‘14 HOF class should have distinct Braves flavor

DALLAS – This morning’s announcement here at the Winter Meetings that Ron Santo was voted into the Hall of Fame by the Veterans Committee got me thinking what an epic Braves-centric event the 2014 HOF induction ceremony could be.

Not only will Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine surely be first-ballot inductees that July day at Cooperstown, but going in alongside the pair of 300-game winners could be their former Braves manager Bobby Cox.

And here’s one that a lot of folks might not have thought about: longtime Braves GM John Schuerholz could also be enshrined that year, which would be quite an aligning of stars for the Braves and their fans, who’s certainly flock to Cooperstown in droves for that happening.

Glavine (left) and Maddux (right) should be first-ballot HOF selections in 2014, while Smoltz will have to wait at least another year because he pitched a year longer than his two pals.

Glavine (left) and Maddux (right) should be first-ballot HOF selections in 2014, while Smoltz will have to wait at least another year because he pitched a year longer than his two pals.

Cox and Schuerholz will be on the Veterans Committee ballot at the 2013 Winter Meetings, when the committee considers candidates from 1973 and later. (Next year the committee will consider candidates from 1946 and earlier. That’s how it’s done, with one of three historical periods considered annually on a rotating basis.)

The only thing I could see preventing that quartet of Braves going in together would be the fact that Tony La Russa, Joe Torre and Lou Piniella will also be among those considerd by the veterans committee at the ’13 Winter Meetings, and only four can be elected in one year by the committee.

Barring a return to the game by one of those retired managers, I think Cox, La Russa and Torre are locks to be voted in that year. That would only leave one spot, with Piniella and plenty of others players, managers and team officials up for consideration. The supposedly retiring commissioner Bud Selig himself might be on that veterans committee ballot, along with Marvin Miller, the former union chief.

Just imagine if John Smoltz had stopped pitching a year earlier than he did – we’d have had the possibility of Cox and Schuerholz going into the Hall with the entire Braves Big Three.

Cox could be voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame by Veterans Committee at 2013 Winter Meetings, in which case he'd be part of the '14 HOF class.

Cox could be voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame by Veterans Committee at 2013 Winter Meetings, in which case he'd be part of the '14 HOF class.

Anyway, Braves fans might want to start thinking of vacation plans for July 2014 in central New York, on the edge of the Catskills. Cooperstown is beautiful that time of year, and HOF induction weekend is something every baseball fan should experience at least once. (I was fortunate to take part in the 2007 ceremony – Rickey Henderson and Jim Rice were inducted – when I was president of the Baseball Writers Association of America. An experience I shall never forget.)

♣ Meetings underway: The Winter Meetings officially began this morning, though almost every team’s GM and his assistants and other top officials were already here at the Hilton Anatole by Sunday night and the sprawling hotel’s various lobbies, bars and restaurants were packed with chatting basball folks all night.

The Braves brought their large contingent of GM Frank Wren, his top assistants and scouts, plus president Schuerholz and other executives. I chatted with manager Fredi Gonzalez for a while Sunday afternoon, he looking a bit slimmer since the end of the season and accompanied by new Braves minor league strength and conditioning coordinator Rick Slate.

Slate was fired as Mets strength coach after the 2010 season, and he’s got close ties to Wren and Gonzalez going back to the Florida Marlins of the 1990s, when Wren was Marlins assistant GM and Gonzalez was a minor league manager and then major league coach in the Marlin organization.

Slate was strength coach for the 1997 World Series champion Marlins of manager Jim Leyland, more on them in a moment.

♣ Where are the rumors? We’ve made it through Sunday night and halfway through the first official day of the meetings without any juicy rumors involving Braves, other than more of the same – this team or that (Toronto, in this case) is interested in Martin Prado but isn’t a match for the Braves’ needs; some teams are interested in Jair Jurrjens but has enough concerns about his knee to make the Braves’ reported asking price of multiple young players/good prospects too high.

I wouldn’t count on either getting traded, though it also won’t surprise me if one is before we leave here. Prado seems the more likely candidate to be moved, but I still wonder if he’s as valuable to other teams as he is to a Braves team that would have to replace him both in LF and as Chipper’s third-base backup.

As for Jurrjens, even though the Braves know he’ll be hard to keep long-term as a Scott Boras client, his trade value right now can’t possibly be as high as it would be if he were to have a good first half and erase some concerns about the knee that’s caused him to miss parts of the past two seasons.

And frankly, with the news last week that Tim Hudson had back surgery – even though doctors told the Braves he should be ready for spring training – you have to wonder whether the Braves would be taking a risk by trading away Jurrjens and going into the season with Hudson less than a sure thing health-wise early on, and with Tommy Hanson coming off a season of shoulder problems and the rest of the rotation to be filled by very talented but also very young and inexperienced starters (when Mike Minor’s half-season of starts looks like a lot compared to two other rotation candidates, that’s when you know it’s a youthful group).

OK, we’re just getting started at these meetings, folks. Expect rumors to fly before too much longer. I’ll let you know as soon as I hear anything.

♣ Reason No. 73 why Twitter is worthwhile after all: Where else you gonna get a sparring match between Aussie relief pitcher Peter Moylan of the Braves and the very popular, entirely middle-of-the-road Canadian band Nickelback?

Definitely not Nickelback. These are the Foo Fighters.

Definitely not Nickelback. These are the Foo Fighters.

Moylan, just back from his recent wedding in Maui and trip home to Australia, had a little fun after attending a Foo Fighters concert. Moylan, who has 34,000 followers on Twitter, had this tweet: “Note to @nickelback please attend a @foofighters concert. That’s how’s it should be done chad.”

Nickelback, which has more than 112,000 followers on Twitter and a lead singer named Chad Kroeger (by the way, I’m worried that Peter actually knew that), got wind of the zinger from Moylan and actually responded to it with this. “@PeterMoylan Foos are killer for sure. We’re doing just fine too thanks. ? for you Pete, is watching Kimbrel better from the bench or on TV?”

Ouch.

Moylan replied in another tweet: “For the record. Watching Kimbrel deal is fantastic from anywhere.”

The matter continued with Nickelback tweeting — I can’t believe I just wrote the phrase Nickelback tweeting — “There is no beef w/ @PeterMoylan. We both took shots. We didn’t take it seriously. To each their own. No harm meant, all the best to him.”

Our man Jason Isbell, singer/songwriter extraordinaire, leader of his own 400 Unit band, former Drive-By Trucker, and noted Braves fan, jumped into the fray with this tweet: “I hope @PeterMoylan really hates @nickelback, and he’s just covering himself. I like Pete.”

To which Moylan replied via tweet: “@JasonIsbell you know me buddy.”

Isbell saw that message from Moylan shortly after finishing a show in Kansas City this past weekend with legendary singer-songwriter John Prine.

Isbell responded: “Aight, I played with Prine tonight and Moylan tweeted me. I’m a kid again. Thank God for baseball and good songs.”

Anything that provides a platform for such a spicy convergence of music and baseball ain’t bad, right?

Marlins shopping spree Pt. II: After hiring manager Ozzie Guillen, lavishing big dollars on Jose Reyes (six years, $106 million) and closer Heath Bell (three years, $27 million), and reportedly prepping for an all-out pursuit of Albert Pujols (though I still can’t see that happening), this Marlins spending spree is beginning to remind me of another one the team had before the ’97 season. That’s when they purchased free agents Moises Alou, Bobby Bonilla, Alex Fernandez, reliever Dennis Cook and bench guys Jim Eisenreich and John Cangelosi.

They committed $89 million to those six players, which seemed like an awful lot of cash at the time when I was covering the Marlins along with Gordon Edes for the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel.

Jose Reyes will need a box this large to hold the money he'll be paid by the Marlins.

Jose Reyes will need a box this large to hold the money he'll be paid by the Marlins.

The Marlins won the ’97 World Series and then-owner Wayne Huizenga decided even before the postseason began that he was going to blow up the team by trading away those expensive players, since South Florida baseball fans had not filled enough seats at the Multi-Purpose Stadium With Many Corporate Sponsorships.

A quarter of a million folks turned out for three games in that World Series, but by then it was too late and Huizenga wouldn’t listen to the pleas of a group of veteran players who met with him and asked that he reconsider and keep the team together.

Flash forward to today. The Marlins, having made a profit in recent years with low payrolls and revenue sharing checks from MLB, will be moving into a new ballpark next season that’s being funded largely by taxpayers, a deal that’s upset a lot of those taxpayers and is now being investigated by the SEC (not the Southeastern Conference).

Oh, well. Never a dull moment with the Fish, who’ve won two World Series (’97 and ’03) as wild cards and now have ambitions on winning their first division title. And who knows? If they add a starting pitcher or two to that team, they might just be in position to push the NL East kings past (Braves) and present (Phillies) to the wire in ’12.

By the way, we’re sitting at a Marlins press conference right now with Bell being introduced. Before the presser began, Milwaukee scribe Tom Haundricourt cracked: “In a symbolic gesture, the Marlins are coming in accompanied by drunken sailors.”

OK, let’s file this before Reyes is introduced at a press conference here in this media-filled ballroom at the Anatole. We’ll talk with you guys later, after we meet with Wren at around 4:30 p.m. Central Time.

We’ll close with a great tune from the spectacularly named band Dale Earnhardt Jr. Jr. (yes, two juniors). This is a cover of a great tune by the late, great Gil Scott-Heron, and you can see Dale Jr. Jr. do it live by clicking here.

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“WE ALMOST LOST DETROIT” by Gil Scott-Heron

It stands out on the highway
Like a creature from another time
It inspires the babies’ questions (”What’s that?”)
For their mothers as they ride
But no one stopped to think about the babies or
How they will survive

And we almost lost Detroit
This time
How will we ever get over
Losing our minds

Just thirty miles from Detroit
Lies a giant power station
It ticks each night as the city sleeps
Like a creature from another time
But no one stopped to think about the people or
How they will survive

The sheriff of Monroe County’s got
Sure ‘nough, disasters on his mind
But what would Karen Silkwood say to you
If she was still alive
That when it comes to people’s safety

Money wins out every time

Almost lost Detroit
That time
How could we ever get over
Cause odds are
We’re gonna lose somewhere, one time
Odds are
We’re gonna lose somewhere, sometime
And how would we ever get over
losing our minds
losing our minds

Didn’t they, didn’t they decide
Almost lost Detroit
that time
Damn near totally destroyed
One time.
Didn’t all of the world know?
Say didn’t you know?
We almost lost Detroit

By David O’Brien, Braves/MIB blog

6,478 comments Add your comment

Ted

December 5th, 2011
4:20 pm

New blog. Thanks

Mike S

December 5th, 2011
4:22 pm

Great blog as always DOB. I saw Dale Jr. Jr. play at a small club in NYC a couple of years ago. They put on a great show, and were sporting some sweet NASCAR outfits.

DHD

December 5th, 2011
4:22 pm

Let’s make some moves!!!!!

Ward

December 5th, 2011
4:23 pm

Well,That figures I guess all we can do is wait,and hope.

Efrim

December 5th, 2011
4:25 pm

Thanks for the new blog, DOB!

nolie

December 5th, 2011
4:26 pm

lotsa guys with legitimate HOF shots coming up over the next 5-6 years

space monkey

December 5th, 2011
4:26 pm

PLease don’t trade Prado. We will regret it. He’s going to have a huge year.

Ward

December 5th, 2011
4:27 pm

I bet tonight nothing will be done,and we can expect more of the same sh*t.Wren, get moving………………………All have good one,and talk tonight……peace…….

Nick

December 5th, 2011
4:27 pm

Braves suck. They will lose 90+ next season.

TnBrian

December 5th, 2011
4:29 pm

That’s funny stuff, those tweets back and forth.

flange1

December 5th, 2011
4:29 pm

Thanks for the new blog DOB!

DAP - Lefties Unite!!!

December 5th, 2011
4:31 pm

ok, forgive me for this, but…whats so bad about nickelback?

i myself am not a fan…like DOB said, sort of middle of the road, not great, but i wouldnt consider them terrible. is there something i should know?

P'cola Brave

December 5th, 2011
4:32 pm

As a baseball fan I really enjoy the winter meetings but as a Braves fan I find that these meetings will be very slow.

BravePack

December 5th, 2011
4:32 pm

nolie and Gone Viral

Wow you diss Rasmus but you want the Braves to commit years to an aging OF’er who has a bad back and hits .246 when he does play and is a terrible fielder. Thank God you’re not evaluating talent for the Braves.

Bat Masterson

December 5th, 2011
4:32 pm

Good read DOB, thanks.

Ted

December 5th, 2011
4:33 pm

To add – watching the team collapse like they did and then basically bringing back the same team in toto (except sub a rookie 5th SP and a rookie SS) doesn’t inspire a great deal of confidence that next year’s team will be any better. If this happens, can’t see a run on ticket sales for next year’s team.

But, hey, who can argue with the man who has built one playoff team in 5 years as a GM.

DAP - Lefties Unite!!!

December 5th, 2011
4:34 pm

i mean, nickelback is no Whitesnake, but…what gives?

TnBrian

December 5th, 2011
4:34 pm

I know when I was almost like Ward is and this time of year I would check the blog constantly and check for that shade of grey. I thought Dave was giving us breaking news on trades. Nope. Just music stuff and food he ate or was eating at the time. I thought “you ba****”. But, gotta know things get drawn out sometimes and with Wren in the drivers seat on his players, this could get draw out until January or later.

DOB is awesome. He isn’t a bas***. Not even close.

Eddie

December 5th, 2011
4:34 pm

as a braves fan i understand the cautious approach, however watching the marlins improve themselves and phillie deepen their bench does have me concern that the braves are moving a tad slow but i give them the benefit of the doubt

TeheranTime

December 5th, 2011
4:35 pm

So, I ask the same question I have been asking the last several weeks: “Are the Braves EVER going to do anything?”

Murph

December 5th, 2011
4:36 pm

Poor Ward, I do believe this offseason will be the end of him.

BravoMan

December 5th, 2011
4:36 pm

Negative, negative, negative that’s all I ever see on this blog.

Quite depressing for a blog about a team as good as they are without making any significant moves.

P'cola Brave

December 5th, 2011
4:36 pm

Not sure it matters to much what the Braves do for attendance. Besides September the Braves were one of the top teams in baseball and attendance still fell from 2010. Even if they made a big move it would likely only draw a few more thousand the first few weeks and then taper off like usual.

David O'Brien

December 5th, 2011
4:37 pm

Heard today that Braves initially were interested in talking to Dave Magadan about hitting-coach job, but Red Sox wouldn’t give permission. It was after season, when Sox were in transition period waiting to hire new manager (Magadan was still under contract, but at the time no one was certain whom new manager would want to retain.)

flange1

December 5th, 2011
4:38 pm

Where there is smoke, there is probably a fire.

Not sure, but Colby Rasmus and his Dad are not easy folks to get along with.

I would pass on Colby unless we could get him REAL cheap

P'cola Brave

December 5th, 2011
4:38 pm

I’d be willing to bet if the Braves leave the meetings without making a move the FIRE WREN stuff starts up all over again. Or Wren is an idiot. All that good stuff.

ncscoots

December 5th, 2011
4:38 pm

Wow you diss Rasmus

Geez, gotta stay on point here, LOL. The “diss” comes from the idea of trading Prado for Rasmus, not Rasmus’ tools. The probability of Rasmus suddenly seeing the light in Atlanta and harnessing his tools into skills is simply lower than that of Prado reverting to his .300/.800 form. That makes it a bad trade.

If you’re going to trade the guy, you have to have a great deal of confidence that the new player can significantly outperform the old one. Rasmus simply can’t give you that, regardless of his ceiling.

Murph

December 5th, 2011
4:39 pm

I wonder if Daniel Murphy could be had relatively cheaply? Sounds like he’s available and he plays multiple positions including LF and 3B.

Efrim

December 5th, 2011
4:39 pm

Free agent lefty C.J. Wilson has a six-year offer in hand from a team other than the Rangers, reports Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

What’s he waiting for?

Kat

December 5th, 2011
4:39 pm

Loved the back and forth with Moylo & Kroeger about the Foo (had to scroll back up for his last name.. cuz who would really know that w/o looking it up?).

And the Foo does rock, who doesn’t love them?

raleighbravefan

December 5th, 2011
4:40 pm

Nick – Braves will lose 90+ ???? I’ll take that bet right now, and we don’t even have a SS yet. Of course, you won’t really back it up, because you are full of shi………err……stuff. So full, I bet your eyes are brown.

BravoMan

December 5th, 2011
4:40 pm

P’cola Brave

You’re right on the money. For as good of a team as the Braves were last year our attendance blew.

David O'Brien

December 5th, 2011
4:40 pm

Negative, negative, negative that’s all I ever see on this blog.

Quite depressing for a blog about a team as good as they are without making any significant moves. — BravoMan

It’s something, ain’t it? Tone this offseason is even more negative than usual on the blog. Oh, well.

Efrim

December 5th, 2011
4:40 pm

I still haven’t seen where the Braves were interested in Colby Rasmus. All I saw was Blue jays and no match.

CB

December 5th, 2011
4:42 pm

Well, anybody ready for a Johnny Damon rumor?

ncscoots

December 5th, 2011
4:42 pm

I still haven’t seen where the Braves were interested in Colby Rasmus.

Killjoy. :-)

Lollygagger

December 5th, 2011
4:42 pm

Prado seems the more likely candidate to be moved, but I still wonder if he’s as valuable to other teams as he is to a Braves team that would have to replace him both in LF and as Chipper’s third-base backup. -DOB

Perfectly stated. Welcome back to the Atlanta OF in 2012, Marteen. Oh, and don’t forget your infield glove, too.

extremus

December 5th, 2011
4:42 pm

If the Braves more or less stand pat with their current personnel going into next season, they could easily find themselves leapfrogged by both the Nationals AND Marlins, going by how aggressively those two franchises are pursuing change within their organizations. Combined with the still-very-bitter memory of the Braves’ September collapse this past season, Frank Wren would be making an ENORMOUS mistake from the fans’ standpoint if that happens.

Not that I think he’s going to do so, but the fact is it’s always OTHER teams (including some that have gone through very difficult times and are now HUNGRY) that are making the “big moves” each winter, Dan Uggla notwithstanding (and we know how that’s gone so far). I’m not saying to trade the farm or pay a ridiculous amount for a free agent (see: Mike Hampton, Derek Lowe, Kenshin Kawakami, etc, etc…), but in all honesty if the Braves are to make moves that will TRULY help them in the long-term they’re almost certainly going to have to give up current players the fans won’t like parting with. It’s a two-edged sword, to be sure, but it’s WAY better than what will likely happen if the Braves do nothing at all of note this offseason.

Big wheel

December 5th, 2011
4:42 pm

DAP- they are a no talent, waste of noise space. All of their songs are the SAME, and if you pay attention- a novice could play along. DOB was going easy on them by saying middle of the road band. He knows theyre a disgrace.

MIBravesFan

December 5th, 2011
4:43 pm

Thanks for the new blog and song, DOB. Interesting reading, as always.

Bat Masterson

December 5th, 2011
4:45 pm

Tone this offseason is even more negative than usual on the blog. Oh, well.

Not from me. Stick someone at short and play ball.

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Lollygagger

December 5th, 2011
4:46 pm

Can David Ross play SS? :)

ncscoots

December 5th, 2011
4:48 pm

they could easily find themselves leapfrogged by both the Nationals AND Marlins,

“Easily”, the man says. By one team that signed a SS and a closer, when starting pitching is the black hole on their team; and by another that, so far, has made even fewer moves than the Braves.

Doomed, Gulliver.

extremus

December 5th, 2011
4:48 pm

The (increased) negativity might tend to happen when an 8 1/2 game September lead becomes watching the playoffs from home and you see a team whose body language looks ready for it to be over two weeks before the last game. Then again, seeing how such a collapse is kind of historic there’s not too much evidence to show how that might affect a fanbase. Perhaps if the Braves regale us with another such collapse this season we’ll have more data to base such a correspondence with increased negativity on the boards here upon.

David O'Brien

December 5th, 2011
4:48 pm

DAP- they are a no talent, waste of noise space. All of their songs are the SAME, and if you pay attention- a novice could play along. DOB was going easy on them by saying middle of the road band. He knows theyre a disgrace. — Big wheel

What he said.

Bat Masterson

December 5th, 2011
4:49 pm

Sure Ross can play SS, not gonna have any range though. What the hell, suit him up and lets play a game.

ncscoots

December 5th, 2011
4:49 pm

Can David Ross play SS?

He could start for 27 other ML teams.

Oh, wait…

Big wheel

December 5th, 2011
4:50 pm

We won’t be competing as long as Barney Rubble is still managing this team. Otherwise I think well be fine. I’d like to see JV flipped for a solid UT IF and 3 or 4 star prospect.

extremus

December 5th, 2011
4:50 pm

@ncscoots,

No disrespect, but I don’t think the Marlins are done making moves yet. As for the Nats, they have Bryce Harper, a healthy Strausburg, and other weapons on the way, and they could still make moves as well. I’m just saying that you don’t see that kind of buzz around Atlanta anymore come the winter meetings.

BravoMan

December 5th, 2011
4:50 pm

After all that’s gone on in Miami lately I really am glad when I picked the Braves as my team to follow. A team built on tradition and fundamental ideas with a great history.

A team with a well-respected front office with business men and baseball men that are a class act. The same can be said for the players.

What I’m getting at is we don’t have Hanley Rameriz or Jose Reyes personalities on our team. We’ve got a team that, to my understanding, is built around each other and not one or two superstars.

Plus our front office doesn’t have the shadow that Miami has right now with their new stadium financial controversy. SEC’s on their butts now.

Elonbrave

December 5th, 2011
4:50 pm

Would the Braves consider selling super-high on Venters given the innings he has compiled and the reality that he’s already had one Tommy John surgery?

Bobby's Cox

December 5th, 2011
4:51 pm

Do. Not. Trade. Martin. Prado.

ncscoots

December 5th, 2011
4:52 pm

I’m just saying that you don’t see that kind of buzz around Atlanta anymore come the winter meetings.

Maybe that’s because the Braves don’t have the holes to fill that other teams have. Ever think of that? Kinda hard to create “buzz” when you already have a pretty good team.

Bat Masterson

December 5th, 2011
4:52 pm

Would the Braves consider selling super-high on Venters given the innings he has compiled and the reality that he’s already had one Tommy John surgery?

Yes

Elonbrave

December 5th, 2011
4:55 pm

I would hate to see him go, but the return could be nice.

Mikeyc588

December 5th, 2011
4:55 pm

From Wikipedia:

In November 2011, users of the music-oriented dating site, Tastebuds.fm voted Nickelback as the number one musical turnoff, edging out Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga.

Gone Viral

December 5th, 2011
4:56 pm

“you want the Braves to commit years to an aging OF’er who has a bad back and hits .246 when he does play”

Mentioning batting average as a data point in 2011 is the equivalent of discussing a rotary dial telephone. In a phone booth. Do you want to talk about the new song from England Dan and John Ford Coley, too?

What you failed to mention is that solid .810 OPS of his, which was 26 points lower than his delicious .836 OPS. And that is a number that would have led the Braves in 2011. The .810 would have been third on the team, ahead of Uggla or Freeman. So…

Thank God you’re not the official debater for the Braves blog at AJC.

Murph

December 5th, 2011
4:57 pm

Nickelback vs Coldplay… who wins in a fight?

Peter

December 5th, 2011
4:57 pm

I’ll play SS. Had a pretty good eye in Little League, over .700 OBP. :D

CB

December 5th, 2011
4:58 pm

How do you put a value on an absolute shutdown lefty? It would have to be good and it would be interesting what offers they might receive.

Elonbrave

December 5th, 2011
4:59 pm

Nickelback and their music are just… cheap. That’s the only word I can think of to describe them. And they seem to take themselves very seriously.

nolie

December 5th, 2011
4:59 pm

Thank God you’re not evaluating talent for the Braves….BravePack

so you are onea them batting average stooges? thank goodness YOU ain’t evaluating talent for the Braves. if you compare Rasmus and his mediocre OPS to Swisher’s which is much higher for a much longer time.
and you should learn to argue with insulting others who have not attacked you. of course once someone does attack all bets are off ;)

Gone Viral

December 5th, 2011
4:59 pm

“Nickelback vs Coldplay… who wins in a fight?”

Society.

Elonbrave

December 5th, 2011
5:00 pm

Coldplay wins that fight any day. They’re soft and unlikeable, but they’re still creative.

Lollygagger

December 5th, 2011
5:00 pm

Wren knows when to hold ‘em. Knows when to fold ‘em. Knows when to walk away. And knows when to run.
The only one of those he’s doing so far is holding on to Braves’ current players coveted by other teams…meaning he’s still got three things left to do. Hold on, it’s gonna be a fun month or two before Wren is in a full-out sprint getting away from opposing GMs before they realize what hit them.

BravePack

December 5th, 2011
5:01 pm

ncscoots

December 5th, 2011
4:38 pm
Wow you diss Rasmus

Geez, gotta stay on point here, LOL. The “diss” comes from the idea of trading Prado for Rasmus, not Rasmus’ tools. The probability of Rasmus suddenly seeing the light in Atlanta and harnessing his tools into skills is simply lower than that of Prado reverting to his .300/.800 form. That makes it a bad trade.

If you’re going to trade the guy, you have to have a great deal of confidence that the new player can significantly outperform the old one. Rasmus simply can’t give you that, regardless of his ceiling.

I could care less if the Braves trade Prado, in fact I like Prado and believe he is a good hitter, but unreliable. If the Braves were going to make a move I sure as he!! wouldn’t want it to be for Seth Smith and prospects who may never pan out in the Majors. Rasmus had a pretty good season in 2010 so there is potential. nolie and Gone Viral were saying Rasmus is worthless yet they wanted the Braves to go after Josh f’n Willingham, a .246 hitter whose best mediocre years are behind him with a bad back and terrible defense. I hardly think they are ones to be judging ML talent if they see Willingham as a fit in LF for the Braves.

DS1

December 5th, 2011
5:01 pm

I’d give Willingham a 2-3 year deal. He’s had some back issues, but when he’s in the lineup, he hits.

ncscoots

December 5th, 2011
5:02 pm

How do you put a value on an absolute shutdown lefty?

Nearly impossible to get that kind of value. He’s almost always worth more to you than a trading partner because all you can really receive is future value, while giving up present value. That puts a premium on your asset that few are willing to pay.

Chris

December 5th, 2011
5:03 pm

man, it sure doesnt seem like the first day of winter meetings….. sure, the braves will have a competitive team out there, but hate to see delgado, minor, or teheran stay in the minors while the club doesnt trade to get better on an already improving NL East.

DS1

December 5th, 2011
5:04 pm

BravePack

How many other available OF’er have a career OPS of .836? And a career OBP of .361.

Willingham takes walks, and hits for power.

nolie

December 5th, 2011
5:05 pm

guy has one bad year after three straight within 20 OPS points of each other and he is now unreliable when compared to Rasmus whos OPS has been all over the damn place in three years? This is logic?

nolie

December 5th, 2011
5:06 pm

BravesPack is livin’ in the 70s

BravePack

December 5th, 2011
5:06 pm

nolie

If we are talking about Swisher I like him better than Rasmus but you and Viral made comments about Willingham signing with the Rays and the Braves not going after him. If you were serious than I can’t agree with anything you say as far as what this Braves team needs. I highly doubt the Spankees would give the Braves Swisher for Prado.

P'cola Brave

December 5th, 2011
5:07 pm

•The Twins, Nationals, Marlins, and Rangers are in on Buehrle, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, but the Twins’ offer is not as strong as the others. The other teams are believed to be in the three-year, $36-39MM range. Yesterday, we learned that Buehrle is the Nationals’ top target and the Marlins have made him a strong offer. The inclusion of a no-trade clause will be a factor.

DS1

December 5th, 2011
5:07 pm

I’d have to get a couple of pretty darned good prospects for a guy like everyday Jonny.

Nah, that ain’t happening in my neighborhood.

Now if we could get Wilson Betemit and Willingham, I’d deal Prado for Seth Smith and one of those young CF’ers. But otherwise, no thanks on dealing Marteen.

CB

December 5th, 2011
5:08 pm

Nothing wrong with the 70s,nolie. Sure beats worrying about everything we have to worry about in the 10s. lol

P'cola Brave

December 5th, 2011
5:08 pm

DS1

I’m suprised the Braves haven’t shown more interest in Willingham. Seems his name comes up every year in trade talks with us. Two years ago I would have figured the Braves to be all over him once he hit FA since the asking price for him has always been high in trade talk.

Gone Viral

December 5th, 2011
5:09 pm

BravesPack, you’re going to love the new episode of Love Boat.

nolie

December 5th, 2011
5:10 pm

Willingham is a better hitter than Rasmus too and not a jackass either

Murph

December 5th, 2011
5:10 pm

What will Willingham cost? $7-8mil per for 3+ years?

DS1

December 5th, 2011
5:10 pm

P’cola

Yeah, I figured we’d be all over him this winter.

DB Cooper

December 5th, 2011
5:10 pm

Regarding the negativity and cynicism…I used to post here quite often as “Glass Half Full” during the bad years (2006-2008), but it just became too much with the “fire sale” talk after every loss and the ridiculous trade scenarios. I check in reguarly for DOB updates, but I have to skim past alot of the comments. We didn’t know how blessed we were in the 1990s and early 2000s regardless of the # of championships we won. The Braves will be fine in 2012. Wild Card team? Probably.

Lollygagger

December 5th, 2011
5:11 pm

I think Swisher would be great in lineup and even better in clubhouse. Too expensive, though, unless Yankers would kick in some cash.

old man

December 5th, 2011
5:11 pm

Venters could clearly be part of a deal, IMHO. He’s great, but we need a LFer and SS.

RC

December 5th, 2011
5:11 pm

The Braves have never seemed to show any interest in Willingham when it seemed like he would be a natural target for them, and I don’t mean just this offseason. I wonder if the team’s internal evalution of him is that he’s not as good of a player as the publicly available metrics seem to imply. It’s either that or they have been pulling a 3-year smokescreen to hide their interest in him.

masivatack

December 5th, 2011
5:11 pm

“Nickelback vs Coldplay… who wins in a fight?”

Anyone who is watching!

RC

December 5th, 2011
5:12 pm

For the record, Cody Ross is reportedly seeking a 3-year deal. If that’s the case, I’m thinking that free agencey may not be the place we want to find an OF.

(For that matter, Laynce Nix got 2-guaranteed years from Philly. WTF?)

nolie

December 5th, 2011
5:13 pm

we could go back to the late 50s and not worry about anything at all CB ;)

BravePack

December 5th, 2011
5:13 pm

I can’t believe you guys want Wren to sign an aging, broke career .260 hitter with terrible defense who can’t stay on the field to a multi-year deal. What the heck are you smoking? I think you’re living in the 70’s. I don’t care what the guys OPS % is or has been, you guys take that stuff way to seriously as baseball fact kinda like Shaun. You’d rather have Willingham than Rasmus in LF all things considered? Like I said thank God you guys aren’t evaluating talent.

Lollygagger

December 5th, 2011
5:13 pm

Coldplay would win by forfeit- Nickelback would never hit girls. :)

Murph

December 5th, 2011
5:14 pm

Coldplay would win by forfeit- Nickelback would never hit girls.

LOL… too funny.

RC

December 5th, 2011
5:14 pm

“Nickelback vs Coldplay… who wins in a fight?”

Music lovers everywhere?

DS1

December 5th, 2011
5:14 pm

I just wanted to announce that I am seeking a 4 year deal with twice the money that Murph is getting; and with a no trade clause.

Seeking………………… a magical word with agents.

Later folks

Gone Viral

December 5th, 2011
5:15 pm

RC, I think it’s exactly the same situation as Javier Vazquez. We were always interested in him but it took many years to finally find a situation where we could get him at a fair price. The Braves wouldn’t be linked to Willingham this often if there were no interest. We probably are just too broke to pay what he’ll get on the open market. This is another moment where Braves fans fill up a swear jar thinking about Liberty Media.

DS1

December 5th, 2011
5:16 pm

BravesPack

You just told us all we need to know.

Engage the scroll button…………..

Gone Viral

December 5th, 2011
5:16 pm

“I don’t care what the guys OPS % is or has been”

And that’s why nobody is taking you seriously.

nolie

December 5th, 2011
5:16 pm

i think at least some of it is his mediocre defense RC, but it is kinda funny ; he has been an affordable guy for what he brings to the game, decent OBP and OPS.

One-Eyed Mac

December 5th, 2011
5:17 pm

Has there been a progress report on Hanson’s rehab?

P'cola Brave

December 5th, 2011
5:17 pm

I don’t think its unreasonable to think that Cody Ross would end up with a two year deal. I think hes very likely to get that.

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