this team sky high and make dumb trades or overpay for Willingham or bring in Carlos Quentin. With better plate discipline this team has already proven it can get on base in 2010. They do that, they will be just fine.

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I almost forgot.WE WANT THE TRUTH!

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We want the Funk…….er I mean We want the truth

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How much money is available after Lowe trade and with this supposed budget slight increase for a Free Agent LF? And if its not going toward a FA, why are you cutting payroll? WE WANT THE TRUTH.

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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.Twenty plus years of hoarding pitchers has yielded one WS title compounded with several embarrassing post season outcomes.Go get some hitters.Look at every playoff team last year and look at 2011 Braves.No 100 RBI man.No one batted 300.And no REAL #3 hitter.The TRUTH lies in a offense that is feared.

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HERE’S THE TRUTH…. you are all bumbling morons who have some convoluted idea that management is required to drop everything and make some stupid trade that doesn’t exist.

Please, give us your plans on what should be done. a reasonable plan that you wish FW would do. (not trade all our pitchers and prado for Batista thats a stupid plan). C’mon , sumthing….

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Ray,One of those guys would look good in the tomahawk though.

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So, just to summarize: Angels have had guys with last names Salmon, Trout, and Fish in their organization. Is this odd to anyone else besides me?

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good observation Brad Komminsk.. I say if the Reds are really interested in JJ, we should try and get that Yadier Alonso kid who is their best prospect. he is a young 22yr old power hitting left fielder who the scouts say is legit 5 tool player.. if anyone wants JJ, they wil have to pay a hefty price no matter what.. by the way, FIRE FRANK and FREDI, they both suck.

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Some of the people on this blog, just don’t get it. Wren is doing the best he can. You don’t give JJ & Prado away for nothing. Just be patient, I think Wren will do something good to improve this team. The Braves need a little luck with the health of their players.

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BillM… You are correct. Some deals take time. Wren and the Braves usually end up on the plus side in trades. Some of the comments on here make it sound like Wren is just sitting and doing nothing. Not on the phone.. not returning phone calls. It has been reported by a number of sources that there have been a lot of teams calling for prado and JJ. I think when it comes to trades, Wren has proven he is a very good negotiator.

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I think JJ will be traded for decent bat (would love for it to be Chris Coughlin). As much as it sucks I think 2013 is going to be the free agent signing year for he Braves. We just have to free up some cash from Lowe & Chipper right now it’s just not there. I do like that the Braves are sticking to the plan of getting younger and I think it will pay off in the end.

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Unreal. Braves leave winter meetings with a pitcher 3 teams cut ? Wren should have just stayed home.

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Trade Jurrgens & Prado for Quentin & top prospect then sign Jimmy Rollins to play SS.

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Trader Jacks, is it true the Braves are run by Chipper and Bobby? WE WANT THE TRUTH!

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No blame placed on the Braves as an organization. I would stay hush as well. Problem is that they should not be allowed to be kept as hush as they do IF THIS PAPER WOULD ACTUALLY ASK QUESTIONS. Every one of these articles could have and were probably written from a closet in Canton. So no new deals? Ok, what is the budget and where does this team stand in relation to last year? Gone is Lowe money, Nate money, KK money Aussie money, Agon money. Added to the 7M we heard that would be available and subtracted from the natural raises for current players, where does this team stand? Because from my math, there should be something left, right? Maybe? Who knows? DO any of you read the other 29 cities papers? You think the Yankees could have stashed KK and all those millions in the pen for 6 weeks without even using him and the Times of Post not ask WHY? Six weeks and no questions? That is where the blame lies. RIGHT HERE IN THIS PAPER. WE WANT SOME TRUTH.

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@bozz,

Dude, just Google the payroll and you have your answer. Also, KK sucked, that’s why he wasn’t used. There’s no great conspiracy here to hide information from the fans, yet from reading the comments here it seems that true fans are far and few in between. Everyone is just whining and complaining about a team that will contend for the division title in the upcoming year.

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Wren is a fool if he trades Prado…..Sure he got hurt last year.So did everyone else on the team one time or another..Keep em at all cost…..

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Just for a laugh, I took your advice and Googled ‘Atlanta Braves payroll’ and couldn’t for the the life of me track down a number of the expected expenditures for the 2012 season. I did find the following links exploring the idea of an increase in spending:

http://atlanta.sbnation.com/atlanta-braves/2011/11/7/2542794/atlanta-braves-mlb-trade-rumors-free-agents

The first reference to the AJC came on page two of search results and was a story from a season ago where CEO responds to a report on a payroll reduction that, oddly enough, came from and was published somewhere other than the AJC. I will say that at least the AJC, when finally forced to ask some actually questions, did do a decent job of laying out the budget at that time:

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2010/04/18/mcguirk-braves-payroll-hasnt-been-wont-be-slashed/

But, go ahead and follow your own idea, Bozz, please and this is in no way sarcastic. If you have time, Google this and let me know where the Braves currently are projected to be with money on this books or assumed will be on the books Opening Day and how much is left to be applied toward the projected 2012 budget. I just, frankly, would rather the flagship newspaper and media covering this team to do that leg work and let me stick to Googling other things like Will Ferrell Milwaukee Best beer commercials, which, by the way, are hillarious.

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And in response to KK sucked so there is your answer. If he is not hurt and he is on the 25 man roster, there should be a situation inside of a six week window that even the ’sucks’ should get some work. Especially with that pricetag. But nothing. And, as I pointed out then, it took six weeks for the subject to be addressed. But, who cares? Anyone heard that new Blues Traveler CD? How bout that barbeque joint out in the middle of nowhere? Thats what I am concerned about.

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When I watch Baseball Tonight I want them to report that a big name player has signed to the Braves. It’s as simple as that.

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Come on Guys….This organization will never change unless the FANS make it happen….Stop going to the dang games!! Maybe that will wake up the front office. This team is always rummaging through the scrap pile for players and it makes me sick!

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FW to Braves fans: “You can’t handle the TRUTH” lol

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I’m not sure how many games the Braves will win in 2012, but I am fairly certain Frank Wren doesn’t waste his time reading any of these blogs. BTW, Wren has done a very good job since he took over as GM.

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Prado will be fine and healthy and other than Chipper, yes Chipper, the only player capable of hitting 300 for the year. Other than the 1 1/2 year rental Bourne. And Chip won’t b off the books. They’ll exercise his 2013 option. Mark my words. Shouldve traded Heyward before every pitcher found that 6 ft hole in his swing. Get rid of JJ while u can. He’ll b on the dl more than Chipper. Logan Morrison and prospects I say. Hanson will b hurt evry year till he gets shipped out. Couldn’t say I didn’t c it coming with that funky delivery. Need a couple relievers b4 Freddie burns the tires off the relief corps again. 15 relievers and no bench considering no one can go more than 5 innings besides Huddy and he just had surgery.

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CALM DOWN…BE PATIENT ATLANTAS FAN…FOUR(4) IS GOOD ENOUGH(FOR MORON WREN)….THAT’S THE “POINT”….NOT MONEY…NO GAME!!!!!

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Sign Jimmy Rollins now !!!!!

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Wren, get on your hands and knees and beg Liberty Media to allow you to sign Jimmy Rollins. The Braves future next year depends on it…

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By signing Rollins you add a great player while taking away a great player from the rival Phillies !

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lets get through this year with what we got plus a little tweeking here and there. lets save our pennies and make a run at david wright. chipper will be gone after the 2012 season and wright hits the free agent market same time. we should have some decent money to throw at the guy and he would be coming to a team without all the mess of the mets. plus no owners talking badly about him to the press. its an idea

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Rollins for 2 years would be a great move.

I see that Wren beat the stray cats to the dumpster for Fish, eh Ralph ? LMAO.

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The way our bullpen floundered at the end of the season, maybe Fish will catch us an extra win here or there.

Now, if we could just find someone with the heart and speed of Sid Bream.

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Chipper does not come off the books unless he plays less gamesin 2012 than he has the last two years. We are not that smart.

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If we are staying cheap, I think that we should get Jack Wilson to play for 2 months and then promote Pastornicky from AAA (where he has a few more abats and is in mid season form).

We don’t expect much from a #8 hitter except defense, so I believe that we should let Pastor develop a little more.

I don’t feel like we are hearing the whole truth from the Braves mgmt. And that may be good. All we heard from the Braves last year was that Pastornicky was not ready yet but all of a sudden during the offseason, he has gotten ready?

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You crybabies CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH… the truth is, you don’t know JACK about what went on at the meetings… nada… the truth is 99% of you don’t know JACK about baseball in general… the truth is you’re the crappiest bunch of fans in the majors… the truth is you have no stomach for the game and need to find other diversions to entertain yourselves… go watch golf and holler “YOU DA MAN” like the bunch of crackuhs you are…

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Jack Wilson is free agent. Let him go, couldn’t hit the side of the barn.

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Jack Wilson can’t hit either.A must keep.

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Man… Frank Wren sucks out loud. He is a bargain basement parasite. If you can’t field a good team Wren then quit you loser.

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when was that charles?

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So you an old Milwaukee Brave fan..68 years old.
Remember…Del Candall,Frank Torre, Red Schoendient sp, Eddie Mathews, Wes Covington, Hank , Joe adcock, Spahn, Lew B, Ernie Johnson, Bob Buhl even Chuch Tanner played LF. They won 95 games…Better than todays Braves.
Fans have a right to complain. Nothing is perfect and todays Braves have a ton of if’s. I respect your opinion now respect ours.

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Here comes the undisputed BS from the Marlins. This won’t be open, that want be open. Just pay your money and head on in.

Marlins ballpark to open without shops, cafes

The city of Miami has yet to lease any of the store and restaurant spaces in its parking garages at the new Marlins ballpark slated to open this spring. – Updated 22 minutes ago

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Looks like another non productive day in Braves country. Is Wren waiting for every single free agent to sign so he can then say that there wasn’t anyone out there that fit what we were looking for? Good grief, for a team that collapsed so miserably in Sept and choked away the playoffs and have so many question marks, they sure didn’t do a damn thing to improve this team. If they don’t care, why should any of we?

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what hapened to our farm system…. sign some one good and the win 10 more in a row… thats where to start i think? need some one to give pep talk ?

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People, people, people. This is THE Atlanta Braves. THEY are NOT going to do a darn thing to put a great team on the field. LISTEN to what they say. YOUTH, YOUTH, YOUTH. Farm teams, farm teams, farm teams. Did you not HEAR what they were saying???? Try, Oakland A’s EAST. That is what the Braves are going to become. EVEN though the Pirates signed has beens, AT LEAST they ARE DOING SOMETHING. The Braves??? They just sit and wait. Hamstrung by a $15 million contract for a finished 40 year old 3B. Enjoy 2012. The Braves will be out of it by July and will be sending a lot of these over priced burned out vets packing. FOR . . . . . . . MORE PROSPECTS!! New name for the team can be: The Atlanta Prospects!!!

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Here we go again. Take your defeatize attitude and take it to Philly or Florida. Be an Atlanta and have a positive attitude. If not, then find another team and leave my Atlanta Braves alone.

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Starters will be:

Medlen – RH or Delgado – RH
Hanson – RH
Beachy – RH
Hudson – RH
Minor – LH

JJ will be on another team, and Teheran @ AAA.

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Everyone is dumping on Fredi. But I say “Tip your hat” to him.

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JJ AND O’ FLAHERTY FOR VOTTO.
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!

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The Brave’s are Fishing here……….what makes anyone think that Fish has a chance on the big league club when he couldn’t even make the Yankees after they rule 5ed him in 2010……Hell if Scott Proctor could pitch for the Yanks and Fish didn’t what makes anyone think he is any good!We all know Proctor sucked!

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Who’s with me?
We are the 99%…of Braves fans who want some action!

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Angels just got 5,000 to show up for Pujols and Wilson introduction.How many will show up for the intro of Fish?Better yet do Braves even get 5,000 for the home opener?

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You have to give The Fish a chance. Who had heard of O’Flat?????.He has done a pretty good job. It wouldn’t hurt to have another lefty in pen.

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Has anyone ever heard of O’Flat.Has anyone at 755 Hank Aaron drive ever heard of O’FFENSE?

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Who are these fools giving Wren credit for unloading Derek ‘the Loser’ Lowe? Don’t they know who made the incompetent decision to hire and overpay for Lowe to begin with?

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Hey Charles, I am positive that they Braves lied and haven’t addressed the needs that they said they would after the epic collapse last season. If you are fan that just watches 10-15 games a year and is always saying “Oh well, there is always next year” then you my friend are not a real fan.\

Real fans want their teams to win and get mad when they don’t do anything. 14 division titles is great and all, but 1 WS title in that same time frame is pathetic. If you saw the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, or Phillies winning their division 14 straight years, I guarantee they all would win more than 1 WS title. Hell, the Marlins have won more WS titles than the Braves did in their 14 straight appearances and the Marlins never came close to making the playoffs 14 straight years. Does that say something?

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Hell, the Marlins have won more WS titles than the Braves did in their 14 straight appearances and the Marlins never came close to making the playoffs 14 straight years. Does that say something?

Yeah, it said they made the wildcard while they were hot and it carried over to a World Championship. It doesn’t mean they are arseholes for making the playoffs as constructed, it means that those making the rules are arseholes.

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Jeff Passan ranked the free agents. He’s hilarious !

Link : http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AmjKH4uHQUzK.yjTfSj8V9ARvLYF?slug=jp-passan_ultimate_free_agent_tracker_baseball_110211

Here’s what he said about Braves great Jack Wilson :

Jack Wilson(notes), IF: In two stops this season, came remarkably close to the rare SLG-lower-than-OBP-when-both-under-.300 trick, something reserved for the very finest in offensive ineptitude. Thank goodness he owns a glove.

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I am so happy frank wren is following in MY footsteps as WORST GM in Atlanta history.

Another guy who should NEVER have been given the GM position and he has the Great trait of doing nothing or making TERRIBLE trades to hurt the team.

Keep up the great work “frank” maybe they will be the Winnipeg Braves sooner… rather than later and you will FINALLY LOSE your job then !!! Just look at ME !!!

John S. may have been a very good GM, but as President, he is TERRIBLE, as he continues to allow this GM “jobber” to do nothing and keep his job.

Do us ALL a favor “frank” move to Winnipeg and get the HELL out of baseball !

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NickB,

Unknowing moron? Tough guy behind a keyboard huh? Did I say sign Pujols? No I didn’t, I said I wish they would sigh a impact player like him. Ex wife of fans? Jeez, that is so original, did it take you all night in mommy’s basement to come up with that?

So are you a Royals, Pirates, or Mariners fan? It seems that way seeing as though we are spoiled and you know all about “sports pain” So all this team needs is a backup Of’er and backup SS and they will be just fine? So having a unproven rookie SS and a guy who is not good enough to be a starting Of’er is going to make this team better? And you say we don’t know anything about the game?

I got plenty of things to sweep up here in Wisconsin, I’ll start with your woman’s panties after I get done with them tonight.

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Hello NICK B. I finally got to help me shut these whining babies. They could have an allstar at every position and win 10 ws and they would still whine. The Braves are still a good team.Of course i want them to win but at least i dont whine and cry like these UNbrave fans.

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NickB,

Bravesfan Wisconsin-

please become a Brewers fan. You are a complete unknowing moron. You add nothing to the discussion.

I apparently added something to the conversation seeing as though you read my post and decided to comment on it huh?

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Hello Unbraves fan Wisconsin. For your information i was in Turner field for 33 of their 81 home games. The rest i watched on extra innings. I do not even live in Georgia. Can you say the same. They need aback up ss and a power hitting outfielcer. Thats all. If you check position by position.The bravesare in good shape. So do me a favor and shut up about how bad they are or pick another team to cry about.

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Chuck, er Charles,

Yeah, I am sure that you were there for that many home games without living in the state. The Braves are in good shape huh? 3 of their top 5 starting pitchers are a health concern Hudson, Hanson, and Jurrgens. 1 can’t get out of the 5th inning in most starts because he already has over 100 pitches at that point, Beachy. And the 5th starter (whoever that ends up being) can’t do it on their own. Their bullpen success will depend on the starting staff.

So again, this team only needs a backup SS behind a rookie that has never played in the big leagues before, and a backup OF player in order to contend? Take off the Navy Sunglasses, and put down the Red Kool Aid.

So do me a favor, be a real fan and admit when a team is doing nothing, and stop being a Homer.

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O.K. 1 more time. The Phillies got nobody new. Their old. The Marlins got Reyes WOW great pickup that makes Ramirez upset. They got Bell. If their not ahead He does no good. They got an Americanleague pitcher that wont do wellin n l . Braves have used at least one rookie every year for the last 3 yrs and it worked They had the 4th besr Era in baseball. If you are so upset with them,thenwrite them a check for 200mil Then if they dont do anything you can cry.But until they getan allstar team you wont be happy. So why dont change your diaper and pick you another team. Ilove the Braves and want you babies to leave them alone.

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NickB got it right.

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C’mon Brad, Beth. Let DOB fly free. Spread his wings. Seriously. Give the man more commas and, to really drive the point home, more added words.

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If you keep Fredi then you have to make SOME changes.
If you would have got rid of him I wouldv’e understood not making any additions. SO DOB WHEN the BRAVES miss the play-offs will any changes be made then. Also, you need to post a comment because some of these people are unfairly taking their frustration out on you. Remember Keep your pimp hand strong. But I am a loyal Braves FAN and cheer for them when they lose 100 but I’ll be angry and write up on the posts about it but as long as they TRY to improve I’ll give them the benefit of doubt. But they haven’t even tried this off-season. Be honest have you ever covered a team to make as few of transactions as this team has this offseason.

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With fans like Charles, who needs fans? one funny guy. Just eat, spit and be happy. Win, lose are draw I’m with boys. Just show up!
You to Nick= homer-yes man. What my wife calls a a** kisser.

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Eric- I think I saw your wife at Westminster, she won her group!!!

You crybaby “fans” can complain all you want. But you have this sense of entitlement that amuses me. You want the Braves to have a $200 mill budget, always judge talent perfectly, never have players have down seasons and when they do they should be traded. No team has ever done this in the history of the game. (not that I expect many of you to understand the history of the game). Smart fans know that much of the hitting woes were due to a very old timey stupid hitting philosophy professed by our now fired hitting coach (seriosuly, top 5 in OBP in 2010 then boom, bottom 3 in 2011…..horrible philosophy). This same group of players that scored all those runs in 2010 will be back with a better hitting coach tandem as well as probably improvement from Heyward,Prado ,Uggla and a season of Bourne in CF instead of Shafer.

I predict , that with no additions, this team should probably be 6th or 7th in offense in the NL, and with the Braves pitching staff, thats enough to win 95+ AND CHALLENGE FOR THE DIVISION!!!

To listen to you people, you would think that the entire season last year was like September… It wasn’t, stow yer hankies and man up for goodness sake….. I guess you would all be happy if the team spent like crazy and ended up riddled with inujured $18 mill per season players like the Mets , or traded everything every year like the A’s…… Yeah, that’s fundamentally sound baseball…….

Seriously, ask DOB, he will verify all that I have said is true. You don’t build a team with knee jerk reactions and an blank check. You build a team with smart decisions that consider both the near and long term repurcussions of ALL financial decisions.

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Hawks fans asked very similar questions that Braves fans asked of their beat writer about the financial constraints levied against their team.

Here is an example, from MC over at the Hawks blog, of doing work:

Headline: Atlanta Hawks: Ruck Sund says Hawks don’t want to pay tax, making Jamal Crawford’s return doubtful

I’m full.

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Lets see within the division NL East//The Marlins get Reyes we get Drew Sutton,The Marlins get lefthander Mark Burlhe we get lefty Robert Fish,The Marlins pick up the San Diego Closer,The Braves well I guess we could have picked up The San Diego Chicken but instead we dump Derek Lowe,Bell,Reyes and Buhrle have any of their previous teams even come close to winning a division?I still wish we would have picked up Hunter Pence instead of the Bourne Identity.So The Philles get Pap from Boston and lose Roy Ostwalt and possibly Ryan Madson and Maybe Jimmy Rollins.You Gotta be Happy with Sutton & Fish.Let,s see spring training is just eight weeks away.Who will be the Phantom SS or the would be power hitting LF Only time will tell.Frank Wren whats on your Christmas wih list?????

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Man, NickB, you’re killing it dude. Nice job.

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Hoping that if the Braves non-tender Peter Moylan, they have some sort of back door deal in place. Extremely tough on right handers and not too bad against leftys. A team with playoff aspirations needs a guy like Moylan.

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Trade Prado & Jurrgens for a star LF then sign Jimmy Rollins at SS and roll on baby !

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agree @ 9:40..Let Moylan go..why take the chance after two operations. Maybe Fish will do the trick!

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Liberty Media will not get anything for Christmas. It is too much like Scrooge.

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Hey Guys,
How about this and this is trading within your division…..Trade J.J for Hanley Ramirez. Read some rumors fthat he doesn’t want to play 3rd base and he wants out of Miami. If that happens those promising SS you have coming up…maybe they can play outfield?

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Also Phillies signed LP Frank Gailey and OF’r from Nationals Laynce Nix…and the beat goes on.

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The Bible said not to call anyone a fool. Therefore I’ll just say u are a idiot.
To disagree don’t mean you’re not loyal are not a fan..get a life and stop smoking what ever you smoking.
Around July all-star break we’ll see where Braves stand in League.

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So correct me if I am wrong:

We saved:
~ $5 mill getting rid of DLowe
~ $11 mill buying out McClouth
~ $7 mill with Kawakami expired contract
~ $2 mill not resigning AGon

So we have nearly $25 mill off the books from last year yet we didn’t sign a single quality player.

And we are supposed to get excited for 2012…lol

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What bully? Do u know the meaning of the word.

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Math? MATH? Who cares? And what does that have to do with BBQ and Drive By Truckers? I am glad that it seems as some here are starting to get why they should expect actual questions asked and coverage from this newspaper. Breaking stories would be nice, but Christ I will just take simple questions like the one you ask above. Where is the budget currently and what is left to use toward the remaining spots left yet unfilled?

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DOB,
You scared me for a sec, dude. I mean, you’re a good guy but “obsession” is more in the @ group, not me.

Also, Tom Waits rules but is absolutely horrid music to try and study to.

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Hey Charles: Sieg Heil !!!

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Fans are Pi$$3d
December 8th, 2011
5:55 pm

We blow a 10.5 game lead and do nothing about it and they think fans will come next season??????

******

Not this fan.

Not until we fire FG….

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reckingball
December 8th, 2011
7:43 pm

I think that Wren is doing a good job. He is smarter than the average fan.
The Braves can win the WS in 2012 with the team that they have now.
If Wren does trade JJ or Marteeen, it will be a trade stacked in the Braves favor.
GO BRAVES 2012!!!!!!

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Lol….your stupidity is growing, i see, as the holidays near…

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“Oh, and you should get the new Tom Waits CD. Excellent.”

BAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAW!!! Brilliantly sublime.

By the way, if you get a chance to see George Thorogood & The Destroyers on tour, I highly, HIGHLY recommend it. Their show down here was absolutely a time machine event. He still beats that guitar up like a rented mule, and they sounded amazing!

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This Fish guy could be a nice piece added to the bullpen this season. As far as the WE WANT THE TRUTH thing goes…this is Liberty Media. What are you expecting? There is no baseball infatuated owner with a hell-bent desire to win controlling the purse strings, just an army of bean counters looking to maximize profits over debits. Soulless. Sure I don’t like Frank Wren, heck, I don’t think he could win the WS with a payroll of $200 million or a $10 baseball fantasy league. But the real culprit in the Braves past and future mediocrity (yes I said it, they had the best staff ever assembled IMO and let it die on the vine without building a dynasty around Glavine, Maddux, and Smoltz) is Liberty Media, just as it was with Time-Warner. Their goals begin and end with the ledger, not what happens between the lines. Their success is measured with stock prices not championships. That’s the way they’ll always be. You should be used to it by now.

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best for you chanel 2011 , just clicks away

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