8:42 pm December 5, 2011, by David O'Brien
Brave New World
December 6th, 20115:29 pm
Andrew December 6th, 2011 5:21 pm
Just read on ESPN.com Hanley Ramirez informs Marlins today that he’s not moving to third base. Funny.
Then he may be moving “somewhere” else.
December 6th, 20115:30 pm
It’s hard to understand the people who say they are done with the Braves continuing to “waste” their own time on a Braves blog.
December 6th, 20115:39 pm
That’s right the Malins are going to make up the 17 games they finished behind the Braves last year because they signed Heath Bell (do you honestly prefer him over Kimbrel?) and Jose Reyes (something that I predict they will regret sooner rather than later).. Are you serious?
May I refresh your recollection and point out that the Braves did not have JJ or Hanson available last September and the Marlins have so far done nothing to fix their greatest need–starting pitching. I don’t know how long you have been a Braves fan, but I have been one for 50 years and can tell you about all those years when the Braves had the best offense in the league and finished 4th or worse because they lacked the key component for successful baseball–pitching and especailly starting pitching.
If you can get over your panic attack long enough you might notice that the Braves have not only strong starting pitching but one of, if not the best, bullpen in major league baseball. Finally, last I checked this is December 6th, not March 31st.
December 6th, 20115:41 pm
Braves waiting until Monday to check other teams rejects? Typical.
Tinker, Evers and NO Chance
December 6th, 20115:48 pm
I’m a 102 year old Cubs fan and was born a year too late to see our last World Series Championship but I still wear my Cubbies gear into other teams stadiums and try to aggravate them. I know I’m a moron for following a team that has won nothing in over a century but isn’t that part of bring a “fan?” Hell, I realize I could have just as well been born and raised a yankee fan and have been able to shoot my mouth off with glee about my trams dominance, but it does not work that way. The first team I follow as a kid –undoubtedly due to geographic location–is the team I MUST cheer for all my life. Unless of course I want to be labeled a “bad fan” Can’t have that.
In the words of that idiot’s grandfather-”Let’s get some runs”
December 6th, 20115:49 pm
Here’s something the Braves, Dawgs, Falcons, and Jackets all have in common. They aren’t bad or terrible teams. They’re not elite or great either. And I see no sense of urgency from any of them during their seasons.
Fool Me Once--You Know The Rest Of It
December 6th, 20116:00 pm
Has anyone ever calculated the “average” amount of time spent in here last year by Blog regulars. I came here every day to read the “USUALLY” very intelligent and witty posts , but I could never spend the time that many did on this site. I’m wondering if there will be any residual effect on participation when one takes into account the complete blow up. If that was not enough to make many say “I ain’t doing that again”, well, I can only say to all you Gunga Dins that you are a far better man than me.
If the Marlins get Pujols the Braves are going to be in trouble,they can easily slip to the 3 best team in the division.But I think they would be ok with that they love just being mediocre.
December 6th, 20116:05 pm
All this talk about needing more runs has giving me the runs.
December 6th, 20116:24 pm
Braves wait patiently for meetings deal , patience !! and patience !! lmao this wren !!
playoffs ? are yo sure … playoffs ?
December 6th, 20116:27 pm
Yep DOB, and Wren will still be waiting come september.
December 6th, 20116:28 pm
braves have prospects , a good prospect , hey wren send 3 prospect for gio gonzales .. trade jurrjens to toronto for jose bautista .. chipper bye bye / no more / this is a powefull move .. wren wakeup !!!!
December 6th, 20116:29 pm
jajaja lmao this gm
December 6th, 20116:33 pm
When do the GM meetings end?
December 6th, 20116:34 pm
December 6th, 20116:35 pm
wren !! hello !!!! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz / marlins next move : pujols / and next buerhle or gio gonzales / braves ?? zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
December 6th, 20116:41 pm
Well all I gotta say is if the Braves don’t make any moves these message boards are gonna light up with angry fans………come to think of it there gonna light anyways because we choked a 10.5 game lead. Also with Kimbrel and Venters getting tired at the end of the season we need more bull-pen depth. Sign Sherrill and 2 more arms.
December 6th, 20116:46 pm
The Braves do this every year. They wait around to buy cheap and end up with the dregs. They will trade Juirjens and Prado and end up with nothing except a 1 year player. They never want to pay. Bunch of cheapos.
December 6th, 20116:47 pm
u right j-man . im tired .. same thing in atlanta .. gm wren really suck , i cant believe it marlins get albert pujols and braves ?thanks u … zzz
December 6th, 20116:54 pm
Maybe Wren could pull off a trade for Florida’s SS now that he’s unhappy with having to move to 3rd base? It would be expensive, but likely profitable (e.g., playoffs).
December 6th, 20116:56 pm
just saw.. the whitesox and the cubs payroll over 125m… yeah payroll wins every time. its all about using it properly. oh yeah.. apparently the marlins are already having issues with henley..way too much talent for a guy to be a head case.
December 6th, 20117:20 pm
Wren !! hello !!
December 6th, 20117:29 pm
I heard Braves lookin’ at Thorton from Chi-sox. I haven’t heard anything about Detroit’s relief pitcher who had elbow surgery, Zumaya. Are there any teams looking there?
December 6th, 20117:34 pm
Superstars want to live here but don’t want to nothing to do with our sports teams .
December 6th, 20117:40 pm
Teams are goin’ bonkers (Miami & Chi-sox). The MLB net wondering why we got rid of Lowe and (willing to trade) JJ. To us Braves fans it seems much clearer, but I guess you have to be a fan to understand the stock we have with Julio, Minor, Beachy, etc.. They contradicted themselves earlier by saying we would be mismanaging if we didn’t get rid of some of the pitching we have. Actually, it hangs on a standard amount, we have our IDEAL and our back up, if Hudson is delayed, JJ is traded and Tommy Hanson’s shoulder is still ailing him. Indeed we are lacking in offense in outfield if Heyward remains to struggle, but I like the team going forward. As for Miami, I think it’ll be great for the division and challenging, but I don’t think it should change our goals and strategies. I still feel their financing is FISHY, and I’d still rather be a BRAVE than a Marlin…even NOW.
December 6th, 20117:49 pm
Florida to tried to do better moves that the atlanta braves and proof this than in the two times that they have visited the series world are 2 – 0 = 2 ws title / the opposite of the braves.
now florida is almost already to sign Albert pujols the best and the Braves ahh if waiting he tells wren that C.J.WILSON and BUERHLE sign to then switch to JURRJENS ,friend haha are lost with an organization so since the braves fell into the hands of a cooporacion we have miserable. We do not move and will not be able to compete until that we do not have an owner that will help us and like win. do not expect moved some, let’s see the same year passed the same. or worse.
December 6th, 20117:51 pm
jack wilson next ss jaja lmao and maybe another chump outfielder . u will see
December 6th, 20118:09 pm
Aint it about time that 1 of you positive peteys tells to have faith and to trust Wren and Gonzalez? (Crickets Chirping) And a true “fan” doesn’t just support their team no matter what (Chicago Cubs). They sometimes call out their teams when they underperform (Red Sox, Yankees, Phillies and Cardnials). And the MAJORITY of Braves fans demand a move to acquire a bat and to show a better effort and if we choke a big lead like that again the F GON and Wren must go!!!!!!!!!!! Remember we choked a 10.5 GAME LEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trade Martin Prado and Jair Jurrjens to Texas for Michael Young and Jake Skole (CF – Minor Leage – Single A). Young is popular in Texas, but will be 35 in 2012. He has played 2nd, 3rd and SS; he would probably be able to figure out left field and start there. Still has a solid bat. Would be a strong back-up for Tyler Pastornicky at SS and Chipper Jones at 3rd if needed. Could be starter at 3rd in 2013 when Jones retires. Skole is from Atlanta and is rated as a descent outfield prospect with speed and he can hit for extra bases.
Thanks for your insightful comments nelson. You are adding some great ideas for Frank Wren to consider. I especially like the JJ for Bautista trade recommendation. I dont see why the Jays wouldn’t give up an MVP for JJ straight up. Keep your comments coming…
December 6th, 20118:11 pm
I still think we could do a JJ for BJ Upton deal. This would add the bat we need in our line up. Plus having 2 guys capable of 30 plus SB, which one is 50 plus Sb. This deal could make Atlanta scary on offense.
It would be hard press to drop a double or even a tripple when you have Upton, Bourne, and Heyward patrolling the OF.
Im a huge fan of the deal. leave Prado playing 3rd and SS until Pastornicky is ready. Prado can play anywhere.
December 6th, 20118:13 pm
Seattle – what about Chipper at 3B?
December 6th, 20118:15 pm
Chipper at 70% is still better than 80% of the league.
With that said, he will only play 120 games. Prado can play SS and platoon 3rd and LF. Chipper goes down we need a Prado like player to take over….
We need some new rumors to talk about this is getting boring
December 6th, 20118:16 pm
why the hell did the braves not put an offer in on reyes? I understand the money issue but now when the braves suck and the marlins and phillies go to the playoffs every year, the braves are going to end up losing a whole lot of money, we are the new Florida Malins.
December 6th, 20118:17 pm
resigning either Edgar R. or Jack W. to back up is a good idea too.
Good point Seattle braves. BJ would be good if he got out of tampa
December 6th, 20118:22 pm
I do feel we need a LF Righty Hitter with POP, more than a rental SS. Relying on wether Heyward gets his mojo back and Chipper playing 120 plus games, is not a solid plan.
Wren did not take us into account no matter what they say, but I will continue saying things… the marlins, marlins making history and atlanta… asleep…
December 6th, 20118:24 pm
jack wilson good idea ? jajajajajaajjaa lmaooo . renteria …?? jajajaj please … sign rollins This itself is a good idea
LIBERTY MEDIA KISS MY A…$$%
December 6th, 20118:30 pm
I hear that Pastornicks is nothing more but a stop gap for Simmons anyways so why not trade Pastornicky, and JJ for Alexei Ramirez and Carlos Quentin?
December 6th, 20118:34 pm
j-man for a gm .. quentin and ramirez nice
December 6th, 20118:38 pm
I’ve been wanting Ramirez since July ‘10.
December 6th, 20118:42 pm
ramirez good player man , where is wren !! wake up dumb a..$%%%
December 6th, 20118:47 pm
If I made that Trade it would allow Wren to either keep Prado or stock up on prospects in trading him. But another issue that needs to be addressed is Bull-pen depth because Venters and Kimbrel need some rest and we don’t want to ruin their arms later on in the year
December 6th, 20118:48 pm
Overheard at the winter meetings: “Gotta hand it to the Marlins…”
December 6th, 20118:56 pm
Chi-Sox would never make that trade.
December 6th, 20118:58 pm
Acquiring Michael Young from the Rangers is the best move Wren could possibly make. Young is versatile in the field (SS,3B,1B).and still has a good bat and is good in the clutch. Also a stand up guy in the clubhouse.
December 6th, 20119:01 pm
I forgot that Young is a 10 and 5 player ,most likely would veto trade out of A.L.
December 6th, 20119:05 pm
Busch Leaguer – yes, Young is a 10 and 5 player, but do not know that he is happy as the DL – think he would like the opportunity to play in the field everyday
December 6th, 20119:06 pm
Sorry, meant Designated Hitter (DH) – not DL
December 6th, 20119:10 pm
@ Seattle Brave maybe they wouldn’t make that exact trade but they have looked and have an intrest in JJ and have put Quinten on the market. All we really need to do is add another minor leaguer and I actually think we can have both Ramirez and Quinten for Jurrjens, Pastornicky, and lets say JJ Hoover
December 6th, 20119:43 pm
I wish something would freaking happen it seem like were always a day late and a dollar short
December 6th, 201110:05 pm
Forget about 2012 and concentrate on 2013 when we will have lots of available cash and young talent, trade McCann for a young power hitting outfielder and go with this lineup for 2012:
1. Bourn CF
2. Constanza RF
3. Outfielder from McCann Trade LF
4. Uggla 2B
5. Freeman 1B
6. Terdoslavich 3B
7. Pastronicky SS
8. Bethancourt C
Bench: Chipper, Prado, The Disel, Diaz, Wilson, Ross
Hang on to all pitchers and trade Heyward for two prospects.
December 6th, 201111:22 pm
wow there are a lot of “super” ideas on the blog tonight! Who are these people?
December 7th, 201111:00 am
Kind of obvious now that these owners don’t want to improve the team, but want to hang onto the $$$. No pride in winning for the city of Atlanta.
We will watch another also ran team this year. UGH !!!
December 7th, 201111:06 am
DOB, didn’t know you studdered!
December 7th, 201111:46 am
There’s a shocker Braves aren’t ready to spend
December 7th, 20111:19 pm
We see other teams trying to put together a Porsche or Ferrari in order to win. The Braves have a 1972 Ford Fairlane that they are trying to turn into a good work car.
December 7th, 20111:36 pm
This organization is operating under a system that never seems to have a sense of urgency. They have since the 90’s. That is why the product on the field is mediocre at best. They still live in the 90’s and act as if they are still THE organization in baseball. Same thing next year except they won’t even be in it.
we want mark cuban
December 7th, 20112:54 pm
1) I think someone should start a website petitioning Mark Cuban buy the Braves… Maybe with enough signatures, he’ll change his mind
2) I think realistic scenario 3 team trade: braves get will myers, drew stubbs/jay Bruce; kc get yonder alonso, prado; reds get jurrjens and royals pitching prospect not named Montgomery
December 7th, 20114:15 pm
So did Handley Ramirez really say publicly that he would refuse to move to third base? If he did, then he’s in serious trouble! He’s not the shortstop that Reyes is and more importantly he’s already angered the Marlins and his teammates once before. He’s such a headcase that frankly I don’t want him on the Braves roster at all.
It is possible for someone to be such a clubhouse cancer that no amount of talent will keep you on a roster! Ramirez needs to shut up and move the third base and work to win a pennant, which if the Marlins can sign Pujols, they could do.
CANADIAN BRAVES FAN
December 15th, 20111:47 pm
Have been watching the news from Braves sources and all that I am hearing is negativity.-eg How long is Bourne going to be a Brave–is Chipper going to play much and two of his backups are almost gone–Conrad not tendered and Prado on the trading block–our allstar Jurjens also on the trading block–we have only an untested rookie as our shortstop–will Heyward bounce back or be bundled up to play somewhere else (a la Francoeur) our allstar catcher is wondering if he can still hit and two of our top pitchers are coming off injuries or medical treatment (Hudson & Hanson) my God Mr Wren please throw us a bone of hope please do something to change this negative energy or else 2012 will start with the same glooy outlook as 2011 ended DO SOMETHING
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January 2nd, 201212:43 pm
Why didn’t the Braves try to acquire Carlos Quentin? The Padres got him for two minor leaguers. Seems cheap enough…..and he only made $5M last year. When healthy, this guy can rake it! And he’s only 29! He could have been a long term solution in LF for years to come, and could have given us the flexibility we need to allow Prado to play 3B (because we all know Chipper can’t stay healthly all season!…)He also has a strong work ethic, and loves the game. He would be a great example in our locker room. Plus, the Braves aren’t sold on the fact that Heyward will return to his form from two years ago…..and he was banged up all of last year.
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