9:40 pm December 7, 2011, by David O'Brien
December 8th, 201111:38 am
Braves are looking for a “back-up” shortstop?
Back-up for who? (ooops, “whom”)
December 8th, 201111:40 am
December 8th, 201111:42 am
We need to score more runs because when we have tird games and go to extra innings it takes a toll on the Bull-Pen. Weve lead the majors in extra inning and innings pitch the last 2 seasons. And we complained about Venters and Kimbrel getting tired. We need another proven reliever with closer experience to help with O’ventrbral. Also if we can outscore some people once in a while we can not go to so many extra innings kind of games.
Homo the Brave
Phillies lost 4 players in the Rule 5 Draft today: one in the Major League Phase and three in the AAA Phase. Braves picked up a pitcher named Robert Fish, but they didn’t lose anyone.
December 8th, 201111:43 am
We need to score more runs because when we have tied games and go to extra innings it takes a toll on the Bull-Pen. Weve lead the majors in extra inning and innings pitch the last 2 seasons. And we complained about Venters and Kimbrel getting tired. We need another proven reliever with closer experience to help with O’ventrbral. Also if we can outscore some people once in a while we can not go to so many extra innings kind of games.
December 8th, 201111:52 am
J-MAN, I hear you about the offense, but the starters were as much to blame for the bullpen getting gassed. Everyone always talks about our surplus of starters, but Huddy was really the only one who would consistently go deep in games. The others really need to learn how to manage their pitch counts and not be at 100 pitches by the 5th inning.
December 8th, 201111:54 am
I think now is the time to rrade Jurrjens for a bat and a SS. I gotta figure The Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, Blue Jays, Reds, Rockies, Cubs, Mariners, D-Backs, Pirates, and Royals all figure to need some Starting Pitching and with Buehrle and C.J. Wilson signed and the only real starting pitcher on the Free agency market is Roy Oswalt. So if the Braves don’t trade him not it would almost seem beyond loonacy.
December 8th, 201111:58 am
I am so hopeful we get that missing piece (a backup SS). Wow, if we could only get that piece that is so important to all teams that did not even make the playoffs.
How much do you bet ticket sales go down in 2012?
December 8th, 201111:59 am
I think now is the time to trade Jurrjens for a bat and a SS. I gotta figure The Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, Blue Jays, Reds, Rockies, Cubs, Mariners, D-Backs, Pirates, and Royals all figure to need some Starting Pitching and with Buehrle and C.J. Wilson signed and the only real starting pitcher on the Free agency market is Roy Oswalt. So if the Braves don’t trade him not it would almost seem beyond loonacy.
DOB–How’s the Music, Food, BBQ, Movies, Motorcycles and women at Winter meetings…since Braves have gone in cold storage for winter.
December 8th, 201112:01 pm
If Wren is so worried on saving money then why did he even bother coming here to the GM meetings? He could have saved money on Air fare.
December 8th, 201112:02 pm
@ DOB: We better get Trout or somebody that can hit because then we may be Fish food this year.
December 8th, 201112:04 pm
Wren is so worried on saving money then why did he even bother coming here to the GM meetings? He could have saved money on Air fare.
He shared the seat with FG so they saved some money.
December 8th, 201112:10 pm
We could always trade for Anthony (SDP) or Brian (PHI) Bass for the bullpen too.
December 8th, 201112:22 pm
We all know that Wren is holding pat and waiting for next year. Once Chipper retires at the end of this season, Wren, Gonzalez, and Liberty Media have a deal in place to sell the Braves to True North Sports, at which point the Braves will move to Winnipeg and once again give the National League a Canadian team.
Honestly, would that surprise anyone?
Canadian Braves Fanatic
December 8th, 201112:24 pm
Cody Ross would be an awesome pick up. Franks patience will keep the Braves in the hunt in the east. The bats went silent and the bullpen wore down in Sept. but the braves will be back you can count on that.
cody ross? just what this team needs. Another .240 hitter whose best days are behind him. that fits right in with this team of has-beens or never-will-bes.
December 8th, 201112:30 pm
Spirit group…I’ll be dead before next year…I’ve been waiting for next year since 95.
It sounds like Wren may have learned from his past mistakes. I hope so.
December 8th, 201112:33 pm
Wilson to Angels..5yrs $77.5 million
December 8th, 201112:41 pm
dob- i can see the headlines coming out of atlanta next year fish gets battered by fish or fish fry fish in atlanta or fish get smashed by fish
December 8th, 201112:45 pm
Right now I don’t see a team in the Eastern Division worse than the Braves.
December 8th, 201112:54 pm
Was Frank Wren even at the Winter Meetings? I didn’t really hear much about Wren or the Braves so just assumed he wasn’t even there. Huh, interesting. So I guess he just went there for a vacation with the family? So while all the other GM’s were making things happen for their teams, Wren was down by the pool sipping on a mixed drink and trying to come up with some other excuses when the Braves collapse again next season. Oh the life of a MLB GM.
December 8th, 201112:59 pm
Common sense tells you that if you have the same team next year that failed this year while another team in your division loads up on all the talent and becomes better than your team that you cannot STAND PAT !
December 8th, 20111:00 pm
All you chipper haters should look at the pujols situation and let it remind you how lucky we are to have a player like chipper jones
J-Roll & CQ Baby
December 8th, 20111:01 pm
Das rite. We needs Jimmy Rollins & Carlos Quentin !
December 8th, 20111:03 pm
Wow… talk about the biggest understatement of all time as a headline: “Wren not caught up in buzz at Winter Meetings”
Is he even AT the Winter Meetings? Does he know about them?
Yeah, remind me of the turf toe,strained hammy,strained oblique,sore thumb,2 bad knees,rotator cuff (from shooting a rifle) injuries…
December 8th, 20111:05 pm
Status quo blows !
“Right now I don’t see a team in the Eastern Division worse than the Braves.”
Easily the most idiotic comment posted on this blog.
December 8th, 20111:07 pm
The Braves thought about signing Albert Pujols but they would have needed to cut Tim Hudson,Jair Jurrgens,Martin Prado,Brian McCann,Michael Bourn,and Dan Uggla to afford him…
December 8th, 20111:08 pm
I really hate Liberty Media. Please sell the team to an owner that spends money !
December 8th, 20111:12 pm
Anybody got any sunflower seeds they wanna sell ?
December 8th, 20111:14 pm
The Braves are a wimpy organization; & that’s coming from a die-hard fan. They don’t want to listen to the frustrations of the fan base. Why? Because terry mcsquirt & da dead pan brass can give a rat’s donkey what the payin’ customer (fans)say.It’s gettin very hard to keep my allegiance to my home team.JS letter was a bunch of BULL!
Wow ! I get fired when I really didn’t have any players to work with. Chipper stayed hurt,Uggla took a home run swing on every pitch,and Heyward just told me to f-off when I tried to help him. Good luck with that Greg Walker…
December 8th, 20111:15 pm
I think the braves will need to trade Prado, Jurrjens and Freeman to Dodgers for Matt Kemp and then sign Prince Fielder for a run at the Phillies. Jurrjens has arm problems, Prado is overrated, slow and can’t bunt and Freeman is just above average nothing spectacular about Freddie.
December 8th, 20111:18 pm
Braves are going to sign Andre Either and you can take that to the bank.
Cash Strapped Owners
December 8th, 20111:19 pm
Kemp just signed for like $20 million per year & Fielder will command about the same. That’s like when JS got McGriff & Maddux. You know, when Ted Turner owned the team and wanted to win. These owners are content in 2nd & 3rd place.
December 8th, 20111:25 pm
Braves need to add the shortstop (Rollins) and LF (Quentin) that they need to compete with Phillies & Marlins or trade Hudson,Uggla,McCann and go with a youth movement & rebuild for 2013. They need to do one or the other.
Reverend Seymour Covers
December 8th, 20111:29 pm
Jason Kubel or Ryan Ludwick makes the most sense for the Braves in LF. Also, I think they will need to sign Cesar Izturis for limited role at SS. And for Insurance Aramis Ramirez is a free agent that you could sign in case Chipper goes down he is only 34 years old and he can still rake.
December 8th, 20111:30 pm
When is Wren ever caught up in these winter meetings. He is about as boring as they come.Just have to face the fact that the Braves just do not spend. They are like the Marlins use to be.
December 8th, 20111:32 pm
What about Jurrgens & K.Kawakami’s phone number for Jay Bruce (Reds) ?
December 8th, 20111:33 pm
A.Ramirez will want more than Chipper makes per year. He hit .300 30 100 last year.
December 8th, 20111:38 pm
Nice Delusional quotes from Wrenn…hopefully that is just posturing. If not, there will be a sharp attendance decline. At least half the fans are not fools like upper management takes us to be.
December 8th, 20111:39 pm
Braves have some offers from Colorado’s Seth Smith but the Braves are not willing to give up Prado,Jurrjens and Randall Delgado for him. Also they have got an offer on the table for Carlos Quentin but Quentin’s durability might be an issue for the Braves.
December 8th, 20111:41 pm
yeah wren.. they’re so good the cardinals caught them coming from 10 back for the wildcard in less than a month..they’re awesome
December 8th, 20111:46 pm
Quentin’s durability MIGHT be a problem for the Braves? What? This is a team that keeps trotting out CHIPPER JONES. Durability my @$$.
December 8th, 20111:52 pm
Wren is right….They were the 4th best team in baseball before the collapse, and they didn’t suddenly get bad. Our rookies are a year older. Our wounded have healed up (mostly) and we can expect Uggla to be more like his 2nd half self than his 1st half self next year. CF is no longer a black hole of production, and we now have all kinds of speed. So, really, they should actually be BETTER than last year already. Would a little RH pop be nice? Sure! But where are you going to put him? (And who is he anyway?)
December 8th, 20111:54 pm
tOO EVERYONE ON THIS BLOG, LOOK AT THIS TEAM FROM TOP TO BOTTOM AND TELL ME THEY ARE A PLAYOFF TEAM. IF YOU DEO LOOK IN THE MIRROR QUICKLY. THERE YOU WILL SEE SOMEONE THAT KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT BASEBALL. FAN IN TAMPA YOU HIT NAIL ON HEAD. WREN AND FREDDIE AND JOHN MUST GO TO HAVE ANOTHER COMPETETIVE TEAM FOR WORLD SERIES.
I agree, good....
December 8th, 20111:56 pm
but not great….Braves will flirt with wildcard births at best for the foreseeable future…..
December 8th, 20111:57 pm
Fantastic comment! You’re right, we just hit a very rare extended rough patch. It’s not as if the talent level dropped off, if anything we’re better off this year because we’re mostly healthier and the youngsters got some experience
Also, I fully expect to see the Braves go all-out from start to finish because they should now know that you can’t take your foot off the gas pedal once you build a big lead.
December 8th, 20111:58 pm
They’re a playoff team, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Also, turn off your caps lock key.
December 8th, 20112:03 pm
The overall negativity and cynicism being displayed here should show how Braves fans feel about the way ownership and management has handled the team as of late. For the most part these aren’t trolls or folks from some other city trying to incite anger; we’re long-time, dedicated Braves fans, many of whom endured the awful 70s and 80s, the highs (and often postseason disappointment) of the 1990s and early 2000s, and the fact remains we STILL care or I’m sure we’d be finding something else to do other than posting here.
And while opinions differ on how drastic the measures taken should be after the September debacle, I think most of us would agree that seeing more emotion (outrage, disappointment, even anger) over that collapse from Braves ownership and management would be not only justifiable but expected. This is a team that grossly underperformed on a consistent basis offensively all year, down to the fundamentals like bunting, advancing baserunners, and certainly getting them home; the frustration for fans was only exacerbated by such now-infamous repeated lines as “You gotta hand it to…” from Freddi Gonzalez and the dead-eyed expressions of Braves hitters throughout the season., especially September when it looked like they’d just flat quit.
I understand Frank Wren is trying to be fiscally responsible and not make hasty personnel changes that could bite the Braves in the long run; the issue is not about the Marlins signing big names, the Angels landing Pujols, and so forth; it’s about our GM stating that “he likes the pieces that we have in place” when those pieces failed so miserably this past season, holding his cards close to the vest rather than, at the very least, letting the fans see some semblance of urgency and giving the players and Freddi some accountability for what happened. I’m fine with Wren being responsible and trying to get the best deals possible with what Liberty Media gives him to work with; my issue is that so far he just doesn’t seem to get the fact that fans are ticked off, and his public statements and hesitance to enter the fray for ANY difference-makers reflect that.
December 8th, 20112:04 pm
Hey fan in tampa and a few of the others that said uggla is horrible in defense.. we don’t want you to let the facts and the numbers to get in the way of your complaining.. Uggla did commit 15 errors which he tied Weeks for.. but he was 4th in total chances, 5th in put outs, and 8th in range factor.. So he was in the top 4 in total chances and was ranked 8th in range factor. Gold Glove no,, but he wasn’t the awful brick hand sloth that you try to portray him as either. Oh yeah.. and after having a tough first half, he worked his butt off and put up strong power numbers. I think its quite easy to say, his avg will get back close to his lifetime avg.. But like I said.. we don’t want facts to get in the way of your spewing. And Prado has been injury prone.. really? 1 yr makes him injury prone?
Roy Jones Jr.
December 8th, 20112:27 pm
Trade Frank Wren………
December 8th, 20112:33 pm
ohio keep believing that crap
December 8th, 20112:34 pm
December 8th, 20112:46 pm
You fans don’t know what your talking about and all you do is bust my chops. I am doing my best to build you a superior team here in Atlanta just like i did with the Marlins. So give me a little slack and just look at my resume it’s almost as perfect as my hair.
December 8th, 20112:50 pm
The braves look pretty good in 2011 and should be able to go forward in 2012. Braves had a lot of injuries last season and the team was very young and inexperienced. They have just a few pieces of the puzzle to go to be a dominant contender
December 8th, 20112:55 pm
As I remember correctly fw said he was going to meet the needs aggressively right after the colosso september colapse & no one really is protected if the offers are right. I understand if the offers hadn’t been up to par but when the whole city (fan base)was embarrased, I was gettin’ fired up when frank had a little fire in his belly,(then must’ve been indigestion, but I thought our GM was gonna become an aggressor in making some legit deals to make us stronger(One big Thumper in left)to solidify a more potent lineup(ala Carlos Quinten, or michael cuddyer). How did we fair against our div.rivals this past season? anybody know the numbers? everybody else other than the mets made deals to make their rosters, their lineups stronger, yet we still bargain shoppin’ at the dollar store hope’n to find cheap value. Yeah the brass is shaking it up now. Yeah I laughed & loved it when the all world teams lost out in the first round, but dang it, they still year after year go into the off seasons & meetings & stay aggressive to win. I & everyone else here(or most) are tired of the dollar(.98cent value) while everyone else knows how to bargain & remain a threat in the div.for a championship. I want our team & city to have some of that pie instead of crumbs that might fall our way. I don’t know, but does the Braves brass know either? (yes, push for an andre either) anything to get us a level stronger & higher. We’ve been a middle of the road joke for a while it’s time to ebb up & run past the bulls & be the main thumper bull! HEAR THE FAN BASE MAJORITY roar FW, Were sick of the kool-aid, we want some real PUNCH! DELIVER THIS to the main BRASS will ya DOB? thanks DOB, ur ACES in my book man, cause’ I gotta feelin’ u understand where were commin’ from.
2 hot scott
December 8th, 20112:59 pm
Guys, please stop the nonsense. Didn’t you read DOB’s article at all, the Braves are not looking for starters at SS and/or LF, they are looking for backups at these positions, in other words, another Omar Infante and another Matt Diaz. Please get off the B.J. Upton, Hanley Rameriz, Jimmy Rollins crap. Wren has stated that Pastornicky is going to Spring Training as the starter unless someone falls in their lap. Prado isn’t going anywhere because he can start in LF and backup Chipper on his off-days or if he gets hurt. To me jack Wilson fills the bill as the backup shortstop/utility infielder, and yes, give him a 2 year deal, then that situation is taken care of. Talk to Ryan Ludwick’s agent to see if they are asking too much for a part-time outfielder with some pop who could play either LF or RF, and a little 1B, if needed. Also, the non-tender date is next Monday, December 12th, and alot of players can be had at a cheaper price after that. I wish MLB wold move the non-tender date to late November, then the clubs would know all the player that are available.
December 8th, 20113:05 pm
Bryan Burwell of the St. Louis Post is whinning about how the Cards treated Pujols. What an idiot!
And actually i applaud them for letting him go. They gave a 32 year old first baseman that has NO speed with a bum knee an offer of 200-220 mil and he turned it down. So now its the Angels problem.
NOBODY is worth that much money, not one person. Its a team sport and you dont need guys like that on your team. So the issue you are going to have now is this: Suppose Pujols goes there and puts up 280/30/111 and Trumbo or Wells puts 325/45/130 then what are those guys to think?
Might be some rumbling in the clubhouse ya think? All in all, great move by the cards, they can now use that money to grab 3 or 4 players. And im thinking thats what they do now to soften the blow and get some good public relations going. They have to since La Russa and now Pujols is gone. They will be back.
hey as a life long Braves fan, i just don’t have any faith in what they are doing. Lets get rid of the young good talent and hope we still have the magic of 15 plus years ago. i know its not a sure championship if you spend a lot of money but damn lets try for once. We need someone in the lineup or pitcher to bring some excitement to the club.
December 8th, 20113:07 pm
@2 hot scott amen
December 8th, 20113:11 pm
Don’t really care how we just fell short… bottom line… WE DID NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. Classic braves mentality kept Lowe in the rotation. I understand that he was a veteran and all, but when your pitching is based off of movement and your pitches don’t move like they used to… that’s called batting practice. And now we are sitting “waiting for the right deal.” I’m fine with that, but we need to be ready to let the kids pitch if that’s our plan. We have been holding them back like collectible toys and we’re too afraid to take them out of the box. Let them all pitch, they can learn from huddy/other vets, and at the same time have each other for back-up. I woulda been fine watching teheran/minor/delgado taking losses at the end rather than lowe. If what I’m saying is “20/20 hindsight”, then what is it called allowing a pitcher with 8.75 era (in the month of September) doing on the mound during crunch time? Get a legit bat and let the kids pitch.
December 8th, 20113:14 pm
If what I’m saying is “20/20 hindsight”, then what is it called allowing a pitcher with 8.75 era (in the month of September) on the mound during crunch time?*
December 8th, 20113:15 pm
Wilson 2yr contract..are u crazy?
Ludwick’s..couldn’t hit my sister in the azz with a truck!
We read the Best by DOB..we get what he said..thats one reason we mad at Wren (Braves)for doing nothing to improve this team..a back up SS and a sub LF’er is not improvement..it sucks.
IF….they all hit 300…if they don’t get hurt…if no other teams improve…if the pitchers come through…if a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his azz…..
December 8th, 20113:39 pm
I will say again, if Chipper Jones is still playing on this team this year the results will be the same as last. I’m really tired of him trying to force his will on the players and team to be laid back and not be individuals with passion. Take your lumps, trade him to the Yankees, Boston to play there for one year or eat his salary and bring a hungry young player to take his place.
December 8th, 20113:57 pm
Re: the Pujols/Angels deal: After years of love, support and adulation from Redbird fans, Albert dumps all over St. Louis for even more green. The Angels are nuts to pay such an obscene amount. This is an example of why so many fans are disillusioned and cynical about pro sports. Some day it will all come crashing down. It is simply not sustainable.
December 8th, 20114:01 pm
someone asked if Diaz is under contract for next year…Yes, nobody wanted him..no even Pirates.
December 8th, 20114:07 pm
The Braves did not even get a “backup SS”. I can understand them not moving JJ until later and therefore not getting OF help but they did not even get a backup SS (not exactly the hardest position to fill).
Hard to be excited.
December 8th, 20114:15 pm
Albert dumps all over Redbirds fans? for $40 million more you would too. He’s not crazy..the owners are. Cards should have signed him last year but didn’t.. Lesson to be learned…He who hesitates is loss.
December 8th, 20114:17 pm
Dap01..u are so right..nothing about this team to excite.
December 8th, 20114:19 pm
ALEX signs with Brewers..good luck!
Voice of Reason
December 8th, 20114:21 pm
Cuddyer for 3 years at $27-30 – I understand he is balking, or at least thinking more deeply about, at a 3-yr, $25 million offer from both Twins and Rockies. A right-handed bat who plays both corner outfields and first base – gives us some versatility plus 20-25 homers. Good protection in the lineup and, I understand, a positive presence in the clubhouse. DOB, any rumors that FW might be talking to his agent?
December 8th, 20114:40 pm
Marlins handled the Braves pretty easily last year without all the moves they made, no reason to believe they won’t do it again. The Braves are a 80-90 win team tops, and will not make the playoffs again. Why does a team even exist when they can’t afford to make moves? Are they here just to fill a spot so other teams have someone to play?
December 8th, 20114:45 pm
Never gonna happen with Cuddyer, but he would be a nice fit
December 8th, 20114:53 pm
hows rollins going to give u 120 runs when he is hurt almost as much as reyes?
December 8th, 20115:00 pm
Meeting over .. Wren caught only one Fish…what a joke!
December 8th, 20115:16 pm
“And I know that it’s hard sometimes for fans sometimes to see it the way we see it, but I think if you take a close look at our team position by position on the field, you come away [realizing] we match up very well with other teams.
“And I think what we have, starting pitching wise and bullpen wise, is a depth that very few other teams have.”
- Frank Wren
The above statements tell you all you need to know about Wren and any urgency to make the Braves any better. He’s satisfied with the wrong “C” word-competing, instead of the right “C” word-championships. It’s sad to see the Braves seemingly giving in to being just good enough to hang around in hopes for a Wild Card spot. We as fans may not see whatever you see Mr. Wren, but we can verify what we do see and have seen and that is a disappointing team and General Manager.
December 8th, 20115:24 pm
Let mr. Wren see the attendence in 12. Then just maybe Mr. John will smell the roses, send Wren and Freddie packing.
December 8th, 20118:05 pm
estoy esperando algun movimiento si no hasen ninguno son inconpetentes por q siempre hay q mejorar y este equipo le hase falta algunos puntos para poder salir campeones hasi q si no logran alguno yo empesaria FIRE a wren
Braves Fan Since 1966
December 8th, 20118:14 pm
I think Wren is right. We have a good team…one that’s above average but certainly not a top tier team. Maybe if the number of playoff spots increases, we can get one of the cheap spots with 85 – 88 wins. Problem is that this team has a DNA problem at its core and it was demonstrated in September. In addition, we don’t have the hitting power or on-base percentage to compete against good pitching. Wren and Liberty Media are satisfied being “also rans” and hoping for enough promotions to get enough attendance to break even.
December 8th, 20119:54 pm
Liberty Media has the right to sell the team after the current CBA expires on December 11th. Does anyone have Devine Intervention’s phone number?
December 8th, 201110:47 pm
Fielder 1b, Hayward and Freeman on the corners, Escobar 2b, Andrus SS (until 2013 when Chipper retires) Chipper 3B, McCann C, Borne CF would have been a pretty good team. Escobar cannot go free agent until 2014, Andrus 2015, Borne 2013 with Hayward 2016 and Freeman 2017. That which would have been a pretty cost effective team. You could move Escobar to 3b in 2013 when Chipper’s contract is up and go out and find a 2nd baseman in 2013. That would have been a very young team with the only significant $’s being paid to Fielder if you chose to sign him and move Freeman to the outfield. We have nothing to show for Andrus and Feliz and not much as of yet for Escobar. I hear the SS in the minors can hit ( came in the Escobar deal) but again that is in the minors. All these guys are proven ML players. If Blowby Cox after 23+years as a ML manager would have learned how to speak Spanish… Escobar, Andrus, Feliz and others might still be here. BTW Freddy Gonzalez is not the solution either. Looking at the site below only makes me realize what a real shortstop looks like… trust me it’s not Gonzalez who we got in the Escobar trade.
BRAVES # ONE FAN
December 8th, 201111:27 pm
Package JJ and Prado and lets find a RIGHT handed power hitter. We have one of the top if not the top pitching staff, but we can’t score. How many ball games did we lose last year 2-1 and 3-2?? If Hayward gets his act together,and Uggla hits the first half of the season the way he hit the second half. Freddie Freeman should have a monster season. The Marlins may have just the power hitter we are looking for,but he is a shortstop. From what I’m reading he is not happy about playing third base. Hanley would look good in a Braves uniform. With Bourne hitting leadoff and Hanley hitting in the 2 or 3 hole look at the speed at the top of the line up. I like Cody Ross but this would be a fantastic upgrade.
December 9th, 201112:27 am
DOB, Wren wasn’t caught up in ANYTHING at the Winter Meetings here in Dallas.
December 9th, 20112:09 am
wren says “he thinks” we have a good team and we match up good with others hmmmm… well i think thats a bunch of bull you cant rely on thinkin you have to know, and you have to have a team better than just good or youre not gonna get anywhere 90 percent of the time. you only have a couple power bats as of now and you have a couple sp that can win dependin on how this “good” team will hit that day. so while everyone is beefin up there clubs we will be relying on rookies and the rule five draft system. way to go!
December 9th, 20118:32 am
The braves were pathetic when trying to score a runner from third with no outs.The last thing the braves need is a home run coach [ THEY NEED A CONTACT HITTER COACH ] The braves pitchers have broken down six years in a row. The braves have a very good team, what they need is a good coaching staff !!!
December 9th, 20112:30 pm
Sure the Braves have a good nucleus of players but they can’t hit and Mr. Wrenn is fooling his self if he thinks they are going to do better next year. That’s the problem for a long time with the team and if they think that’s going to get better hanging on to the same old players get ready for the same old dissapointment next year.
December 9th, 20112:32 pm
Go ahead and retire Larry.
December 9th, 20114:10 pm
I would have to say its the batboys fault the braves strike out with runners on third.He needs to stockup on some bats that don’t have holes in them!!!
December 9th, 20116:57 pm
I have to agree with Columbus. I have a feeling the Marlins will eventually regret their long term deals, especially with Beurle and Reyes. I’ll use the Braves and Lowe, Hampton, Mclouth and Kawakami as an example. How about the Dodgers and Andruw Jones, the Mets and Jason Bay, the White Sox and Dunn, the Red Sox and Carl Crawford, and the Nats and Werth to name a few others. I like the Heath Bell deal but is Reyes gonna hit over .300 and stay healthy every season? Beurle reminds me of the incredibly stupid deal we gave Lowe. Those huge salaries and long contracts are tough to dump on someone if they don’t work out. Wren was lucky to save $5,000,000 on Lowe. If you take away the Prado and Heyward “slump”, some unlucky injuries, and even Uggla’s 1st half slump you are left with a potentially dangerous lineup. Even Mac wasn’t the same after coming off the DL last season. I would be more concerned about the rookie starting at short and keeping Chipper and the rotation healthy than the “power” bat. Prado is a great utility man and they need him for backup. One semi bad season doesn’t mean he sucks any more than one good postseason makes Cody Ross great. The Braves need someone who can get on base and drive in runs. I would prefer a guy who bats .300 and drives in a ton of runs rather than a guys who hits 20-25 homers but only hits .245 and drives in 60-65. The Braves sucked horribly with RISP last season and all the blown opportunities were heartbreaking. Let’s find someone who can bring those runners in and not strike out or ground into a double play with runners on the corners and 1 out! I hope the Braves use the little bit of $ they have wisley and don’t make any bad trades in the process.
December 10th, 201110:16 am
Wren is like the kid standing on the side walk looking in the glass window at a candy store wishing he had something in his pockets beside lint, The Braves will never win a tittle as long as Liberty Media owns them.
Brave New World
December 10th, 20111:33 pm
Braves will win 90+ games in 2012 with some minor tweaking.
December 10th, 201110:57 pm
Braves win 82 games and miss WC in 2012 as is. Offense is too streaky and INF defense will stink with Pastornicky.
Wren and FG fired under new mgt by Jan 2013.
December 10th, 201111:57 pm
so glad to see we’re not in a hurry about anything….wow for a minute I thought that was a bad dream…oops no, it’s more of Frank Wren’s absolute genius that he has shown ….without a doubt the WORSE general manager the Braves have ever had and that goes back to the paper bag days of the 70s, at least then Ted T would spend like hell to make us better…Ridiculous comments by a general manager….he needs to go
December 11th, 20111:54 am
as I say goodbye to this franchise, the owners of the fans scoff and laugh in our face, exhorts others to do the same and not attending games. when I see this team is sold and then will buy an owner, but do not let any gm or president we see the face of a..holes, if not more and not go back because it hurts you know, being a fan for 20 years. goodbye to the brave and become only when you see winning big movements.
Around The Horn
December 11th, 20115:42 pm
An NL GM on J.D. Drew: “I know he had a wasted year, but he can still hit, he can still defend, and for a National League team, he’d be a heck of a bat off the bench. If he wants that role. He could easily be a starter somewhere. He’s not that old, and sometimes that fresh start energizes a player.”
December 12th, 20111:24 pm
we went through September as if we didn’t have a clue as to do what it takes to keep a 10 game lead on the Cardinals, we self destruct an it is our fault we suck big time and yes while other teams are making moves so should we, I hate our owner where is Ted Turner or Arthor Blake when you need them, this is so bs
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