Wren not caught up in buzz at Winter Meetings

DALLAS – With the Marlins making headline trades and other NL East foes doing deals, Braves general manager Frank Wren was asked if he missed being in the buzzy center of activity at the Winter Meetings.

A few years ago, he was a high roller at the Winter Meetings in Las Vegas, courting big-ticket free agent pitchers such as A.J. Burnett before  signing Derek Lowe.

Which was more fun,  that situation or this year’s?

“We prefer to have the players we have,” Wren said. “We have a good club. I keep going back to this, and I’ll stand by this: On Aug. 26 we had the fourth-best record in all of baseball. So our team didn’t get bad in 30 days.

“Our team went through a bad streak for 30 days, but we have a good team.”

The Braves went 10-20 down the stretch and blew an 8-1/2-game wild card lead after Sept. 5, missing the postseason after a loss to the Phillies on the season’s final night.

The Braves are trying to acquire a backup shortstop and an affordable outfielder. One possibility for the latter spot: Cody Ross, who became available Wednesday when the San Francisco Giants announced they would not re-sign the free agent, who can play all outfield positions and has played for Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez.

Ross was the 2010 NLCS Most Valuable Player for the Giants, who won the World Series that year after starting their postseason run with a division series win against the Braves. Ross, 30, hit .240 with a .325 OBP in 2011 and had 25 doubles and 14 homers in 121 games (461 plate appearances) for the Giants.

He had 46 homers and 163 RBIs during the 2008-2009 seasons for Gonzalez’s Marlins, where he was a teammate of current Braves second baseman Dan Uggla.

“It would be great to reunite with Fredi and (bench coach) Carlos (Tosca) and Uggla,” Ross said. “I think they have a really good team.” 

For the first three days of this year’s meetings in Dallas, the Braves have been quiet. Crowds of reporters gather around Marlins officials who are spending lavishly and trying to buy a contender for the first year in the ballpark they’re moving into.

“I think the urge is to do something big just to do something big when you see other people doing things,” Wren said, “and I think we’ve got to guard against that. Stay on our mission to get better. There’s a lot of different ways you can improve your club, so we’ve been attacking it from all different angles.”

The meetings end Thursday and the Braves might leave without making any deals.  Wren pointed out that deals were often made after the meetings and into January.

“I think the longer you’re in the game, you tend to take a longer look at things rather than a short-term look,” he said. “And I know that it’s hard sometimes for fans sometimes to see it the way we see it, but I think if you take a close look at our team position by position on the field, you  come away [realizing] we match up very well with other teams.

“And I think what we have, starting pitching wise and bullpen wise, is a depth that very few other teams have.”

226 comments Add your comment

Martin From Oakland, CA

December 7th, 2011
9:47 pm

FIRST! GET SWISHeR!!!!

Vito

December 7th, 2011
9:55 pm

we need B.J. Upton speed n power n if we resign he can play center

Brava

December 7th, 2011
9:58 pm

We could do worse than Cody Ross and the fact that he’s worked for Fredi before and likely wouldn’t cost a lot is a plus. I think he could help improve the team, especially if we can keep Prado and JJ.

AdirondackDave

December 7th, 2011
9:58 pm

Cody Ross could be a useful addition. Wouldn’t mind seeing him in a Braves uni although I was hoping FW would pull a rabbit out of his hat and trade for a significant power hitter.

Around The Horn

December 7th, 2011
10:01 pm

PROUD OF FRANK

We’re proud of you Frank for comments like this:

“I think the urge is to do something big just to do something big when you see other people doing things,” Wren said, “and I think we’ve got to guard against that. Stay on our mission to get better. There’s a lot of different ways you can improve your club, so we’ve been attacking it from all different angles.” — End quote.

Thanks Frank for not taking a “hurried, rush into things” approach.

Just please don’t trade Prado; he’ll return to form in 2012, after getting fully well from his nagging injuries.

And thanks again for taking a more patient approach — and for not trading away fan favorites!

Chop Chop

December 7th, 2011
10:14 pm

Wren’s an arrogant SOB. He might want to start winning some titles to back up that swagger.

afan

December 7th, 2011
10:32 pm

Good luck on Wren selling that BS to fans next season!

Jaywould Heyblowme

December 7th, 2011
10:38 pm

Fans not caught up in prospect of another lame season.

Simpson's Homer

December 7th, 2011
10:38 pm

It’s 10:38 PM, and nobody has asked if Prado could be moved to SS yet!!! Life is improving!

rainman34

December 7th, 2011
10:41 pm

How in the world is Ross an upgrade over prado. To me that makes no sense at all. Beltan will cost much more but we cleared 5 mil with the lowe trade so we do have some money to spend. With Pat at short we have no other big holes to fill. Beltan will not get more than 10 to 12 mill max. Next year we will have a ton of pay roll going off the books and still not a lot of holes to fill even less if we keep prado for third.

Undocorkscrew

December 7th, 2011
10:46 pm

The comments on this blog are beyond depressing….:(

@Rainman…..who’s saying Ross is an upgrade over Prado? Assuming the Braves sign Ross, he’d likely just platoon with Prado in LF, which allows Prado to go back into a semi-utility role.

boonda

December 7th, 2011
10:58 pm

“The Braves are trying to find a backup shortstop and an affordable outfielder.” Can you just feel the excitement. Not exactly what you would call “Hot Stove”. The Braves stove isn’t hot. It ain’t even mildly warm. I think that Prado will do well next year. He is a better option full time than a Smith Diaz Platoon. But, JJ should be moved. We didn’t splash big in the regular system because we wanted to hold onto prospects and then we missed the postseason. It’s time those pitching prospects earn their keep.

rainman34

December 7th, 2011
11:00 pm

Both hit right handed so i dont think they will be platooning…. The only thing about Ross is the fact that he can play some center. Chipper hopefully will play 120 games so that does not leave that much time for ross if prado stays. Ugla and freeman are going to play everyday so no time there and lets hope heyward is back and plays everyday as well.

ray

December 7th, 2011
11:14 pm

Wren has all the lines. was he ever a car salesman ?
Willingham is too expensive also.
maybe if they drafted some OFs they would have some in the system. they stockpile pitchers and can’t get a decent return for a Jurgens ? he is gone aftre 2013 as sure as there will be baseball so send him packing now before he blows out his knee altogether.
Ross might help a bit. at this point anyne who can hit .250, hit 15 hrs, and play OF might help.
thank god the meetings end tomorrow

I’m sure the Braves will have some transactions though-when they lose guys in the rule 5 draft Thurs ! they are good at that.

jharber

December 7th, 2011
11:18 pm

for all of wrens bs, lets run him for president

Mr. Enigma

December 7th, 2011
11:19 pm

“DALLAS – With the Marlins making headline trades and”–

What trades have they made? Heath Bell, Jose Reyes, and Mark Buerhle are all free agent signings. The only trade they’ve made is acquiring Wade LeBlanc from the Padres for John Baker. Hardly a headline trade.

intellibird

December 7th, 2011
11:20 pm

The Marlins are gonna crash and burn! Can’t wait for Spring.

Hittahomer

December 7th, 2011
11:32 pm

DOB – All the conversation about the Braves in the trade market seem to focus on a power hitting right handed bat. Can you elaborate why this is? There were only seven teams in 2011 that had more HR’s than Atlanta, but the Braves ranked 22nd in RBI’s. That to me reads that we need better situational hitting. Especially since Atlanta went almost 2 months without a sacrifice fly last season. I’m hopeful that the “acquisition” of Greg Walker will remedy our alleged need for a RH power bat. Trading Prado seems foolish to me, especially since he can fill in for Hoss during the season. Sure our OF lacked power, but the Braves make up for it in positions where you usually don’t see it (C/2B). Freeman will be a 20-30 HR guy as well. The Braves just need to stop striking out and pounding the ball in the dirt with runners are on base. I still think Prado can rebound as an effective situational hitter, so would the return on him in a trade be that big of a difference maker?

Larry

December 7th, 2011
11:36 pm

The most important thing DOB said is “Braves are looking for an AFFORDABLE outfielder”. That’s all they seem to care about – the hell with good, let’s go affordable. What a shame.

MitchC

December 7th, 2011
11:43 pm

Dave, what gets me the most is how the media seems so “ho hum” about the Braves collapse. It;s almost as if you guys are endorsing Wren’s “I dont care” attitude, by standing pat.

What we really need, is to see guys like you and Mark Bradley, write some negative articles about the situation in regard to Wren and the Braves.

Let’s see? Philly is bringing back the same team that has won five straight division titles. The Marlins have improved, even without signing Albert, and Wren standing pat is acceptable? Um..

Bottom line: I dont think Wren plans on doing anything. I think he believes in his delusional mind that this team is fine. Let;s see how “fine” he thinks they are, if they finish in.. third place next season, and he is shown the door, alongside maybe his buddy Fredi G.

Columbus

December 7th, 2011
11:54 pm

Great approach Frank. We dont have Philly or Yankee money. We do have a good team if the pitching stays healthy and Heyward comes around and I know he will this year in a BIG way. Do NOT trade JJ. If he hadnt gotten hurt he might have been the Cy young winner and he is young, just like Hanson. Lets save money to RESIGN them along with Bourn. I liked Constanza in the lineup. We scored a lot more runs with him then without him. He could be the other outfielder along with Hinske and Ross. We need to save to resign McCann too. Owners better open their wallets after we make the playoffs this year.

BTW, Marlins are a joke. They think Albert would come there? LOL. Reminds me of them buying a world series in what 1999 or 2000 and then dismantling the team immediately? These owners are cheaper than Wayne was. They think Pujols is coming? LOL. Dream on! They lucky they got Reyes! Hey they should try Manny instead! They got Ozzie and I like his fire but….Braves are going to own them in 2012 and I dont care who they sign if the pitching is mostly healthy.

farmer

December 7th, 2011
11:57 pm

I absolutely hate and despise Frank Wren

Columbus

December 8th, 2011
12:03 am

The Braves stove does NOT need to be hot dufus. The team is intact for the most part. If not for pitching injuries and Heyward’s sophomore slump, the Braves could have won it all last year with the addition of Bourne. How many players you want the Braves to make? Half the team Einstein? How old are you? How much money you think they have to spend? They are not the Phils and Yanks and have some young guys to resign soon(McCann, Jair, Bourne, Hanson,and more in bullpen). The team is basically set and when Heyward comes back and has a great year and he will and Prado has a better year and he will, the lineup is STACKED pretty good and the pitching will be awesome again. Braves need to score some more runs and if Heyward and Prado pick it up, there you go! You can go resign some big name like Reyes and he gets hurt or sucks but our guys are a better bet unless you go after Pujols which is unrealistic for any team except the top 6 in payroll basically. We simply do not NEED to make many moves. The team is still coming together and I expect it to come together in a BIG way this year, especially after the bad taste Septamber left in their mouth and with them being healthym they can compete and beat anyone. If you know anything about baseball, you know this is true, especially with Prado and Heyward having much better years at the plate and Bourne and an awesome pitching staff…..and thats the way it is….

we want mark cuban

December 8th, 2011
1:40 am

1) I think someone should start a website petitioning Mark Cuban buy the Braves… Maybe with enough signatures, he’ll change his mind

2) I think realistic scenario 3 team trade: braves get will myers, drew stubbs/jay Bruce; kc get yonder alonso, prado; reds get jurrjens and royals pitching prospect not named Montgomery

Ozzie

December 8th, 2011
2:17 am

Wren has been a GM twice and won nothing twice. His comments about being around for long time apply JS not him.

He has been in someone’s shadow for a long time and his short time as the big boss has been underwhelming.

Bottom line they are all lying. JS said they were embarrassed about the collapse and would do everything in their power to make the team better. He said it in writing and it was all pillow talk.

JS and Wren make quite the politician pair. Say lots of stuff, do very little.

Just be honest “we are f-ing broke, Liberty couldn’t care less, we cannot do anything but hope some team makes a crazy azzzz trade with us over the winter and we will take all the credit for it”

Apparently they are powerless.

DawgDad

December 8th, 2011
2:23 am

“So our team didn’t get bad in 30 days.”

Well, as a paying customer with a set of useless playoff tickets lets just say the team I saw in September DID get bad in 30 days and it has a LOT to prove. Record at the end of August means NOTHING.

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Sign Cody Ross

December 8th, 2011
2:47 am

Cody Ross will be a great addition to the club. Given Chipper’s health issue, we need the third guy who can share 3B/LF positions with Chipper and Prado. I think Cody will be a perfect fit.

One of the biggest problem in our lineup is we cannot hit at all against lefties. That’s not only because we have quite a few lefties in the lineup but also because out right-handed guys don’t take advantage of lefty pitchers.
Prado’s career batting splits are funny-looking. His career vs RHP / vs LHP is .303/.273.
Meanwhile Ross’s career numbers against lefties are really impressive: .282/.349/.563. In fact he’s just a .253/.313/.414 hitter against right-handers.

I’m saying Prado and Ross can be excellent platoon partners in LF. Plus, Prado will often be busy covering 3B instead of Chipper. Also Ross can sometimes protect Heyward from lefties playing RF.

As the Marlins signed Buehrle yesterday, we need a RH batter who can smash lefties even more than we did next year.

Nova Scotia Steve

December 8th, 2011
2:57 am

Chuckled a few times reading the comments. Good stuff folks.

bobbyc

December 8th, 2011
4:25 am

OK here something to rock the Braves, The Braves send Hicks Marcus Lemond Beachy Prado to Miami for Hanley Ramirez Bret Hayes and Bonifacio, Then send H.R to the Mets for Niese Bay and Tejada then 2012 line up looks like this

Bourne
Heyward
Chipper
McCann
Uggla
Bay
Pastornicky

Mike Brown

December 8th, 2011
5:15 am

Listen Braves, you have won nothing. Stop walking around like you are the yakees. You have been fooling people for years, you don’t have the money to siqn anybody and you manager sucks!!! And your GM need’s make some tough decision like Telling chipper Jones to Retire. His salary could have help to siqning other free-agents. So braves nation get your head out of the clouds the free- market is not Goodwin, were you can get a didcount, you have to spend some money if you want a good team!!!!!!!!. Mr Frank Wren you are not Listen to the people, If you win the people will come.

STRETCH

December 8th, 2011
6:45 am

“Our team went through a bad streak for 30 days, but we have a good team.”

Wow, a “bad streak?” How man runs per game did they average last season???? It was the pitching that kept them in 90 percent of their games!!!

bozz

December 8th, 2011
6:45 am

I’ve never read so many idiotic comments in my life. We’re NOT getting BJ Upton, we’re NOT getting Adam Jones, we’re NOT getting Nick Swisher, we’re NOT getting Hanley Ramirez, you dolts. Why the eff would we want to trade our best young talent for an uptight diva, especially within our own division?!

The Marlins are, and still will be, a 3rd place team, followed by the Nationals, followed by the Mets. With the age and injuries of the Phillies first place is most definitely not out of the reach of the Braves.

For those idiots saying that the Braves will win 90 games and finish 3rd just shows how little they know about baseball, how can our division have three 90+ game winners?

Mark Cuban isn’t going to come waltzing in here and blowing obscene amounts of cash like that idiot in Miami, nor should he. We don’t need to spend every penny we have on aging talent like Buehrle, our team is solid and, barring another collapse (which is possible, not probable), should make it into the playoffs without a problem. All we need is a veteran shortstop and maybe another bench outfielder, that’s it.

Get a grip on reality, some of you.

Bob the Blogger

December 8th, 2011
7:21 am

One thing the Braves need is someone who can close games when Kimbrell isn’t available. Last year the Braves were 1 for 14 in save situations where Kimbrell or Venters did not close. If they had closed one third of those games, the Braves would have waltzed into the playoffs. A good fit would be a former closer who has “been there” who may not be in the prime, but can close a few games here and there and help the young relief pitchers.

J-MAN

December 8th, 2011
7:43 am

Wilson Betimit seems like a good fit for what we need

The Real Brave

December 8th, 2011
8:11 am

Does anyone really think Wren will pull off a deal that will get us a SS or corner outfielder?
No!

Mike S

December 8th, 2011
8:19 am

Some of the ignorance on this thread is mind-boggling.

Getting Cody Ross would be a good move for the Braves. He is a good player, cheap, and a good clubhouse guy.

He would free Prado up for the 30-50 games Prado will be needed at 3B, and can give Bourn and Heyward days off throughout the season. Ross would get 50-60 starts and be available off the bench with Hinske.

While I would not be upset over a big name bat in LF, I think Prado will rebound and be an above average option for the position. We definately need Heyward to rebound if we don’t get a big bat, but I also think that will happen – J-Hey is just too talented to struggle like he did this past season for long.

The big picture though is 2013 — at that point we do need to make a major upgrade at LF and make Prado the everyday 3B when Chipper retires.

BravesFanSince1982

December 8th, 2011
8:24 am

I guessing we sign Punto or Cedeno as a backup SS and stand pat

Opening Day Roster

CF Bourn
LF Prado
3B Chipper
2B Uggla
C McCann
1B Freeman
RF Heyward
SS Pastornicky

C Ross
IF Cedeno/Punto
1B/OF Hinske
OF Diaz
OF Constanza

SP Hudson
SP Hanson
SP Jurrjens
SP Beachy
SP Delgado

LR Martinez
MR O’Flaherty
MR Medlen
MR Varvaro
SU Vizcaino
SU Venters
CL Kimbrel

Not a terrible roster, but certainly not a 90+ win one

J-MAN

December 8th, 2011
8:27 am

Ive been saying that this team needs another “Billy Wagner” type of experienced and leader for the Bull-Pen

TeheranTime

December 8th, 2011
8:31 am

ZZZZZZZZZ. ZZZZZZZZZ. ZZZZZZZZZ. Atlanta’s front office this winter. The sad thing is that they forgot that they collapsed and didn’t make the playoffs.

Diamondhead Baseball Fan

December 8th, 2011
8:35 am

Why not resign Andruw. He hit 13 home runs in less than 200 at bats for the Yankees. He is right handed, can play the corner outfield and would not cost much to sign.

extremus

December 8th, 2011
8:56 am

Missing from the Freddi Gonzalez Q & A:

“Do you think the Braves can win the NL East next season?”

Freddi: “Why, coitenly! Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk!”

Joey

December 8th, 2011
8:57 am

Hell yeah, get Cody Ross.

He would be an adnormalty in Atlanta professional sports, though.

An athlete who actually plays better in the playoffs . . .

Fan In Tampa

December 8th, 2011
8:59 am

We have problems. An earlier post listed the potential opening day roster without much change and stated that it’s not a bad roster. I believe we over-value our players. Look at this objectively by position.

C, 1B, CF – we are decent to pretty good in each.
2B – one dimensional, poor defense. Except for about 1 month when he was hot, did very little to help over the long haul.
SS – really bad last year, counting on an unproven rookie this year.
3B – aging star who is a shell of his former self and will only get worse and miss more time due to various ailments.
RF – a bigger bust than Frenchy. No evidence to convince me he will ever be an impact player. Baseball history is littered with “can’t miss” guys that missed big-time.
LF – another injury prone guy that plays with plenty of heart but is not much more than a platoon player.
SP – One solid, aging starter who can probably be counted on, but would be no better than #3 on a good staff. 2 young guys (Hanson and Jurjens) , with 6 years combined expereince, but not 1 complete injury-free season between them. No reason to think that will change. 4 and 5 starters will be unproven whoever ends up in those spots.
RP – The back end of the bullpen is good, but will be overused and worn out again late in the year because the starters can’t go long enough and the front end is bad.
Bench – other than Ross and Hinke, not much there.

Looks like a .500, 3rd or 4th place team to me. Sure, the opening day roster may look good on paper, Mr Wren, but the best indicator of the future is the past. Sadly, a bunch of no power, low average, low OBP hitters and an injury prone pitching staff is what we have.

DogTheMan

December 8th, 2011
9:17 am

Same old.. Same Old.. I can’t wait till we sign another 38 year old journeyman and say its our starting CF… And then sign a light hitting position player and say he will add needed power to out line up.. Yeah… Liberty please sell the team so we can fire the whole front office and Freddi…

charles

December 8th, 2011
9:18 am

sign ross use sutton as backup and everone quit complaining.

STRETCH

December 8th, 2011
9:21 am

BravesFanSince1982

They will once again have to depend on that pitching staff to carry them, thats for sure. With basically the same team they might be right at the brink of 90 wins.

Chipper IS NOT going to give them 120 games.

Heyward has been figured out by opposing pitchers.

Freeman MIGHT have the so-called sophmore slump.

PRADO IS NOT A LEFT FIELDER.

After Bourn, they are still a station to station team when it comes to offense.

But, in spite of all this, im confident Wren will make a move.

No to Cody Ross

December 8th, 2011
9:21 am

Cody Ross needs a good beaning by the Braves for that exaggerated skip he had against the Braves late in the season.

Platooning Is Dumb

December 8th, 2011
9:26 am

Mr. Wren, nobody is complaining about the starting pitching or bullpen. We can agree with you there. But we cannot agree that the offense matches up well with other teams. Compare Alex Gonzalez at SS,Prado in LF,and Heyward in RF. Compare their numbers to the averages in MLB. All three are awful. Yeah, Gonzalez is gone. But what makes you think that an off-season will fix Prado’s & Heyward’s ability to hit ? Are both playing winter ball ?

Loyal Fan

December 8th, 2011
9:27 am

Fan in Tampa, stay in Tampa. I don’t know what you watched last year. We have arguably the best catcher in all of baseball, and even David Ross, our backup catcher could start anywhere else. Uggla actually has pretty good defense and has always been known to start off slow. I would go on, but its hard to explain something to someone who either doesn’t watch the games or does and is just a big tard. I am excited about the year upon us. We have some young pitching that I can’t wait to see. Wren will come thru and pull something creative. Wait till CJ Wilson is a done deal somewhere. Jair Jurrjens’ stock will soar and teams will be desperate to give up talent.
I am amazed how many stupid comments people post on here about who they want for the team.

Platooning Is Dumb

December 8th, 2011
9:30 am

Excellent analysis Fan In Tampa. I have no idea what team or players Frank Wren thinks he has. You stated the facts. An imbecile would realize that you have excess pitching (Jurrgens) to trade to fill the glaring hole in LF (Quentin)…

Platooning Is Dumb

December 8th, 2011
9:33 am

So we are to believe that Chipper will find the fountain of youth and stay healthy all year ? We are supposed to believe that Prado & Heyward can just start back playing and each hit .300 without any live action to correct their hitting problems ? Man, while I’m living in Braves fantasy land set me up a date tonight with Jessica Alba…

Tommy

December 8th, 2011
9:34 am

Why is everyone going nuts about the Marlins?? Ignore the buzz and look at the facts:

Reyes: fragile, and his signing ticked off Ramirez
Bell: Closers are like NFL linebackers–they’re all about the same, and its the team or situation that sets them apart. Not a big deal. Bell’s signing magically means the Marlins will have 75 save opportunities instead of 50?
Buerhle: two words: Derek Lowe

Top that off with the fact the Marlins are banking on their new stadium to cover these deals. Two world titles in seven seasons didn’t get fans to the ballpark, so what’s to think that a better sight line and a margarita bar will?

And don’t forget one important Braves signing this offseason: Greg Walker is the new hitting coach.

Platooning Is Dumb

December 8th, 2011
9:35 am

I’d take Francoeur over two Jason Heywards.

Platooning Is Dumb

December 8th, 2011
9:37 am

I think Greg Walker hit about .245 his career as a MLB player. The White Sox weren’t a top hitting MLB team over the last 5 years. The Yankees,Red Sox,Angels,Rangers,and Blue Jays were. Greg Walker ain’t gonna fix anything.

Ted

December 8th, 2011
9:38 am

Sorry, Frank – you are what your record says you are. And the Braves record said “NOT a playoff team”. Period. End of discussion.

I don’t care what the Braves’ record was in late August. The only thing that mattered was the record after the season was over. It is irrelevant that SP and an over-worked bullpen overcame a PUTRID offense for 132 games. Because injuries to the SP and the abuse of the bullpen came back to bit them and the PUTRID offense ended up costing the Braves the WC.

So, in lieu of fixing the PUTRID offense with an upgrade at LF or SS, we’re left with a rookie SS and either an “affordable” OF or Prado, who even at 2010 levels is below-average offensively (and defensively) for a LF. All the while hoping Chipper can play 120 games, Heyward’s issues are fixable (and it isn’t as if the Braves have many options at AAA if not) and McCann’s oblique won’t be an issue. Sure – sign me up for that fantasy that all of that will happen.

You have tradeable assets with value (JJ and Prado) that can get top-flight OF prospects for depth and/or in case Heyward struggles again. Clearing their salary (combined would be projected at app. $10MM) would free up room to go sign someone like Cuddyer or Willingham. And someone like Punto can handle the 40 games Chipper will miss and is cheap.

But, no. Instead we hear how you “like” this team (one that COLLAPSED like a house of cards on a windy day). We have teams in our division improving, yet you think a team that could NOT go the distance in 2011 somehow will do so in 2012. No wonder you’ve never won a playoff series as a GM. And, unfortunately, until you are replaced, I don’t feel the Braves will do so either.

Platooning Is Dumb

December 8th, 2011
9:39 am

Greg Walker had two good hitters (Paul Konerko & Carlos Quentin) just like the Braves have 2 good hitters McCann & Chipper. So he’s gonna fix Jason Heyward ? I gotta see that…

afan

December 8th, 2011
9:39 am

Fredi, in q/ans.. said our “lack of offense” last year was a problem. But Wren and Fredi said they like our line up. Same old BS. Do they believe everyone that had a bad year will rebound.. like some of our brainwashed fans?
Cody would have put us in 2 years ago but no SFG got him…now Braves fans say get him 2 years later..maybe he is cheaper now! Thats our #1 reasoning cheap!

afan

December 8th, 2011
9:43 am

I agree Platooning is Dumb …but Platoonings remarks about Walker are also dumb..stupid and without fact.. Walker is not perfect but a damn good hitting coach.

Platooning Is Dumb

December 8th, 2011
9:43 am

Exactly Ted ! Braves have pitching to trade for hitting but would rather be inept on offense and have bountiful pitching. That’s really warped thinking right there…

Platooning Is Dumb

December 8th, 2011
9:45 am

Okay. Then why couldn’t Walker fix Beckham’s hitting problems if he’s so great ?

Platooning Is Dumb

December 8th, 2011
9:46 am

I’m definitely not on the same planet Frank Wren is on. I’m thinking that Jason Heyward is (what I’ve seen) a .250 11 45 player but Wren is trying to convince everyone he will be a .300 30 100 player this year. Unbelievable…

Platooning Is Dumb

December 8th, 2011
9:51 am

Tommy, the Marlins were already a good team. Now they’ve added a top closer (Bell),leadoff & NL batting champion SS (Reyes),a top lefty starter (Buerhle) and are talking about adding the best player in MLB (Pujols). Maybe that’s why…

Fan In Tampa

December 8th, 2011
9:52 am

Loyal Fan, I’ll tell you what I watched last year. I saw a team that relied heavily on starting pitching and a stellar back-end bullpen to win. They held up well for about 130 games despite a pathetic offense. Late in the year, when the starting pitching began to fall apart due to injuries to Jurrgens and Hanson (which were predictable given their history), and continued poor performance from Lowe, the bullpen also wore down, likely due to overuse. At about the same time, our best hitter (McCann) went into a prolonged slump. We were left with the same pathetic offense, except now a slumping McCann and cold again Uggla. Everyone witnessed the results. I am a life-long fan and want them to win as much as anybody. I just don’t see it happening without some major improvements. Unfortunately for our Braves, the regular season lasts 162 games. We just don’t have the horses. My opinion. You have yours.

Platooning Is Dumb

December 8th, 2011
9:55 am

Go sign Jimmy Rollins to a 2 year deal. If Pastornicky is ready next year then trade Rollins. Rollins is an awesome player.

Platooning Is Dumb

December 8th, 2011
9:57 am

If the Braves got Jimmy Rollins SS & Carlos Quentin LF, I think they could win the NL East.

afan

December 8th, 2011
9:58 am

You can be the greatest coach in the world but…you always have some one you just can’t help. Thats not always the coach’s fault. Same with Teachers, Boss men, parents etc….ex.Frenchy,Shafer
Beckham said Walker helped ? how low would he have gone without his help?

bozz

December 8th, 2011
9:59 am

Platooning Is Dumb, what were Quentin’s stats last year and how much better were they than Heyward’s ROOKIE season? Also, take into consideration Quentin’s bloated salary for what he produces and that Heyward has been playing hurt for quite some time. By what measure is Quentin a “good hitter”?

The only way a player can get out of a funk is to get on the playing field and take repetitions, which is what Heyward should, and will, do. The fact that you’d take Francoeur over two Heywards tells us all we need to know about your great baseball mind.

Platooning Is Dumb

December 8th, 2011
9:59 am

Rollins would give you .285 20 75 (120 runs scored too) and flawless defense at SS. Quentin would give you .290 30 100 and solid (average) defense in LF.

Platooning Is Dumb

December 8th, 2011
10:01 am

I recall Heyward sitting on the bench last year instead of playing at Gwinnett. I also read where he is not playing winter ball. But he’s gonna come in March ready to be a .300 hitter ? Yeah right…

Fan in Jersey

December 8th, 2011
10:04 am

Your name should be negative fan in Tampa….. .500 team? 3rd or 4th place? This same core of players won 90+ games last season with a ton of injuries and underperforming players. Name one impact player this team lost? Sherrill? Mclouth? Linebrink? Wilson? All easily replaceable, and with 1 or 2 small moves this is another 90 win team easily…

jb

December 8th, 2011
10:05 am

Dream on Jersey

Beowulf

December 8th, 2011
10:08 am

Pujols to the Angels…that just ain’t right! My condolences to Cardinals fans everywhere, you didn’t deserve that. At least he’s not a Marlin though…

aBraveVol

December 8th, 2011
10:09 am

pujols to angels

PMC

December 8th, 2011
10:10 am

It’s one thing to say you have a good ball club and believe it. I get that.

The Braves club hit well for about 3 weeks of ALL OF LAST SEASON.

Saying you have a good club now is boarding on the ravings of a lunatic.

There is absolutely nothing concrete to say that Jason Heyward is going to suddenly figure out how to hit major league pitching again. Left Field is still a 2nd baseman. Chipper Jones is still old. Shortstop is currently vacant.

This from a team that couldn’t get a hit if they needed it to survive last year.

Put on the sandwich board Frank… The End is NIGH!

Prognosticator

December 8th, 2011
10:11 am

To Frank Wren: The past is no predictor of the future. It is the past. You have to look at how your team currently matches up against the others. In the most recent past of course, you failed miserably by historic proportions. You should have been canned, but here we are still stuck with you.

Based on recent events, the Braves, with no improvement to the offense, will finish no better than 3rd in the NL East.

Don

December 8th, 2011
10:13 am

That’s right, the Braves have a good team as is – After all we have a part time, poor defensive third baseman who is our third place hitter who no longer hits like a third place hitter; do not have a shortstop; have a poor defensive second baseman who does not have a good batting average or a good on base average even though he does have some power; are counting on a right fielder who was not productive last year and may never be productive (and this assumes that Prado can return to being productive an be an effective Left Fielder). But I do agree that NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE ANYWAY – as long as we continue with the INJURY MILL for Starting Pitchers that we have had ever since Leo left as Pitching Coach six or seven years ago. Right now we have FOUR of our five starters coming off injuries — three of these are the young pitchers (JJ, Hanson, and Medlin) who had already proven themselves and should have been the core of an outstanding rotation for years to come. They may NEVER come back and really be great. And this is just the TIP OF THE ICEBERG — Consider how many/all the Starting Pitchers that we have had in the 6 or 7 years since Leo left (counting only those who were in the rotation for a reasonible length of time) – HOW MANY OF THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN INJURED. The Braves cannot have a winning team as long as this continues— The damage that has already been done to the young pitchers may keep the Braves from being a winner for years to come. The hitting, defense, and everything else will make no difference as long as this continues.

PMC

December 8th, 2011
10:16 am

The only way this team is going to win in the postseason is to score more runs and NOT ruin the bullpen by mid august.

PMC

December 8th, 2011
10:18 am

August 26th we had the best record in baseball. Yeah no kidding, that consequently was the same day the back end of the bullpen had their arms fall off.

Larry Parrish gone nothwithstanding, why would anyone believe that this team is suddenly going to wake up and be consistent offensively?

PMC

December 8th, 2011
10:20 am

I would take Cody Ross as a backup outfielder. I like his game, but seriously, they need a true starting corner outfielder to truely compete at both positions. Neither left nor right field produced like they needed to in order to compete.

Frank Wren to Pujols' Agent

December 8th, 2011
10:23 am

After careful consideration, my offer to Albert is:

$75,000 per year guaranteed for 15 years, with a signing bonus of 10,000 euros, and other bonus options that can take him all the way up to $85,000/yr. Plus I’m including benefits, a relocation package, and $500 in gift certificates to Home Depot. And to really make it hard for Albert to say no, I will throw in a free lawnmower, a 3-speed bicycle and he can have Nate McLouth’s old locker. .

STRETCH

December 8th, 2011
10:24 am

Wow, Pujols to the Angels for 25mil a year? They are gonna be in bad shape in about 3 or 4 years.

Braves Need OF

December 8th, 2011
10:24 am

I read on Yahoo sports that the Astros were willing to pay half of Carlos Lee’s salary to trade him. He’s a pretty good hitter.

bozz

December 8th, 2011
10:25 am

Platooning Is Dumb, Quentin is a 20hr/64rbi/250avg hitter for his career. Where did you get your numbers? He also averages 102 games per season, a far cry from 162.

Farnsworthy

December 8th, 2011
10:27 am

To the Fan in New Jersey: Sober up before you blog.

vesaversa

December 8th, 2011
10:27 am

I keep hearing about a Heyward’ trade which is totally ridiculous .The Braves have great pitching so there is no reason to go there . But they could pick up another good outfielder who can hit that would be nice .

Braves Need OF

December 8th, 2011
10:29 am

The Red Sox want Carlos Quentin now. So scrap that idea…

Bluestreak

December 8th, 2011
10:36 am

Any chance the Braves go for Kendrys Morales for LF? He’s got a good slash line and plays 1st and the OF (although its been in Right). He could start in LF and back up FF at 1st.

I like Cody Ross, but I’d take Morales over him in LF any day.

afan

December 8th, 2011
10:36 am

Braves…lol

Bluestreak

December 8th, 2011
10:37 am

Oh, and he’s a switch hitter too.

afan

December 8th, 2011
10:50 am

Robert Fish, Braves new pitcher that must stay on 25 man roster are be offered back to Angels.

Never get enought Pitchers!….what about a hitter?

PMC

December 8th, 2011
10:57 am

Pujols can DH in the AL so that will add at least a couple of productive years to his career.

10 years though is insanity.

PMC

December 8th, 2011
10:58 am

Also, since we talk about attendance so much. Pitching is freaking boring. The only pitcher (other than our big 3) I’ve ever paid money to see is Verlander.

If you can’t hit, you aren’t going to draw a large audience period. These Braves, cannot hit at all.

STRETCH

December 8th, 2011
11:02 am

Lefty C.J. Wilson will join Albert Pujols in Los Angeles, as the Angels continue a surprising free agent spending spree. The Halos completed a deal with Wilson today, an executive who spoke to the team told Joel Sherman of the New York Post.

kwajbraves

December 8th, 2011
11:15 am

I rather have Trout than Morales. Morales is coming out of ankle surgery and hasn’t play for nearly 2 years. He is better suited to stay in the American league where he could DH.

Billy Ray

December 8th, 2011
11:20 am

Two hours ago different media outlets started posting that Albert Puljos has signed with the Angels. Anybody awake over there at the AJC?

74bravesjersey

December 8th, 2011
11:30 am

There ya have it;year after year the hope so’s we like our team theme they feed the atl fans again,same lineup, not enough threat,not enough clutch; not enough stayin’ alive w/2 strikes. Yeah let’s hope so huh? More threats w/ discipline will save pitchin’ & keep us out of all those xtra innin’s.(offensive threats at the plate,hittin’ w/clutch.

David O'Brien

December 8th, 2011
11:32 am

I rather have Trout than Morales — kwajbraves

Me, too. Because then the Braves could have a Fish and a Trout.

@Fredo

December 8th, 2011
11:32 am

Billy Ray,

Lets get them focused on some Braves coverage first. I can’t wait for the “McCann worth the extension” piece to be reused as a headline in middle December, suckering everyone to click thinking it is a new story.

Josh B

December 8th, 2011
11:36 am

Since Jurrjens is the biggest pitcher on the market now, can somebody give us a good bat for him?

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