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Efrim
November 30th, 2011
4:22 pm
Mike Newman brought up the McCutchen trade on Fangraphs yesterday: Teheran, Vizcaino, Pastornicky and a 4th player.
Now Huntington is listening…..
still wouldn’t do it. But he didn’t hang up almost instantaneously. From the Braves standpoint, that’s a ton to give up, but Cutch is awesome….
Ward
November 30th, 2011
4:22 pm
All it’s getting near……..Let’s hope something good comes out of this.We need to get into the Play-Offs next season. Anything else is un-civilized,and unaccepted……peace all……
cricket
November 30th, 2011
4:25 pm
Do your really think Wren will let Bourn go?
Bourn is too fast for Wren to stop him
Efrim
November 30th, 2011
4:27 pm
McCann, Chipper and Heyward drive page hits here big time. Prado and a Jurrjens trade would get ya up there as well.
Beltran for two years and 25 million = 650 posts of “Hell yeah” from Efrim.
DS1
November 30th, 2011
4:28 pm
Bourn is a scrawny dude though. If Wren catches him by surprise, I’d think he could pin him down………….
RC
November 30th, 2011
4:29 pm
Everybody remember the old-man manager in “The Natural”, played by Wilford Brimley? Brimley was only FOURTY-NINE when that movie came out! Even crazier? Robert Redford was 47.
I think Brimley came out of the womb looking like Benjamin Button.
Lew
November 30th, 2011
4:30 pm
I really hopew Prado is NOT traded. Too valuable given that it would take two players to replace him and given that we know he has an extremely strong work ethic and tons of pride, he’ll be back with a vengeance.
DS1
November 30th, 2011
4:30 pm
and 3-4 pages of “Amen!” from DS1
RC
November 30th, 2011
4:30 pm
Bourn is a scrawny dude though. If Wren catches him by surprise, I’d think he could pin him down…………
Wren is going to catch him using a giant catapult that he got from a box with “ACME” on the side.
DS1
November 30th, 2011
4:33 pm
Efrim
If the Pirates are listening, I think I’d have to at least look into Andrew M.
But I don’t think I’d include Bethancourt.
CB
November 30th, 2011
4:36 pm
And a couple hallelujahs from CB!
TnBrian
November 30th, 2011
4:36 pm
Efrim, I’d give that up for McCutchen as long as that 4th player wasn’t another top prospect and/or one of our better players with the big club. We’d still have deep pitching and could find somebody to fill in at SS until Simmons is ready. McCutchen hasn’t even hit his prime yet. His best years are stil ahead imo. You could let Bourn walk after ‘12 and throw AM there who is just as good, if not a better CF.
Listen to me, getting excited over nothing. That teams top officia person just said they aret trading McCutchen anyways.
Lew
November 30th, 2011
4:42 pm
If we were top get McCutcheon, it would be about five minutes before someone was here griping about how much he’d ost us in arbitration next year (and going forward) and try to get him traded since his value was as high as it ever would be.
Jbailz
November 30th, 2011
4:44 pm
How nice would it be to have Bourn and McCutch in the same OF? I know it won’t happen but DANG that’d be fun to watch. I’d probably HAVE to get the Extra Innings Package if that happened. Heyward isn’t exactly a slouch defensively either, if he can get his confidence back
ncscoots
November 30th, 2011
4:46 pm
How nice would it be to have Bourn and McCutch in the same OF?
One year together, and their value would never be higher.
DS1
November 30th, 2011
4:46 pm
With Frank Wren’s unpredictability, it is really going to be interesting to see which way he goes this winter.
After the debacle of an off season of 2008, I think that at times he is allusive to maybe throw off the other 29 GM’s.
It’s going to be a fun week next week four shore.
Arkansas Transplant
November 30th, 2011
4:46 pm
Still like my trade options, then sign Beltran to play LF.
Pastor, ss
Heyward, rf
Chipper, 3rd
Uggla, 2nd
McCann, c
Beltran, lf
Heyward, rf
Jackson, cf
Hudson
Wilson
Hanson
Beachy
Minor
Kimbrel
Venters
Crow
EOF
Efrim
November 30th, 2011
4:49 pm
Imagine the value of McCutchen and Heyward…….wait for it……
at bat at the same time……
BOOM!!!(universe explodes)
DS1
November 30th, 2011
4:50 pm
AT
Ain’t happening buddy. Bourn is here for 2012. And in your lineup, no way does Uggla hit 4th with Beltran hitting 6th.
ncscoots
November 30th, 2011
4:52 pm
BOOM!!!(universe explodes)
Value would be so high as to blind all other GMs to even the possibility.
My gosh, with McCutchen, the value of the whole dang team may never be higher.
So, as soon as they acquire the guy, they should trade the entire 25-man. Ergo.
Arkansas Transplant
November 30th, 2011
4:52 pm
DS1, yeah but I’m dreaming BIG. I’d be okay with moving Beltran up and Uggla down.
Lew
November 30th, 2011
4:53 pm
No way does Beltran ever play for the Braves. Wren isn’t gpoing to take chances on expensive players with an injury history.
DS1
November 30th, 2011
4:56 pm
AT
I’m afraid your plan for Jackson is not going to come to fruition. Just trying to let you down easy.
Why would Detroit do that deal?
ncscoots
November 30th, 2011
4:57 pm
You could let Bourn walk after ‘12 and throw AM there who is just as good, if not a better CF.
Yeah, except that there won’t be much trade currency left to find a LF and 3B, huh?
Maybe Adam Milligan stays healthy.
RC
November 30th, 2011
4:58 pm
AT
Ain’t happening buddy. Bourn is here for 2012. And in your lineup, no way does Uggla hit 4th with Beltran hitting 6th.
Pastornicky is leading off in this lineup, and you are concerned about Uggla and Beltran being 4 and 6?
IF Pastornicky starts this season as the Braves starting SS, he will bat 8th. IF he bats anywhere else, I will have to seriously think about not attending another Braves game until Fredi G. is gone.
McFann O O o
November 30th, 2011
4:58 pm
Bat M. Heap’s a good topic to drive page hits. Not to mention one that will bring out the stupid constituency and give them an opportunity to show off such.
You got that right…
DS1
November 30th, 2011
4:59 pm
We are all forgetting one key ingredient to our lineup. “Georgie” Constanza! Georgie is going to solve all our lineup problems.
IABrave
November 30th, 2011
5:07 pm
Constanza plays for the Twins
rugburn
November 30th, 2011
5:12 pm
whatever else we do, we need to send uggla to spring training next week so that he’ll be ready to hit by april. that would have fixed alot of problems last year.
NickB
November 30th, 2011
5:22 pm
I really am not in favor of re-signing Bourn if he wants anything more than 3 yrs $24-25 mill (and he will). As pointed out above, his entire game is based on speed and defense. His hitting is okay for a CF’er, but I fear that any team that offers him 5 years $50mill+ is going to regret those last 2 years.
KK
November 30th, 2011
5:24 pm
First
Patrick
November 30th, 2011
5:34 pm
The rumor mill seems rather quiet with the winter meetings coming up next week
TnBrian
November 30th, 2011
5:54 pm
Imagine this
Bourn
McCutchen
Jones
Uggla
McCann
Freeman
Heyward
SS-??
TnBrian
November 30th, 2011
5:58 pm
Not that it’d happen anyways, but getting McCutchen definitely won’t happen now with us yappin about him. Wren surprises even the best like DOB, Lew and nolie. I bet he does it again.
jeffrey d
November 30th, 2011
6:19 pm
Wren surprises even the best like DOB, Lew and nolie. I bet he does it again.
AP – Atlanta GM Frank Wren trades Braves’ entire starting outfield for Wrigley Field’s ivy.
“I just think it looks neat,” Wren reported.
Alex BYE BYE Baby
November 30th, 2011
6:38 pm
I think it would be a mistake to sign McCann long term. His most recent production has shown that he is regressing somewhat.
They really need to get a power hitting LF.
jeffrey d
November 30th, 2011
6:38 pm
Okay, that didn’t really happen guys….you can come back
Steve from OH
November 30th, 2011
6:38 pm
Maybe Adam Milligan stays healthy.
Scoots, you read my mind.
So what’s this McCutchen thing? I haven’t read the blog.
Alex BYE BYE Baby
November 30th, 2011
6:43 pm
Trading Teheran,Vizcaino,and Pastornicky (3 future all-stars) for one McCuthchen would be beyong retarded ! I wouldn’t trade Teheran straight up for McCutchen.
jeffrey d
November 30th, 2011
6:44 pm
I really don’t think Pastornicky will be an All Star
Alex BYE BYE Baby
November 30th, 2011
6:47 pm
3 to 5 years from now Pastornicky IS projected to be an all-star type player. So you think he will not get better and develop more power ? He should….
Alex BYE BYE Baby
November 30th, 2011
6:50 pm
Teheran was voted THE BEST pitcher in all of the minor leagues. That means he’s expected to be a young version of Roger Clemens,Nolan Ryan,Greg Maddux. You wouldn’t trade either of those three for McCutchen straight up.
Efrim
November 30th, 2011
6:56 pm
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/18804/who-says-no-braves-or-red-sox
This just kills Schoenfield’s cred. Minor for Jed Lowrie? Who says no? Are you kidding me?
I thought it was an error and it was Mike Minor for Brett Lawrie.
VaBravesFan
November 30th, 2011
6:57 pm
Alex
Your nuts..I’d trade any one of them straight up for McCutchen..Hell I’d trade Vizciano and Pastornicky for him. There prospects, regardless of what there rated and projected to do they dont always pan out. McCutchen is a proven 25 year old All Star who is under control til 2016. Talking about a guy who is good at every aspect of the game and only getting better.
Jbailz
November 30th, 2011
6:58 pm
So you won’t trade McCutchen who is a 5 tool player and has proven himself in the BIG leagues for Pastornicky, who may someday be an all star, and two top prospects that haven’t done anything in the BIG leagues? I’d do it in a heartbeat, McCutchen is what Jason Heyward is supposed to be but with more speed.
Jbailz
November 30th, 2011
6:58 pm
VA – You beat me to it!!!
Efrim
November 30th, 2011
6:59 pm
The Rockies are close to signing Ramon Hernandez to a two-year deal and trading Chris Iannetta to the Angels, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter). Tyler Chatwood should be going from the Angels to the Rockies in the deal, according to Troy Renck of the Denver Post (on Twitter). Teams are now examining medicals.
Yay. Hot stove getting warmer.
VaBravesFan
November 30th, 2011
7:00 pm
Efrim
Yeah lol, during the chat he did see the bigger picture and realized it wouldnt be good deal for Atlanta. Most consider Mike Minor nothing special a pure back end guy so there not gonna value him high
BFChris27
November 30th, 2011
7:00 pm
Rockies close to signing Ramon Hernandez to a 2 year deal and sending Chris Ianetta to Angels for Tyler Chatwood.
I would think, Rockies could be getting Tyler Chatwood and possibly spinning him in another deal, Chatwood is friends with Hanson I think? Well, perhaps Prado for Chatwood and a CF perhaps?
jeffrey d
November 30th, 2011
7:01 pm
I’d trade McCutchen for Pastornicky and one of the big 3 pitching prospects. But not two of them.
And if I’m the Pirates’ GM, there’s no way I’d accept that trade.
Efrim
November 30th, 2011
7:02 pm
Rockies still need more pitching, imo. Chacin, Hammel, and three holes. I guess Pomeranz, Chatwood and Nicasio could take those spots though…
VaBravesFan
November 30th, 2011
7:05 pm
Rockies should be interested in Jurrjens you think. They need ground ball pitchers in that park.
jeffrey d
November 30th, 2011
7:10 pm
Rockies should be interested in Jurrjens you think. They need ground ball pitchers in that park.
Maybe we can trade back for Lowe and then offer him for that 3B prospect Arenado
VaBravesFan
November 30th, 2011
7:12 pm
Depending on if teams had interest in Simmons or Pastornicky, I’d consider trading Mike Minor for Jose Iglesias. Slick Fielding Shortstop from the RedSox who will start the year in AAA.
Efrim
November 30th, 2011
7:15 pm
I don’t see Rockies dealing for Jurrjens. We’d want Nolan.
We made the September 2007 Mets look like the 1927 Yankees
November 30th, 2011
7:22 pm
The late Bill Walsh once said, “it’s better to trade a player a year early…than a year late”.
If the Braves were to trade McCann, now would be the best time to do it. With 2 years left on his contract (2013 option year will be picked up no doubt)…the Braves could command a premium package from a team like the Yankees.
Braves fans, like it or not….McCann is perfect for the American League. He could still catch most of the time…however, on his off days behind the plate, he could DH (meaning that his productive bat wont be out of the lineup).
McCann can flat out hit. However, with the demands of the catching position requiring more days off during the season than other positions…..it hurts our line-up having our cleanup hitter (5th against lefties) not start 30 games a season (assuming he doesnt get injured). Most other teams can pencil their middle of the order bashers to play around 150 games a season (again, assuming injury doesnt occur).
If McCann played in the American League, he could easily start 150+ games a year (whether catching or DHing). Imagine his stats if he didnt have to rest 30 games a year.
Buster Posey can play 1st (meaning that the Giants can still have his bat in the lineup when he’s not catching)…Joe Mauer can also DH in the AL for the Twins. But with McCann seemingly unable or unwilling to play another position…..the logical thing to do would be to trade him to the American League while his value is still high.
I actually like what McCann brings to the Braves lineup (minus his shacky defense). I just feel that it would be a bad investment for the Braves to potentially pay someone $15 mil plus…….whose a guarantee to miss AT LEAST 30 games a year (starting, not including pinch hitting appearances)….assuming he stays healthy. It would be a huge mistake to cater to sentimental Braves fans…just because they have an insatiable need to feel good about and stay attached to their favorite players.
This is a business (making money and winning). The Braves would be foolish to not at least explore the option of trading McCann this off season.
Sam
November 30th, 2011
7:25 pm
Amazing video of a high school senior from Columbia TN who kicks the ball dead straight 75-80 yards in the air. He was successful on 54 of 54 attempts this season….100%. Now he needs a college team. Wants to go to Georgia Tech!!!
Watch for yourself…it is unreal!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_JKwgwFY3g
old man
November 30th, 2011
7:29 pm
The talk about McCutch has my heart pumping. If you look at our young arms, we have Tehran, Viz, DelGado, Minor, Gilmartin, (I think I’m missing one or two–help me out here guys) and to us we look at them as a group. But the coaches up and down the organization see them a ton, and see them as very different pitchers, and at any given time have them ranked pretty high and low in relation to each other. So if we traded two of them as part of a package for McCutch, we might be trading the “bottom two” of the bunch, and none of us would appreciate that fact.
So I absolutely do not rule out including two of our young arms as part of a deal.
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
7:30 pm
I smell a blockbuster brewing!
McFann O O o
November 30th, 2011
7:34 pm
It would be a huge mistake to cater to sentimental Braves fans…just because they have an insatiable need to feel good about and stay attached to their favorite players.
Our GM really doesn’t wanna antagonize me…
old man
November 30th, 2011
7:39 pm
JoeBrave:
And how does it smell?
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
7:40 pm
McFat? Trade? Where do I sign up for that??? J/K McFann
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
7:41 pm
Smells like the McCutcheon smokescreen might be workin there old man, Maybe McCann to the Angels? I don’t know but one of thirty teams will bust one off…
old man
November 30th, 2011
7:44 pm
Well it will take at least two of the thirty teams, right?
Will we be one of the two?
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
7:46 pm
old man, on a blockbuster? I doubt it. but who knows? Wren has been known to pull one outta his rump a time or two! He has fleeced so many other GM’s he may have a hard time dealing.
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
7:47 pm
only one is needed say… if the Cubs sign Pujols, now there is a blockbuster without another team.
McFann O O o
November 30th, 2011
7:49 pm
JoeBrave—
Yeah, you’re kidding alright!!
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
7:49 pm
at the moment there are ony 2 GM’s running around like their hair is on fire, DiPoto, and that moron in Florida!
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
7:51 pm
Had to rib ya a lil bit McFann!, I really don’t want McCann traded, but it may happen, and sooner than we think. that would be hard to take.
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
7:52 pm
I will spout a loogy name that is available, Wren should take a close look at Renyel Pinto!
McFann O O o
November 30th, 2011
7:53 pm
JoeBrave—
Yeah, it would…I’d like to think FW wouldn’t do it, but I guess ya never know…
Pcola Brave
November 30th, 2011
7:56 pm
Efrim
Did you say earlier the Braves made a proposal for McCutchen?
richbrave
November 30th, 2011
7:57 pm
McFANN:
What’s your take on McCANN being traded over an extension?
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
7:58 pm
hmmmm….
McFann O O o
November 30th, 2011
8:02 pm
richbrave—
Wait…seriously?
Well…I try not to use that kind of language…
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
8:03 pm
McCann, would look spiffy in Pinstripes tho’
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
8:04 pm
or Boston grey. or Dodger Blue!
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
8:06 pm
blood pressure up yet McFann?
cabravesfan
November 30th, 2011
8:08 pm
Mac WOULD NOT look good in Dodger Blue. Although I could offer to show him around town…suggest a nice little beach town to live in…a few good restaurants…
Bill M.
November 30th, 2011
8:12 pm
What if in two years, Bethancourt is ready for the big show ?? Would you keep him or pay McCann 15 Mil ? Any good business person would take Bethancourt. He will not be traded anytime soon. To be fair to McCann, the pitcher’s are the problem when he’s trying to throw out a runner. I believe the Braves staff is the worst holding runners.
McFann O O o
November 30th, 2011
8:12 pm
BMac would look awful in any uni other than a Braves uni.
JoeBrave—
Not unless this were to get really serious…
McFann O O o
November 30th, 2011
8:14 pm
Bill M. Any good business person would take Bethancourt.
Well, that kills any thoughts I would have ever had about starting my own business…
Jerry
November 30th, 2011
8:22 pm
My personal opinion is not a popular one, but if I were the Braves, I would take the option on McCann in 2013 and after the season is over I would say bye bye to him and go with Bethancourt. That is unless Bethancourt becomes major league ready before that. McCann breaking down late in the season is getting old and his defense got old long ago. Of course, if the Mayans were right about the end of 2012, it’s not gonna matter, will it?
jeffrey d
November 30th, 2011
8:28 pm
The Maya calendar ends at 2012. They never said the world was going to end.
McFann O O o
November 30th, 2011
8:29 pm
jeffrey d They never said the world was going to end.
If BMac is kicked out, it might…
jeffrey d
November 30th, 2011
8:30 pm
He won’t be “kicked” out. If A-Gon got a standing ovation, McCann would get a freaking parade
cabravesfan
November 30th, 2011
8:32 pm
I love that so many people on the blog seem to know better about Mac’s defense than the baseball people that rank him so highly. Also, that they are willing to put their trust at the most difficult position in baseball in the hands of someone that has not played above High A ball yet.
McFann O O o
November 30th, 2011
8:34 pm
jeffrey d—
That’s true…although I meant the GM would be kicking him out—the players might light some candles like the Pirates did for McLouth…
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
8:34 pm
go cab go!!! getem! I am just foolin with mcFann about Mac, I sure don’t want him gone, I shudder to think what anemic offense this Team would have without him!
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
8:35 pm
McFann, I just can’t picture Hoss, and Uggla lighting candles.. hmmm… NAH!
cabravesfan
November 30th, 2011
8:36 pm
JoeBrave-
I know you just like to stir things up a bit
But just to warn you…McFann’s wrath is not something you want to become a target of…
jeffrey d
November 30th, 2011
8:36 pm
Well you have to understand where it’s coming from. McCann has given up a ton of SB
cabravesfan
November 30th, 2011
8:37 pm
Which, of course, is all his fault…
jeffrey d
November 30th, 2011
8:37 pm
the players might light some candles like the Pirates did for McLouth…
At least take him to a buffet
McFann O O o
November 30th, 2011
8:37 pm
cabravesfan—
I know, right?? Sheesh…
Funny how it goes in these 2-year cycles—Saltaliforgethowtospellit in 2007, Flowers in 2009 (right?), and now Bethancourt…2013 might be really scary…
cabravesfan
November 30th, 2011
8:37 pm
BTW, today is the 80th birthday of the legendary Coach Bill Walsh…changed the way the game was played…
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
8:38 pm
lol, cab, McFann is cool, besides Mac can’t go, He and I have something in common, we have an angel in Heaven.
McFann O O o
November 30th, 2011
8:39 pm
JoeBrave I just can’t picture Hoss, and Uggla lighting candles..
Oh, I cann…
cabravesfan McFann’s wrath is not something you want to become a target of…
True that…
jeffrey d At least take him to a buffet
Of course…one for the road…
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2011
8:39 pm
52 of those stolen bases rest squarely on the shoulders of one Tommy Hanson, that boy couldn’t hold a cow by the damn horns if it was sedated!
P'cola Brave
November 30th, 2011
8:39 pm
I threw the numbers out earlier. McCann threw out around 30% of baserunners when Lowe and Hanson were on the mound. With them he threw out aroun 10-11%.