Braves get lefty reliever in Rule 5 draft

DALLAS – When the Winter Meetings ended Thursday, it was uncertain who was more likely to be part of the 2012 Braves pitching staff — trade candidate Jair Jurrjens or Robert Fish?

The Braves picked Fish, a hard-throwing left-hander, from the Angels’ Triple-A roster during Thursday’s Rule 5 draft. He’s 23 and had a 2.97 ERA with 44 strikeouts and 18 walks in 33-1/3 minor league innings in 2011, 30-1/3 innings in Double A.

As a Rule 5 pick, Fish must be kept on the Braves’ 25-man roster all season in 2012 or be offered back to the Angels at half the $50,000 claiming price the Braves paid.

Meanwhile, Jurrjens’ name was bandied about frequently in the lobby of the Hilton Anatole during the four-day Winter Meetings.  Cincinnati and Colorado are known to be among teams that have trade interest in Braves’ All-Star right-hander.

Now that top free agents C.J. Wilson (Angels) and Mark Buehrle (Marlins) have signed, the market for Jurrjens and other starters could firm up as pitching-needy teams that missed out make sure they get one of the proven arms still available.

Jurrjens is projected to make at least $5 million in arbitration and has missed late-season playoff drives two years in a row with right-knee injuries. The Braves would likely choose from their stockpile of prospects to fill in if they trade him.

Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez said this week that he believed the rotation would still be strong if Jurrjens got traded. General manager Frank Wren said several times this week the Braves would only trade Jurrjens or left fielder Martin Prado if it made the team better, and that the team did not need to make any moves to trim payroll.

The Braves left Dallas without filling either of their stated needs — a backup shortstop/utility infielder and a power-hitting outfielder. Wren said they had a lot of discussions with teams and left town with a better idea where they stood.

He said once more free agents sign with teams, activity should pick up. Braves free agent shortstop Alex Gonzalez agreed to a one-year deal with Milwaukee on Thursday, pending a physical.

“There’s a lot of people leaving here with somewhat unfinished business, and they have discussions ongoing,” he said. “I believe the free agent market not breaking loose has stalled some things… We’ve got three or four open conversations that we’ll just continue to follow up and see if anything materializes.”

The Braves did add a reliever on the last day of the meetings, and Wren said Fish could be a contributor to the bullpen in 2012.

“He’s got a very good arm,” Wren said. “Our scouts saw him this summer and said he had outstanding stuff. Power breaking ball and up to 95 [mph], left-handed. Could very easily fit in as a piece of a major league bullpen.”

Fish was a Rule 5 selection for the second year in a row. Last winter the Yankees took him from the Angels, then lost him to Kansas City on waivers. When the Royals didn’t add him to their major league roster, he went back to the Angels.

The Braves could have a spot for him in place of free agent George Sherrill, who posted a 3.00 ERA in 51 appearances (36 innings) in 2011 and was on the disabled list with a sore elbow during the Braves’ September collapse.

Against Fish, right-handed batters hit .191 with a .333 on-base percentage in 2011, and lefties hit .239 with four walks and 17 strikeouts in 46 at-bats.

299 comments Add your comment

you kidding me??

December 8th, 2011
4:39 pm

we should just hang on with what we have this year. Next year when Huddy and Chipper come off the books is the time to make a big deal

Sarcasm

December 8th, 2011
4:40 pm

The Braves then signed Fish to a 10 yr 254 million dollar deal

Braves Oldie

December 8th, 2011
4:44 pm

Bawawawawawawa……….the Braves really improved the team at the winter meetings.

invictus mon

December 8th, 2011
4:48 pm

I think a trade will be done. Teams will get desperate soon when Spring Training starts rolling around and they’ve got no legit free agents to run to. Wren is just waiting till then, when his astronomical asking price looks reasonable. Like children’s toys at walmart on Christmas eve. You don’t want to pay the price, but do you really have a choice?

invictus mon

December 8th, 2011
4:48 pm

1st to write 1st

kent

December 8th, 2011
4:49 pm

if this fish is so good why was he left unprotected?

Jjordan

December 8th, 2011
4:50 pm

Don’t just sit back and concede the division to the Phillies and Marlins……

bozz

December 8th, 2011
4:53 pm

He posted a 12.16 K/9 but a pretty high 5.34 BB/9 in 30.1 innings in AA last year. If gets his control figured out he should be a help in middle relief.

Bill

December 8th, 2011
4:53 pm

Wren catch one Fish on his fishing trip. Came home smelling like a fish.

Bill

December 8th, 2011
4:55 pm

caught… sorry

JOSEPH MCNULTY

December 8th, 2011
4:56 pm

For the Braves, no news is . . . no news.

J-MAN

December 8th, 2011
5:00 pm

We could have a coma patient for a GM…….We would have the same results. FANS ARE PI$$$$$$$$$$$$$ED and we aint gonna forget that 10.5 game lead we choked away. But you can lie to us and tell us that were making moves????????

Mike#1

December 8th, 2011
5:01 pm

I think it’s crap that they talked about how they wouldn’t resign Sea Bass because that would require a multi-year deal. Turns out all he really wanted was one year with an option. Nah…not cool that move at all. We’re talking about one of the best defensive SS’s in the game. Nope. Not cool.

alanfalcon

December 8th, 2011
5:03 pm

The one positive to look at is that we didn’t sell out the kitchen sink for an unproven like the Falcons.

dap01

December 8th, 2011
5:08 pm

What is the number to order season tickets? With this offseason being so exciting, I can’t wait to order as many tickets as possible.

KK

December 8th, 2011
5:08 pm

How much did he cost? $50,000? Oh, that’s alot of money. Who do you think we are? The Marlins?

Brave New World

December 8th, 2011
5:09 pm

Braves throw Sea Bass back and still come home with a Fish.

KK

December 8th, 2011
5:10 pm

Now we will have to raise season ticket prices.

Ron Roberts

December 8th, 2011
5:14 pm

These goons WONDER why folks don’t run to buy Braves’ season tickets in record numbers each off-season. They do little-to-nothing to excite fans with talk of “once more free agents sign with teams, activity should pick up.”

Translation: We’ll grab spare/scrap pieces from what nobody coveted.

This off-season, the ONLY move the Braves have made that should really EXCITE fans is getting rid of Derek Lowe. Meanwhile, we all sit and watch as teams like the … the … the MARLINS? significantly improve their squad.

We weren’t in on Pujols, obviously, because we didn’t need to be; but man, it SURE would be nice if we somehow acquired a LF with some pop and signed a SS not getting AARP invites.

I don’t want us trading Martin Prado, personally, given Chipper’s age and penchant for in-season DL stints, and the Jair Jurrjens that was an All-Star in the first half playing for somebody else – at still a reasonably young age – should give us all pause, too, honestly.

The old axiom “sometimes you have to SPEND money to MAKE money” comes to mind, here. Publicly telling fans there’ll be little-to-no salary bump and “once more free agents sign with teams, activity should pick up” just don’t move the needle. Stand pat and/or pencil in Tyler Pastornicky into the starting lineup and watch as season ticket sales stagnate or worse. Then what, Liberty Media shills?

Max Sizemore

December 8th, 2011
5:16 pm

While they were at it with the Angels, the Braves should have found a way to pick up Steve Trout. Of course, getting Mike Carp from Seattle would be also be a pretty good catch.

kerryb

December 8th, 2011
5:17 pm

Liberty Media can sell this team after this month. Let’s all hope that they do. The Angels can make deals like this because they have a lucrative TV contract. Makes me wonder why the Braves don’t. Come on, the 8th largest TV market in the country. Liberty Media cares nothing about the Braves. Makes me wonder how many of their executives have come to any Braves games in the last four years outside of Denver. This team deserves a real owner that will invest in it’s future and wants to win.

Steve

December 8th, 2011
5:18 pm

So Braves nation is supposed to buy the company line that no changes are necessary. Let’s see, they have questions at short, third (age) right, and left. That’s have the starting eight. No changes necessary? One that needs to be done immediately is replace Frank Wren. Our astute GM has led us to one playoff in four years. When the stadium is less than filled and the Braves don’t make it again, maybe questions will be asked about his performance. He has got to go.

Steve

December 8th, 2011
5:19 pm

Half the starting eight.

wardenerd

December 8th, 2011
5:19 pm

a wild minor league reliever. I smell world series. Is there a dumber manager than Fredi. Everytime he opens his mouth I hear Vin Scully say He must not know who Kemp is.

J-MAN

December 8th, 2011
5:27 pm

Braves Fans are depressed and disgruntled. Merry Christmas.

Techmate

December 8th, 2011
5:29 pm

Great pick up in Fish, especially if he works out. He could well make the jump from double A. Also, I’d like to see the Bravos make a play for Cody Ross. We could use him in the outfield and let Prado play left, 3rd and some at second.

RBG

December 8th, 2011
5:34 pm

did Frank Wren even go to Dallas or did he just use skype to get his fish to replace sea bass?aneheim expanded their cheaper tickets while the Braves went and raised all their prices and came up with “variable pricing” so the price to see the yankees will be 10 times that of all other games….i compared last year to 1982 when Bobby left the first time…started the season playing great but collapsed in the end…..welcome to 1983 and when chipper leaves welcome to 1985…..

ray

December 8th, 2011
5:34 pm

Fish can possibly hlep redcue the laod on Vneters. that was a good move. according to BA, 2nd time rule 5 guys do not get offerred back if they dion’t stay on 25 man roster . they go through waivers or can request being made free agents.
3 or 4 teams talking to us in total doesn’t sound too promising for 2 players. looks like nothing will happen .
we’ll hold on Jurgens and let him walk away like everyone else. it’s becoming a Braves tradition.

fred

December 8th, 2011
5:35 pm

Carp, Trout, & Fish..beginning to smell!

BravesFanLostInOhio

December 8th, 2011
5:40 pm

Once again, the blog fills up with people who just vent because Wren doesn’t run his team like a fantasy league team. There isn’t a single signing that happened at the Winter Meetings that I wish the Braves had made. Not a single one. Good job, Wren!

1eyedJack

December 8th, 2011
5:40 pm

The way he’s being bounced around he may be a nutcase, which wouldn’t be that unusual for a lefty.

J-MAN

December 8th, 2011
5:43 pm

So the only move we make is to get some back up minor league reliever?????? I guess 78-84 is acceptable for next year?

jb

December 8th, 2011
5:44 pm

Lost in ohio must be a lefty..maybe Wren’s kin r nutcase.

Ron Roberts

December 8th, 2011
5:51 pm

BravesFanLostInOhio , for ME, anyhow, it’s not the “moves not made” that bothers me. It’s the words said. When a Braves fan hears “once more free agents sign with teams, activity should pick up,” we conjure up images of Raul Mondesi and (insert any starting LF the last few years).

The only “fantasy” baseball management going on here is the Braves’ front office making statements like and thinking they’ll make MORE $$$ via ticket sales.

Fans are Pi$$3d

December 8th, 2011
5:55 pm

We blow a 10.5 game lead and do nothing about it and they think fans will come next season??????

That dude

December 8th, 2011
6:00 pm

Calm down BravoNation….lol I don’t have a problem with Wren’s approach. As a matter of fact, I would be as angry as you guys are now if Frank “does” trade one of our boys. C’mon guys. Relax. We have one of if not the best pitching staffs in baseball, one of if not the best bullpen in baseball, our only weakness was the offense. This time last year i’m sure everyone on this blog was excited about the line we had going into last season. We had just gotten Uggs to provide that right handed power we needed and he did that. It just took him 81 games to remember how…lol Hopefully this new hitting coach will do a better job of helping guys out of slumps. This teams does not need that big trade that everyone is crying for. This team can win as is! Heyward will be much better, no way Prado struggles the way he did last year, Uggs starts the way he ended last year, the Chipster will be the guy he always been, B-Mac has gotten a lot better at throwing guys out and we all know what he can do with the bat, Bourne is the speedster leading off that we’ve needed since Furcal. We have all the bats we need. We have all the players we need. I would’nt object to a new skipper though….lol

Roger

December 8th, 2011
6:00 pm

This would apply to Fish too: “The hard-throwing Cabral, whose fastball has touched 93, was selected in last year’s Rule 5 as well, so he does not have to be offered back to Boston if he fails to make New York’s bullpen.”

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/12/slim-pickings-in-rule-5-draft/

Fans are Pi$$3d

December 8th, 2011
6:01 pm

@BravesFanLostInOhio So you are gonna give Wren credit for not doing anything? Granted There is not really free agents I want for the price paid (Reyes). But we still need a SS and another bat, and Wren doesn’t even seem like there is a problem. Also our bullpen was gassed out at the end of the season and we needed another experienced closer to backup Venters and Kimbrel. But you give him credit???? All Wren did is take a little vacation in Dallas and sat on his AR$$$$$$. Heck I’ll give him credit for being able to just spend company time on drinks and food and stay in a 5 star hotel and not have to do any work.

Fred

December 8th, 2011
6:06 pm

Although I don’t know much about baseball, I think we need more of them players that hit that little fast moving white thing. Seems like teams (and at one time the Braves) who have players that hit that little pesky white thing do better than those who don’t.

Who cares if every one of our pitchers gives up 5 runs a game if we are scoring 9?

Ralph

December 8th, 2011
6:07 pm

I wrote 4 days ago that Wren was going on another of his dumpster digging trips, guess what he found a rotten fish and is bringing it home, at a very high price I might add, not much cash but he must occupy one of the 25 man roster spots for the entire season, those spots are very, very valuable.

DawgDad

December 8th, 2011
6:07 pm

Looks like JJ is destined to leave town. Necessary but sad because JJ is a good pitcher and seems like a good guy except for his choice in agents. Sadder yet because the Vazquez trade is still fresh in our minds.

Stinger2

December 8th, 2011
6:12 pm

DOB: I thought I heard the Braves did not keep Gonzalez
because he wanted a 2 yr. contract. Now he signs a 1 yr.
deal with the Brewers. Why did the Braves let him go?

BravesfaninWis

December 8th, 2011
6:16 pm

Easily the biggest move the Braves have made since their epic collapse last Sept. Eyes rolling of course.

benchwarmer

December 8th, 2011
6:20 pm

That dude, is right on. And I too am worried about Freddie. Have to take a better look at him this year before I make up my mind.

Ben

December 8th, 2011
6:28 pm

We let Alex Gonzalez go because he’s a black hole in the line-up. I don’t think I could watch another Braves season with him up there hacking away leaving men on base.

Mister Frisky

December 8th, 2011
6:42 pm

Marlins get some big fish.Braves get some dude named Fish.Throw it back.

Chris

December 8th, 2011
7:01 pm

Holy Negativity!!!! I think we grabbed another lefty in the Rule 5 draft a couple years ago from Seattle that has been great for us. Our bullpen get’s deeper, which helps the other bullpen arm’s and the starters. If this guy pans out we got a steal, if he doesn’t it cost us 25,000 dollars. Based on what the scouts see, would you rather have George Sherrill?

Kenshin Kawakami

December 8th, 2011
7:02 pm

Hey want to sign me again? I could be your # 2 startere, if Jurrjens does get traded

1995 was 16 years ago

December 8th, 2011
7:09 pm

All this talk about who the Braves are or aren’t pursuing is moot, because as long as the ineffectual Fredi Gonzalez is the Braves’ manager, we will be destined to late-season choke job after late-season choke job.

The Braves need a leader, a general, a kaiser. Someone who will wake this team from their decades-long slumber. Someone like Jimmy Leyland. This see-hear-and-speak-no-evil approach that Fredi inherited from Bobby Cox may work fine during the dog days of summer, but when September and October roll around and the stakes heighten, the Braves always end up getting punched in the mouth by a mentally tougher club.

Until Frank Wren realizes his mistake in hiring an overmatched and incompetent leader, my enthusiasm for the Braves will be at a low ebb.

Fans are Pi$$3d

December 8th, 2011
7:30 pm

I know its taboo to trade within the division, but how about Emilo Bonifacio and Logan Morrison for Jair Jurrjens

GoFredi

December 8th, 2011
7:32 pm

Doofus Gonzales says “he believed the rotation would still be strong”. How would he know? He is a pizz poor manager and he is the reason we crashed and burned. Hope with some of the money Wren got someone that knows CPR for the next time the Braves choke.

Busch Leaguer

December 8th, 2011
7:37 pm

If JJ is really trade bait,How about a trade for Michael Young from the Rangers. JJ and maybe another prospect and maybe the Rangers would be willing to eat some of the 16M that Young is scheduled to make in 2012.Young is a 10 and 5 guy but may be getting tired of being shuffled around the Rangers lineup. He is a versatile guy can play anywhere on the infield and is a dangerous bat.He could also provide some more veteran leadership in the clubhouse,something the Braves have been lacking recently. He is most likely too expensive for the penny pinchers running the Braves.

GoFredi

December 8th, 2011
7:38 pm

Howdy Doody, Mortimer Snerd or Alfred E Neuman can all out manage the clown we have now. After this September, and watching his lack of everything, I know I could not care less until we get a decent manager. So sit in your ivory tower, Wren, and keep your rose colored glasses on. We are not gonna take it anymore.

NickB

December 8th, 2011
7:42 pm

Wren has been smart (and if you can’t see that well… you don’t understand baseball at all… yer just another fair weather fan. a whiney one at that)

He was waiting for the Free agent arms to sign. This gives him increased leverage in regards to JJ as the alternative options for teams in need of starters has dropped. If they want a #2 level pitcher the only option is JJ and they are going to have to pay what FW wants because they have no choice. If there are 4 or 5 serious teams in for JJ, one of the WILL overpay for him. If nobody bites, then you stick him back in the rotation and wait for July. I don’t see Prado getting moved afterall… I just don’t think they will get the outfielder they want for him.

As far as the upcoming season goes, this team (without Freeman) was near the top in oBP in 2010 and scored plenty of runs. New hitting coach and mgr and the obp dropped dramatically. Well, IF the new regime focuses on getting on base more this alone should move the Braves to at least a mid level team with the bats and with their staff , should make them a threat to win the East! (yes even with Prado in LF and Pastornicky at SS).

Panic moves rarely work, and that seems to be what you idiots want. You want FW to just trade away whomever to make a big deal to “prove” to the fans they want to win. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in my life. It’s the kind of stuff the Mets used to do (and we all see how well that’s worked out for them). You want a GM to do something smart and right for the team, not just to show the fans they want to win. You want this team to win? Do the following simple, non flashy moves.

Dump the Raw Dog

Sign Cody Ross to fill in for Prado when he needs to play 3rd and to backup CF.

Sign Ryan Theriot (if he gets non-tendered by the Cards as suggested) to backup the other infield spots. That or just re-sign Jack Wilson.

Trade JJ for a bucket of prospects , if possible make the 2 highest level ones OF prospects.

Give Pastornicky the starting SS job. (his minor league numbers suggest he will at least out hit Gonzo. he has a decent glove, weak arm though, but Freddy oughta help that)

Save any remaining funds to be used at the trade deadline once your weaknesses and strengths have been established.

Nothing flashy, no big names and/or contracts to deal with. But it solves all the teams needs and isn’t expensive and/or handcuffing.

reckingball

December 8th, 2011
7:43 pm

I think that Wren is doing a good job. He is smarter than the average fan.
The Braves can win the WS in 2012 with the team that they have now.
If Wren does trade JJ or Marteeen, it will be a trade stacked in the Braves favor.
GO BRAVES 2012!!!!!!

Charlie Hayes

December 8th, 2011
7:51 pm

The Phillys and now the Marlins will dominate the Braves! We didnt make any moves that helped our club is a fair statement to make. Isnt Frank Wrens job to to make moves to help our club? Well then, he didnt do his job. They should have snagged Jose Reyes when they had the chance and we wouldnt need a power hitter in the outfield. Play smart small-ball with Bourne, Reyes and Constanzia in the line-up and we will win more games. How did Tex work out for us when he was here? Dont need power, we need base runners. Major mistake letter Reyes go to the Marlins. Frank Wren just let the Marlins build the next division champs team. Good job FW.

gcs

December 8th, 2011
7:53 pm

Q: Do you have any power hitting outfielders?
A: Go Fish.

extremus

December 8th, 2011
8:00 pm

I honestly don’t think when all is said and done that the Angels will be glad they committed $25 million PER SEASON on a single player for the next 10 years. I don’t care if he was Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, and Henry Aaron all rolled into one, no single player should ever command that kind of money. And yet, once again, it’s a big market with an invested ownership that wins the bidding war; it’s a double-edged sword that will inevitably be pro sports’ undoing.

Would I be happy if the Braves had spent that kind of money and landed Pujols? After witnessing the effects of the Derek Lowe, Kenshin Kawakami, and Mike Hampton contracts on the Braves’ personnel flexibility the past few years, no way. What if Pujols gets injured and/or has his career shortened somehow; 10 years is a LONG time and a lot can happen. In my humble opinion players should get paid for serviced rendered like the rest of us instead of having fat guaranteed contracts paid up front.

That said, it’s very frustrating to see such an apparent lack of acknowledgment from Wren and Braves management about just how badly the team collapsed this September. “I like the pieces we have in place now”. Yeah, keep telling yourselves that, guys.

James

December 8th, 2011
8:06 pm

I can see the tee shirt from here: “My daddy went to the baseball winter meetings and all I got was a fish.”

Mister Frisky

December 8th, 2011
8:12 pm

Will the Braves ever be relevant in our lifetimes?

Mister Frisky

December 8th, 2011
8:15 pm

Maybe we can bring back Conrad and start him at shortstop.Offensively he fits right in with most of these weak ass free swinging hacks.On defense it would be quite entertaining.

Fans are Pi$$3d

December 8th, 2011
8:17 pm

I think Wren owes us an explaination as to why we have made no improvements and to explain why we haven’t made any adjustments to how we blew a 10.5 game lead. Fans are still angry, spurnned and dissapointed. Many fans have lost faith in the organization and we seriously need so sign of hope or communication from the front office to the fans. Because fans are smarter than they were in the past and a whopping majority of fans are questioning the methods employed so far. We need some reassurance.

farmer

December 8th, 2011
8:19 pm

I hate Frank Wren, period.

Chipper

December 8th, 2011
8:20 pm

One of the reasons the Braves gave for not trying to re sign Alex was that he would demand a multi year contract and that they were not willing to do that at his age. So another team has picked him up with a one year contract offer. Sounds like the Braves leaders lied to us. Is that possible?

GoFredi

December 8th, 2011
8:25 pm

I hate fredi dimwit gonzalez. Period

go-BRAVOS

December 8th, 2011
8:28 pm

Please, Please do not trade Martin Prado, he is way too valuable of a player. Especially since it’s guaranteed that Chipper will be on the DL at some point during the year. As for Jurrjens, has he not been injured every year he’s been here? Same goes for Hanson, he’s a Tommy John surgery waiting to happen. Don’t get me wrong, when healthy he is effective, but he’s no ace. Give Delgado, Minor and Tehran a shot. If the hitters step up and actually do their jobs then the Bravos will be in the hunt.

Fans are Pi$$3d

December 8th, 2011
8:37 pm

Attention Braves management: YOUR FANS ARE PI$$3D OFF. We want more, and DESERVE BETTER!!!!!!!!! We want the truth.

We want the Truth.

WE WANT THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fans are Pi$$3d

December 8th, 2011
8:41 pm

If you want to have D.O.B. to interview Frank Wren or John Scherholtz and to ask them specifically why havent they made any moves to improve this team. I want everyone who posts after me to say “We want the Truth”
WE WANT THE TRUTH!!!
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J-MAN

December 8th, 2011
8:42 pm

Why haven’t we made any moves?
We want the truth!!!

GoFredi

December 8th, 2011
8:43 pm

You said it, Fans are Pi$$3d !! I am still so angry I could spit. But we won’t get the truth, because they don’t know what the truth is.

GET Rid oF Fredi

December 8th, 2011
8:43 pm

Fredi killed our season and nothing was done.

WE WANT THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jason T

December 8th, 2011
8:45 pm

You want the truth………….You can’t handle the truth lol
But in all seriousness we do deserve some answers. What the hell.

We want the truth lol

GoFredi

December 8th, 2011
8:47 pm

WE DEMAND THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im Gumby Damnit

December 8th, 2011
8:56 pm

How was your trip Wren. Did you enjoy your drinks and food? Did you catch a movie? Did you get you a massage then hit the Sauna? How was your flight in 1st class? Did you have extra legroom and complemetry wine? Well I guess I’ll ask you this because you seem like you don’t wanna answer why you didn’t wanna improve your team!!!!

We want the truth!!!!!!!!!

Ray

December 8th, 2011
8:59 pm

NickB and extremus .. you are right. We are in a better situation (market place) to move JJ then we were yesterday. The top 2 FA pitchers are gone. Its amazing.. cards fans.. understand why they have not made any moves and lost their premiere player. this mess.. we want the truth.. you want the truth about what.. Ask the Mets what happens when you have a GM that makes knee jerk moves. You over-spend give away your top prospects for nothing. All of you EXPERT GM’s on here.. please share what ‘realistic” move you would have made. oops I may have killed that one.. I said realistic. And I will be the GM for any team you are wanting to trade with… so bring me your offers. And lets see how GOOD you really are.

GoFredi

December 8th, 2011
9:01 pm

My big question is why did FG allow Fredi the Freeloader to continue to screw things up? How much damage does one person have to do before the light is seen? Guess 10.5 game loss wasn’t enough.
We want the truth!!

J-MAN

December 8th, 2011
9:04 pm

In all seriousness how do you blow a 10.5 game lead with a month to go???????

We want the truth!

Mister Frisky

December 8th, 2011
9:09 pm

The TRUTH shall set you free.We demand the TRUTH.

Mister Frisky

December 8th, 2011
9:11 pm

Wren,You need us on that wall,you want us on that wall TRUTH you can’t handle the TRUTH.We want the TRUTH.

GoFredi

December 8th, 2011
9:12 pm

J-MAN, I am serious. I am livid. But the truth will not be known. They tell you what they want you to hear. No matter if its lies or not. Did FW not see what was happening? Did he not care as long as he got a paycheck? Bet theres more, a lot more, to this FG deal than we will ever know. But they can’t TELL THE TRUTH

Excellence

December 8th, 2011
9:13 pm

Well Ray your right we are in a better situation to move Jurrjens but Frank Wren has already said he isn’t gonna move him. Alsowith Kimbrel and Venters breaking down at the end of the season why didn’t Frank Wren add some depth in the bullpen? And be honest do you REALLY feel confident in Tyler Pastornicky???? REALLY? REALLY?REALLY?????? I wouldn’t trade Prado unless we used him to package him with some of our pitching prospects for a better player in LF (C Gonzalez, or Jose Batista). We want something because choking up a 10.5 game lead is inexcusable.

We want the truth!!!!!!

Fire all Braves management.

December 8th, 2011
9:14 pm

The Braves are a Joke..they will not get a penny of my money.

J-Man

December 8th, 2011
9:16 pm

If they would come out and reassure us then a good portion of the angry fans would listen. Stop hiding and insulting our intelligence, please Mr. Wren just communicate with us and level with us.

We want the truth!!!!!!!

GoFredi

December 8th, 2011
9:17 pm

Mr. O’Brien, is any of this sinking in? Are you going to be the fans mouthpiece, or maybe you can’t tell the whole truth either. Maybe its fear, If that’s what it is, then just say so. I don’t think is shameful not to want to lose your job. But then again, we all know who should.

Mister Frisky

December 8th, 2011
9:20 pm

Ray here you go a real move.Sign Beltran for left.Renteria at short.Trade Jurjens.Keep Prado to spell Larry and for when Heyward flames out.Beltran to RF Prado back to LF.I still want the TRUTH.

Ray

December 8th, 2011
9:23 pm

yes they blew it in september.. just ask boston too. Batista… here is what it will take to get Mr Batista.. we want JJ, Delgado, and Teheran and Bethencourt for our big bopper Batista. And in regards to our ss situation,, I agree with you. I would be a bit concerned if this was March instead of first week of December.

Ray

December 8th, 2011
9:27 pm

Frisky.. who are you going to trade JJ to? Beltran the cost is going to be 24-27m for 3 yrs.. that is the cost for Beltran. He is a switch hitting outfielder. That is what its going to cost you. And again who are you trading JJ to?

Fire all Braves management.

December 8th, 2011
9:29 pm

Sign Ronny Cedeno for SS.. Beltran for LF..trade Diaz and Conrad for anything. Fans will know You care and Braves will roll.

Ray

December 8th, 2011
9:30 pm

Hey J Man,, Wren did come out and make comments and said he is not going to make a deal just to say he made a deal. IF it is going to improve the team, then he is going to do it. And guess what, he got ripped to shreds on here for not making any moves.

Fire all Braves management.

December 8th, 2011
9:31 pm

Beltran for 3 yrs 30 million..chip comes off next year.

Fire all Braves management.

December 8th, 2011
9:33 pm

Ray are you saying he couldn’t improve the team? Because he did nothing. If he can’t then get someone who can.

Ray

December 8th, 2011
9:34 pm

Ronny Cedeno,,, we want a 2 yr deal at 6m each yr with a 3rd yr mutual option. I have 2 single A players for Conrad and Diaz. I will make that trade as the opposing GM.

Fire all Braves management.

December 8th, 2011
9:36 pm

Cedeno will not get 2 yr deal for 6 m..bet on it.

Ray

December 8th, 2011
9:36 pm

Fire.. no I am not saying he can’t… Just because he has not done it yet doesn’t mean he can’t. Please tell me what have the Yankees done, what about redsox, and the cards. I would rather be in our situation than cubs or whitesox. They BOTH spent over 125m last yr.. and where did that get them and they have weak prospects.

J-Man

December 8th, 2011
9:36 pm

@ Ray I’m not expecting Batista its just if we trade Prado I would only move him for a player like Carlos Gonzalez or Batista. But obviously you yould have to pack 1 maybe 2 of the pitching prospects for him and other prospects. But unless we get a superstar I want to keep Prado

We want the TRUTH!!!!!

J-Man

December 8th, 2011
9:40 pm

I dont want Carlos Beltran because of how many games he has missed since 2006

J-Man

December 8th, 2011
9:40 pm

WE WANT THE TRUTH!!!!!

Ray

December 8th, 2011
9:40 pm

Fire,, as Cedeno’s agent that is what we are asking.. come on you are the braves gm.. pull the trigger what are you waiting for.. your fans are demanding that you make a move NOW.. and J Man.. as the bluejays GM if you want jose.. that is what it will cost you.. he is available for you if you bring that truck load over to the blue jays

Ray

December 8th, 2011
9:45 pm

J Man.. you proved my point.. Wren says he has many on going talks.. its all about negotiations and getting the right deal.. unless you are going to be like the angels and over pay for 2 players. Albert I can see.. but that high for CJ Wilson.. he has 1 more post season win than all of us..terrific during the season.. and gets smoked during the last 2 post seasons..era over 5.

Fire all Braves management.

December 8th, 2011
9:47 pm

Ray..we not the Damn Yankees..they loaded. The others will start rolling now that they got new GM’s..Hell we not asking for 100m we just want a Good SS and a LF’er that can hit 25 hrs and hit 285..Wren for 3 years has been going to get a LF’er and has yet to do so…am I wrong? All we get is old reruns..damn jokes like Diaz.

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