1:13 pm December 7, 2011, by David O'Brien
December 7th, 20116:41 pm
How about Wilson Betemit coming back to play SS?
December 7th, 20116:47 pm
What a bunch of inane, ill-informed comments. What is it about Chipper that gets some of you so upset? The guy is a future HOFer who has played his whole career in ATL, could have gotten more money elsewhere, continues to be clutch by metrics(look it up), still has some power and plays 3/4 of the games. Envy. Jealousy.
December 7th, 20116:49 pm
How about this:
Mets are looking to rebuild. And trading within the same division is usually taboo. But it has been done many of times, recently with Uggla!
Mets are also looking to move players at eat some of the salary.
Why not pick up Jason Bay for LF for JJ. He is a power RH and will bring balance to the lineup. Prado needs to stay on with the Braves if possible. But I can see him being trade for another great bullpen help in Qualls. I also like Jack Wilson has a backup and tutor for Pastornicky.
I do think the braves either make a move for a power hitter or just make Prado the LF and try to win again on pitching.
December 7th, 20116:52 pm
With the tightwad ownership of Liberty, standing pat is the safest thing to do. All they’ll allow us to do is get another band-aid retread (think Garret Anderson, Nate McClouth, Rick Ankiel, etc., while giving away a Prado and a great prospect or two.
December 7th, 20116:55 pm
really folks braves were snakebite last year they a little better than that wren just needs to sign a freeagent left feilder turn them loose
December 7th, 20116:59 pm
wren listen no trades
December 7th, 20117:06 pm
J-Man put down that J.Betamit wasn’t good enough to start for Braves 5 years and 50 pounds ago.
December 7th, 20117:22 pm
Albert Pujols is a free agent, and yet only two teams are making him offers. New York and Boston aren’t offering him anything. These facts are almost astonishing.
December 7th, 20117:24 pm
By the way, why would the Marlins back out of the equation now? Why would they concede the point after signing Mark Buehrle, a move that would increase their odds?
Make an offer for Hanley Ramirez, Frank.
Liberty Media, sell the team. You’re incompetent, corrupt, worthless.
December 7th, 20117:28 pm
not going to a game
December 7th, 20117:38 pm
If we dont make moves this is sad
December 7th, 20117:44 pm
@ Mister Frisky, have you had a look at Betimit’s stats .285, 8 HR, 46 RBI in 323 ABs. A heck of a lot better than Alex Gonzalez. Also Betimit never got a chance in Atlanta because we always had Furcal, and Chipper blocking him from coming up here.
HIRE HANLEY AND FIRE FREDI.
December 7th, 20117:50 pm
3 guys that would make us instantly better
December 7th, 20117:59 pm
I’m a little weary of Bay because he has been injured since getting that contract and hasn’t put up the numbers he did in Boston. I like BJ Upton good 4 tool player just lacking on the batting Avg. I also don’t think we should trade Prado.
December 7th, 20118:15 pm
Bay sucks, next.
December 7th, 20118:16 pm
Just havin fun J-Man I always liked Wilson.
December 7th, 20118:18 pm
How long do we have to keep up this chirping?
December 7th, 20118:23 pm
“ohhhhyeahhh”— We don’t need that commentary.
“stuck”– You don’t watch baseball too closely, apparently. Chipper’s fluent swing produced another strong season for him last year, and the fact that he, at 39, outplayed Heyward, 22, is both a compliment to the former and a calling-out to the latter.
So, the Braves are shopping for a power-hitting outfielder, huh? I wouldn’t be so quick to do so. First of all, they’re ready to indict arguably the MVP of the team, Martin Prado, for having a slightly-down 2011. Actually, it was more than slight, but it had a lot to do with injuries and the distraction of playing an uncomfortable position, which is exactly what Ken Caminiti endured in 2001 when asked to play first base. For pete’s sake, we keep hearing about who would replace Chipper at third if he retires. Is there a more-obvious fit anywhere in baseball than Prado? NO! Therefore, why be so quick to trade the man?
By the way, yeah, you usually get more homers from your outfielders than your infielders, but no need exists to buck the status quo when it’s working pretty well and when the aforementioned Heyward very well could break out with 30-35 homers this year.
Hanley Ramirez would be a nice acquisition, to put it mildly, and with Michael Bourn at leadoff, Ramirez would be free to unload his power swing of 2007 and 2008. Lest we forget, he did hit 33 homers in ‘08. Since then, he seems like he has an identity crisis as a player, leading to his egregious statistics.
We hear a lot about the Mark Teixeira trade. How about the Javier Vazquez trade? A former professor who thinks he knows everything about baseball thought I was crazy three years ago when saying Brent Lillibridge could hit 20 homers in a season and said the guy would never hit more than ten in a season. Well, last year he hit 13 in 97 games. Tyler Yates, who also was in that regrettable trade, hit five in highly-limited time last year. (The same professor said that Dale Murphy’s hitting 398 homers, not 400, should be a real consideration in his Hall of Fame vote. No wonder our educational system’s shot.)
Liberty Media needs to sell the team ASAP. Everything it touches turns to ruins: the Braves, TBS, etc.. Okay, the Braves haven’t turned to ruins, but this fact is in spite of them, not because of it. Incompetent ownership’s working against Wren and co., not with them, is certainly not good.
By the way, this team just fired its hitting coach not long ago, and I firmly believe he was a large reason behind the offense’s woes at times, so why make wholesale changes now, when they might not even be needed? I recommend hiring Jeff Treadway and being done with it.
Ramirez’s history with Gonzalez shouldn’t be a brick wall to his potentially coming here. Alex Gonzalez is gone. Regrettably, the team didn’t make the slightest move to acquire Jose Reyes, and now Ramirez is out there: a five-tool player at age 28 who can be a real difference-maker. If Atlanta doesn’t at least consider this move, I’m going to be beyond disgusted, and quit considering trading Prado; the man needs to stay where he is.
December 7th, 20118:26 pm
Typical Braves fashion in last 10 years or so. Lack of fire in the organization.
December 7th, 20118:40 pm
we might aswell just ask Brain Jordan or Ron Gant to play LF.
December 7th, 20118:45 pm
You mean….factual commentary? The only thing you say thats agreeable was the part about chipper still getting it done, and that Liberty Media are crap owners.
Lillibridge is gone, no use tryin to worry about what he is or will do. And we wont make a move for Hanley for the exact same reason we didnt make a play for Reyes (who by the way stays hurt almost more than heyward and Chipper combined), and that reason is because Wren and Co. believe that Pastornicky is also a 5-tool caliber short stop. So why on Gods green Earth would you make a move for someone so pricey when you have someone you believe will be ready this year?
Prado……is simply not the answer. He looked almost as uncomfortable at 3rd last year as he did in LF. And also, Hes just not a power guy. The Braves feel they can trade him to a team in need of a 2B and get good return for him, and i think thats in the best interest for all parties involved, INCLUDING Prado, its where he belongs, NOT 3rd, NOT LF. Simple as that.
As far as signing Treadway, i dont know if you looked at many articles after the firing of Larry Parrish, but we have since signed Greg Walker, for better or for worse. Dont think theyre gonna fire him before his first day.
December 7th, 20118:55 pm
Honestly! who cares what other teams do. As long as the team we have is good enough to win aswell. Currently we have a team that cannot meet the quota. We need a RH power hitting LF. who will or who should it be. Once again I think it should be BJ Upton. Im sure his name has came across the Brves front office. So, Who will it be guys? no platooning, no Diaz, no Seth Smith, and im ok with Prado. WHAT ARE THE BRAVES GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS OFFENSE!!!
December 7th, 20118:57 pm
How about since the White Sox are getting rid of everyone, why don’t the Braves get Brent Lillibridge back? he can play everywhere and can hit when given the chance. but Wren won’t do it or do anything significant because he is a Grade A number 1 douchebag for a GM
December 7th, 20118:58 pm
Wont be Upton. Too expensive, and too hot-tempered. Not saying those are reasons we SHOULDNT go after him, but im saying, based on the way we pick out players, its why we WONT go after him. And i really doubt itll be Prado. Prolly gonna send JJ somewhere for like a Brett Gardner type player.
December 7th, 20119:11 pm
Beltran has a thin market. How anout two years 20 million with option for third if he avgs 140 games first two years. Him hitting second in front of Freeman is the perfect fit. Trade jj and prado for prospects and get the cash we need.
Tyler Pat – Lowre who I would love to get with Kalish in a red sox trade
December 7th, 20119:12 pm
Would love to see BJ in Atlanta!!!!
December 7th, 20119:13 pm
Bowman thanks it will be Beltan..
December 7th, 20119:25 pm
I HAVE LEARNED BETTER THAN TO QUESTION WREN. CAN’T COMPLAIN AT THIS POINT.
December 7th, 20119:28 pm
Hey Frank Wren, they’re having this really neat thing in Dallas this week called “The Winter Meetings”. You should probably check it out. They have players there and everything.
December 7th, 20119:29 pm
Come on people!!!!!!!! Braves do not have budget to buy pennant like the marlin’s are trying to do for second time. Our strength is pitching and farm system. Intelligent trades and youth are our vehicle for improvement this year and for many years to come!!!!! Ask the Rays how well it works. Seems to me they hang with the Yankees, red sox, rangers, tigers every year for fraction of the price. Frank is brilliant to watch our rival teams load up on expensive, injury prone, relics while we get younger and stronger at every position. Those of you screaming Chippers pulling us down, will be the first too stand and cheer during his 20 TO 30 ringers and 80+ RBIs. Chipped will retire after we capture the world series in 2012!!!!!
Frank, you have my support for waiting for the best deals for the team and not reacting to fans who can’t see the wisdom in not making deals just to make headlines without improving the team!!!!!
December 7th, 20119:34 pm
@brave4lf… are you drinking the blue koolaid or the red?
How about Adam Jones from Baltimore…if you could extend him..he’s due about 5 or 6 mil in arbitration…couldn’t we trade and try to extend his contract…say 7 or 8 mil…4 years. That OF would be sick for this year then he can take CF when Bourn leaves. Baltimore needs SP..looks like a good fit to me.
With that said, if that’s a no go..I’d hate to see Prado leave. What I don’t want to see is us trade him for a .240 20HR guy…I’d rather have the .300 15HR guy we got.
December 7th, 20119:39 pm
Its not koolaid bro, what you smoking 4lf
December 7th, 20119:40 pm
Another thing..Braves would be smart not to add payroll…Losing McClouth, Lowe, Kawikami….next year Chipper….they could be players for once in the free agent market. McCann is the tough one. I can’t see them signing him to a long term deal again…catchers don’t age well and he’s a defensive liability…also, the Braves already have his replacement in the minors. It will be tough to see him go though.
December 7th, 20119:41 pm
Sweeeet. I’m a big Adam Jones fan, and I think that is a good match for a trade with both teams.
December 7th, 20119:43 pm
I don’t even know why I read the comments section on these articles anymore. You guys on here are, for the most part, a bunch of ignorant fans. If the marlins add 20 wins (which is a little ridiculous to think of even after adding who they have), they would barely be better than the braves were last year. the braves almost have no check of being anything but better. My main concern is the young pitching and the low number of innings they’ll eat up, and with frediot ruining our bullpen arms by July, that may be a problem
Bt to those of you who predict marlins, phillies, nationals, Braves, mets. You’re just ignorant. Gosh, it would be one thing if you contained and then offered a SENSIBLE opinion as to how we could be better, but just to complain for the sake of it makes you a terrible fan that makes real fans cringe.
December 7th, 20119:45 pm
YOUR 2012 Atlanta Braves
LF C. Ross
Now, go get those Phillies and Marlins!
Fool Me Once--You Know The Rest Of It
December 7th, 20119:46 pm
Hanley Ramirez is NOT playing for Freddi Gonzalez and I suspect sometime during this season the Braves closer and 7th and 8th inning men will be in Birmingham, Alabama. Now if Freddi decides to quit utilizing his bullpen as if he is a college coach in a super regional, at that point these kids may have a chance to see an arbitration hearing in the future.
Do you really not see the plan to turn this into tream to appeal to Latin americans. Watch the future deals to come and check out the make-up. They never had a domed stadium and much of the problem was related to getting the Hispanics in Dade County to warm to the product. It’s now their neighborhood, their county and soon to be a majority of their countrymen
It has long been a DESTINATION, but when it becomes a destination for Columbians, Venezuelans, Dominicans , Puerto Ricans et al to make some excursions to watch baseball and also buy merchandise for a team that will be associated with that area–and whose owners did not buy into Bernie Madoff–Well, I ain’t seeing this as the precurson to a selloff. Hell, they got a stadium financed through taking advantage of dade County politicos. This owner is a smart dude who never spent mone, he is still smart and now he is spending monry. He could have kept playing his Luxury Tax game and bankrolled millions, however, he changed—WHY??
December 7th, 20119:48 pm
@Gavin the cringing real fan:
Ironically, you just complained and didn’t offer a sensible solution.
December 7th, 20119:58 pm
Cody Ross is 2 years to late…
Agree Captain Obvious on Jones and Gavin…
December 7th, 201110:20 pm
Be nice if the Braves could hurry up and get a good owner.
What’s the latest on that DOB? — soon to be Winter of George
There is no latest. Team’s not for sale yet, and I don’t know when it will be.
December 8th, 201112:06 am
“ohhhhyeahhh”— I was referring to your unnecessary commentary about a topic to be avoided.
Leave off the “God’s green earth” reference while you’re at it.
Hanley Ramirez is one of the best in the game, even with a down year. Acquiring him would be an outstanding move.
Not surprised that the Braves have filled the position in question; I just hadn’t heard about it. I still prefer the Treadway option.
Martin Prado has done very well at third before; he was pretty fatigued and bruised last season. You can throw last season’s examples out the window.
On a separate note, baseball’s sorry commissioner needs to get the first round to be best-of-seven. A best-of-five series in an albatross. The Cardinals did indeed win it all, but the Phillies were clearly the best team in baseball last season. Honestly, you just can’t overlook what the Phillies did because they (barely) lost a five-game series. In short, why should we overlook a 162-case sample for a five-game one? More later.
Matt Ryan really does need to put aside the playbook a touch and go through daily target drills, not just him but every other quarterback. Also, the Falcons’ offense relies so much on ball control that turnovers can be backbreaking.
December 8th, 201112:07 am
I’d prefer the Mets’ ownership over this bunch.
December 8th, 201112:19 am
December 8th, 20119:43 am
That interview with FG says it all. This team has no hitting, no manager, and the over rated pitching is suspect.
Wren is comfortable with this scenario and sits on his hands while our division aggressively improves itself. The owner of this team is an anchor around the Braves neck. The handwriting is on the wall and DOB knows it. All of these “if he remains healthy, if he improves his batting skills, and if he has a good spring training” are meaningless quotes.
As it stands right now this Braves team is standing at the train station watching the train pull away from them. Good luck. How do you say, 4th place?
December 8th, 201112:31 pm
I quit the Braves last season,they are mediocre at best.
December 8th, 20111:21 pm
Of course, they will wait until all the good players are gone and go after the mediocre ones! Aweescome
December 8th, 20111:47 pm
NO i would call up Mr Cashman and offer this for Swisher Nunez and Gardner.
December 10th, 201112:29 am
THE BRAVES ARE GOING TO BEIN LAST PLACE IF THEYDONT MAKE SOMEMOVES SOON.WE SS LF THAT CAN HIT THE BALL.NOT DIAZ AND NOT MAKE LOTS OF ERRORS.JJ ISPART OF THE PROBLEM NOT THE SOLUTION.GET RID OF WREN THEN GET SOMEONE THATCAN DO THEJOB.
December 10th, 201111:53 am
Give up on him playing at SS but what bout trading Prado along with some other prospects to the Angels for either Kendry Morales or Mark Trumbo for L.F and when Chipper finally calls it quits make one of them the future at 3rd. But I don’t see them giving up Trumbo but I wonder if they can give up on Morales.
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