Wren not caught up in buzz at Winter Meetings
DALLAS – With the Marlins making headline trades and other NL East foes doing deals, Braves general manager Frank Wren was asked if he missed being in the buzzy center of activity at the Winter Meetings.
A few years ago, he was a high roller at the Winter Meetings in Las Vegas, courting big-ticket free agent pitchers such as A.J. Burnett before signing Derek Lowe.
Which was more fun, that situation or this year’s?
“We prefer to have the players we have,” Wren said. “We have a good club. I keep going back to this, and I’ll stand by this: On Aug. 26 we had the fourth-best record in all of baseball. So our team didn’t get bad in 30 days.
“Our team went through a bad streak for 30 days, but we have a good team.”
The Braves went 10-20 down the stretch and blew an 8-1/2-game wild card lead after Sept. 5, missing the postseason after a loss to the Phillies on the season’s final night.
The Braves are trying to acquire a backup shortstop and an affordable outfielder. One possibility for the latter spot: Cody Ross, who became available Wednesday when the San Francisco Giants announced they would not re-sign the free agent, who can play all outfield positions and has played for Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez.
Ross was the 2010 NLCS Most Valuable Player for the Giants, who won the World Series that year after starting their postseason run with a division series win against the Braves. Ross, 30, hit .240 with a .325 OBP in 2011 and had 25 doubles and 14 homers in 121 games (461 plate appearances) for the Giants.
He had 46 homers and 163 RBIs during the 2008-2009 seasons for Gonzalez’s Marlins, where he was a teammate of current Braves second baseman Dan Uggla.
“It would be great to reunite with Fredi and (bench coach) Carlos (Tosca) and Uggla,” Ross said. “I think they have a really good team.”
For the first three days of this year’s meetings in Dallas, the Braves have been quiet. Crowds of reporters gather around Marlins officials who are spending lavishly and trying to buy a contender for the first year in the ballpark they’re moving into.
“I think the urge is to do something big just to do something big when you see other people doing things,” Wren said, “and I think we’ve got to guard against that. Stay on our mission to get better. There’s a lot of different ways you can improve your club, so we’ve been attacking it from all different angles.”
The meetings end Thursday and the Braves might leave without making any deals. Wren pointed out that deals were often made after the meetings and into January.
“I think the longer you’re in the game, you tend to take a longer look at things rather than a short-term look,” he said. “And I know that it’s hard sometimes for fans sometimes to see it the way we see it, but I think if you take a close look at our team position by position on the field, you come away [realizing] we match up very well with other teams.
“And I think what we have, starting pitching wise and bullpen wise, is a depth that very few other teams have.”
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Martin From Oakland, CA
December 7th, 2011
9:47 pm
FIRST! GET SWISHeR!!!!
Vito
December 7th, 2011
9:55 pm
we need B.J. Upton speed n power n if we resign he can play center
Brava
December 7th, 2011
9:58 pm
We could do worse than Cody Ross and the fact that he’s worked for Fredi before and likely wouldn’t cost a lot is a plus. I think he could help improve the team, especially if we can keep Prado and JJ.
AdirondackDave
December 7th, 2011
9:58 pm
Cody Ross could be a useful addition. Wouldn’t mind seeing him in a Braves uni although I was hoping FW would pull a rabbit out of his hat and trade for a significant power hitter.
Around The Horn
December 7th, 2011
10:01 pm
PROUD OF FRANK
We’re proud of you Frank for comments like this:
“I think the urge is to do something big just to do something big when you see other people doing things,” Wren said, “and I think we’ve got to guard against that. Stay on our mission to get better. There’s a lot of different ways you can improve your club, so we’ve been attacking it from all different angles.” — End quote.
Thanks Frank for not taking a “hurried, rush into things” approach.
Just please don’t trade Prado; he’ll return to form in 2012, after getting fully well from his nagging injuries.
And thanks again for taking a more patient approach — and for not trading away fan favorites!
Chop Chop
December 7th, 2011
10:14 pm
Wren’s an arrogant SOB. He might want to start winning some titles to back up that swagger.
afan
December 7th, 2011
10:32 pm
Good luck on Wren selling that BS to fans next season!
Jaywould Heyblowme
December 7th, 2011
10:38 pm
Fans not caught up in prospect of another lame season.
Simpson's Homer
December 7th, 2011
10:38 pm
It’s 10:38 PM, and nobody has asked if Prado could be moved to SS yet!!! Life is improving!
rainman34
December 7th, 2011
10:41 pm
How in the world is Ross an upgrade over prado. To me that makes no sense at all. Beltan will cost much more but we cleared 5 mil with the lowe trade so we do have some money to spend. With Pat at short we have no other big holes to fill. Beltan will not get more than 10 to 12 mill max. Next year we will have a ton of pay roll going off the books and still not a lot of holes to fill even less if we keep prado for third.
Undocorkscrew
December 7th, 2011
10:46 pm
The comments on this blog are beyond depressing….:(
@Rainman…..who’s saying Ross is an upgrade over Prado? Assuming the Braves sign Ross, he’d likely just platoon with Prado in LF, which allows Prado to go back into a semi-utility role.
boonda
December 7th, 2011
10:58 pm
“The Braves are trying to find a backup shortstop and an affordable outfielder.” Can you just feel the excitement. Not exactly what you would call “Hot Stove”. The Braves stove isn’t hot. It ain’t even mildly warm. I think that Prado will do well next year. He is a better option full time than a Smith Diaz Platoon. But, JJ should be moved. We didn’t splash big in the regular system because we wanted to hold onto prospects and then we missed the postseason. It’s time those pitching prospects earn their keep.
rainman34
December 7th, 2011
11:00 pm
Both hit right handed so i dont think they will be platooning…. The only thing about Ross is the fact that he can play some center. Chipper hopefully will play 120 games so that does not leave that much time for ross if prado stays. Ugla and freeman are going to play everyday so no time there and lets hope heyward is back and plays everyday as well.
ray
December 7th, 2011
11:14 pm
Wren has all the lines. was he ever a car salesman ?
Willingham is too expensive also.
maybe if they drafted some OFs they would have some in the system. they stockpile pitchers and can’t get a decent return for a Jurgens ? he is gone aftre 2013 as sure as there will be baseball so send him packing now before he blows out his knee altogether.
Ross might help a bit. at this point anyne who can hit .250, hit 15 hrs, and play OF might help.
thank god the meetings end tomorrow
I’m sure the Braves will have some transactions though-when they lose guys in the rule 5 draft Thurs ! they are good at that.
jharber
December 7th, 2011
11:18 pm
for all of wrens bs, lets run him for president
Mr. Enigma
December 7th, 2011
11:19 pm
“DALLAS – With the Marlins making headline trades and”–
What trades have they made? Heath Bell, Jose Reyes, and Mark Buerhle are all free agent signings. The only trade they’ve made is acquiring Wade LeBlanc from the Padres for John Baker. Hardly a headline trade.
intellibird
December 7th, 2011
11:20 pm
The Marlins are gonna crash and burn! Can’t wait for Spring.
Hittahomer
December 7th, 2011
11:32 pm
DOB – All the conversation about the Braves in the trade market seem to focus on a power hitting right handed bat. Can you elaborate why this is? There were only seven teams in 2011 that had more HR’s than Atlanta, but the Braves ranked 22nd in RBI’s. That to me reads that we need better situational hitting. Especially since Atlanta went almost 2 months without a sacrifice fly last season. I’m hopeful that the “acquisition” of Greg Walker will remedy our alleged need for a RH power bat. Trading Prado seems foolish to me, especially since he can fill in for Hoss during the season. Sure our OF lacked power, but the Braves make up for it in positions where you usually don’t see it (C/2B). Freeman will be a 20-30 HR guy as well. The Braves just need to stop striking out and pounding the ball in the dirt with runners are on base. I still think Prado can rebound as an effective situational hitter, so would the return on him in a trade be that big of a difference maker?
Larry
December 7th, 2011
11:36 pm
The most important thing DOB said is “Braves are looking for an AFFORDABLE outfielder”. That’s all they seem to care about – the hell with good, let’s go affordable. What a shame.
MitchC
December 7th, 2011
11:43 pm
Dave, what gets me the most is how the media seems so “ho hum” about the Braves collapse. It;s almost as if you guys are endorsing Wren’s “I dont care” attitude, by standing pat.
What we really need, is to see guys like you and Mark Bradley, write some negative articles about the situation in regard to Wren and the Braves.
Let’s see? Philly is bringing back the same team that has won five straight division titles. The Marlins have improved, even without signing Albert, and Wren standing pat is acceptable? Um..
Bottom line: I dont think Wren plans on doing anything. I think he believes in his delusional mind that this team is fine. Let;s see how “fine” he thinks they are, if they finish in.. third place next season, and he is shown the door, alongside maybe his buddy Fredi G.
Columbus
December 7th, 2011
11:54 pm
Great approach Frank. We dont have Philly or Yankee money. We do have a good team if the pitching stays healthy and Heyward comes around and I know he will this year in a BIG way. Do NOT trade JJ. If he hadnt gotten hurt he might have been the Cy young winner and he is young, just like Hanson. Lets save money to RESIGN them along with Bourn. I liked Constanza in the lineup. We scored a lot more runs with him then without him. He could be the other outfielder along with Hinske and Ross. We need to save to resign McCann too. Owners better open their wallets after we make the playoffs this year.
BTW, Marlins are a joke. They think Albert would come there? LOL. Reminds me of them buying a world series in what 1999 or 2000 and then dismantling the team immediately? These owners are cheaper than Wayne was. They think Pujols is coming? LOL. Dream on! They lucky they got Reyes! Hey they should try Manny instead! They got Ozzie and I like his fire but….Braves are going to own them in 2012 and I dont care who they sign if the pitching is mostly healthy.
farmer
December 7th, 2011
11:57 pm
I absolutely hate and despise Frank Wren
Columbus
December 8th, 2011
12:03 am
The Braves stove does NOT need to be hot dufus. The team is intact for the most part. If not for pitching injuries and Heyward’s sophomore slump, the Braves could have won it all last year with the addition of Bourne. How many players you want the Braves to make? Half the team Einstein? How old are you? How much money you think they have to spend? They are not the Phils and Yanks and have some young guys to resign soon(McCann, Jair, Bourne, Hanson,and more in bullpen). The team is basically set and when Heyward comes back and has a great year and he will and Prado has a better year and he will, the lineup is STACKED pretty good and the pitching will be awesome again. Braves need to score some more runs and if Heyward and Prado pick it up, there you go! You can go resign some big name like Reyes and he gets hurt or sucks but our guys are a better bet unless you go after Pujols which is unrealistic for any team except the top 6 in payroll basically. We simply do not NEED to make many moves. The team is still coming together and I expect it to come together in a BIG way this year, especially after the bad taste Septamber left in their mouth and with them being healthym they can compete and beat anyone. If you know anything about baseball, you know this is true, especially with Prado and Heyward having much better years at the plate and Bourne and an awesome pitching staff…..and thats the way it is….
we want mark cuban
December 8th, 2011
1:40 am
1) I think someone should start a website petitioning Mark Cuban buy the Braves… Maybe with enough signatures, he’ll change his mind
2) I think realistic scenario 3 team trade: braves get will myers, drew stubbs/jay Bruce; kc get yonder alonso, prado; reds get jurrjens and royals pitching prospect not named Montgomery
Ozzie
December 8th, 2011
2:17 am
Wren has been a GM twice and won nothing twice. His comments about being around for long time apply JS not him.
He has been in someone’s shadow for a long time and his short time as the big boss has been underwhelming.
Bottom line they are all lying. JS said they were embarrassed about the collapse and would do everything in their power to make the team better. He said it in writing and it was all pillow talk.
JS and Wren make quite the politician pair. Say lots of stuff, do very little.
Just be honest “we are f-ing broke, Liberty couldn’t care less, we cannot do anything but hope some team makes a crazy azzzz trade with us over the winter and we will take all the credit for it”
Apparently they are powerless.
DawgDad
December 8th, 2011
2:23 am
“So our team didn’t get bad in 30 days.”
Well, as a paying customer with a set of useless playoff tickets lets just say the team I saw in September DID get bad in 30 days and it has a LOT to prove. Record at the end of August means NOTHING.
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Sign Cody Ross
December 8th, 2011
2:47 am
Cody Ross will be a great addition to the club. Given Chipper’s health issue, we need the third guy who can share 3B/LF positions with Chipper and Prado. I think Cody will be a perfect fit.
One of the biggest problem in our lineup is we cannot hit at all against lefties. That’s not only because we have quite a few lefties in the lineup but also because out right-handed guys don’t take advantage of lefty pitchers.
Prado’s career batting splits are funny-looking. His career vs RHP / vs LHP is .303/.273.
Meanwhile Ross’s career numbers against lefties are really impressive: .282/.349/.563. In fact he’s just a .253/.313/.414 hitter against right-handers.
I’m saying Prado and Ross can be excellent platoon partners in LF. Plus, Prado will often be busy covering 3B instead of Chipper. Also Ross can sometimes protect Heyward from lefties playing RF.
As the Marlins signed Buehrle yesterday, we need a RH batter who can smash lefties even more than we did next year.
Nova Scotia Steve
December 8th, 2011
2:57 am
Chuckled a few times reading the comments. Good stuff folks.
bobbyc
December 8th, 2011
4:25 am
OK here something to rock the Braves, The Braves send Hicks Marcus Lemond Beachy Prado to Miami for Hanley Ramirez Bret Hayes and Bonifacio, Then send H.R to the Mets for Niese Bay and Tejada then 2012 line up looks like this
Bourne
Heyward
Chipper
McCann
Uggla
Bay
Pastornicky
Mike Brown
December 8th, 2011
5:15 am
Listen Braves, you have won nothing. Stop walking around like you are the yakees. You have been fooling people for years, you don’t have the money to siqn anybody and you manager sucks!!! And your GM need’s make some tough decision like Telling chipper Jones to Retire. His salary could have help to siqning other free-agents. So braves nation get your head out of the clouds the free- market is not Goodwin, were you can get a didcount, you have to spend some money if you want a good team!!!!!!!!. Mr Frank Wren you are not Listen to the people, If you win the people will come.
STRETCH
December 8th, 2011
6:45 am
“Our team went through a bad streak for 30 days, but we have a good team.”
Wow, a “bad streak?” How man runs per game did they average last season???? It was the pitching that kept them in 90 percent of their games!!!
bozz
December 8th, 2011
6:45 am
I’ve never read so many idiotic comments in my life. We’re NOT getting BJ Upton, we’re NOT getting Adam Jones, we’re NOT getting Nick Swisher, we’re NOT getting Hanley Ramirez, you dolts. Why the eff would we want to trade our best young talent for an uptight diva, especially within our own division?!
The Marlins are, and still will be, a 3rd place team, followed by the Nationals, followed by the Mets. With the age and injuries of the Phillies first place is most definitely not out of the reach of the Braves.
For those idiots saying that the Braves will win 90 games and finish 3rd just shows how little they know about baseball, how can our division have three 90+ game winners?
Mark Cuban isn’t going to come waltzing in here and blowing obscene amounts of cash like that idiot in Miami, nor should he. We don’t need to spend every penny we have on aging talent like Buehrle, our team is solid and, barring another collapse (which is possible, not probable), should make it into the playoffs without a problem. All we need is a veteran shortstop and maybe another bench outfielder, that’s it.
Get a grip on reality, some of you.
Bob the Blogger
December 8th, 2011
7:21 am
One thing the Braves need is someone who can close games when Kimbrell isn’t available. Last year the Braves were 1 for 14 in save situations where Kimbrell or Venters did not close. If they had closed one third of those games, the Braves would have waltzed into the playoffs. A good fit would be a former closer who has “been there” who may not be in the prime, but can close a few games here and there and help the young relief pitchers.
J-MAN
December 8th, 2011
7:43 am
Wilson Betimit seems like a good fit for what we need
The Real Brave
December 8th, 2011
8:11 am
Does anyone really think Wren will pull off a deal that will get us a SS or corner outfielder?
No!
Mike S
December 8th, 2011
8:19 am
Some of the ignorance on this thread is mind-boggling.
Getting Cody Ross would be a good move for the Braves. He is a good player, cheap, and a good clubhouse guy.
He would free Prado up for the 30-50 games Prado will be needed at 3B, and can give Bourn and Heyward days off throughout the season. Ross would get 50-60 starts and be available off the bench with Hinske.
While I would not be upset over a big name bat in LF, I think Prado will rebound and be an above average option for the position. We definately need Heyward to rebound if we don’t get a big bat, but I also think that will happen – J-Hey is just too talented to struggle like he did this past season for long.
The big picture though is 2013 — at that point we do need to make a major upgrade at LF and make Prado the everyday 3B when Chipper retires.
BravesFanSince1982
December 8th, 2011
8:24 am
I guessing we sign Punto or Cedeno as a backup SS and stand pat
Opening Day Roster
CF Bourn
LF Prado
3B Chipper
2B Uggla
C McCann
1B Freeman
RF Heyward
SS Pastornicky
C Ross
IF Cedeno/Punto
1B/OF Hinske
OF Diaz
OF Constanza
SP Hudson
SP Hanson
SP Jurrjens
SP Beachy
SP Delgado
LR Martinez
MR O’Flaherty
MR Medlen
MR Varvaro
SU Vizcaino
SU Venters
CL Kimbrel
Not a terrible roster, but certainly not a 90+ win one
J-MAN
December 8th, 2011
8:27 am
Ive been saying that this team needs another “Billy Wagner” type of experienced and leader for the Bull-Pen
TeheranTime
December 8th, 2011
8:31 am
ZZZZZZZZZ. ZZZZZZZZZ. ZZZZZZZZZ. Atlanta’s front office this winter. The sad thing is that they forgot that they collapsed and didn’t make the playoffs.
Diamondhead Baseball Fan
December 8th, 2011
8:35 am
Why not resign Andruw. He hit 13 home runs in less than 200 at bats for the Yankees. He is right handed, can play the corner outfield and would not cost much to sign.
extremus
December 8th, 2011
8:56 am
Missing from the Freddi Gonzalez Q & A:
“Do you think the Braves can win the NL East next season?”
Freddi: “Why, coitenly! Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk!”
Joey
December 8th, 2011
8:57 am
Hell yeah, get Cody Ross.
He would be an adnormalty in Atlanta professional sports, though.
An athlete who actually plays better in the playoffs . . .
Fan In Tampa
December 8th, 2011
8:59 am
We have problems. An earlier post listed the potential opening day roster without much change and stated that it’s not a bad roster. I believe we over-value our players. Look at this objectively by position.
C, 1B, CF – we are decent to pretty good in each.
2B – one dimensional, poor defense. Except for about 1 month when he was hot, did very little to help over the long haul.
SS – really bad last year, counting on an unproven rookie this year.
3B – aging star who is a shell of his former self and will only get worse and miss more time due to various ailments.
RF – a bigger bust than Frenchy. No evidence to convince me he will ever be an impact player. Baseball history is littered with “can’t miss” guys that missed big-time.
LF – another injury prone guy that plays with plenty of heart but is not much more than a platoon player.
SP – One solid, aging starter who can probably be counted on, but would be no better than #3 on a good staff. 2 young guys (Hanson and Jurjens) , with 6 years combined expereince, but not 1 complete injury-free season between them. No reason to think that will change. 4 and 5 starters will be unproven whoever ends up in those spots.
RP – The back end of the bullpen is good, but will be overused and worn out again late in the year because the starters can’t go long enough and the front end is bad.
Bench – other than Ross and Hinke, not much there.
Looks like a .500, 3rd or 4th place team to me. Sure, the opening day roster may look good on paper, Mr Wren, but the best indicator of the future is the past. Sadly, a bunch of no power, low average, low OBP hitters and an injury prone pitching staff is what we have.
DogTheMan
December 8th, 2011
9:17 am
Same old.. Same Old.. I can’t wait till we sign another 38 year old journeyman and say its our starting CF… And then sign a light hitting position player and say he will add needed power to out line up.. Yeah… Liberty please sell the team so we can fire the whole front office and Freddi…
charles
December 8th, 2011
9:18 am
sign ross use sutton as backup and everone quit complaining.
STRETCH
December 8th, 2011
9:21 am
BravesFanSince1982
They will once again have to depend on that pitching staff to carry them, thats for sure. With basically the same team they might be right at the brink of 90 wins.
Chipper IS NOT going to give them 120 games.
Heyward has been figured out by opposing pitchers.
Freeman MIGHT have the so-called sophmore slump.
PRADO IS NOT A LEFT FIELDER.
After Bourn, they are still a station to station team when it comes to offense.
But, in spite of all this, im confident Wren will make a move.
No to Cody Ross
December 8th, 2011
9:21 am
Cody Ross needs a good beaning by the Braves for that exaggerated skip he had against the Braves late in the season.
Platooning Is Dumb
December 8th, 2011
9:26 am
Mr. Wren, nobody is complaining about the starting pitching or bullpen. We can agree with you there. But we cannot agree that the offense matches up well with other teams. Compare Alex Gonzalez at SS,Prado in LF,and Heyward in RF. Compare their numbers to the averages in MLB. All three are awful. Yeah, Gonzalez is gone. But what makes you think that an off-season will fix Prado’s & Heyward’s ability to hit ? Are both playing winter ball ?
Loyal Fan
December 8th, 2011
9:27 am
Fan in Tampa, stay in Tampa. I don’t know what you watched last year. We have arguably the best catcher in all of baseball, and even David Ross, our backup catcher could start anywhere else. Uggla actually has pretty good defense and has always been known to start off slow. I would go on, but its hard to explain something to someone who either doesn’t watch the games or does and is just a big tard. I am excited about the year upon us. We have some young pitching that I can’t wait to see. Wren will come thru and pull something creative. Wait till CJ Wilson is a done deal somewhere. Jair Jurrjens’ stock will soar and teams will be desperate to give up talent.
I am amazed how many stupid comments people post on here about who they want for the team.
Platooning Is Dumb
December 8th, 2011
9:30 am
Excellent analysis Fan In Tampa. I have no idea what team or players Frank Wren thinks he has. You stated the facts. An imbecile would realize that you have excess pitching (Jurrgens) to trade to fill the glaring hole in LF (Quentin)…
Platooning Is Dumb
December 8th, 2011
9:33 am
So we are to believe that Chipper will find the fountain of youth and stay healthy all year ? We are supposed to believe that Prado & Heyward can just start back playing and each hit .300 without any live action to correct their hitting problems ? Man, while I’m living in Braves fantasy land set me up a date tonight with Jessica Alba…
Tommy
December 8th, 2011
9:34 am
Why is everyone going nuts about the Marlins?? Ignore the buzz and look at the facts:
Reyes: fragile, and his signing ticked off Ramirez
Bell: Closers are like NFL linebackers–they’re all about the same, and its the team or situation that sets them apart. Not a big deal. Bell’s signing magically means the Marlins will have 75 save opportunities instead of 50?
Buerhle: two words: Derek Lowe
Top that off with the fact the Marlins are banking on their new stadium to cover these deals. Two world titles in seven seasons didn’t get fans to the ballpark, so what’s to think that a better sight line and a margarita bar will?
And don’t forget one important Braves signing this offseason: Greg Walker is the new hitting coach.
Platooning Is Dumb
December 8th, 2011
9:35 am
I’d take Francoeur over two Jason Heywards.
Platooning Is Dumb
December 8th, 2011
9:37 am
I think Greg Walker hit about .245 his career as a MLB player. The White Sox weren’t a top hitting MLB team over the last 5 years. The Yankees,Red Sox,Angels,Rangers,and Blue Jays were. Greg Walker ain’t gonna fix anything.
Ted
December 8th, 2011
9:38 am
Sorry, Frank – you are what your record says you are. And the Braves record said “NOT a playoff team”. Period. End of discussion.
I don’t care what the Braves’ record was in late August. The only thing that mattered was the record after the season was over. It is irrelevant that SP and an over-worked bullpen overcame a PUTRID offense for 132 games. Because injuries to the SP and the abuse of the bullpen came back to bit them and the PUTRID offense ended up costing the Braves the WC.
So, in lieu of fixing the PUTRID offense with an upgrade at LF or SS, we’re left with a rookie SS and either an “affordable” OF or Prado, who even at 2010 levels is below-average offensively (and defensively) for a LF. All the while hoping Chipper can play 120 games, Heyward’s issues are fixable (and it isn’t as if the Braves have many options at AAA if not) and McCann’s oblique won’t be an issue. Sure – sign me up for that fantasy that all of that will happen.
You have tradeable assets with value (JJ and Prado) that can get top-flight OF prospects for depth and/or in case Heyward struggles again. Clearing their salary (combined would be projected at app. $10MM) would free up room to go sign someone like Cuddyer or Willingham. And someone like Punto can handle the 40 games Chipper will miss and is cheap.
But, no. Instead we hear how you “like” this team (one that COLLAPSED like a house of cards on a windy day). We have teams in our division improving, yet you think a team that could NOT go the distance in 2011 somehow will do so in 2012. No wonder you’ve never won a playoff series as a GM. And, unfortunately, until you are replaced, I don’t feel the Braves will do so either.
Platooning Is Dumb
December 8th, 2011
9:39 am
Greg Walker had two good hitters (Paul Konerko & Carlos Quentin) just like the Braves have 2 good hitters McCann & Chipper. So he’s gonna fix Jason Heyward ? I gotta see that…
afan
December 8th, 2011
9:39 am
Fredi, in q/ans.. said our “lack of offense” last year was a problem. But Wren and Fredi said they like our line up. Same old BS. Do they believe everyone that had a bad year will rebound.. like some of our brainwashed fans?
Cody would have put us in 2 years ago but no SFG got him…now Braves fans say get him 2 years later..maybe he is cheaper now! Thats our #1 reasoning cheap!
afan
December 8th, 2011
9:43 am
I agree Platooning is Dumb …but Platoonings remarks about Walker are also dumb..stupid and without fact.. Walker is not perfect but a damn good hitting coach.
Platooning Is Dumb
December 8th, 2011
9:43 am
Exactly Ted ! Braves have pitching to trade for hitting but would rather be inept on offense and have bountiful pitching. That’s really warped thinking right there…
Platooning Is Dumb
December 8th, 2011
9:45 am
Okay. Then why couldn’t Walker fix Beckham’s hitting problems if he’s so great ?
Platooning Is Dumb
December 8th, 2011
9:46 am
I’m definitely not on the same planet Frank Wren is on. I’m thinking that Jason Heyward is (what I’ve seen) a .250 11 45 player but Wren is trying to convince everyone he will be a .300 30 100 player this year. Unbelievable…
Platooning Is Dumb
December 8th, 2011
9:51 am
Tommy, the Marlins were already a good team. Now they’ve added a top closer (Bell),leadoff & NL batting champion SS (Reyes),a top lefty starter (Buerhle) and are talking about adding the best player in MLB (Pujols). Maybe that’s why…
Fan In Tampa
December 8th, 2011
9:52 am
Loyal Fan, I’ll tell you what I watched last year. I saw a team that relied heavily on starting pitching and a stellar back-end bullpen to win. They held up well for about 130 games despite a pathetic offense. Late in the year, when the starting pitching began to fall apart due to injuries to Jurrgens and Hanson (which were predictable given their history), and continued poor performance from Lowe, the bullpen also wore down, likely due to overuse. At about the same time, our best hitter (McCann) went into a prolonged slump. We were left with the same pathetic offense, except now a slumping McCann and cold again Uggla. Everyone witnessed the results. I am a life-long fan and want them to win as much as anybody. I just don’t see it happening without some major improvements. Unfortunately for our Braves, the regular season lasts 162 games. We just don’t have the horses. My opinion. You have yours.
Platooning Is Dumb
December 8th, 2011
9:55 am
Go sign Jimmy Rollins to a 2 year deal. If Pastornicky is ready next year then trade Rollins. Rollins is an awesome player.
Platooning Is Dumb
December 8th, 2011
9:57 am
If the Braves got Jimmy Rollins SS & Carlos Quentin LF, I think they could win the NL East.
afan
December 8th, 2011
9:58 am
You can be the greatest coach in the world but…you always have some one you just can’t help. Thats not always the coach’s fault. Same with Teachers, Boss men, parents etc….ex.Frenchy,Shafer
Beckham said Walker helped ? how low would he have gone without his help?
bozz
December 8th, 2011
9:59 am
Platooning Is Dumb, what were Quentin’s stats last year and how much better were they than Heyward’s ROOKIE season? Also, take into consideration Quentin’s bloated salary for what he produces and that Heyward has been playing hurt for quite some time. By what measure is Quentin a “good hitter”?
The only way a player can get out of a funk is to get on the playing field and take repetitions, which is what Heyward should, and will, do. The fact that you’d take Francoeur over two Heywards tells us all we need to know about your great baseball mind.
Platooning Is Dumb
December 8th, 2011
9:59 am
Rollins would give you .285 20 75 (120 runs scored too) and flawless defense at SS. Quentin would give you .290 30 100 and solid (average) defense in LF.
Platooning Is Dumb
December 8th, 2011
10:01 am
I recall Heyward sitting on the bench last year instead of playing at Gwinnett. I also read where he is not playing winter ball. But he’s gonna come in March ready to be a .300 hitter ? Yeah right…
Fan in Jersey
December 8th, 2011
10:04 am
Your name should be negative fan in Tampa….. .500 team? 3rd or 4th place? This same core of players won 90+ games last season with a ton of injuries and underperforming players. Name one impact player this team lost? Sherrill? Mclouth? Linebrink? Wilson? All easily replaceable, and with 1 or 2 small moves this is another 90 win team easily…
jb
December 8th, 2011
10:05 am
Dream on Jersey
Beowulf
December 8th, 2011
10:08 am
Pujols to the Angels…that just ain’t right! My condolences to Cardinals fans everywhere, you didn’t deserve that. At least he’s not a Marlin though…
aBraveVol
December 8th, 2011
10:09 am
pujols to angels
PMC
December 8th, 2011
10:10 am
It’s one thing to say you have a good ball club and believe it. I get that.
The Braves club hit well for about 3 weeks of ALL OF LAST SEASON.
Saying you have a good club now is boarding on the ravings of a lunatic.
There is absolutely nothing concrete to say that Jason Heyward is going to suddenly figure out how to hit major league pitching again. Left Field is still a 2nd baseman. Chipper Jones is still old. Shortstop is currently vacant.
This from a team that couldn’t get a hit if they needed it to survive last year.
Put on the sandwich board Frank… The End is NIGH!
Prognosticator
December 8th, 2011
10:11 am
To Frank Wren: The past is no predictor of the future. It is the past. You have to look at how your team currently matches up against the others. In the most recent past of course, you failed miserably by historic proportions. You should have been canned, but here we are still stuck with you.
Based on recent events, the Braves, with no improvement to the offense, will finish no better than 3rd in the NL East.
Don
December 8th, 2011
10:13 am
That’s right, the Braves have a good team as is – After all we have a part time, poor defensive third baseman who is our third place hitter who no longer hits like a third place hitter; do not have a shortstop; have a poor defensive second baseman who does not have a good batting average or a good on base average even though he does have some power; are counting on a right fielder who was not productive last year and may never be productive (and this assumes that Prado can return to being productive an be an effective Left Fielder). But I do agree that NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE ANYWAY – as long as we continue with the INJURY MILL for Starting Pitchers that we have had ever since Leo left as Pitching Coach six or seven years ago. Right now we have FOUR of our five starters coming off injuries — three of these are the young pitchers (JJ, Hanson, and Medlin) who had already proven themselves and should have been the core of an outstanding rotation for years to come. They may NEVER come back and really be great. And this is just the TIP OF THE ICEBERG — Consider how many/all the Starting Pitchers that we have had in the 6 or 7 years since Leo left (counting only those who were in the rotation for a reasonible length of time) – HOW MANY OF THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN INJURED. The Braves cannot have a winning team as long as this continues— The damage that has already been done to the young pitchers may keep the Braves from being a winner for years to come. The hitting, defense, and everything else will make no difference as long as this continues.
PMC
December 8th, 2011
10:16 am
The only way this team is going to win in the postseason is to score more runs and NOT ruin the bullpen by mid august.
PMC
December 8th, 2011
10:18 am
August 26th we had the best record in baseball. Yeah no kidding, that consequently was the same day the back end of the bullpen had their arms fall off.
Larry Parrish gone nothwithstanding, why would anyone believe that this team is suddenly going to wake up and be consistent offensively?
PMC
December 8th, 2011
10:20 am
I would take Cody Ross as a backup outfielder. I like his game, but seriously, they need a true starting corner outfielder to truely compete at both positions. Neither left nor right field produced like they needed to in order to compete.
Frank Wren to Pujols' Agent
December 8th, 2011
10:23 am
After careful consideration, my offer to Albert is:
$75,000 per year guaranteed for 15 years, with a signing bonus of 10,000 euros, and other bonus options that can take him all the way up to $85,000/yr. Plus I’m including benefits, a relocation package, and $500 in gift certificates to Home Depot. And to really make it hard for Albert to say no, I will throw in a free lawnmower, a 3-speed bicycle and he can have Nate McLouth’s old locker. .
STRETCH
December 8th, 2011
10:24 am
Wow, Pujols to the Angels for 25mil a year? They are gonna be in bad shape in about 3 or 4 years.
Braves Need OF
December 8th, 2011
10:24 am
I read on Yahoo sports that the Astros were willing to pay half of Carlos Lee’s salary to trade him. He’s a pretty good hitter.
bozz
December 8th, 2011
10:25 am
Platooning Is Dumb, Quentin is a 20hr/64rbi/250avg hitter for his career. Where did you get your numbers? He also averages 102 games per season, a far cry from 162.
Farnsworthy
December 8th, 2011
10:27 am
To the Fan in New Jersey: Sober up before you blog.
vesaversa
December 8th, 2011
10:27 am
I keep hearing about a Heyward’ trade which is totally ridiculous .The Braves have great pitching so there is no reason to go there . But they could pick up another good outfielder who can hit that would be nice .
Braves Need OF
December 8th, 2011
10:29 am
The Red Sox want Carlos Quentin now. So scrap that idea…
Bluestreak
December 8th, 2011
10:36 am
Any chance the Braves go for Kendrys Morales for LF? He’s got a good slash line and plays 1st and the OF (although its been in Right). He could start in LF and back up FF at 1st.
I like Cody Ross, but I’d take Morales over him in LF any day.
afan
December 8th, 2011
10:36 am
Braves…lol
Bluestreak
December 8th, 2011
10:37 am
Oh, and he’s a switch hitter too.
afan
December 8th, 2011
10:50 am
Robert Fish, Braves new pitcher that must stay on 25 man roster are be offered back to Angels.
Never get enought Pitchers!….what about a hitter?
PMC
December 8th, 2011
10:57 am
Pujols can DH in the AL so that will add at least a couple of productive years to his career.
10 years though is insanity.
PMC
December 8th, 2011
10:58 am
Also, since we talk about attendance so much. Pitching is freaking boring. The only pitcher (other than our big 3) I’ve ever paid money to see is Verlander.
If you can’t hit, you aren’t going to draw a large audience period. These Braves, cannot hit at all.
STRETCH
December 8th, 2011
11:02 am
Lefty C.J. Wilson will join Albert Pujols in Los Angeles, as the Angels continue a surprising free agent spending spree. The Halos completed a deal with Wilson today, an executive who spoke to the team told Joel Sherman of the New York Post.
kwajbraves
December 8th, 2011
11:15 am
I rather have Trout than Morales. Morales is coming out of ankle surgery and hasn’t play for nearly 2 years. He is better suited to stay in the American league where he could DH.
Billy Ray
December 8th, 2011
11:20 am
Two hours ago different media outlets started posting that Albert Puljos has signed with the Angels. Anybody awake over there at the AJC?
74bravesjersey
December 8th, 2011
11:30 am
There ya have it;year after year the hope so’s we like our team theme they feed the atl fans again,same lineup, not enough threat,not enough clutch; not enough stayin’ alive w/2 strikes. Yeah let’s hope so huh? More threats w/ discipline will save pitchin’ & keep us out of all those xtra innin’s.(offensive threats at the plate,hittin’ w/clutch.
David O'Brien
December 8th, 2011
11:32 am
I rather have Trout than Morales — kwajbraves
Me, too. Because then the Braves could have a Fish and a Trout.
@Fredo
December 8th, 2011
11:32 am
Billy Ray,
Lets get them focused on some Braves coverage first. I can’t wait for the “McCann worth the extension” piece to be reused as a headline in middle December, suckering everyone to click thinking it is a new story.
Josh B
December 8th, 2011
11:36 am
Since Jurrjens is the biggest pitcher on the market now, can somebody give us a good bat for him?
Bill Stanfill
December 8th, 2011
11:38 am
Braves are looking for a “back-up” shortstop?
Back-up for who? (ooops, “whom”)
afan
December 8th, 2011
11:40 am
DOB..love it..LOL!
J-MAN
December 8th, 2011
11:42 am
We need to score more runs because when we have tird games and go to extra innings it takes a toll on the Bull-Pen. Weve lead the majors in extra inning and innings pitch the last 2 seasons. And we complained about Venters and Kimbrel getting tired. We need another proven reliever with closer experience to help with O’ventrbral. Also if we can outscore some people once in a while we can not go to so many extra innings kind of games.
Homo the Brave
December 8th, 2011
11:42 am
Phillies lost 4 players in the Rule 5 Draft today: one in the Major League Phase and three in the AAA Phase. Braves picked up a pitcher named Robert Fish, but they didn’t lose anyone.
J-MAN
December 8th, 2011
11:43 am
We need to score more runs because when we have tied games and go to extra innings it takes a toll on the Bull-Pen. Weve lead the majors in extra inning and innings pitch the last 2 seasons. And we complained about Venters and Kimbrel getting tired. We need another proven reliever with closer experience to help with O’ventrbral. Also if we can outscore some people once in a while we can not go to so many extra innings kind of games.
BravesFanSince1982
December 8th, 2011
11:52 am
J-MAN, I hear you about the offense, but the starters were as much to blame for the bullpen getting gassed. Everyone always talks about our surplus of starters, but Huddy was really the only one who would consistently go deep in games. The others really need to learn how to manage their pitch counts and not be at 100 pitches by the 5th inning.
J-MAN
December 8th, 2011
11:54 am
I think now is the time to rrade Jurrjens for a bat and a SS. I gotta figure The Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, Blue Jays, Reds, Rockies, Cubs, Mariners, D-Backs, Pirates, and Royals all figure to need some Starting Pitching and with Buehrle and C.J. Wilson signed and the only real starting pitcher on the Free agency market is Roy Oswalt. So if the Braves don’t trade him not it would almost seem beyond loonacy.
dap01
December 8th, 2011
11:58 am
I am so hopeful we get that missing piece (a backup SS). Wow, if we could only get that piece that is so important to all teams that did not even make the playoffs.
How much do you bet ticket sales go down in 2012?
J-MAN
December 8th, 2011
11:59 am
I think now is the time to trade Jurrjens for a bat and a SS. I gotta figure The Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, Blue Jays, Reds, Rockies, Cubs, Mariners, D-Backs, Pirates, and Royals all figure to need some Starting Pitching and with Buehrle and C.J. Wilson signed and the only real starting pitcher on the Free agency market is Roy Oswalt. So if the Braves don’t trade him not it would almost seem beyond loonacy.
Bill
December 8th, 2011
11:59 am
DOB–How’s the Music, Food, BBQ, Movies, Motorcycles and women at Winter meetings…since Braves have gone in cold storage for winter.
J-MAN
December 8th, 2011
12:01 pm
If Wren is so worried on saving money then why did he even bother coming here to the GM meetings? He could have saved money on Air fare.
kwajbraves
December 8th, 2011
12:02 pm
@ DOB: We better get Trout or somebody that can hit because then we may be Fish food this year.
kwajbraves
December 8th, 2011
12:04 pm
Wren is so worried on saving money then why did he even bother coming here to the GM meetings? He could have saved money on Air fare.
He shared the seat with FG so they saved some money.
Bluestreak
December 8th, 2011
12:10 pm
We could always trade for Anthony (SDP) or Brian (PHI) Bass for the bullpen too.
SpiritGroupMy@$$
December 8th, 2011
12:22 pm
We all know that Wren is holding pat and waiting for next year. Once Chipper retires at the end of this season, Wren, Gonzalez, and Liberty Media have a deal in place to sell the Braves to True North Sports, at which point the Braves will move to Winnipeg and once again give the National League a Canadian team.
Honestly, would that surprise anyone?
Canadian Braves Fanatic
December 8th, 2011
12:24 pm
Cody Ross would be an awesome pick up. Franks patience will keep the Braves in the hunt in the east. The bats went silent and the bullpen wore down in Sept. but the braves will be back you can count on that.
Michael G.
December 8th, 2011
12:24 pm
cody ross? just what this team needs. Another .240 hitter whose best days are behind him. that fits right in with this team of has-beens or never-will-bes.
Bill
December 8th, 2011
12:30 pm
Cody sucks!
Spirit group…I’ll be dead before next year…I’ve been waiting for next year since 95.
don
December 8th, 2011
12:30 pm
It sounds like Wren may have learned from his past mistakes. I hope so.
Bill
December 8th, 2011
12:33 pm
Wilson to Angels..5yrs $77.5 million
billmaier
December 8th, 2011
12:41 pm
dob- i can see the headlines coming out of atlanta next year fish gets battered by fish or fish fry fish in atlanta or fish get smashed by fish
fordcobra
December 8th, 2011
12:45 pm
Right now I don’t see a team in the Eastern Division worse than the Braves.
BravesfaninWis
December 8th, 2011
12:54 pm
Was Frank Wren even at the Winter Meetings? I didn’t really hear much about Wren or the Braves so just assumed he wasn’t even there. Huh, interesting. So I guess he just went there for a vacation with the family? So while all the other GM’s were making things happen for their teams, Wren was down by the pool sipping on a mixed drink and trying to come up with some other excuses when the Braves collapse again next season. Oh the life of a MLB GM.
Standing Pat
December 8th, 2011
12:59 pm
Common sense tells you that if you have the same team next year that failed this year while another team in your division loads up on all the talent and becomes better than your team that you cannot STAND PAT !
djv125
December 8th, 2011
1:00 pm
All you chipper haters should look at the pujols situation and let it remind you how lucky we are to have a player like chipper jones
J-Roll & CQ Baby
December 8th, 2011
1:01 pm
Das rite. We needs Jimmy Rollins & Carlos Quentin !
Heraldo
December 8th, 2011
1:03 pm
Wow… talk about the biggest understatement of all time as a headline: “Wren not caught up in buzz at Winter Meetings”
Is he even AT the Winter Meetings? Does he know about them?
Chipper's Health
December 8th, 2011
1:03 pm
Yeah, remind me of the turf toe,strained hammy,strained oblique,sore thumb,2 bad knees,rotator cuff (from shooting a rifle) injuries…
Pat Wren
December 8th, 2011
1:05 pm
Status quo blows !
bozz
December 8th, 2011
1:05 pm
“Right now I don’t see a team in the Eastern Division worse than the Braves.”
Easily the most idiotic comment posted on this blog.
Pat Wren
December 8th, 2011
1:07 pm
The Braves thought about signing Albert Pujols but they would have needed to cut Tim Hudson,Jair Jurrgens,Martin Prado,Brian McCann,Michael Bourn,and Dan Uggla to afford him…
Pat Wren
December 8th, 2011
1:08 pm
I really hate Liberty Media. Please sell the team to an owner that spends money !
Terry Pendleton
December 8th, 2011
1:12 pm
Anybody got any sunflower seeds they wanna sell ?
74bravesjersey
December 8th, 2011
1:14 pm
The Braves are a wimpy organization; & that’s coming from a die-hard fan. They don’t want to listen to the frustrations of the fan base. Why? Because terry mcsquirt & da dead pan brass can give a rat’s donkey what the payin’ customer (fans)say.It’s gettin very hard to keep my allegiance to my home team.JS letter was a bunch of BULL!
Larry Parrish
December 8th, 2011
1:14 pm
Wow ! I get fired when I really didn’t have any players to work with. Chipper stayed hurt,Uggla took a home run swing on every pitch,and Heyward just told me to f-off when I tried to help him. Good luck with that Greg Walker…
Joe Kokomo
December 8th, 2011
1:15 pm
I think the braves will need to trade Prado, Jurrjens and Freeman to Dodgers for Matt Kemp and then sign Prince Fielder for a run at the Phillies. Jurrjens has arm problems, Prado is overrated, slow and can’t bunt and Freeman is just above average nothing spectacular about Freddie.
Joe Kokomo
December 8th, 2011
1:18 pm
Braves are going to sign Andre Either and you can take that to the bank.
Cash Strapped Owners
December 8th, 2011
1:19 pm
Kemp just signed for like $20 million per year & Fielder will command about the same. That’s like when JS got McGriff & Maddux. You know, when Ted Turner owned the team and wanted to win. These owners are content in 2nd & 3rd place.
Cash Strapped Owners
December 8th, 2011
1:25 pm
Braves need to add the shortstop (Rollins) and LF (Quentin) that they need to compete with Phillies & Marlins or trade Hudson,Uggla,McCann and go with a youth movement & rebuild for 2013. They need to do one or the other.
Reverend Seymour Covers
December 8th, 2011
1:29 pm
Jason Kubel or Ryan Ludwick makes the most sense for the Braves in LF. Also, I think they will need to sign Cesar Izturis for limited role at SS. And for Insurance Aramis Ramirez is a free agent that you could sign in case Chipper goes down he is only 34 years old and he can still rake.
ltdbrave
December 8th, 2011
1:30 pm
When is Wren ever caught up in these winter meetings. He is about as boring as they come.Just have to face the fact that the Braves just do not spend. They are like the Marlins use to be.
Trader Jacks
December 8th, 2011
1:32 pm
What about Jurrgens & K.Kawakami’s phone number for Jay Bruce (Reds) ?
Trader Jacks
December 8th, 2011
1:33 pm
A.Ramirez will want more than Chipper makes per year. He hit .300 30 100 last year.
Bobbys' Booger
December 8th, 2011
1:38 pm
Nice Delusional quotes from Wrenn…hopefully that is just posturing. If not, there will be a sharp attendance decline. At least half the fans are not fools like upper management takes us to be.
Peter Gammons
December 8th, 2011
1:39 pm
Braves have some offers from Colorado’s Seth Smith but the Braves are not willing to give up Prado,Jurrjens and Randall Delgado for him. Also they have got an offer on the table for Carlos Quentin but Quentin’s durability might be an issue for the Braves.
christophorm
December 8th, 2011
1:41 pm
yeah wren.. they’re so good the cardinals caught them coming from 10 back for the wildcard in less than a month..they’re awesome
SpiritGroupMy@$$
December 8th, 2011
1:46 pm
Quentin’s durability MIGHT be a problem for the Braves? What? This is a team that keeps trotting out CHIPPER JONES. Durability my @$$.
BravesFanLostInOH
December 8th, 2011
1:52 pm
Wren is right….They were the 4th best team in baseball before the collapse, and they didn’t suddenly get bad. Our rookies are a year older. Our wounded have healed up (mostly) and we can expect Uggla to be more like his 2nd half self than his 1st half self next year. CF is no longer a black hole of production, and we now have all kinds of speed. So, really, they should actually be BETTER than last year already. Would a little RH pop be nice? Sure! But where are you going to put him? (And who is he anyway?)
jharber
December 8th, 2011
1:54 pm
tOO EVERYONE ON THIS BLOG, LOOK AT THIS TEAM FROM TOP TO BOTTOM AND TELL ME THEY ARE A PLAYOFF TEAM. IF YOU DEO LOOK IN THE MIRROR QUICKLY. THERE YOU WILL SEE SOMEONE THAT KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT BASEBALL. FAN IN TAMPA YOU HIT NAIL ON HEAD. WREN AND FREDDIE AND JOHN MUST GO TO HAVE ANOTHER COMPETETIVE TEAM FOR WORLD SERIES.
I agree, good....
December 8th, 2011
1:56 pm
but not great….Braves will flirt with wildcard births at best for the foreseeable future…..
bozz
December 8th, 2011
1:57 pm
BravesFanLostInOH,
Fantastic comment! You’re right, we just hit a very rare extended rough patch. It’s not as if the talent level dropped off, if anything we’re better off this year because we’re mostly healthier and the youngsters got some experience
Also, I fully expect to see the Braves go all-out from start to finish because they should now know that you can’t take your foot off the gas pedal once you build a big lead.
bozz
December 8th, 2011
1:58 pm
jharber,
They’re a playoff team, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Also, turn off your caps lock key.
extremus
December 8th, 2011
2:03 pm
The overall negativity and cynicism being displayed here should show how Braves fans feel about the way ownership and management has handled the team as of late. For the most part these aren’t trolls or folks from some other city trying to incite anger; we’re long-time, dedicated Braves fans, many of whom endured the awful 70s and 80s, the highs (and often postseason disappointment) of the 1990s and early 2000s, and the fact remains we STILL care or I’m sure we’d be finding something else to do other than posting here.
And while opinions differ on how drastic the measures taken should be after the September debacle, I think most of us would agree that seeing more emotion (outrage, disappointment, even anger) over that collapse from Braves ownership and management would be not only justifiable but expected. This is a team that grossly underperformed on a consistent basis offensively all year, down to the fundamentals like bunting, advancing baserunners, and certainly getting them home; the frustration for fans was only exacerbated by such now-infamous repeated lines as “You gotta hand it to…” from Freddi Gonzalez and the dead-eyed expressions of Braves hitters throughout the season., especially September when it looked like they’d just flat quit.
I understand Frank Wren is trying to be fiscally responsible and not make hasty personnel changes that could bite the Braves in the long run; the issue is not about the Marlins signing big names, the Angels landing Pujols, and so forth; it’s about our GM stating that “he likes the pieces that we have in place” when those pieces failed so miserably this past season, holding his cards close to the vest rather than, at the very least, letting the fans see some semblance of urgency and giving the players and Freddi some accountability for what happened. I’m fine with Wren being responsible and trying to get the best deals possible with what Liberty Media gives him to work with; my issue is that so far he just doesn’t seem to get the fact that fans are ticked off, and his public statements and hesitance to enter the fray for ANY difference-makers reflect that.
Ray
December 8th, 2011
2:04 pm
Hey fan in tampa and a few of the others that said uggla is horrible in defense.. we don’t want you to let the facts and the numbers to get in the way of your complaining.. Uggla did commit 15 errors which he tied Weeks for.. but he was 4th in total chances, 5th in put outs, and 8th in range factor.. So he was in the top 4 in total chances and was ranked 8th in range factor. Gold Glove no,, but he wasn’t the awful brick hand sloth that you try to portray him as either. Oh yeah.. and after having a tough first half, he worked his butt off and put up strong power numbers. I think its quite easy to say, his avg will get back close to his lifetime avg.. But like I said.. we don’t want facts to get in the way of your spewing. And Prado has been injury prone.. really? 1 yr makes him injury prone?
Roy Jones Jr.
December 8th, 2011
2:27 pm
Trade Frank Wren………
afan
December 8th, 2011
2:33 pm
ohio keep believing that crap
afan
December 8th, 2011
2:34 pm
agree Roy!
Frank Wren
December 8th, 2011
2:46 pm
You fans don’t know what your talking about and all you do is bust my chops. I am doing my best to build you a superior team here in Atlanta just like i did with the Marlins. So give me a little slack and just look at my resume it’s almost as perfect as my hair.
Russ Nixon
December 8th, 2011
2:50 pm
The braves look pretty good in 2011 and should be able to go forward in 2012. Braves had a lot of injuries last season and the team was very young and inexperienced. They have just a few pieces of the puzzle to go to be a dominant contender
74bravesjersey
December 8th, 2011
2:55 pm
As I remember correctly fw said he was going to meet the needs aggressively right after the colosso september colapse & no one really is protected if the offers are right. I understand if the offers hadn’t been up to par but when the whole city (fan base)was embarrased, I was gettin’ fired up when frank had a little fire in his belly,(then must’ve been indigestion, but I thought our GM was gonna become an aggressor in making some legit deals to make us stronger(One big Thumper in left)to solidify a more potent lineup(ala Carlos Quinten, or michael cuddyer). How did we fair against our div.rivals this past season? anybody know the numbers? everybody else other than the mets made deals to make their rosters, their lineups stronger, yet we still bargain shoppin’ at the dollar store hope’n to find cheap value. Yeah the brass is shaking it up now. Yeah I laughed & loved it when the all world teams lost out in the first round, but dang it, they still year after year go into the off seasons & meetings & stay aggressive to win. I & everyone else here(or most) are tired of the dollar(.98cent value) while everyone else knows how to bargain & remain a threat in the div.for a championship. I want our team & city to have some of that pie instead of crumbs that might fall our way. I don’t know, but does the Braves brass know either? (yes, push for an andre either) anything to get us a level stronger & higher. We’ve been a middle of the road joke for a while it’s time to ebb up & run past the bulls & be the main thumper bull! HEAR THE FAN BASE MAJORITY roar FW, Were sick of the kool-aid, we want some real PUNCH! DELIVER THIS to the main BRASS will ya DOB? thanks DOB, ur ACES in my book man, cause’ I gotta feelin’ u understand where were commin’ from.
2 hot scott
December 8th, 2011
2:59 pm
Guys, please stop the nonsense. Didn’t you read DOB’s article at all, the Braves are not looking for starters at SS and/or LF, they are looking for backups at these positions, in other words, another Omar Infante and another Matt Diaz. Please get off the B.J. Upton, Hanley Rameriz, Jimmy Rollins crap. Wren has stated that Pastornicky is going to Spring Training as the starter unless someone falls in their lap. Prado isn’t going anywhere because he can start in LF and backup Chipper on his off-days or if he gets hurt. To me jack Wilson fills the bill as the backup shortstop/utility infielder, and yes, give him a 2 year deal, then that situation is taken care of. Talk to Ryan Ludwick’s agent to see if they are asking too much for a part-time outfielder with some pop who could play either LF or RF, and a little 1B, if needed. Also, the non-tender date is next Monday, December 12th, and alot of players can be had at a cheaper price after that. I wish MLB wold move the non-tender date to late November, then the clubs would know all the player that are available.
STRETCH
December 8th, 2011
3:05 pm
Bryan Burwell of the St. Louis Post is whinning about how the Cards treated Pujols. What an idiot!
And actually i applaud them for letting him go. They gave a 32 year old first baseman that has NO speed with a bum knee an offer of 200-220 mil and he turned it down. So now its the Angels problem.
NOBODY is worth that much money, not one person. Its a team sport and you dont need guys like that on your team. So the issue you are going to have now is this: Suppose Pujols goes there and puts up 280/30/111 and Trumbo or Wells puts 325/45/130 then what are those guys to think?
Might be some rumbling in the clubhouse ya think? All in all, great move by the cards, they can now use that money to grab 3 or 4 players. And im thinking thats what they do now to soften the blow and get some good public relations going. They have to since La Russa and now Pujols is gone. They will be back.
ERIK
December 8th, 2011
3:05 pm
hey as a life long Braves fan, i just don’t have any faith in what they are doing. Lets get rid of the young good talent and hope we still have the magic of 15 plus years ago. i know its not a sure championship if you spend a lot of money but damn lets try for once. We need someone in the lineup or pitcher to bring some excitement to the club.
ERIK
December 8th, 2011
3:07 pm
@2 hot scott amen
Frank
December 8th, 2011
3:11 pm
Don’t really care how we just fell short… bottom line… WE DID NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. Classic braves mentality kept Lowe in the rotation. I understand that he was a veteran and all, but when your pitching is based off of movement and your pitches don’t move like they used to… that’s called batting practice. And now we are sitting “waiting for the right deal.” I’m fine with that, but we need to be ready to let the kids pitch if that’s our plan. We have been holding them back like collectible toys and we’re too afraid to take them out of the box. Let them all pitch, they can learn from huddy/other vets, and at the same time have each other for back-up. I woulda been fine watching teheran/minor/delgado taking losses at the end rather than lowe. If what I’m saying is “20/20 hindsight”, then what is it called allowing a pitcher with 8.75 era (in the month of September) doing on the mound during crunch time? Get a legit bat and let the kids pitch.
Frank
December 8th, 2011
3:14 pm
If what I’m saying is “20/20 hindsight”, then what is it called allowing a pitcher with 8.75 era (in the month of September) on the mound during crunch time?*
jb
December 8th, 2011
3:15 pm
hot scott..lol
Wilson 2yr contract..are u crazy?
Ludwick’s..couldn’t hit my sister in the azz with a truck!
We read the Best by DOB..we get what he said..thats one reason we mad at Wren (Braves)for doing nothing to improve this team..a back up SS and a sub LF’er is not improvement..it sucks.
IF….they all hit 300…if they don’t get hurt…if no other teams improve…if the pitchers come through…if a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his azz…..
Navigator
December 8th, 2011
3:39 pm
I will say again, if Chipper Jones is still playing on this team this year the results will be the same as last. I’m really tired of him trying to force his will on the players and team to be laid back and not be individuals with passion. Take your lumps, trade him to the Yankees, Boston to play there for one year or eat his salary and bring a hungry young player to take his place.
Skeezix
December 8th, 2011
3:57 pm
Re: the Pujols/Angels deal: After years of love, support and adulation from Redbird fans, Albert dumps all over St. Louis for even more green. The Angels are nuts to pay such an obscene amount. This is an example of why so many fans are disillusioned and cynical about pro sports. Some day it will all come crashing down. It is simply not sustainable.
0-my
December 8th, 2011
4:01 pm
someone asked if Diaz is under contract for next year…Yes, nobody wanted him..no even Pirates.
dap01
December 8th, 2011
4:07 pm
The Braves did not even get a “backup SS”. I can understand them not moving JJ until later and therefore not getting OF help but they did not even get a backup SS (not exactly the hardest position to fill).
Hard to be excited.
jb
December 8th, 2011
4:15 pm
Albert dumps all over Redbirds fans? for $40 million more you would too. He’s not crazy..the owners are. Cards should have signed him last year but didn’t.. Lesson to be learned…He who hesitates is loss.
jb
December 8th, 2011
4:17 pm
Dap01..u are so right..nothing about this team to excite.
jb
December 8th, 2011
4:19 pm
ALEX signs with Brewers..good luck!
Voice of Reason
December 8th, 2011
4:21 pm
Cuddyer for 3 years at $27-30 – I understand he is balking, or at least thinking more deeply about, at a 3-yr, $25 million offer from both Twins and Rockies. A right-handed bat who plays both corner outfields and first base – gives us some versatility plus 20-25 homers. Good protection in the lineup and, I understand, a positive presence in the clubhouse. DOB, any rumors that FW might be talking to his agent?
BravesfaninWis
December 8th, 2011
4:40 pm
Marlins handled the Braves pretty easily last year without all the moves they made, no reason to believe they won’t do it again. The Braves are a 80-90 win team tops, and will not make the playoffs again. Why does a team even exist when they can’t afford to make moves? Are they here just to fill a spot so other teams have someone to play?
BravesFanSince1982
December 8th, 2011
4:45 pm
Never gonna happen with Cuddyer, but he would be a nice fit
CF Bourn
RF Heyward
3B Jones
2B Uggla
C McCann
LF Cuddyer
1B Freeman
SS Pastornicky
big j
December 8th, 2011
4:53 pm
hows rollins going to give u 120 runs when he is hurt almost as much as reyes?
Bill
December 8th, 2011
5:00 pm
Meeting over .. Wren caught only one Fish…what a joke!
kevkat
December 8th, 2011
5:16 pm
“And I know that it’s hard sometimes for fans sometimes to see it the way we see it, but I think if you take a close look at our team position by position on the field, you come away [realizing] we match up very well with other teams.
“And I think what we have, starting pitching wise and bullpen wise, is a depth that very few other teams have.”
- Frank Wren
The above statements tell you all you need to know about Wren and any urgency to make the Braves any better. He’s satisfied with the wrong “C” word-competing, instead of the right “C” word-championships. It’s sad to see the Braves seemingly giving in to being just good enough to hang around in hopes for a Wild Card spot. We as fans may not see whatever you see Mr. Wren, but we can verify what we do see and have seen and that is a disappointing team and General Manager.
jharber
December 8th, 2011
5:24 pm
Let mr. Wren see the attendence in 12. Then just maybe Mr. John will smell the roses, send Wren and Freddie packing.
alexcox
December 8th, 2011
8:05 pm
estoy esperando algun movimiento si no hasen ninguno son inconpetentes por q siempre hay q mejorar y este equipo le hase falta algunos puntos para poder salir campeones hasi q si no logran alguno yo empesaria FIRE a wren
Braves Fan Since 1966
December 8th, 2011
8:14 pm
I think Wren is right. We have a good team…one that’s above average but certainly not a top tier team. Maybe if the number of playoff spots increases, we can get one of the cheap spots with 85 – 88 wins. Problem is that this team has a DNA problem at its core and it was demonstrated in September. In addition, we don’t have the hitting power or on-base percentage to compete against good pitching. Wren and Liberty Media are satisfied being “also rans” and hoping for enough promotions to get enough attendance to break even.
Logan
December 8th, 2011
9:54 pm
Liberty Media has the right to sell the team after the current CBA expires on December 11th. Does anyone have Devine Intervention’s phone number?
Fritz
December 8th, 2011
10:47 pm
Fielder 1b, Hayward and Freeman on the corners, Escobar 2b, Andrus SS (until 2013 when Chipper retires) Chipper 3B, McCann C, Borne CF would have been a pretty good team. Escobar cannot go free agent until 2014, Andrus 2015, Borne 2013 with Hayward 2016 and Freeman 2017. That which would have been a pretty cost effective team. You could move Escobar to 3b in 2013 when Chipper’s contract is up and go out and find a 2nd baseman in 2013. That would have been a very young team with the only significant $’s being paid to Fielder if you chose to sign him and move Freeman to the outfield. We have nothing to show for Andrus and Feliz and not much as of yet for Escobar. I hear the SS in the minors can hit ( came in the Escobar deal) but again that is in the minors. All these guys are proven ML players. If Blowby Cox after 23+years as a ML manager would have learned how to speak Spanish… Escobar, Andrus, Feliz and others might still be here. BTW Freddy Gonzalez is not the solution either. Looking at the site below only makes me realize what a real shortstop looks like… trust me it’s not Gonzalez who we got in the Escobar trade.
mopupduty.com/yunel-escobar/
BRAVES # ONE FAN
December 8th, 2011
11:27 pm
Package JJ and Prado and lets find a RIGHT handed power hitter. We have one of the top if not the top pitching staff, but we can’t score. How many ball games did we lose last year 2-1 and 3-2?? If Hayward gets his act together,and Uggla hits the first half of the season the way he hit the second half. Freddie Freeman should have a monster season. The Marlins may have just the power hitter we are looking for,but he is a shortstop. From what I’m reading he is not happy about playing third base. Hanley would look good in a Braves uniform. With Bourne hitting leadoff and Hanley hitting in the 2 or 3 hole look at the speed at the top of the line up. I like Cody Ross but this would be a fantastic upgrade.
PhilW1957
December 9th, 2011
12:27 am
DOB, Wren wasn’t caught up in ANYTHING at the Winter Meetings here in Dallas.
josh
December 9th, 2011
2:09 am
wren says “he thinks” we have a good team and we match up good with others hmmmm… well i think thats a bunch of bull you cant rely on thinkin you have to know, and you have to have a team better than just good or youre not gonna get anywhere 90 percent of the time. you only have a couple power bats as of now and you have a couple sp that can win dependin on how this “good” team will hit that day. so while everyone is beefin up there clubs we will be relying on rookies and the rule five draft system. way to go!
cowdogit
December 9th, 2011
8:32 am
The braves were pathetic when trying to score a runner from third with no outs.The last thing the braves need is a home run coach [ THEY NEED A CONTACT HITTER COACH ] The braves pitchers have broken down six years in a row. The braves have a very good team, what they need is a good coaching staff !!!
Bernie
December 9th, 2011
2:30 pm
Sure the Braves have a good nucleus of players but they can’t hit and Mr. Wrenn is fooling his self if he thinks they are going to do better next year. That’s the problem for a long time with the team and if they think that’s going to get better hanging on to the same old players get ready for the same old dissapointment next year.
Bernie
December 9th, 2011
2:32 pm
Go ahead and retire Larry.
cowdogit
December 9th, 2011
4:10 pm
I would have to say its the batboys fault the braves strike out with runners on third.He needs to stockup on some bats that don’t have holes in them!!!
#3
December 9th, 2011
6:57 pm
I have to agree with Columbus. I have a feeling the Marlins will eventually regret their long term deals, especially with Beurle and Reyes. I’ll use the Braves and Lowe, Hampton, Mclouth and Kawakami as an example. How about the Dodgers and Andruw Jones, the Mets and Jason Bay, the White Sox and Dunn, the Red Sox and Carl Crawford, and the Nats and Werth to name a few others. I like the Heath Bell deal but is Reyes gonna hit over .300 and stay healthy every season? Beurle reminds me of the incredibly stupid deal we gave Lowe. Those huge salaries and long contracts are tough to dump on someone if they don’t work out. Wren was lucky to save $5,000,000 on Lowe. If you take away the Prado and Heyward “slump”, some unlucky injuries, and even Uggla’s 1st half slump you are left with a potentially dangerous lineup. Even Mac wasn’t the same after coming off the DL last season. I would be more concerned about the rookie starting at short and keeping Chipper and the rotation healthy than the “power” bat. Prado is a great utility man and they need him for backup. One semi bad season doesn’t mean he sucks any more than one good postseason makes Cody Ross great. The Braves need someone who can get on base and drive in runs. I would prefer a guy who bats .300 and drives in a ton of runs rather than a guys who hits 20-25 homers but only hits .245 and drives in 60-65. The Braves sucked horribly with RISP last season and all the blown opportunities were heartbreaking. Let’s find someone who can bring those runners in and not strike out or ground into a double play with runners on the corners and 1 out! I hope the Braves use the little bit of $ they have wisley and don’t make any bad trades in the process.
wins-by-a-link
December 10th, 2011
10:16 am
Wren is like the kid standing on the side walk looking in the glass window at a candy store wishing he had something in his pockets beside lint, The Braves will never win a tittle as long as Liberty Media owns them.
Brave New World
December 10th, 2011
1:33 pm
Braves will win 90+ games in 2012 with some minor tweaking.
Ozzie
December 10th, 2011
10:57 pm
Braves win 82 games and miss WC in 2012 as is. Offense is too streaky and INF defense will stink with Pastornicky.
Wren and FG fired under new mgt by Jan 2013.
Bookmark it.
chris
December 10th, 2011
11:57 pm
so glad to see we’re not in a hurry about anything….wow for a minute I thought that was a bad dream…oops no, it’s more of Frank Wren’s absolute genius that he has shown ….without a doubt the WORSE general manager the Braves have ever had and that goes back to the paper bag days of the 70s, at least then Ted T would spend like hell to make us better…Ridiculous comments by a general manager….he needs to go
nelson
December 11th, 2011
1:54 am
as I say goodbye to this franchise, the owners of the fans scoff and laugh in our face, exhorts others to do the same and not attending games. when I see this team is sold and then will buy an owner, but do not let any gm or president we see the face of a..holes, if not more and not go back because it hurts you know, being a fan for 20 years. goodbye to the brave and become only when you see winning big movements.
Around The Horn
December 11th, 2011
5:42 pm
J.D. DREW
An NL GM on J.D. Drew: “I know he had a wasted year, but he can still hit, he can still defend, and for a National League team, he’d be a heck of a bat off the bench. If he wants that role. He could easily be a starter somewhere. He’s not that old, and sometimes that fresh start energizes a player.”
wisconsinbraveswin
December 12th, 2011
1:24 pm
we went through September as if we didn’t have a clue as to do what it takes to keep a 10 game lead on the Cardinals, we self destruct an it is our fault we suck big time and yes while other teams are making moves so should we, I hate our owner where is Ted Turner or Arthor Blake when you need them, this is so bs
Homer
December 12th, 2011
1:37 pm
David O’Brien – Me, too. Because then the Braves could have a Fish and a Trout.
Idiot.
atlbravesal83
December 12th, 2011
2:47 pm
Totally agree, Upton on this team would be lethal. Speed we have been looking for, 20HR pop and good Defense. Put him in left and start him 145 times and Prado becomes the uber-utility guy he should be. World Series in 2012. I also like the idea of renting Beltran for a season at 10 Mil, but a legit bigger name bat is what we need if we go that route.
Kyle
December 13th, 2011
8:04 am
I’m glad Frank is happy with his club. Hope he is up to buying his own tickets to the games to watch a team that when their is the hint of fall in the air they fall as well.
Dave Hughes
December 13th, 2011
8:11 am
Give me friggin break. I think Frank Wren is an idiot. Do you want us to believe that Frank Wren is some super GM genius because he “doesn’t get caught up in the buzz of winter meetings” or because “Wren waits patiently” during the meetings. He didn’t do anything because he is an idiot and has no game plan. He is no smarter or wiser than anyone because he made no moves. It appears to me that he is either stupid or not informed for not making any moves.
Bill
December 13th, 2011
8:25 am
Now it re-runs……wow!
Dave Hughes
December 13th, 2011
8:37 am
Bill….what are you talking about?
Nick
December 13th, 2011
8:39 am
Reruns?
Bill
December 13th, 2011
10:40 am
just a joke..forget it.
DNice
December 13th, 2011
11:02 am
Andruw Jones is affordable and willing to come back and take on a spot. You may find out that he can play every day because he has been rested and also lost weight. I think he could give you 25-35 homers based on the 2 year sample from the Rangers and Yankees. No he is not the Andruw we lost but he is more disciplined in hitting even though he cant cover the ground he once covered but remember his instincts havent changed and he still has the same early jumps that others didnt and will never get.
ab initio
December 13th, 2011
11:46 am
Wren: “Our team went through a bad streak for 30 days, but we have a good team.”
My take: this idiot has rationalized himself back to square one.
Questions for Wren: what part of the season were those 30 days, and do you think that when the collapse occurred, that it occurred at the most important time?
Native Atlanta
December 13th, 2011
6:26 pm
Braves are looking more and more like the Hawks, trying to field a pro team on the cheap.
OldTimer
December 13th, 2011
6:34 pm
The Braves have talent, except for 3rd base. What they don’t have is guts and heart. That’s how you win the final 30.
jeffrey d
December 13th, 2011
7:17 pm
It was the pitching that kept them in 90 percent of their games!!!
Yeah, and what does pitching ever win?
steve
December 13th, 2011
7:43 pm
Backup shortstop? We don’t have a starting shortstop! Jack Wilson is a starter on a team that will lose 100 games.. not a supposed contender. God can we please get some new owners.. this is insane!
David O'Brien
December 13th, 2011
8:21 pm
Backup shortstop? We don’t have a starting shortstop! Jack Wilson is a starter on a team that will lose 100 games — steve
Steve, just as a friendly aside: Wilson isn’t on the roster, and the Braves have never mentioned him being a candidate to start if he were on the roster. Rookie Tyler Pastornicky is penciled in for that role.
Larry30
December 13th, 2011
8:43 pm
Hittahomer may be the only person on any of these blogs who gets it. You wondered why, if only 7 teams had more homers than the braves, did we have so few RBI’s. The vast majority of the homers were solo shots. All of the people who have been clamoring for a “big bat” got it last year and it still did no good. We need guys like Utley who can come to the plate with men on base and think about what he can do with bat to move those guys around the bases. Our guys just rear back and swing fr the fences. If we don’t get some smarter hitters everyone will be singing the same song about our inability to score runs consistently. And if our defense regresses next season the lack of hitting will be magnified once again not to mention the strain it puts on a pitching staff to have to get 4 or 5 outs in an inning instead of 3. We need another power hitter like we need more overpriced food at turner field. We need someone who is a hitter with a hitter’s brain.
Larry30
December 13th, 2011
8:51 pm
You must be kidding about upton. A career .257 hitter who managed to hit .243 on a playoff team last year is going to make us “lethal?” I noticed Ryan church didn’t play anywhere last year, maybe he would play for the minimum. Wren thought he was good enough to trade for a couple of years ago. I saw where Arizona let Saunders go; he had a 3.48 era last season. That should qualify him for an offer from wren of about $15 mil for one season. Go get ‘em, frank.
Larry30
December 13th, 2011
8:55 pm
@native Atlanta- the rays and diamondbacks managed to make the playoffs last year with combined payrolls roughly equal to the braves. Money ain’t the biggest problem. We wasted $30 mil last season on KK, Lowe, and McLouth. Getting our money’s worth is the problem for this gm.
chris
December 14th, 2011
9:41 am
only this stupid GM would be happy with this club without making any moves to improve it. I guess when we get to December 2012 and the Braves finish in the second tier of the division again after the Marlins and Phillies and the upcoming Nationals kick out butts all year with their hitting and pitching he’ll still be happy. Thank God for the Mets they will always keep us out of the cellar
sparky
December 14th, 2011
2:14 pm
Wrenn is all wet. Harkening back to Aug. and saying we had a bad month is crap. Freddie had the bad month when he took Constanza out and put Heyward in. We needed someone to light a fire and C did. Poor managing. We need someone to play short and third and someone who has some pop for the outfield. Prado is expendable as he is an infielder, 2nd or 3rd and we have Methousela and Uggla there now.
Jack Lill
December 14th, 2011
4:48 pm
Wren sitting on his duff while others in the division are getting help. He can help the Braves most by retiring.
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