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McFann O O o
December 2nd, 2011
3:31 pm
Lee in S GA I almost hate admitting it but “Home Alone” is a good Christmas movie also.
It’s a great Christmas movie…
“It’s a Wonderful Life”
“Bells of St. Mary’s”
“Elf”
“Home Alone”
Great stuff…can’t believe it’s been 8 years since Elf came out…
keyLargo
December 2nd, 2011
3:32 pm
It’s not every day we get to see pictures of blog members, but I had an inside source to get this one of Murph
http://mail.aol.com/35112-111/aol-6/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=31148921&folder=OldMail&partId=3
Murph
December 2nd, 2011
3:33 pm
Nothing was mentioned on Wren, getting him though.
I wouldn’t trade anything more than mid-level prospects for Wren… slow, old, can’t hit, can’t throw… not worth it at this point in his career.
Ward
December 2nd, 2011
3:35 pm
Rockies,and Tigers are interested in Prado,as of now. Could you see Delmon Young after all?
Ward
December 2nd, 2011
3:36 pm
Murph – I would hate see Carlos Bletran on The Shredder.
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
3:38 pm
Ya know what trade I could see as a shocker? Dom Brown for a starting pitcher. Amaro said he wants to play him for a full year in Triple-A. That’s ridiculous. They’re clearly down on him and while Vance Worley, Joe Blanton and Kyle Kendrick are good back of the rotation type options for the Phils, getting another starter would make them that much more scary. I’m not sure which starter, however John Danks or Gavin Floyd would make a lot of sense as the White Sox want to get younger. Just me thinking out loud.
ncscoots
December 2nd, 2011
3:39 pm
Man, there is never enough starting pitching to go around. All you have to do is look at some of 3-4-5 starters, in both leagues; there are a lot more guys who couldn’t make the Braves top 8 options, than the other way around.
This is a weak FA class for starters, there really aren’t that many trade possibilities, either. At least 9 teams that I can think of are looking for at least one quality starter, and there just ain’t enough to go around.
If Wren wants to shop Jurrjens, he’s right to ask for the moon, the stars, and top-ten prospects. The worst that can happen is that the guy pitches for you another season.
Murph
December 2nd, 2011
3:39 pm
It’s not every day we get to see pictures of blog members, but I had an inside source to get this one of Murph
Did you really just try to post an AOL email to the blog?
keyLargo: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0KHX_C0×7bE/TSEo-kr6KOI/AAAAAAAAABc/nfluE0DGYIM/s1600/baseball.jpg
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
3:44 pm
This is a weak FA class for starters, there really aren’t that many trade possibilities, either. At least 9 teams that I can think of are looking for at least one quality starter, and there just ain’t enough to go around.
If Wren wants to shop Jurrjens, he’s right to ask for the moon, the stars, and top-ten prospects. The worst that can happen is that the guy pitches for you another season.
Totally agree, scoots. And I don’t buy that Beane trades Gio or Cahill. I think one of Niemann or Wade Davis could go. Danks SHOULD go. And then there is Jair. We’ll see. I know there will be an insane amount of rumors around him and Prado next week and perhaps even this weekend as recently there has been a lot of movement on the eve of the Winter Meetings.
Bay Area Steve
December 2nd, 2011
3:46 pm
50% rate increase. Said I can revert to old rate if use ‘auto-pay’ with a credit card. After sixteen weeks, a 150% rate increase ‘pre-charged’ to my newly enrolled credit card.
I may have to stop being the only guy under 40 to take the paper…
TennesseePaul
December 2nd, 2011
3:48 pm
I just see a lot of the same type moves for middling player on the roster like Ellis, Uribe, Capuano. I know these are relatively minor loves, however he always goes this route it seems.
The guy has been seriously handicapped by a bankrupt owner who was pilfering the franchise coffer. That would lead to a lot of trades for low salary players. Without context most moves look bad. Wren paid a fortune for Kawakami and Lowe. He also handed out Uggla’s contract which many despise. But, when put in context they don’t look so awkward. … Except the Teixeira trade which looks asinine and amateurish at best. Teixeira for Kotchman. That is terrible.
TennesseePaul
December 2nd, 2011
3:49 pm
And I don’t buy that Beane trades Gio or Cahill.
I could see that. Bean moves guys when their value is “highest” and typically for long shots that never pan out.
Bay Area Steve
December 2nd, 2011
3:51 pm
not a big fan of this ‘jim’ cat, at least so far, but since y’all were on Venters, I think there’s something to this:
“the league began to figure him out — He got a lot of swinging strikes at pitches at the the ankles in the first half of the year — in the second half, many of those same pitches were taken for balls.”
I don’t think it was overuse that caused his fade. He was throwing the same stuff, with a bit less command, and getting hit when in the zone. He has to rely heavily on the sinker, ’cause he doesn’t throw enough strikes with the slider, and that sinker is not a difficult pitch to drive the other way for a RHer. I think he comes back to earth some this year…
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
3:52 pm
… Except the Teixeira trade which looks asinine and amateurish at best. Teixeira for Kotchman. That is terrible.
That made me laugh. Crying too, of course, but your comment made me laugh.
It’s almost as if Wren didn’t understand the process that he would of received two first round draft choices after offering arbitration to a Scott Boras client who later signed for 180 million dollars. I mean, “terrible” doesn’t even do it justice.
Venice Jim
December 2nd, 2011
3:52 pm
Jayson Stark
Marlins have made so little headway w/ Jose Reyes, they could make push to sign Aramis Ramirez.
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
3:54 pm
Bean moves guys when their value is “highest” and typically for long shots that never pan out.
That’s true, but I think he moves Bailey and holds on to the other two unless he gets blown away. They have no pitching in their system. It’s awful. They are full of corner outfielders and DH/1st baseman. Such an awkward system. Beane needs to move on. He’s been there too long and I almost feel like he has gotten bored.
Ward
December 2nd, 2011
3:54 pm
I bet Wren will make us wait until the end of next week. Just for torment,and he’ll either do some thing,or not.I hope it’s the do something?
TennesseePaul
December 2nd, 2011
3:55 pm
It’s almost as if Wren didn’t understand the process that he would of received two first round draft choices after offering arbitration to a Scott Boras client who later signed for 180 million dollars. I mean, “terrible” doesn’t even do it justice.
Every time I see those “worst trades in history” lists… they always list the wrong end of the Teixeira trade.
Bay Area Steve
December 2nd, 2011
3:55 pm
Dude had $120 million to work with, and gave $21 million to Juan Frickin’ Uribe. I think ’seriously handicapped’ might be an overstatement.
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
3:57 pm
VJ, thanks for that. Sounds like the Marlins are getting antsy and know that Reyes doesn’t have as many options as he thought. Be pretty amusing if he ended up back with the Mets for five years, 80 million.
TennesseePaul
December 2nd, 2011
3:57 pm
He’s been there too long and I almost feel like he has gotten bored.
Too many corner outfielders and not enough pitching and that makes you think he’s gotten bored? I would have cited his pro-bono stats work for the local soccer team as evidence of his boredom with the A’s.
Bay Area Steve
December 2nd, 2011
3:57 pm
“They are full of corner outfielders”
Anybody we can use?
Ward
December 2nd, 2011
3:58 pm
Where is the Dodgers getting all the money to sign these players?Tought they were broke?
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:00 pm
Every time I see those “worst trades in history” lists… they always list the wrong end of the Teixeira trade
And the “we needed a first baseman” line is ridiculous. There is an offseason ahead. Go find a stop gap guy or make it a priority to get a banger there. Freeman had just been drafted the year prior and was in Rome. Made no sense, imo.
TennesseePaul
December 2nd, 2011
4:00 pm
Dude had $120 million to work with, and gave $21 million to Juan Frickin’ Uribe. I think ’seriously handicapped’ might be an overstatement.
$120M? He had considerably less than that. The Uribe deal was bad, but as a Braves fan with a lot of Dodger fan friends, I appreciated the fodder Ned gave me.
Most of the Dodger money is tied up in differed deals. Guys will be on their books for quite a while. And that was directly a result of the owner.
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:02 pm
Too many corner outfielders and not enough pitching and that makes you think he’s gotten bored?
That’s not why I thought he was bored. The soccer stuff about him going to the EPL and being a operations dude there made me think he was bored. Just pointing out that the system is bad and has a glut of corner outfield bats and bad defensive players.
Ward
December 2nd, 2011
4:03 pm
Maybe Bud S. Is as corrupted,as the Dodgers? Has to be the worse ever Commissioner……
DAP
December 2nd, 2011
4:04 pm
jim Those are the very teams one has to play IF you make the playoffs.
has nothing to do with wining 90 games. give it up, dude. besides, other than the cardinals, we beat all the NL teams in series during the season. pointing out a regular season series of 5 games gainst the dbacks, separated by several months in which the braves went 3-2 doesnt mean anything in the postseason. nothing. give up your point, because you really didnt make one.
tomas Normally JJ wouldn’t get close to a Greinke type deal. Greinke won a Cy Young has great stuff, and was perfectly healthy.
i dont remember greinke being perfectly healthy thoughout his career.
but yeah, maybe JJ normally wouldnt get tht type of return, but it doesnt matter. he is a good pticher and the braves could use him. if wren trades him he needs to get a ruturn that will help us more. who cares if its asking to much? i dont. if no one bites, we still have a good pitcher.
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:05 pm
$120M? He had considerably less than that.
He probably had over 100 million, TenneseePaul. He did sign Juan Pierre, Andruw Jones and Manny Ramirez. I know that ownership probably pushed for ManRam and perhaps Druw. Pierre too?
ncscoots
December 2nd, 2011
4:06 pm
Be pretty amusing if he ended up back with the Mets for five years, 80 million.
…and disappointing for our contributors ready to see the Marlins and Nats duke it out for the division.
TennesseePaul
December 2nd, 2011
4:06 pm
That’s not why I thought he was bored.
That may be, but it makes for a humorous evaluation of a farm system.
Jbailz
December 2nd, 2011
4:07 pm
I’ve seen the name Trout thrown around this blog in reference to someone we could land and I was just looking through stuff with the Tex trade that JS so famously dumped on us before abandoning ship and I saw this article which covers (pretty nicely IMO) the ripple effect that the Braves are still dealing with from the Tex trade.
http://mcantil.com/braves-finally-left-with-nothing-to-show-for-worst-deal-ever/
Let me know what you think. I thought it was interesting.
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:08 pm
Anybody we can use?
Probably not. They all have their serious limitations. It’s a bad farm system.
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:10 pm
That may be, but it makes for a humorous evaluation of a farm system.
It’s not the reason it’s a bad farm, TenneseePaul. It’s a bad farm because they haven’t drafted well and he hasn’t made good trades that have brought him good players. He absolutely needs to move on though. I don’t think he’s as bad a baseball person as you think he is, but he hasn’t had a good run in a while there.
TennesseePaul
December 2nd, 2011
4:10 pm
He did sign Juan Pierre
Man I forgot he signed Pierre. That was a fun off-season in LA. The Angles signed MattHGHews Jr and me and the Dodger fans laughed at the Angles. Oh they were rubbing it in hard to my Angel fan friends. Then the Dodgers turn around and sign Pierre… Oh good stuff. “But he hits .300″ Ha! Still though, those deals didn’t cripple the team as much as McCourt did.
ncscoots
December 2nd, 2011
4:11 pm
but yeah, maybe JJ normally wouldnt get tht type of return, but it doesnt matter.
“normally”, Wren might not have given Lowe the extra year, or signed Kawakami, either. The supply-demand curve can be a brutal thing.
The thirsty guy doesn’t ask for a water-quality test, he just wants to buy some dang water.
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
4:12 pm
most of the players whom we traded for Tex would have been gone by now anyway…….
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:13 pm
Still though, those deals didn’t cripple the team as much as McCourt did.
Whose job is tougher? Beane with an average payroll of 60 million over the last 9 years, or Colletti with McCourt disrupting everything?
Ward
December 2nd, 2011
4:13 pm
This waiting is for the Birds man…….All have a great day,and I’ll talk tonight if anyone is around? peace all…..
richbrave
December 2nd, 2011
4:15 pm
WTF, no moves today?
MFin04
December 2nd, 2011
4:15 pm
nolie – I don’t get the logic behind the Tex trade. We gave up a SS and a closer for top 5 first baseman in the league. Seems fair to me. The problem was the Braves can’t seem to sign any guys to long term deals.
TennesseePaul
December 2nd, 2011
4:16 pm
I don’t think he’s as bad a baseball person as you think he is, but he hasn’t had a good run in a while there.
I don’t think my reaction to him, or talk of him, would come across as negatively if he hadn’t been so over hyped. At any rate, I don’t think he is that great of a GM. If he were, he wouldn’t field non-contending teams, boast a weak farm system and be labeled “bored”. Those just aren’t the tell-tale signs of a good GM.
richbrave
December 2nd, 2011
4:16 pm
They’re on a budgetary short-leash.
Bay Area Steve
December 2nd, 2011
4:17 pm
“Beane with an average payroll of 60 million over the last 9 years, or Colletti with McCourt disrupting everything?”
Easy to think Beane, when you phrase it like this. But, I think there are only 134 people in Oakland who care. Man, they’ve got to get down here to San Jose…
MFin04
December 2nd, 2011
4:18 pm
“The thirsty guy doesn’t ask for a water-quality test, he just wants to buy some dang water.”
At the same time, just because you have loads of pitching doesn’t me you should give away your 2nd best pitcher (maybe best pitcher) for next to nothing.
Jurrjens is a young elite All-Star caliber pitcher. When you start giving guys like that away…you end up having to sign the KK’s and Lowe’s down the road.
TennesseePaul
December 2nd, 2011
4:18 pm
Whose job is tougher? Beane with an average payroll of 60 million over the last 9 years, or Colletti with McCourt disrupting everything?
Colletti. He had to pull in his players and employees and promise them their checks wouldn’t bounce while dealing with the owners crazy wife and his kids running all over the place. All while in the second largest market in America at the helm of a storied franchise.
Bay Area Steve
December 2nd, 2011
4:20 pm
“At the same time, just because you have loads of pitching doesn’t me you should give away your 2nd best pitcher (maybe best pitcher) for next to nothing.”
Has this happened, or is this preemptive whine?
ncscoots
December 2nd, 2011
4:23 pm
Man, they’ve got to get down here to San Jose…
BAS, what would they the team? Not the “San Jose A’s”, surely?
And, more importantly, you wouldn’t become an A’s fan, would you?
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:27 pm
If he were, he wouldn’t field non-contending teams, boast a weak farm system and be labeled “bored”. Those just aren’t the tell-tale signs of a good GM.
I labeled him “bored” because there has been rumors he wants to leave baseball all together and be a front office executive for an English Premier League team, as I stated before. It might not be 100% valid, but that’s part of what brought me to that conclusion. I’d like to see what he could do with more available to him – more than 60 million, and not playing in the worst baseball stadium in major league baseball. Also, a General Manager alone can’t be blamed for having a poor farm system. I don’t fully blame Wren for the lack of depth we have, partially for sure, but not all his fault.
Bay Area Steve
December 2nd, 2011
4:27 pm
More of an A’s fan, sure. Never close to Atlanta. It’s the AL. Un-American. All those who want the DH (except Efrim) should be hanged. I’ll just shoot him in the knee or something…
No idea on a name. But, no matter where, they have to get out of Oakland. You can buy walk-up seats two rows from the infield…
Jbailz
December 2nd, 2011
4:27 pm
I’m not saying the Tex trade was the worst trade ever like a lot of people think. I do however think we should have kept Tex, offered arbitration and gotten 2 first round picks for him. That’s the part of the trade that blows my mind. Tex for Kotchman and a reliever that has a worse fastball than I do? Lol
Lew
December 2nd, 2011
4:29 pm
jim – I’m too optimistic? Seriously? I prefer to think that everyone else is way too pessimistic.
Too much has been made about teams finishing 10 to 17 games behind us making huge improvements to their teams and assuming we won’t do anything to improve. Thing is, that so far, the only move either the Nats or Marlins have made is to bring an abrasive manager to a team that fires managers for speaking their mind and bringing in a closer. Like scots said, teams that are 30 games ut don’t become contenders by signing a closer.
The Nats have done nothing but talk. The Marlins have offered contracts to Pujols and Reyes, but lo and freaking behold, neither has rushed to sign – have they? Nor has Pujols or Fielder signed with the Nats, much less a stud pitcher to add to their rotation.
So why shouldn’t I be optimistic? Even if they DO make improvments, they would still have considerable ground to make up on a team that esentially fell marginally short of 90 wins and a playoff appearance despite a horrendous (and I’m seriously doubting it happens again) September. I also know about Martin Prado’s work ethic and fully expect last season’s injury influenced performance sticks in his craw to the point where he WILL have a major comeback season.
Also, why is it expected that both Hanson and Jurrjens will fail to return to form, but Josh Johnson, who also has missed major portions of the past two seasons with injureies, will?
As for Chipper – So what? We get out of him what we can and Martin does the rest – leaving LF to a platoon or to a outfielder we pick up.
As to the pitching. If the kids are that good and if they are going to form the basis of our roatation going forward, then they have to pitch – all there is to it. Even if we have some injuries, we’re so deep that almost every other club in MLB is wishing they had what we do. WE have a pen that is second to none with enough extra arms t avoid overpitching the big three.
Yep, why should I be pessimistic? What requires it of me, a Braves’ fan, to not believe? Because so many here are (yet again – just like always) decide that before moves are made (by anyone) that the Braves are doomed, despite the fact that Spring Training doesn’t even start for two and a half months and the season won’ start for another four months.
MFin04
December 2nd, 2011
4:29 pm
Bay Area Steve – Oh definitely preemptive whine. Gotta be ready, man!
I just hope they don’t trade Jurrjens or Prado. There really is no need. Just man up, spend the 10 million or so they have on a left fielder and we are good to go. Resign A-Gon or go with the young kid at SS.
Bay Area Steve
December 2nd, 2011
4:29 pm
“a General Manager alone can’t be blamed for having a poor farm system”
I know next to nothing about the minor leagues relative to you. Or, how front offices work for that matter. But Beane has full control of the baseball side of the A’s, and I think that puts him directly responsible for a poor system. If those under you ain’t gettin’ it done, it’s on you for bringin’ ‘em in.
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:30 pm
Easy to think Beane, when you phrase it like this. But, I think there are only 134 people in Oakland who care. Man, they’ve got to get down here to San Jose…
That’s true.
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:33 pm
If those under you ain’t gettin’ it done, it’s on you for bringin’ ‘em in.
Then I should be wanting to kill Frank Wren right now for the hirings of Fredi Gonzalez and Tony DeMacio, however for some reason, I can’t fully blame him for his employees shortcomings. Partially, for sure, but never will I sit here and blame him for their low spending ways and talent eveluations……not yet.
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
4:35 pm
I agree that we should have kept him and offered arb, it was highly unlikely that he would have accepted, and I mean HIGHLY. I think that decision was a result of the Maddux burn of a few years previously when he surprised them by accepting
The same thing had happened with Shef. There was no way he wasn’t gonna accept a multi=year deal with a rich club, but they were afraid to offer arb to him also.
The bitch is that when Wren broke the mold and offered arb to Soriano, he took the damn thing too. Hell, after that we might never see another arb offer
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:35 pm
He had to pull in his players and employees and promise them their checks wouldn’t bounce while dealing with the owners crazy wife and his kids running all over the place
And I’m sure he felt so much better after handing out a 5 year 45 million dollar contract to Juan Pierre in 2006…..
Jbailz
December 2nd, 2011
4:36 pm
Nolie – And I think the Angels knew they were desperate to get rid of him, cuz we got hosed in that deal..
ncscoots
December 2nd, 2011
4:38 pm
You can buy walk-up seats two rows from the infield
Wow. Didn’t know it was that bad.
Bay Area Steve
December 2nd, 2011
4:38 pm
“I can’t fully blame him for his employees shortcomings.”
Who else are you supposed to blame? Buck always stops somewhere, right? Of course, in Atlanta you have the vague role that Schuerholz has grown into, and I suspect he has input on the baseball side. (I think they say otherwise.) In Oakland, Wolff has given Beane the keys to the kingdom (or the falling down single-wide, as it is).
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:39 pm
The bitch is that when Wren broke the mold and offered arb to Soriano, he took the damn thing too. Hell, after that we might never see another arb offer
I’ll be pretty upset if they don’t offer Bourn a 12.4 million dollar qualifying offer next winter, nolie. Not sure if they do it, but that is they only way they get compensation. With the lack of contractual obligations in 2013 and lack of a replacement for CF currently, getting Bourn on a one year 12 million dollar deal makes a lot of sense to me.
Juan
December 2nd, 2011
4:39 pm
Wow….Miami going to sign everybody…
Bay Area Steve
December 2nd, 2011
4:39 pm
A small exaggeration, scoots. Think mid-week, hosting Kansas City.
40,000 plus for Yankees/Red Sox.
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
4:41 pm
I certainly think you can blame Wren for the new draft approaches. He’s the one who broke up the old guard and brought in new guys whom he knew their strategy.
ncscoots
December 2nd, 2011
4:42 pm
I agree that we should have kept him and offered arb, it was highly unlikely that he would have accepted, and I mean HIGHLY.
Even if he had, dangit. Reports were that the Braves had made him an offer that was north of what the Rangers had offered, so that almost had to be in the $140MM range (I’m spitballin’ here, but that seems a logical number, from all accounts). How could you make that kind of multi-year offer and not be willing to pay a somewhat higher one-year, especially considering how unlikely he was to accept arb?
It boggles, to this day.
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:43 pm
Who else are you supposed to blame?
The scouting director and player personel peeps. Just like Beane shouldn’t get all the credit if the farm is amazing(which it was a few years ago – but Brett Anderson blew his arm out, De Los Santos blew his arm out and Trevor Cahill regressed), he shouldn’t get all of the blame if it stinks.
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
4:43 pm
I’m sorry but there is no way in hell I would offer Bourn 12.4 mil, if you mean for one year.
If that is the necessity, screw the draft pick
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:44 pm
I certainly think you can blame Wren for the new draft approaches. He’s the one who broke up the old guard and brought in new guys whom he knew their strategy.
I’m surprised because when it’s brought up, I haven’t seen anyone mention Frank Wren as the culprit. No one.
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
4:45 pm
Oh I think Wren brought in the guys he did because he felt the same way about the draft as he knew they did
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
4:49 pm
I don’t think of him as a culprit because I understand that there are some advantages to the new approach, but he already knew those guys from B4
TennesseePaul
December 2nd, 2011
4:49 pm
I’m surprised because when it’s brought up, I haven’t seen anyone mention Frank Wren as the culprit. No one.
He’s got some dirt on people. That’s why.
Lew
December 2nd, 2011
4:49 pm
I don’t pretend to know the ins and outs of drafting players like some of y’all, but a couple of things are apparent (or should be) to damned near anyone.
First, it’s way too early to determine if the “new” phiolosophy on the draft is a failure and two, that I’ve certainly heard enough denegration about the “Baby Braves” and their lack of success and that they were a product of the “Old” philosophy. How, exactly did that work out?
Let’s wait a couple more years until we actually see how some of the players brought in under this sytem pan out before we declare it an abject failure.
And one more point – If the reason the went to this sytem is because they do not care to spend more money, then how is that Wren’s fault? Isn’t he just working with the constraints given to him?
BravePack
December 2nd, 2011
4:49 pm
My guess is if a trade did happen it will be with one of 3 teams…Royals, Red Sox, or White Sox. Just a hunch. Uh the suspense is killing me…hurry up Wren…just kidding…not really…just a little humor…peace.
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
4:50 pm
there is no way that they came in here and turned it all in a different direction without him knowing what was gonna happen and thus giving his approval.
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
4:53 pm
it is wren’s decision where to allocate the available funds Lew. right or wrong ; and I am not saying totally wrong. The biggest pick I have some regrets about is Minor and that because he was so high a pick
Bat Masterson
December 2nd, 2011
4:53 pm
Bat,
The revised edition of the first book is a little bit longer and fuller than the original. It is actually a better way to start the series than the original first book.
As ’scoots says, they get longer and longer, but they are a great read. _ flange1
A satisfying foray into the mind of Stephen King, flange. Speaking of long, have you guys seen his latest tome? 11/22/63 ……………… Eight hundred and fifty pages!
I think I’ll read it though. I’ve spent some time thinking, and talking with friends, about what the world might look like today had Kennedy not been assassinated. I’m curious as to what others think along that line.
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:54 pm
I’m sorry but there is no way in hell I would offer Bourn 12.4 mil, if you mean for one year.
The parameters of a Bourn extension haven’t been made public, but if they are willing to go 4 years, 40 million, and knowing that he is a Boras client, I would offer him a short term, one-year 12.4 million dollar offer which is what is the qualifying offer to recoup a first round draft pick. This is based on him having a strong year, of course…and being designated as a player that would net them a high pick.
ncscoots
December 2nd, 2011
4:54 pm
there is no way that they came in here and turned it all in a different direction without him knowing what was gonna happen and thus giving his approval.
Palace intrigue. These guys are the actual powers in the kingdom, and Wren is merely a figurehead. They work in the background (giggling insanely, most likely), and occasionally let Wren speak (but only froma script).
I have the guys from Person Of Interest looking into it.
And Ward, too. Ward’s looking into it. With his CIA contacts. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:55 pm
it is wren’s decision where to allocate the available funds Lew. right or wrong ; and I am not saying totally wrong.
Doesn’t Terry McGuirk have something to do with this? At least a little, nolie?
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
4:56 pm
Love Person of Interest
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
4:56 pm
Stephen King books, not so much
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
4:58 pm
I think Wren has the biggest part of the say from something I read a while back, but it might have been wrong I guess….but it was on the internet so it has to be true, right?
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:58 pm
And John Schuerholz?
ncscoots
December 2nd, 2011
4:58 pm
Eight hundred and fifty pages!
Child’s play. Dark Tower books rip through that like the first hurdle on the 440.
One other thing, Bat. King went back and wrote another book in the series after he had finished them all (!), to fill in some blanks, he said. Call it book 4.5, I guess. Might want to sneak that one in its proper order, I reckon. I haven’t read it yet, but plan to do so.
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
4:59 pm
Love Person of Interest
Just watched it for the first time last night. It was good. Do you like Jim Caviezel, though? And who is that other guy he talks to? Just watched it for the first time last night mind you.
ncscoots
December 2nd, 2011
5:00 pm
And who is that other guy he talks to?
From Lost.
Lew
December 2nd, 2011
5:01 pm
I’m betting that a decision of that magnitude doesn’t rest on Grank’s shoulders alone. I’m betting that JS has a much bigger say in things of this nature thanm many might want to believe.
And let’s wait until more than MInor are in the bigs and we see what they do before the system is thrown under the bus. MIght work out all right after all – MInor might, too, though there has been some mighty strong bitching from the moment his name was put on the draft board the day they drafted him.
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
5:01 pm
yeah I have always liked Jim.
A computer genius named Finch developed a machine for the government that is used to detect information leading to acts of terrorism before they happen. The machine separates the information gathered into two categories: relevant and irrelevant. Finch, however, discovered that the irrelevant information often led to other acts of violent crime. So, he, before going underground, developed a back door into the system which only spits out the social security number of a central person involved in the crime. Supposedly dead in the authority’s eyes, Finch hires John Reese, an ex-CIA special operations agent, who, too, dropped out of life after his girlfriend was killed the result of a professional incident, and as he was dissatisfied with the government’s handling of the situation. Like Finch, Reese is officially listed as dead. Finch convinces Reese that in working for him to prevent the crime associated with the social security number
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
5:02 pm
From Lost.
Ah, yes. Seemed like a good show. I will try and watch again next week.
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
5:03 pm
I also am waaay into Homeland
Lew
December 2nd, 2011
5:04 pm
nolie – Good show.
Did you see the tv movie with Mark Harmon playing Lucas Davenport? Was it good? Just finsihed the new paperbacks of Bad Blood and Storm Prey. Best I’ve read in a while.
Murph
December 2nd, 2011
5:04 pm
My guess is if a trade did happen it will be with one of 3 teams…Royals, Red Sox, or White Sox. Just a hunch. Uh the suspense is killing me…hurry up Wren…just kidding…not really…just a little humor…peace.
BP, that was either a great Ward impression or you’ve got some ’splainin’ to do.
Efrim
December 2nd, 2011
5:06 pm
Thanks nolie!
Bat Masterson
December 2nd, 2011
5:08 pm
Call it book 4.5, I guess. Might want to sneak that one in its proper order, I reckon. _ scoots
Noted, thanks.
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
5:09 pm
Lew, the Davenport movie was ok, not great. Something along the Line of the Jesse Stone movies I guess in quality. I thought that Certain Prey, the book it was based on was perhaps the best book in the series. If you read the books it is worth a look-see.
CB
December 2nd, 2011
5:10 pm
Well,we lost Diory Hernandez to the Astros. Time for blog explosion.
nolie
December 2nd, 2011
5:12 pm
KA___BOOM!!!!
Bat Masterson
December 2nd, 2011
5:14 pm
I also am waaay into Homeland _ nolie
A very good show that has taken some interesting turns.
That bedroom scene in episode 3(I think) where Brody is on the floor by the bed and his wife Jessica comes over and starts kissing him. Man that lead to some uncomfortable viewing.
Lew
December 2nd, 2011
5:14 pm
nolie – Yeah, I have most – if not all – of them and have the show on the DVR. My wife likes Mark Harmon, so we’re waiting for her to read the book before we watch it.
The new Flowers book, Bad Blood was great – though scary subject matter. Liked the new Storm Prey, too – one of the best in a while, IMO.
Been reading Cross Fire. I only read Patterson’s Cross novels – he writes too many to keep up with, so I limit it to Alex Cross.
You might like David Giddings stuff, too – archaeological adeventure. Good stuff.