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Bay Area Steve
December 1st, 2011
3:36 pm
RC,
Who does Win Probability Added? Isn’t that what N8’s looking for in his Brooks Conrad example? Kinda curious myself. Dude might of, on a per-AB basis, had the highest of all-time that year.
keyLargo
December 1st, 2011
3:38 pm
RC – what your WAR stat on McCann did for me was solidify my claim that his best year was 2008 and he has been in decline since. No, I don’t mean he’s fallen off a cliff and is no longer a valued player, but that his stats have declined, even if only slightly, every years since.
My only real problem with McCann is that he has never played as a Brave as a professional, well conditioned athlete. Quite a few (and one in particular) people claim that it makes no difference in his play, but that is simply someone who has never seen the difference that being well conditioned can make in all your activities There is nothing you do that you can’t do better with practice and conditioning. Take McCann’s running. Even if he could improve his home to first time by .2 tenths of a second, he’d get 10 more hits a year. And probably that many singles turn into doubles. Not to mention he would average more than 130 games a year and extend his career in years, not games.
McCann WAR
2011 – 3.7
2010 – 4.8
2009 – 4.0
2008 – 5.3
2007 – 2.2
2006 – 4.5
TennesseePaul
December 1st, 2011
3:41 pm
and if he can get his swing back to where it was at the start of 2010, he can still become an MVP candidate with high OBPs and 25-30 homers a year.
The start? Obviouly KLaw doesn’t know the start of 2010 was nothing compared to the second half of 2010… right Ef? Sheeeesh Law just hates the Braves.
Ward
December 1st, 2011
3:41 pm
Uggla is growing on me as a favorite too….
RC
December 1st, 2011
3:42 pm
BAS,
WPA is a stat at Fangraphs. And yes, Conrad’s would have been crazy high per AB in 2010.
keyLargo,
I don’t know that it’s appropriate to use WAR as a stat to see whether a player is improving or declining, since the hypothetical “replacement player” is different for each year. It’s primary use is to measure one players worth vs. another over a period of time. While I know that it wasn’t the case, it would be possible for McCann to have hit 50 HR in 2007 and still have that be his lowest WAR year, if all the other catchers in the league had outstanding performances as well.
P'cola Brave
December 1st, 2011
3:43 pm
Looks like the Angels may be willing to move Maicer Izturis. I think he would be a great stop gap at SS for us. Can handle the bat pretty good: .275 .339 .389 .728 (career line). Above average defender at SS, 3B, 2B. Only makes about 3.5 mil this year before becoming a FA.
N8
December 1st, 2011
3:46 pm
“Heyward is slowly growing on to be a favorite.I don’t recall a good LF since my favorite Ronnie Gant Left Left the Braves.”
Leave it to Ward to be the only guy who Heyward is “slowly” growing on. LOL
Decent LF since Gant?
Klesko while not real smooth with the glove, brought some thunder with the bat.
Andruw played LF in 1997 waiting for Lofton to wear out his welcome and move on.
Chipper did alright out there.
Other than that? I have a hard time coming up with anybody that stuck out there for very long. So you’re right, including Prado last year, LF has been a tad of a black hole for the Braves since Klesko left.
Ward
December 1st, 2011
3:46 pm
I’ve been checking the Braves sites,and all the same from three days ago.Man this is torture waiting. Wren, may I ask way? a little humor……..
Efrim
December 1st, 2011
3:46 pm
Obviouly KLaw doesn’t know the start of 2010 was nothing compared to the second half of 2010…
Of course not. The start is different than the first half. Heyward’s second half was better than the first half. Never said it was better than those first two months. Nothing was better than those first two months – “start”…
RC
December 1st, 2011
3:47 pm
The start? Obviouly KLaw doesn’t know the start of 2010 was nothing compared to the second half of 2010… right Ef? Sheeeesh Law just hates the Braves.
I thought the thumb injury slowed J-Hey during the second half, but I don’t remember the timeline that well….
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
3:48 pm
All Heyward needs to do is play his game, put up a .269/.338/.775/22 hr/85 rbi season, and all will be well
Ward
December 1st, 2011
3:49 pm
I have great “Faith” in Heyward expect him to bounce back,and have a huge year……..
Bay Area Steve
December 1st, 2011
3:51 pm
Two-month start? I don’t know nothin’ about that. But that three-run bomb off Zambrano might be my favorite Brave moment of all-time. Apologies to Sid and Spiderman.
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
3:51 pm
Hearing Zeke Spruill as included in any deal!
N8
December 1st, 2011
3:51 pm
It’s this simple with Heyward…..
STAY HEALTHY.
If he can do that, which would allow him to do the things that had everybody so excited, he’ll be the MVP guy we’ve been waiting for since the buzz around him began.
But he’s clearly shown that he’s more of a liability with the bat in his hands (unless he’s taking a walk), than not, when he’s injured and can’t play “his game”.
Healthy Heyward = Dominant, MVP candidate Heyward = Braves push the Phillies for the East.
Unhealthy Heyward = disaster with no real LF on the roster as of yet, and certainly not anybody to replace Heyward if he can’t play the way we need him to play.
Murph
December 1st, 2011
3:52 pm
Prado, Heyward, and JJ for Izturis, Trout, and Wells plus $33mil
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
3:54 pm
Wells??? No thanks blech! Hunter maybe, but not Wells!
N8
December 1st, 2011
3:56 pm
“Two-month start? I don’t know nothin’ about that. But that three-run bomb off Zambrano might be my favorite Brave moment of all-time.” BAS
It’s sure up there. Francoeur’s HR in his debut was pretty cool too. Sid was obviously pretty cool. Nixon’s catch off Van Slyke was awesome. But one of my favorite moments was in the stretch of 93 when we were chasing the Giants.
Gant hit a 3-run walk off BOMB (actually it was a low screaming line drive that I believe clipped the top of the wall before going over), off of Rob Dibble and Dibble tore his shirt off as he was walking off the field.
For as much as I (and many of us) like to complain that everything that could go wrong down the stretch last year DID go wrong, we all need to remember that 93 stretch drive where everthing went right. Until the playoffs of course. LOL
N8
December 1st, 2011
3:58 pm
“Prado, Heyward, and JJ for Izturis, Trout, and Wells plus $33mil”
Prado, Heyward and JJ wouldn’t net us Trout. Much less getting them to throw in Izturis, Wells and 33 million.
Nice try though.
Jaybo Braveman
December 1st, 2011
4:00 pm
I believe Wren is going to get a LF that is a former All-star, with good defense, and can hit about .250, Nate The Great!
Ward
December 1st, 2011
4:00 pm
N8- It would be smart to see what Heyward can do. He’s still very young,and you would be very foolish to trade him after only 2 seasons,and very young still.
monty
December 1st, 2011
4:01 pm
Getting close to the time for BMAC to start investing in a good first baseman’s mitt. Maybe start shagging balls in the offseason with his pop or brother. As Brian gets into his 30’s I would imagine it will be hard to keep the weight from creeping higher and higher without tons of discipline. While I don’t think he’ll be a FF defensively, he should be serviceable and I have always thought he could be a yearly .300 avg. 28-35 HR guy, and 100 rbi+ .
Bay Area Steve
December 1st, 2011
4:02 pm
“Wells and 33 million” for that ridiculous cow is probably a more realistic scenario…
N8
December 1st, 2011
4:03 pm
I found this article which was written after Conrad’s walkoff slam against Cincy, and found this snipit interesting:
“According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the last time the Braves recorded three walk-off victories in a row was September 15-17, 1993. On September 15 Ron Gant hit a three-run home run off Rob Dibble (CIN) in the ninth inning; On September 16 Jeff Blauser hit an RBI-single vs. CIN in the 12th inning and on September 17 Ron Gant hit and RBI-double off Mike Maddux (NMY) in the 10th inning
That’s the game I’m talking about. And there you have it. 3 walk off wins in a row in mid-September when one game ended up seperating the Braves from the Giants. Pretty special year that year, other than the way it ended.
http://www.talkingchop.com/2010/5/21/1482159/series-recap-reds-at-braves-its
Bay Area Steve
December 1st, 2011
4:04 pm
11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M
Who trades for that? How does he keep his job?
Murph
December 1st, 2011
4:05 pm
Prado, Heyward and JJ wouldn’t net us Trout. Much less getting them to throw in Izturis, Wells and 33 million.
Prado, Heyward, JJ, and Hicks for Izturis, Trout, Wells, and $28mil… that’s my final offer N8. The Rockies have already agreed to Prado, Heyward, JJ, Hicks, and Hoover for Seth Smith, so take it or leave it.
N8
December 1st, 2011
4:05 pm
“N8- It would be smart to see what Heyward can do. He’s still very young,and you would be very foolish to trade him after only 2 seasons,and very young still.”
Please show me where I said anything about trading him. No wonder you talk in circles dude. You’re replying to imaginary posts that never happened. LOL
Hillbilly
December 1st, 2011
4:05 pm
Bad news bub, you just got traded to the Royals for Myers and Crow.
–Murph
Sorry brother. I’ve got 10/5 rights. You’re gonna have to ride this contract out.
CB, Those Hogs have made me proud despite being blitzed by the top two teams in the country. I’ve been hiding in the pine trees, mostly. Literally…30 feet up in the pines. No beef in my chili this year.
P'cola Brave
December 1st, 2011
4:05 pm
I would love to see the Braves make a splash this year but I’m not sure its in the cards. We have SP who are hurt or coming off injuries which makes it harder to deal JJ. Hudson had back surgery and the last time Hanson threw in September he still had discomfort. Moving Prado opens up money but it also opens up two holes. Not sure you can get the return that makes it a worthwhile move. If you do move him Detroit makes more sense than Colorado right now. I see smaller signings such as Jack Wilson or Cody Ross type players with a trade or two that brings depth and maybe a bullpen guy.
Ward
December 1st, 2011
4:05 pm
N8 – Braves, should let Conrad go…….We can do way better. Just my opinion though.
Jbailz
December 1st, 2011
4:06 pm
McCan’t – Right now just wind, supposed to have a storm coming tonight. My biggest concern is that it’s going to get into the teens tonight with the chance of snow and we have a lot of people without power. I’ve never bee in winds this bad, only heard about it a handful of times.
Ward
December 1st, 2011
4:07 pm
Jabailz- Do you have back up power to follow the trades?Be safe……..
Jaybo Braveman
December 1st, 2011
4:08 pm
Bobby ain’t here no more…Conrad is GONE!
Efrim
December 1st, 2011
4:09 pm
Prado, Heyward and JJ wouldn’t net us Trout. Much less getting them to throw in Izturis, Wells and 33 million.
Disagree. Even with Heyward’s star less bright, no way I’m making that trade if I’m Wren.
RC
December 1st, 2011
4:11 pm
“Prado, Heyward, and JJ for Izturis, Trout, and Wells plus $33mil”
Prado, Heyward and JJ wouldn’t net us Trout. Much less getting them to throw in Izturis, Wells and 33 million.
Bull. The Angels would do that trade simply for Heyward and one of the other two.
11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M
Who trades for that? How does he keep his job?
BAS,
He didn’t keep his job. I’m pretty sure he was dismissed as soon as the season was over.
P'cola Brave
December 1st, 2011
4:11 pm
Conrad had a big year in 2010 with a lousy finish. 25 man guys are interchangeable year in and year out. What we got from him in 2010 was great. I don’t think anybody thought he would do what he did that year. He exceeded expectations and made them to high to ever relive. I don’t see him back this year. I figure somone like Drew Sutton will replace him.
Ward
December 1st, 2011
4:12 pm
Why must the Braves trade Heyward after only 2 seasons? He hasn’t even hit his peak yet,and most is writing him off. That is just insane…..Give him two more years,and then decide.
Random
December 1st, 2011
4:14 pm
abwright (December 1st, 2011 10:10 am): ” ‘The length of the contract AGonzalez wanted is not a factor — ‘
It is in the sense that the Braves did not want to play the arbitration game. Since AGon wanted more than a one-year contract, why offer him a one-year contract (arbitration)?
To get the supllemental draft pick when he declined arbitration. Or to get one year of AGonzalez as a bridge to TyPast.
I cannot see the Braves getting anyone better than AGonz for just one year.
Ward
December 1st, 2011
4:14 pm
Anybody could replace Conrad? Amazing how the Braves ever kept him????????
McFann O O o
December 1st, 2011
4:15 pm
keylargo Take McCann’s running. Even if he could improve his home to first time by .2 tenths of a second, he’d get 10 more hits a year.
I’m going to ’splode!…
P'cola Brave
December 1st, 2011
4:15 pm
Heyward has a lot of potential to be a star player. He has to find a way to stay healthy. As long as he stays hurt his numbers will suffer because even when healthy he has a flawed swing. Add injury to that and the numbers spiral downward.
Efrim
December 1st, 2011
4:15 pm
Who trades for that? How does he keep his job?
Not Wren. I wouldn’t trade Heyward, Prado and Jurrjens for Trout and Izturis. No reason to think Heyward can’t bounce back next year. And with service time included, how is that a reasonable trade for the Braves?
Ward
December 1st, 2011
4:16 pm
Well, all good talking,and enjoyed your post. Murph, a classic song there,and funny……peace all…….
Bay Area Steve
December 1st, 2011
4:17 pm
RC,
I thought I read he moved upstairs. Either way, keep that guy away from my checkbook…
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
4:17 pm
Agon? No thanks BLECH! offense needs a boost beyind keeping Prado in LF if Agon is re-signed may as well cancel the season, be the same outcome in Sept.
cabravesfan
December 1st, 2011
4:19 pm
The Angels would do that trade simply for Heyward and one of the other two.
No they wouldn’t. Trout is pretty much untouchable to them. And it would make no sense to trade Trout for Jason. They are very similar players and Trout is nearly 3 years younger
CB
December 1st, 2011
4:19 pm
Blue Jays are being mentioned as a possibility for Prince Fielder. Can you imagine Prince,Bautista and Lawrie? Whoa
RC
December 1st, 2011
4:21 pm
BAS,
Reagins “stepped down” as GM once the season was over. The owner then fired his Assistant GM pretty much immediately.
RC
December 1st, 2011
4:22 pm
Blue Jays are being mentioned as a possibility for Prince Fielder. Can you imagine Prince,Bautista and Lawrie? Whoa
Brewers could have had Fielder, Braun, and Lawrie this past season, if they hadn’t been so eager to get Shaun Marcum.
DS1
December 1st, 2011
4:22 pm
Jbailz
Where are you in Utah? I live in Layton up on the bench, but I’m presently in Pocatello and getting ready to hit the road for home in a bit.
My wife sent me some pix and it looks like a hurricane hit our neighborhood. I think most of my trees survived, but I lost my satellite dish, and most of my gutters and fence.
They are saying it’s the worst wind in 25 years.
Stay safe.
Efrim
December 1st, 2011
4:23 pm
No they wouldn’t. Trout is pretty much untouchable to them. And it would make no sense to trade Trout for Jason. They are very similar players and Trout is nearly 3 years younger
I don’t think the Braves would trade Heyward and Prado or Jurrjens for Trout either…..
McFann O O o
December 1st, 2011
4:23 pm
cabravesfan! I was just wondering if y’all were OK—heard about those winds…
P'cola Brave
December 1st, 2011
4:24 pm
Fielder in Toronto would be sick. He and Bautista would put up huge HR totals.
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
4:24 pm
Lookin for a deal, lookin for a deal, lookin for some players maybe I can steal,McCutcheon on my left hand , Aybar on my right, which one am I gonna dream about tonite.Lookin for a deal , lookin for a deal, Rockies wantin Prado ,and lookin for a deal.
Murph
December 1st, 2011
4:26 pm
how is that a reasonable trade for the Braves?
Who said anything about it being reasonable? It does take care of the OF and SS/3B, if Wells bounces back somewhat, but it was never meant to be a realistic proposition (obviously).
Jbailz
December 1st, 2011
4:26 pm
Ward – I’m lucky and in an area that hasn’t been affected yet… I’ve got a back up plan if necessary though. It’s only affecting me in that I work in landscaping so my crews are going full force cleaning up for our contracts!
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
4:27 pm
Hope all is well for you guys in Utah! Sayin a Prayer for ya!
RC
December 1st, 2011
4:27 pm
No they wouldn’t. Trout is pretty much untouchable to them. And it would make no sense to trade Trout for Jason. They are very similar players and Trout is nearly 3 years younger
Right, they are very similar players. Except that one has 2 years of MLB experience under his belt, AND the Angels would be getting another All-Star player in the deal. It’s the type of trade that would never be offered, but I don’t see that the Angels would turn it down if it was.
CB
December 1st, 2011
4:28 pm
JoeBrave,if you are dreaming about baseball players I might have to have a conversation with you. LOL
Efrim
December 1st, 2011
4:28 pm
Lawrie looks like he is going to hit really well in that park too. That team is on the up….
C Arencibia, 1B Lind, 2B?, SS Escobar, 3B Lawrie, LF Snider/Thames, CF Rasmus, RF Bautista, DH Encarnacion.
SP Romero, Morrow, Cecil, Alvarez, #5
One of the best farm systems in the sport with D’Arnaud, Gose, Marisnick, Perez, Mcguire, Hutchinson, Molina, Jenkins, Nicolino and their 2011 draftees.
daniel buck
December 1st, 2011
4:29 pm
If we don’t pull something off at the winter Meetings I am going to have trade rumor overload…
DAP
December 1st, 2011
4:29 pm
random To get the supllemental draft pick when he declined arbitration. Or to get one year of AGonzalez as a bridge to TyPast.
i dont think type B’s get a supplemental pick anymore. pretty sure that started this year.
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
4:29 pm
Maicer Izturis, Carlos Quentin.. hmmm yep git er done!
Jbailz
December 1st, 2011
4:29 pm
DS1 – I’m in West Valley, we have had some wind here but nothing like Bountiful and north is getting. I thought I was the only guy on this blog in Utah. Good to know I’m not the only Braves fan here!!!
cabravesfan
December 1st, 2011
4:30 pm
McFann-
We’re good- thanks! We managed to avoid the worst of the winds- my poor sister in law was home with 2 young kids with no power and no husband last night…she was a bit freaked out. Power outage also shut down the airport and turned Pasadena into a mess…lots of massive trees uprooted and things like that, but haven’t heard any reports of injuries…
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
4:32 pm
CB, umm nope that is Wren doing the dreaming, me I fancy thick hipped brown headed brown eyed girls! don’t want no chicken bones!
McFann O O o
December 1st, 2011
4:33 pm
cabravesfan—
Yikes! Glad you guys are OK, though!…What’s causing all this, anyway??
Wayne—
Good heavens! Glad ya’ll are otherwise OK…Stay safe!
cabravesfan
December 1st, 2011
4:35 pm
Trout played 40 games with the Angels this year so he has MLB experience also.
P'cola Brave
December 1st, 2011
4:37 pm
JoeBrave
Those two definitely provide an upgrade. Though Quentin struggles to stay on the field and with the time that Chipper and Quentin miss for injuries/days off, it scares me to have another one on the roster.
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
4:37 pm
I’m dreamin of a White Christmas.
Just like the one’s I used to know.
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
4:38 pm
November 17, 1975: Traded by the Atlanta Braves with Ed Goodson to the Los Angeles Dodgers for Lee Lacy, Tom Paciorek, Jerry Royster and Jim Wynn.
Please never another Trade like this!
Efrim
December 1st, 2011
4:39 pm
I still think there is a better chance that we trade Prado than Jurrjens. Just a hunch, imo.
Jbailz
December 1st, 2011
4:39 pm
DS – If you are driving from Pokey back here you be extra careful! I grew up in the Pocatello area and that drive can be sketchy when there is little wind.
Jimmy
December 1st, 2011
4:39 pm
AT – I’ll catch you on here at sometime, but I wanted to say we are still praying for you and your family.
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
4:40 pm
October 21, 1983: the Atlanta Braves sent Brett Butler and Brook Jacoby to the Cleveland Indians to complete an earlier deal made on August 28, 1983. August 28, 1983: The Atlanta Braves sent players to be named later and $150,000 to the Cleveland Indians for Len Barker..
Or this one!
DS1
December 1st, 2011
4:44 pm
Jbailz
Done that drive 100+ times………..
cabravesfan
December 1st, 2011
4:45 pm
McFann-
Santa Ana winds always blow this time of year- they were just more fierce last night than normal
Jbailz
December 1st, 2011
4:46 pm
DS
I hear ya, I joke with my wife I could do it in my sleep!
NickB
December 1st, 2011
4:47 pm
Alrighty let us debunk this myth about trading Prado opens up 2 holes right now.
Prado was a starting LF’er and backup to Chipper you say right? Thus if we move him we need a LF’er and a backup to Chipper!
However, this is incorrect the team already requires an infield backup who can play SS(unless they are going to go with Sutton who isn’t a bad choice) Prado cannot play SS. So an additional player was already needed to fill a middle infield utility spot so all trading Prado ACTUALLY requires is a replacement in LF (as far as the 2012 25 man roster goes).
In fact, I have stated on here before that the way the Braves could replace him in LF would be to A)sign a LF’er who can backup CF B) trade Matt Diaz or C) trade Martin Prado. As the bench would have no spot for Prado as it would leave the team without either a SS or a CF backup… Not good.
So, remember that the team is going to get a middle infield backup anyway, and Prado’s inability to play SS is a liability to the Braves (while is ability to be a great starting 2nd baseman gives the team lots of trade value). I almost guarantee he gets traded. It’s either traded or starting in lF I can’t see any other scenario that works.
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
4:48 pm
OR this either! BLech!
December 12, 1975: Traded by the Atlanta Braves with Ralph Garr to the Chicago White Sox for Ken Henderson, Ozzie Osborn and Dick Ruthven,
Ozzie should just stick to music or whatever! LOL
Jbailz
December 1st, 2011
4:48 pm
CAB
Will you please keep your winds in Cali? We don’t want them up here!
cabravesfan
December 1st, 2011
4:51 pm
Jbailz
Sorry, man. They are long gone. Besides, they are murder on my allergies…
Hillbilly
December 1st, 2011
4:51 pm
Santa Ana winds always blow this time of year
About the time that the Hot Stove/Winter Meetings heat up and Boras starts releasing walls of hot air…coincidence?
Jbailz
December 1st, 2011
4:51 pm
Tell me about it, I feel like it’s Spring up here right now. Usually by now I don’t have to take my Claritin anymore.
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
4:51 pm
Worst trade Bobby Cox ever made! Paul Assenmacher
August 24, 1989: Traded by the Atlanta Braves to the Chicago Cubs for players to be named later. The Chicago Cubs sent Kelly Mann (September 1, 1989) and Pat Gomez (September 1, 1989) to the Atlanta Braves to complete the trade
Murph
December 1st, 2011
5:06 pm
Who were the other trades for Joe? I just see that the Braves traded someone for a bunch of crappy players.
I don’t think the Braves are going to make any big moves this offseason… I think next Winter will be crazy, but this Winter is going to be a slow one for any Braves fan hoping for sweeping changes. Izturis would be a nice addition, but I wouldn’t bet on seeing him in a Braves uni.
If only the Braves could take the money saved this year by trading Lowe and getting KK and McLouth off the books, put it in a savings account, let it earn some interest, and then make a run at one or two of the big names that’ll be available next year. Sigh… i know it won’t happen, but it’s fun to think about at least.
P'cola Brave
December 1st, 2011
5:07 pm
NickB
So you would be okay with Drew Sutton playing 3B for the 30-40 gms that Chipper will miss? I get what you are saying with Prado but our backup 3B needs to be able to handle starting 40 gms and putting up decent numbers, as well as the 4th OF. But I agree on him getting traded. As much as I’d hate to see him go I think its likely going to happen. Hopefully not to Colorado.
Arkansas Transplant
December 1st, 2011
5:08 pm
We can get top prospects elsewhere….they can’t get Martin Prado anywhere else.
RC, nicely said.
Arkansas Transplant
December 1st, 2011
5:12 pm
Jimmy, thanks! Good news today though, could be going home as early as Sunday. Doctors are so far amazed how quickly he’s gaining his strength back so we’re very hopefully he’ll be home for Christmas.
mattymose
December 1st, 2011
5:13 pm
DOB, you see the movie The Devil’s Double? Awesome!
P'cola Brave
December 1st, 2011
5:15 pm
I wonder if Torii Hunter would be made available. Obviously for us they would need to pick up a good bit of salary but he is in the last year of contract and it would make room for them to keep Peter Bourjos and promote Trout. Though they may assume to keep Trout down another year. I believe hes only around 20 or 21 in age. They have some young talent over there in Trout and Trumbo with no real place to put them this year.
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
5:19 pm
Murph! Larvell sugar bear Blanks was traded with Garr, the 1975 trade was Dusty Baker.
JoeBrave
December 1st, 2011
5:21 pm
Gary Matthews dealt for Freakin Bob Walk…Blech!
NickB
December 1st, 2011
5:21 pm
P’cola Brave-
Yep, Sutton has shown the ability to get on base in the minors and hasn’t had enough consistent PA’s in the big leagues to really establish what he can do. If Sutton can play good defense at 3b and put up a .350 OBP in 30 games or so, I think the team will be just fine.Considering that there aren’t many other options if Prado isn’t going to start in LF.
I can’t see Sutton doing much worse than a Hinske/Diaz platoon for 30 games in LF, maybe in SLG but not in OBP.
NickB
December 1st, 2011
5:23 pm
Hunter has a no trade tho. So the Braves would probably have to offer an additional year at $10 mill or so to get him to accept any trades…. I’m not so sure we want 38 yr old Hunter in LF in 2013.
cabravesfan
December 1st, 2011
5:28 pm
P’cola Brave
Trout turned 20 in August. The rumor is he will start the year in AAA but I don’t imagine he will be there for long.
We made the September 2007 Mets look like the 1927 Yankees
December 1st, 2011
5:30 pm
1. McCann to the Red Sox or the Yankees for a plethora of highly rated prospects.
2. Jose Reyes signs with the Braves as a free agent. Hits 2nd in the order behind Bourn.
3. Jair Jurrjens to the Royals for Alex Gordon….plays left field for the next 10 years….hits #3 in the order (assuming Fredo does the right thing and permanently drops Chipper to #6 spot of the order.
Projected order:
1. Bourn
2. Reyes
3. Gordon
4. Uggla
5. Freeman
6. Chipper
7. Heyward
8. Ross (I’m sure that the Braves can pry a highly rated, Major League ready prospect in any trade involving McCann).
Prado becomes the super sub (we all know that Chipper will need at least 30-40 off….if Heyward struggles against lefties…Prado can take Heyward’s spot).
Starting rotation:
1. Hudson
2. Hanson
3. Minor
4. Medlen
5. Teheran (or someone Frank Wren can get good value in on the free agent market).
In essence, we’d be trading McCann, Jurrjens, 1st round draft pick……..for Jose Reyes, Alex Gordon and a some highly rated prospects.
NickB
December 1st, 2011
5:31 pm
You forgot Beachy, and the Braves have too many middle infield prospects to spend on a soon to start declining Reyes
Lew
December 1st, 2011
5:36 pm
Prados a lianility because he can’t play short? That ranks pretty close to the top of insanity today,
We made the September 2007 Mets look like the 1927 Yankees
December 1st, 2011
5:38 pm
NickB…….Damn, lol! Totally spaced out on Beachy.
Revished Starting Rotation:
1. Hudson
2. Hanson
3. Beachy
4. Minor
5. Medlen/Teheran
Braves stocked in young, cheap, starting pitching. Trading Jair Jurrjens for someone of Alex Gordon’s caliber improves our lineup, Jurrjens gives the Royals the ace they need on that staff.
I know that Pastornicky’s been getting a lot of local press. However, Reyes is the real deal. Dude has speed…as well as hits for average, makes contact, is a triples machine…just an exciting, top of the lineup type of player the Braves need.