4:25 pm December 8, 2011, by David O'Brien
December 8th, 20119:51 pm
@ Ray I’m obviously not a GM (probably for a good reason lol) but if I made the hypothetical Batista deal. Here is what I would give up Prado, Jair Jurrjens, Vizcaino, Simmons for Batista and Frank Francisco
December 8th, 20119:52 pm
The Braves could have saved a pocket full of money if they had not sent anyone to the winter meetings and gotten the same results.
Fire.. no we are not the yankees..they are loaded and old and getting older.. their rotation is a mess,, they are paying 25m a yr for a player that hits 180-210 in the playoffs.. and their payroll is almost 200m. We were in the running for AJ Burnett.. Wren pulled back and he signed with the Yanks and Wren got ripped to shreds. it was a good non move.
December 8th, 20119:54 pm
Yea but Ray Wren pulled back to sign DEREK LOWE…….So not much better bro
WE want the Truth!!!!!
December 8th, 20119:56 pm
Jman.. sorry I am not pulling that trigger not to give up someone that is producing 40+ hr’s a yr.. sorry.. if you want batista that is what I will give you.. but I will give you the option to pick our best prospects from the #4-#10 range..
Bobby Valentine is better than Fredi G
Well Bobby Valentine is better than Fredi G. He at least got to and won in the play-offs
December 8th, 20119:57 pm
Ae we really getting a new batting coach? Who is it, and does anyone think he can help our hitters?
December 8th, 20119:59 pm
Kendall we got two.. Greg Walker and Scott Fletcher
December 8th, 201110:02 pm
So you not pulling the trigger not to give up a 40 hr player. Then if your “not not” doing that means you are pulling the trigger lol. Besides Prado is a all-star 2nd baseman and JJ is a young pitcher that is an all-star before he got hurt. And the Blue Jays had the most HR and Runs in the Majors last year th reason they didn’t do any better was because they did’n have any pitching. (Jojo Reyes is a starter for them) and you add vizcaino and Simmons. I think they would seriously consider that, not saying they take it but its not just an instant no like your making it out to be.
We want the truth!!!!!
Jman.. D lowe produced a lot better than AJ Burnett and without the headcase.
December 8th, 201110:06 pm
J man Its not but as you know.. its all about the negotiations.. and some deals take weeks and weeks to pull off. And everyone is all upset because Wren didn’t get anything done at the winter meetings. The fact is.. we all know it does take two to pull off a deal. This I will give Wren credit for.. when he does pull off a trade, he doesn’t get ripped off.. a lot of gm’s can’t say that
December 8th, 201110:08 pm
I’ll say he produced a little bit better but not a whole lot better. Compare the ERAs not much difference after the 1st year really. Just Lowe got a lot mor run support, which is weird because it seems like the Brave didn’t score unless it was for Lowe the last 3 seasons.
December 8th, 201110:12 pm
oh no doubt.. there was a yr with smoltz where he suffered many losses because the braves were averaging like 1 run a game for him.. it happens. AS a fan its hard for us to have patience. Fans got all over Wren for not getting the deal done for Peavy. He made the mistake of talking about the talks in the paper.. I don’t blame him.. I would keep everything close to the vest too
December 8th, 201110:13 pm
I’ll say this when Wren trades for prospects he usually comes out big. (ex. Jair Jurrjens for Renteria, and getting Vizcaino thrown in the Vazquez deal). But really were not that far off in mind thinking its just I’m a bit more pessimistic. But as of right now this team is a 3rd place team and we need a better SS and another power bat. And an experienced reliever with closer ability to give O’ventrabrel a break.
December 8th, 201110:15 pm
Ray,Anyone that will take him.The fact that he is not a power pitcher is enough reason to move him.88 mph cheese doesn’t cut it these days.
December 8th, 201110:16 pm
We want the Truth!!!
December 8th, 201110:17 pm
Jair used to throw 94-95 and now he averages 88-89 and got lit up in the 2nd half. Buy Low (not Lowe) and sell High
December 8th, 201110:18 pm
The Blue Jays aren;t sending their franchise player for that. (I love how people make these assumptions that they other teams will just accept what they offer ). Want Batista? here’s what it would take: JJ, Tehran, Delgado and Prado, at a minimum/ That would be the dumbest deal the Braves have ever done. It would make people forget the Texiera trade.
There are no impact LF bats out there except for Beltran. Now if you want to move JJ and Prado to the Rockies for Wheeler, Arenado and 2 low level prospects and then sign Beltran… I guess that might work.But IMO, that’s almost too good to be true.
I don’t understand the mentality on here that FW must make a knee jerk stupid, Omar Minaya type signing or else he’s done a bad job. In fact, by not making any rash decisions, I think he’s done an excellent job. I’m even beginning to think that prado isn’t being traded and only JJ will be moved for prospects. Now, since we know Prado can’t play SS, this would mean he’s starting in LF next year and we will be grabbing a backup who can play CF and a utility infielder who can play SS. There’s no reason to blow this team sky high and make dumb trades or overpay for Willingham or bring in Carlos Quentin. With better plate discipline this team has already proven it can get on base in 2010. They do that, they will be just fine.
December 8th, 201110:19 pm
I am confident that we will get that SS and that LF’r. IF this was march then I would be concerned. Its early Dec. Our pitching staff as a whole is better than anyone in the division.. starters and relievers.. Marlins.. their staff has not been healthy in 2 yrs.. phillies getting older by the second. Uggla is not going to have the first half he did. Our SS will at LEAST produced what A Gon did.. Bourn for the full season.. heyward may improve..and we have to remember.. we lost a lot with injuries.. but that is part of the game..
I almost forgot.WE WANT THE TRUTH!
December 8th, 201110:23 pm
And BTW I’m not saying trade Prado, never have. I said if we did to only package him for a superstar because he is too valuable to the Braves IMO
We want the Funk…….er I mean We want the truth
Ray I think you got something.Beltran at 9 mil for 3 could work.A week ago they were saying 12 mil a yr for 3.His stock has dropped a bit.I also think we could ship JJ to Baltimore and get a need back.
December 8th, 201110:27 pm
How much money is available after Lowe trade and with this supposed budget slight increase for a Free Agent LF? And if its not going toward a FA, why are you cutting payroll? WE WANT THE TRUTH.
I agree… it does crack me up all of these so called experts jumping on Wren.. I would rather have a GM that takes his time and will make a move to improve the team. Our payroll is not bad. We are in the 90-100m Range. How bad would it be to be like the cubs or chisox.. around 125m and can’t move anyone because too much money are tied up in mid level players.. and have a weak farm system. its all about HOW you spend it.. not how much you have..IF so the Yanks should have at least 5 WS titles in the last 5 yrs.. the Phils should have 3-4 in the last 5-6 yrs..if it was all about payroll
December 8th, 201110:33 pm
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.Twenty plus years of hoarding pitchers has yielded one WS title compounded with several embarrassing post season outcomes.Go get some hitters.Look at every playoff team last year and look at 2011 Braves.No 100 RBI man.No one batted 300.And no REAL #3 hitter.The TRUTH lies in a offense that is feared.
December 8th, 201110:34 pm
Mister F.. noo I was saying 8-9mil a YEAR. The best two in Baltimore is Markakis and Adam Jones.. we would have to give away the Farm literally for those two..
December 8th, 201110:35 pm
HERE’S THE TRUTH…. you are all bumbling morons who have some convoluted idea that management is required to drop everything and make some stupid trade that doesn’t exist.
Please, give us your plans on what should be done. a reasonable plan that you wish FW would do. (not trade all our pitchers and prado for Batista thats a stupid plan). C’mon , sumthing….
December 8th, 201110:38 pm
Nick B.. I was making that very point that you just mentioned. I was the Toronto GM and saying this is what it would cost the Braves if I was to trade Batista… all of these people saying get this person or get this one.. and think you don’t have to give up anything..
December 8th, 201110:40 pm
Ray,One of those guys would look good in the tomahawk though.
December 8th, 201110:47 pm
I wish we could get Adam Jones.. there is our CF with speed and power.. the dude can just play.. but the O’s are not trading him unless someone completely over pays for him. they want pitching and it would probably cost us at least 3 top pitchers.. at the bare minimum.
Brad Kominsk Is My Hero
December 8th, 201111:35 pm
So, just to summarize: Angels have had guys with last names Salmon, Trout, and Fish in their organization. Is this odd to anyone else besides me?
Retired 6 years too late
December 9th, 20111:11 am
Bobby Lite is stilll managing this team and Liberty Media is still using The Braves tax write offs. This team will never win a World Series as the above mention is in place. This will be a LONG SUMMER here in The ATL! Bobby Lite will manage a collapse AGAIN but this team is the Fourth Best Team in The East NOW!
December 9th, 20111:30 am
good observation Brad Komminsk.. I say if the Reds are really interested in JJ, we should try and get that Yadier Alonso kid who is their best prospect. he is a young 22yr old power hitting left fielder who the scouts say is legit 5 tool player.. if anyone wants JJ, they wil have to pay a hefty price no matter what.. by the way, FIRE FRANK and FREDI, they both suck.
December 9th, 20112:25 am
Sounds like this Fish keeps getting thrown back into the water, uh, I mean waiver.
December 9th, 20117:10 am
Some of the people on this blog, just don’t get it. Wren is doing the best he can. You don’t give JJ & Prado away for nothing. Just be patient, I think Wren will do something good to improve this team. The Braves need a little luck with the health of their players.
The Real Brave
December 9th, 20117:29 am
Stop drinking the Koolaid. No change will give the same result.
The defintion of insanity-doing the same behavior and expecting a different outcome.
Ask the Angels if they “needed” to make a big move.
December 9th, 20117:36 am
BillM… You are correct. Some deals take time. Wren and the Braves usually end up on the plus side in trades. Some of the comments on here make it sound like Wren is just sitting and doing nothing. Not on the phone.. not returning phone calls. It has been reported by a number of sources that there have been a lot of teams calling for prado and JJ. I think when it comes to trades, Wren has proven he is a very good negotiator.
December 9th, 20117:44 am
How old are some of you “fans” here, 5? This isn’t a videogame, you can’t trade JJ for Kemp whenever you feel like it. And thinking that the Marlins will now leapfrog us in the division? Please, they’ll be another .500 team next year built around a couple of big names.
The only reason we didn’t make the playoffs was because of a miraculously rare slump which is highly improbable of happening again. It’s not as if our talent level dropped off, we actually had the 4th best record in the league right before the slump happened.
Chill out, you clowns with the “WE WANT TRUTH” nonsense. What truth, that Wren is a paid professional who knows what he’s doing while you’re sitting on your butt in front of your computer scheming some half-baked trade idea?
December 9th, 20118:23 am
I think JJ will be traded for decent bat (would love for it to be Chris Coughlin). As much as it sucks I think 2013 is going to be the free agent signing year for he Braves. We just have to free up some cash from Lowe & Chipper right now it’s just not there. I do like that the Braves are sticking to the plan of getting younger and I think it will pay off in the end.
December 9th, 20118:26 am
The Braves are right in not throwing tons of money at players but they do need to make couple of solid moves to shore up this team until the youngsters are ready. In the meantime, the Braves remain full of holes and question marks. Wren is just hoping that all the pieces fall into place. I f they do, then the Braves will be competitive. If not, it is going to be a long season with lots of empty seats.
December 9th, 20118:54 am
Unreal. Braves leave winter meetings with a pitcher 3 teams cut ? Wren should have just stayed home.
December 9th, 20118:58 am
I guess Chipper & Bobby Cox told Wren & Fredi that the current team was okay. We fans know who really runs the Braves.
December 9th, 20119:00 am
Trade Jurrgens & Prado for Quentin & top prospect then sign Jimmy Rollins to play SS.
December 9th, 20119:08 am
Every Braves fans would have love to see the organization spend big money over this winter meeting .But we have to remember who own the Braves and the’yer motive is about the bottom line filling the seats and making a profit.Not wining championships.
December 9th, 20119:11 am
Trader Jacks, is it true the Braves are run by Chipper and Bobby? WE WANT THE TRUTH!
December 9th, 20119:14 am
No. Quentin is horrible and there’s no way that we would get a top prospect from Chicago out of that deal. Rollins is going to ask for more money than we have and his production will not be worth it. Plus, he’d want multiple years and we only need someone for one year so that we can incorporate Pastornicky this year.
December 9th, 20119:18 am
No blame placed on the Braves as an organization. I would stay hush as well. Problem is that they should not be allowed to be kept as hush as they do IF THIS PAPER WOULD ACTUALLY ASK QUESTIONS. Every one of these articles could have and were probably written from a closet in Canton. So no new deals? Ok, what is the budget and where does this team stand in relation to last year? Gone is Lowe money, Nate money, KK money Aussie money, Agon money. Added to the 7M we heard that would be available and subtracted from the natural raises for current players, where does this team stand? Because from my math, there should be something left, right? Maybe? Who knows? DO any of you read the other 29 cities papers? You think the Yankees could have stashed KK and all those millions in the pen for 6 weeks without even using him and the Times of Post not ask WHY? Six weeks and no questions? That is where the blame lies. RIGHT HERE IN THIS PAPER. WE WANT SOME TRUTH.
December 9th, 20119:21 am
Nothing will ever get done and no one big will ever be signed until the Braves are actually bought by a true owner. Its hard to watch my team struggle with such a limited pay roll.
December 9th, 20119:36 am
Dude, just Google the payroll and you have your answer. Also, KK sucked, that’s why he wasn’t used. There’s no great conspiracy here to hide information from the fans, yet from reading the comments here it seems that true fans are far and few in between. Everyone is just whining and complaining about a team that will contend for the division title in the upcoming year.
December 9th, 20119:49 am
There is a lot of unanswered questions surrounding the Braves and there plans
December 9th, 20119:50 am
Wren is a fool if he trades Prado…..Sure he got hurt last year.So did everyone else on the team one time or another..Keep em at all cost…..
December 9th, 201110:15 am
Here is some truth.Braves have a terrible offense.That’s fact.More truth.Braves starting pitchers can barely go 6 innings.That’s fact.More truth.Braves bench was awful.More truth.Standing pat will secure a solid 4th place finish.Believe it.
December 9th, 201110:32 am
Just for a laugh, I took your advice and Googled ‘Atlanta Braves payroll’ and couldn’t for the the life of me track down a number of the expected expenditures for the 2012 season. I did find the following links exploring the idea of an increase in spending:
The first reference to the AJC came on page two of search results and was a story from a season ago where CEO responds to a report on a payroll reduction that, oddly enough, came from and was published somewhere other than the AJC. I will say that at least the AJC, when finally forced to ask some actually questions, did do a decent job of laying out the budget at that time:
But, go ahead and follow your own idea, Bozz, please and this is in no way sarcastic. If you have time, Google this and let me know where the Braves currently are projected to be with money on this books or assumed will be on the books Opening Day and how much is left to be applied toward the projected 2012 budget. I just, frankly, would rather the flagship newspaper and media covering this team to do that leg work and let me stick to Googling other things like Will Ferrell Milwaukee Best beer commercials, which, by the way, are hillarious.
December 9th, 201110:36 am
Braves did not pay $50.000 for fish they paid $100.000 for him but if they do not keep him they have to sell him back for $50.000
And in response to KK sucked so there is your answer. If he is not hurt and he is on the 25 man roster, there should be a situation inside of a six week window that even the ’sucks’ should get some work. Especially with that pricetag. But nothing. And, as I pointed out then, it took six weeks for the subject to be addressed. But, who cares? Anyone heard that new Blues Traveler CD? How bout that barbeque joint out in the middle of nowhere? Thats what I am concerned about.
December 9th, 201110:45 am
I should also correct myself. KK pitched once out of the pen in mid-July after a three week layoff after a terrible June start and then did nto surface again until Sept. Also, if you are interested in some baseball coverage and opinions out there, take a look around the NL East:
Course, no links to pull from Atlanta coverage.
December 9th, 201111:16 am
When I watch Baseball Tonight I want them to report that a big name player has signed to the Braves. It’s as simple as that.
December 9th, 201111:30 am
Re-visit the Royals for Cain.
December 9th, 201112:01 pm
Come on Guys….This organization will never change unless the FANS make it happen….Stop going to the dang games!! Maybe that will wake up the front office. This team is always rummaging through the scrap pile for players and it makes me sick!
Sign Cody Ross and Ryan Theriot. With them you dont have to trade JJ or Prado because you have what you want.
December 9th, 201112:05 pm
FW to Braves fans: “You can’t handle the TRUTH” lol
December 9th, 201112:06 pm
Not sure about Ross, but I like the idea of Theriot as the backup SS. He’s put up decent enough numbers.
The other one we should look at, should he be non-tendered next week, is Kendry Morales. He can play OF and 1B and when healthy, hits for good power and production.
Brave New World
December 9th, 201112:22 pm
I’m not sure how many games the Braves will win in 2012, but I am fairly certain Frank Wren doesn’t waste his time reading any of these blogs. BTW, Wren has done a very good job since he took over as GM.
December 9th, 201112:27 pm
And if your wondering about an example of how IT SHOULD LOOK COVERING A TEAM AS A BEAT WRITER AND ASKING ACTUAL QUESTIONS, look no further than the Hawks Beat blog that discusses this very financial issue as it pertains to the Hawks and the NBAs free agency period:
If you look into the comment section, you will see the following exchange. pretty well sums it up:
“@MC (Cunningham, the Hawks beat writer), so do you get frustrated when a Hawks official suggests that the Hawks are “considering paying the luxury tax” or “considering using the MLE” when seemingly, they are no more likely to do that than Kim K. is to marry a school bus driver?”
@AstroJoe (the following is MCs response) haha. frustrated? naw. at the risk of getting ripped for saying this again, i don’t get emotionally invested in any of it. but i understand why it frustrates my blog people, so i try to get answers. i get frustrated when they are reluctant to provide the answers i think you deserve.
December 9th, 201112:28 pm
Prado will be fine and healthy and other than Chipper, yes Chipper, the only player capable of hitting 300 for the year. Other than the 1 1/2 year rental Bourne. And Chip won’t b off the books. They’ll exercise his 2013 option. Mark my words. Shouldve traded Heyward before every pitcher found that 6 ft hole in his swing. Get rid of JJ while u can. He’ll b on the dl more than Chipper. Logan Morrison and prospects I say. Hanson will b hurt evry year till he gets shipped out. Couldn’t say I didn’t c it coming with that funky delivery. Need a couple relievers b4 Freddie burns the tires off the relief corps again. 15 relievers and no bench considering no one can go more than 5 innings besides Huddy and he just had surgery.
December 9th, 201112:33 pm
But we dont deserve answers. Just tips for BBQ, buying from local record shops stories and a bunch snarky nonsense from some dude that can’t help himself but jump at anyone that actually questions his ability or, more to the point, desire to actually do this job as past indicators suggest it can be done.
December 9th, 20111:01 pm
CALM DOWN…BE PATIENT ATLANTAS FAN…FOUR(4) IS GOOD ENOUGH(FOR MORON WREN)….THAT’S THE “POINT”….NOT MONEY…NO GAME!!!!!
December 9th, 20111:09 pm
Truth is Wren and Shuerholtz must bow to Liberty Media and their tight purse strings… MARK CUBAN… MAKE LIBERTY MEDIA AN OFFER THEY CAN’T REFUSE… PLEASE!!!
December 9th, 20111:15 pm
Sign Jimmy Rollins now !!!!!
December 9th, 20111:42 pm
Shouldn’t Fish go to the Marlins?
December 9th, 20111:46 pm
Wren, get on your hands and knees and beg Liberty Media to allow you to sign Jimmy Rollins. The Braves future next year depends on it…
December 9th, 20111:48 pm
Could you imagine this line-up ?
Bourn – CF
Rollins – SS
Freeman – 1B
McCann – C
Uggla – 2B
Chipper – 3B
Heyward – RF
Prado – LF
December 9th, 20111:50 pm
By signing Rollins you add a great player while taking away a great player from the rival Phillies !
December 9th, 20111:52 pm
Trade Jurrgens for a top outfield AAA prospect and use his $5 million to help sign Rollins.
crime dogs #1 fan
December 9th, 20112:04 pm
lets get through this year with what we got plus a little tweeking here and there. lets save our pennies and make a run at david wright. chipper will be gone after the 2012 season and wright hits the free agent market same time. we should have some decent money to throw at the guy and he would be coming to a team without all the mess of the mets. plus no owners talking badly about him to the press. its an idea
December 9th, 20112:25 pm
The Braves aren’t going to sign Rollins nor should they. Although he was somewhat better last year, Rollins’ skills have steadily declined over the past 3 years and he is asking for a 5 year contract which IMHO is the height of stupidity (with the exception of the Angels paying $254 million over 10 years with a no trade clause for Pujols). The Braves don’t want to sign a shortstop to more than a 1 year contract because they feel that Pastoicky or the other kid whose name now escapes me will be ready soon.
I haven’t seen any of these kids play and my guess is you haven’t either. I also didn’t see Kimbrel, Freeman or Heyward play in the minors either. Rollins simply isn’t the player that he once was and I see his skills as only further declining.
December 9th, 20112:30 pm
Rollins for 2 years would be a great move.
I see that Wren beat the stray cats to the dumpster for Fish, eh Ralph ? LMAO.
December 9th, 20113:04 pm
YOU WANT THE TRUTH!!!!!! YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 9th, 20113:18 pm
The way our bullpen floundered at the end of the season, maybe Fish will catch us an extra win here or there.
Now, if we could just find someone with the heart and speed of Sid Bream.
Henry Aaron's Ghost
December 9th, 20113:19 pm
So, let me get this straight. JJ is going to cost the Braves $5 mil. Then in a couple of years probably double that. So, the Braves are saying, NO contracts for pitchers for over $10 mil any more?? They are going to start playing the Oakland A’s and using young players only to dump them when they get to big money????? Say good bye to JJ, Freeman, SayHey, McCann if I can, and all the younger arms in a few years. Hello to the basement as the Fish and WA start to build up. Braves and Mets for last place.
December 9th, 20113:52 pm
Chipper does not come off the books unless he plays less gamesin 2012 than he has the last two years. We are not that smart.
December 9th, 20114:31 pm
I must have missed something but did we not keep Jack Wilson? Utility infielder who can hit some, and teach Pastornicky,
December 9th, 20114:43 pm
If we are staying cheap, I think that we should get Jack Wilson to play for 2 months and then promote Pastornicky from AAA (where he has a few more abats and is in mid season form).
We don’t expect much from a #8 hitter except defense, so I believe that we should let Pastor develop a little more.
I don’t feel like we are hearing the whole truth from the Braves mgmt. And that may be good. All we heard from the Braves last year was that Pastornicky was not ready yet but all of a sudden during the offseason, he has gotten ready?
December 9th, 20114:58 pm
dap01, that makes sense to me – pastornicky needs more time, but alas, wilson not on active roster. why did they let him go? anybody know where he went?
December 9th, 20115:03 pm
You crybabies CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH… the truth is, you don’t know JACK about what went on at the meetings… nada… the truth is 99% of you don’t know JACK about baseball in general… the truth is you’re the crappiest bunch of fans in the majors… the truth is you have no stomach for the game and need to find other diversions to entertain yourselves… go watch golf and holler “YOU DA MAN” like the bunch of crackuhs you are…
December 9th, 20116:24 pm
FISH ON!!!!!!! Grab the gaff! Nevermind he’s skiing in on his belly
cheaper than dirt
December 9th, 20116:39 pm
Jack Wilson is free agent. Let him go, couldn’t hit the side of the barn.
December 9th, 20116:48 pm
Loboslo, from your @5:03 I believe you are as stupid as your blog. Thats the truth!
December 9th, 20117:21 pm
Jack Wilson can’t hit either.A must keep.
December 9th, 20117:50 pm
All of you so called brave fans expect the world. We dont need that much. We tried a rookie in 2010 , that worked. Tried 2 rookies in 2011, that worked. Going to try a rookie in 2012 give it a chance. Also signed two good minor leaguers in Sutton and Parraz. So why dont all of you shut up your complaining and see what happens. This brave team has got something to prove.
December 9th, 20117:51 pm
Man… Frank Wren sucks out loud. He is a bargain basement parasite. If you can’t field a good team Wren then quit you loser.
December 9th, 20118:39 pm
Why are you complaining about Wren? All you so called brave fans need to take your opinions and send them to rubin amaro. He might listen I wont. I was a brave fan before most of you were born.
December 9th, 20118:47 pm
when was that charles?
December 9th, 201110:00 pm
I became a braves fan in 1950 when i was 7 yrs old. I never complained about them. If you cant find something good about them then you are not a braves fan. You are just acomplainer.
December 9th, 201110:38 pm
So you an old Milwaukee Brave fan..68 years old.
Remember…Del Candall,Frank Torre, Red Schoendient sp, Eddie Mathews, Wes Covington, Hank , Joe adcock, Spahn, Lew B, Ernie Johnson, Bob Buhl even Chuch Tanner played LF. They won 95 games…Better than todays Braves.
Fans have a right to complain. Nothing is perfect and todays Braves have a ton of if’s. I respect your opinion now respect ours.
December 9th, 201110:51 pm
Complaints shouldn’t lie with the braves but rather in this newspapers coverage of them. People just want to know what’s what.
December 9th, 201110:53 pm
Here comes the undisputed BS from the Marlins. This won’t be open, that want be open. Just pay your money and head on in.
Marlins ballpark to open without shops, cafes
The city of Miami has yet to lease any of the store and restaurant spaces in its parking garages at the new Marlins ballpark slated to open this spring. – Updated 22 minutes ago
December 9th, 201110:54 pm
Looks like another non productive day in Braves country. Is Wren waiting for every single free agent to sign so he can then say that there wasn’t anyone out there that fit what we were looking for? Good grief, for a team that collapsed so miserably in Sept and choked away the playoffs and have so many question marks, they sure didn’t do a damn thing to improve this team. If they don’t care, why should any of we?
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