11:22 am November 23, 2011, by Carroll Rogers
November 23rd, 20113:18 pm
Elvis come back in a trade sending Wren away. That Texeira deal was one of the worst in the Major Leagues in the last ten years. Ugh…
November 23rd, 20113:23 pm
The Vasquez trade was a SLAM DUNK WINNER for the Braves. How anyone can question that deal and still comment on any player personnel decision is beyond me.
November 23rd, 20113:27 pm
@ Around The Horn
It wasnt that the Braves wanted Gonzales badly,it was more of them badly wanting to rid themselves of Escobar.
November 23rd, 20113:29 pm
just imagine for 1 moment that we do not make the trade with Texas, Andrus is @ ss, Harrison and Feliz in starting rotation. WOW Hudson, Hanson, Feliz, Harrison, Minor, Teheran, Beachy etc…..
November 23rd, 20113:31 pm
also have Salty as back-up catcher and first baseman
November 23rd, 20113:37 pm
For as frustrating as he was to watch hit, Gonzalez was the only guy worth a damn at the plate in September.
Even in that one game when he tried to come back from the calf injury and had to come out later, he still cranked a RBI double the opposite way off Cliff Lee.
But like Chipper said, there seemed to be some supernatural forces going against the Braves in September. Of course the one guy who has it figured out at the plate gets injured and knocked out of the last 10 games of the season.
Just wasn’t meant to be in 2011.
November 23rd, 20113:40 pm
Don’t know if you’ve been paying attention, but Matt Harrison isn’t exactly panning out as planned for the Rangers. 2008-2010 were very ugly for him. Though he did have a nice season this year, he wasn’t very good in the playoffs.
November 23rd, 20113:52 pm
Richbrave, clever. But I was planning on them signing Ghostman for short and left.
Ghostman is a terrible fielder, but he always seems be on base.
November 23rd, 20114:22 pm
Any news on Nunez from the Yankees coming here?
November 23rd, 20114:27 pm
You clowns that think Frank Wren has done such a bad job should do the same analysis of every other team in baseball. No GM makes all the right moves. Funny how the Braves are always in contention for a playoff spot with such a bad GM! Get some perspective!!
November 23rd, 20114:35 pm
WREN’S TRADE POLICY
Wren has stated his trade policy as that of being “SURE to strengthen the Braves” — per DOB’S blog.
I guess in 2010 that policy wasn’t yet in effect with the Y. Escobar for A. Gonzalez trade.
That trade sure does look pretty bad now Frank — especially with your apparent need to make another trade now for a SS — and with Yunel flourishing in Toronto.
Go Go you Pilots
November 23rd, 20114:41 pm
Well now that the Braves decide to let Gonzalez go he will sign with Miami Marlins n play shortstop for Ozzie Guillen….which will get them 15 more wins and a wildcard spot next season while we watch from sidelines again….Way Go Wren u like don waddell screw up and one thing is Braves will stay anyway just as the thrashers under ASG.And another is Houston be in AL in 2013 playin ball in west with Texas n La angels and Oakland A’s and seatlle ….And next in news The sale of Tampa to Montreal and they be playin in canada in 2014!
Liberty Media CEO
November 23rd, 20114:43 pm
You mean we own the Braves?
November 23rd, 20114:44 pm
November 23rd, 20114:46 pm
Yea some reason why a Manager who kept cap tippin at other team and sayin to Larussa Its yours now…and fast u can say Bobby cox was here we choked Just as Redsox choke and while Wren was sleepin Phillies get the redsox relief Pitcher which means Phillys will win east again.chipper will say again we better then them and we will Lose to them…..Marlins make wildcard in Ozzie Gullien first year and will show love as he will throw at braves next year n hit chipper Jones in leg and he run home to Farm!
Alex No Can Hit
November 23rd, 20114:47 pm
Thank God ! Alex was an automatic out. Good riddance !
November 23rd, 20114:50 pm
I’m thinking this arbitration formula is all wrong. How ’bout taking the amount the player thinks he is worth and adding the amount the team wants to pay. Then divide by two. Seems fair to all corncerned?
Actually I would love to see the Braves trade for Hanley if the Marlins sign Reyes or make a go at Bonafacio bc he can serve at SS and then when Pastornicky or anyone of the young SS prove worthy he can move to CF or be used as a Infante type.
November 23rd, 20114:52 pm
Its clearly obvious that Wren does not value OBP. He should be fired immediately. Most of the homers on the blogs love trades for the sake of trading. Thus, most bloggers love Wren because he makes a lot of moves (and boy does he rush). And the large majority of those moves have gone to hell. What do we have to show for his tenure thus far? One playoff appearance? We’ve got holes at SS (he created that hole), left field, second base low obp brought in by wren, going to have a hole at 3b next season (nobody in minors), gonna have a hole in CF as it stands now after this season. I know this has been incredibly negative… but Wren has to go!!
2 hot scott
November 23rd, 20115:00 pm
Here’s an idea, resign Wilson to a 2 year deal. Let him start opening day until June at shortstop, give Pastornicky 2 months at AAA to get his swing down and bring him up. Wilson moves to the utility infielder role for the next year and a half, and is insurance in case Tyler or Simmons isn’t ready. As for trading Prado, then who’s your opening day 3rd baseman in 2013? If Pastornicky and Simmons are the real deal, who’s better suited to move from short to 3rd base? Either trade Jurrjens for a power-hitting 3rd base or outfield prospect who will be ready in 2013.
Yunel's Crappy Attitude
November 23rd, 20115:07 pm
I am an immature douche bag and wore my welcome out in Atlanta and will do the same in Toronto. Go Fidel
November 23rd, 20115:11 pm
really Yunel was a jerk, if you weren’t one the bench then you don’t know have a clue of the negative impact he had. this may have been more than just bad chemistry but who’s to say, rednecks……
amazing how wise and insightful some people can be
November 23rd, 20115:12 pm
Here’s an idea-deal Minor and Vizcaino for Yonder Alonso and a reds first round pick. (Something along those lines) I know Alonso is left handed blah blah. He could actually play some third if needed, and could potentially take over for Chipper at third in 2013. Reds desperately need sp and the end of their pen with Arodys and Chapman would be sick. Alonso=high obp and power, plus he’s he’s young, cheap, and controllable. We’ve got SP depth to deal from…just crossing my fingers that Tommy H lets his arm heal. Only way those rotator cuff tears will fix themselves.
November 23rd, 20115:25 pm
heywards trajectory looks like somone whjo died two years ago FLATLINE!!!!!
November 23rd, 20115:34 pm
Shift Prado to SS. Problem solved.
Now we need some LF from trade or free agency. Cant be that hard to improve on Prados 2011 Production in LF and theres little doubt Prado will hit better this year according to his career averages. He’s also been sound defensively at 3rd, and above average at 2b So I think he would be a avg fielding SS with a .280/.340 bat.
So now, the only hole is LF, assuming Heyward returns to projections, which is a whole new topic.
Coach (2011 Fredi G. FAILED)
November 23rd, 20115:43 pm
Braves…..broke ass bastards.
Daniel, Prado should have been our SS last season. Sticking with grumpyface gonzo last season and his garbage below .300 obp tells me that braves mgmt doesnt believe that Prado is capable of playing ss. I wholeheartedly agree with you, though.
November 23rd, 20115:58 pm
Hello Mr Wren!!
November 23rd, 20116:09 pm
Too bad Wren wasnt smart enough to go after Seizmore like i suggested THE DAY AFTER the Indiands let him go. now they re sign him for FIVE MILLION? which, coincidentally is exactly what we saved on Lowes contract this year. Good one Wren. Yeah i know Grady has had health problems the past two years but honestly, are we gonna find anyone with more upside for that price? nope
November 23rd, 20116:10 pm
Good old Frankie Wren, the inept General manager of the Atlanta Braves hired and kept by Liberty Media/Time Warner,
Frankie’s motto, play rookies and I will overpay 2nd tier free agents.
And if that does not work, lets make trades to shake it up.
If Frank Wren were a ship he would be a ship without a rudder.
November 23rd, 20116:31 pm
Booby Cox and Terry Pendleton messed with Yunel’s head too much, and try to make me do unnatural things with the bat.
If Chipper doesn’t like you for some reason, you will be in Chipper’s dog house. He can sit on bench with an inflamed hemorrhoid or ingrown toenail; but he’ll tell the media that a teammate is lazy or not playing hard enough.
I miss Atlanta and my fans there. But in Toronto they realize they have shortstop for many years to come while Frank Wren is scouring the minor leagues looking for yet another shortstop in Atlanta.
Frank Wren es el loco !
November 23rd, 20116:32 pm
I guess now we can call him A-Gone.
November 23rd, 20116:34 pm
Holy Cow! some of you GM’s need to cool it…you don’t just trade for someone because you want them..the other team has to get equal value. Frank Wren is doing a good job. Damn its not even Winter meeting time yet..FW will get the job done but it takes two to make a trade. Some on the names fans asking for make you lol…..
If Mark Cuban bought the Braves I’d have even more money to waste on aging, over-the-hill free agents. I could even give Chipper a big fat raise.
November 23rd, 20116:41 pm
In 2010 Derek Lowe was paid $15 million for an ERA over 5.00; Kawakami got $7 million for not even playing. McLouth got $8 million for hitting, well, I won’t mention that; and Uggla got $14 million for hitting .232 with a bushel of solo home runs.
Wow ! That was half the team payroll !
Thank you Liberty Media for allowing me to keep my job another year !
If this were Boston, New York or Philly, towns that have a real media,my a** would have been fired !
November 23rd, 20116:48 pm
Frank Wren you not in Boston,NY,etc..you in Atlanta Ga. That says it all.
November 23rd, 20117:05 pm
Amazing video of a high school senior from Columbia TN who kicks the ball dead straight 75-80 yards in the air. He was successful on 54 of 54 attempts this season….100%. Now he needs a college team. Wants to go to GT
Watch for yourself…it is unreal!
Braves should sign Rafael Furcal he’s a free agent now.
November 23rd, 20117:26 pm
Tim Hudson….average at best???????
Making the all-star team and consistenly being the best pitcher on the team……when not injured…..is far from average. Without Hudson, the Braves would have won 10 to 15 less games last year. Hardly average performance type stuff. When on, and most often he is, Hudson is still one of the most reliable and hard to hit pitchers in baseball. The Braves almost always are in the game when Huddy pitchers….almost every time. That is again….far from average…..what he is….is an intense competitor who hates to lose….and the Braves need a lot more Hudsons on their team.
November 23rd, 20117:27 pm
That should have read……..”when Huddy pitches”….not “pitchers”
November 23rd, 20117:28 pm
Is Sam repeatingly posting a site for a virus or something…..and how long will he continue to post the same thing over and over again????? Any bets??????
November 23rd, 20117:31 pm
Toronto can have Escobar……..and Atlanta fans hated him when he was here….and he was inconsistent, lazy, and a cancer in the clubhouse……all of which Gonzalez was not. Too bad he also forgot to hit when he came here for some reason. But I think Braves fans will begin to miss Mr. Gonzalez this summer when balls go up the middle and are not picked for outs or double plays….and turn into game winning singles or game changing singles.
November 23rd, 20117:44 pm
even thought the braves did not offer AGon arbitration, they could still sign him to a contract.
November 23rd, 20118:00 pm
The Braves need a SS who can hit and an OF with some punch. Maybe the new pitching coach can turn things around. But I know that’s wishful thinking.
November 23rd, 20118:02 pm
If we can’t have a SS that can hit AND field, then it is better to have one who can field and not hit, than one who can hit but not field.
November 23rd, 20118:09 pm
I say wait until after the first round of HGH testing before signing anyone.
November 23rd, 20118:22 pm
i think Sizemore would have been a good addition as well. Has all the talent but the injury risk is a concern
November 23rd, 20118:23 pm
I salute all the braves fans that understand the value of a proven reliable defensive shortstop. Not to disparage Mr. wren but he rationalized spending $15 million a year for Lowe and over $6 mil a year for Kawakami when the thought was we were short on pitching. They were signed as a “bridge” to our younger hurlers coming to ATL. These were players that played every 4 or 5 days. Gonzalez is an everyday player superb as a defensive anchor to the infield and the thought is $6-7 mil over 2 years is too much. I don.t understand the logic. If he needs to be traded, there will be a market for a player of Gonzalez’ skills over the next 2 years. I agree with the person that said that fans will miss Gonzalez when they see innings prolonged by average play at shortstop.
If the Braves have championship hopes, not investing in defense at shortstop is like doubling down on a 16 against a 10 in Vegas. It’s one thing if we’re going to sign Rollins or Reyes.but that’s not going to happen.
November 23rd, 20118:31 pm
Wilson, SS Prado, 3B
Spot Jones at 3rd, pinch hit role when he’s able to perform.
Somebody in the organization can play left field, can’t they? Hinske?
This is a transitional year. 3rd place, best shot. Next year, Jones’ salary is off the books.
November 23rd, 20118:58 pm
Good move removing an anchor that has been around our neck for the past year and a half. Average fielder, lousy hitter and absolutely no hustle.
November 23rd, 20119:00 pm
I could strike-out Alex G….
November 23rd, 20119:20 pm
September 2011:A choke that will live in infamy.
November 23rd, 20119:24 pm
Why does uncle John always say that I have rocks for brains?
November 23rd, 20119:30 pm
The escobar trade for Gonzo – we got the best of them till Wren gave up Tim Collins who will be a biggy in years to come – Yunel will be a solid SS for many years to come but he pouted more the Gonzo.
November 23rd, 20119:53 pm
Harvey’s: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ (most boring comment found in a blog)
November 23rd, 20119:55 pm
FDR: Probably not. It was bad, but it still was just for a wild card spot.
Chief Noc-A Homa
November 23rd, 201110:02 pm
braves want to get rid of AG, NOWAY! braves announcers said he was one of the greatest ss in baseball!
November 23rd, 201110:17 pm
HEY, Wren was talking about Freddie Gonzalez……not Alex…. LOL
November 23rd, 201110:54 pm
When traded, Escobar wasn’t hitting his weight, was a cancer in the clubhouse, extremely low class, egotistical, and a crybaby, so why would anyone want him on a team? He is his own team.
November 23rd, 201111:56 pm
Sam give it a break. The kid will sign with someone.
November 24th, 201112:13 am
Who will open the season at SS ? Dont be surprised if it’s Raffy Furcal..I am sure by now the need at short will make John S and Frank W all but forget the past debacle,Maybe he can find lightning in the bottle(poor choice of words,Sorry)and Furcal can rejuvenate his career which began ti turn around when he left L/A…As for outfielders,No arbitration for Ryan Ludwick and yes I still like him better than Matt Diaz,He is worth a look.
November 24th, 20116:53 am
Was not a fan of Gonzo or Escobar, both had their momentary lapses fielding routine groundballs. Escobar’s attitude stunk up the clubhouse, Gonzo had a couple of embarrassing moments where he stood in the batters box admiring a would be home run when it bounced off the wall. I’m good with Pastrinicky , who we got in the trade.
November 24th, 20117:32 am
Go Braves…too much hate going on here!!!
Yunel is old bad news and Gonzalez is GONE!!!
Or is it just a Northern Holiday!!!
C. Tampa Ironworse
November 24th, 20118:29 am
DOB is now reporting Braves MIGHT sign Mark Cuban. Is that true, Dave? Or just another made up story?
November 24th, 20118:47 am
Happy Thankgiving DOB and Braves Fans..Eat well!
November 24th, 20119:21 am
Never mind yunel escobar or even Alex Gonzalez because they were not elite shortstops according to the BRAVES-not to mention this ATLANTA team has not even had an elite shortstop since RAFAEL FURCAL and the BRAVES are still looking for a total quality shortstop like FURCAL. GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 24th, 20119:35 am
Yeah, happy thanksgiving!
Why do people keep suggesting Prado can play SS? He can’t. But I do like the idea of holding onto him & giving him another another shot in LF or 3B in case (most likely when) Chipper gets injured.
Hopefully, Wren is talking to J. Wilson for the stopgap SS position & that’ll be pretty good. The Braves have the pieces; they just need them to perform in 2012.
November 24th, 20119:46 am
They always do! The Braves buy them when they came off of a tremendous year they come to Atlanta and forget how to play the game. SAD!
November 24th, 201110:50 am
For the people who are wanting Jose Reyes, just remember over the last 3 years, he has played 295 games. Chipper has played 364 games over the last 3 years, and he’s 40. Reyes is a speedy guy who has major hamstring problems. If he means so much to his team, then why weren’t the Mets a .500 any of the last 3 years? As far as Gonzo, he played great defense, and did as well overall as any $2.5 Million shortstop in the league. There’s still the chance the Braves re-sign him to a 1 year for about the same money. Jack Wilson is a free agent, by the way. If you have any ideas at shortstop, well go to this site…http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/players/?tcid=nav_mlb_players and tell me who out of those we could get to improve the position. Shortstop is in a major downtrend now that steroid testing is in MLB. It’s back to the way it was before the 1990’s. We need to worry about left field. A trade bottling JJ and Prado could net us a large bat. Then the shortstop worries are a lot less to think about.
November 24th, 201111:07 am
I am getting rid of Alex because he hit 240 last year. As you know, I prefer 230 hitters.
November 24th, 201111:24 am
I usually don’t stay up late but last night I stayed up and watched the Duke/Kansas game at the tournament in Maui. Wow! Instant classic. Reminded me of why I love NCAA basketball.
November 24th, 201111:40 am
Prado at shortstop? Then you have another .250 hitter in the lineup, only this one can’t field either.
November 24th, 201111:41 am
seemed like we did well with Rafeal Belliard back in the day. so maybe Agone gets another one year deal. if not we use no hit wilson until the young guys come up. There is no way we will see money spent for a hitting SS this year. of course even if we traded Wilson for Braun or Kemp there are those that would complain.
November 24th, 201112:49 pm
“don’t know whatcha got till it’s gone !!!
Gonzo did a fine job at SS, the most difficult defensive position in the infield. If we had more offensive consistancy at 3rd then Gonzo’s bat would be just fine. Offense at 3rd is easier to replace than defense at SS.
November 24th, 20111:12 pm
This is pretty immaterial. I don’t see why Wren would commit himself to bringing Gonzalez back so early in the offseason when finding a comparable replacement could be cheaper and relatively simple; good glove, no bat. Teams win every year with challenges at shortstop.
Explore any trade opportunities available, sign a veteran stopgap while the prospects further develop. Just don’t give this action (or lack of) any more attention than it deserves within a long offseason of numerous opportunities for an active GM (Wren). Resigning a veteran journeyman isn’t necessary vital when you examine the overall direction the club is taking.
November 24th, 20111:25 pm
The Braves have an abundance of starting pitching,they also have a tight budget . The Red Sox need starting pitching. How about a trade? Minor or Beachy or maybe Delgado to the Red Sox for Jed Lowrie and maybe OF Josh Reddick. Both of these Red Sox meet Frank Wren’s #1 requirement they both make less than $500,000 a year and neither is arbitration eligible for at least 2 years.
Hit A Single
November 24th, 20112:46 pm
Gonzalez = way too many strikeouts. Defense was great all year. Just looked like he was so down on himself all year.
November 24th, 20112:47 pm
Josh Reddick is the replacement for J.D. Drew. Red Sox have been grooming him for that.
November 24th, 20112:50 pm
If Reddick is too valuable for the Red sox to give up ,then how about 3B prospect Will Middlebrooks?
November 24th, 20113:45 pm
It appears that the Braves massive collapse in 2011 has not motivated Frank Wren to make any major moves to improve the 2012 team. I hope the front office will keep all of their options open during the MLB winter meetings. If the Braves hope too keep pace in their division the offense will need a major upgrade from last year.Maybe Wren is hoping that Uggla will step up and carry the load and McCann will bounce back from his late season swoon,and Chipper will find the fountain of youth”and be able to play more than 125 games next year. Maybe Heyward will figure it out and prove he can hit major league pitching.Maybe Freddie Gonzalez will learn from last year and improve his game. Sure sounds like too many “Maybes” to me.
November 24th, 20114:10 pm
I hope fw is just double talking us and is serious discussions with Rollins. What a coup that would be. I’m hoping our talks with KC are still open for jj and Martin. We may as well get something for jj, we know we won’t be able to resign him cause of Boras and I just don’t think Martin is happy in lf and/or back to super utility role. I’m hoping we can get this Seth Smith kid, his splits are awesome and would be perfect platoon with Matty D. AND, if we could somehow get this Moustakas kid, that would be awesome. I think he can play some outfield and would be our next 3rd baseman for years once Chipper retires. I’m not a Chipper hater, frankly it irritates me when you so called Bravo’s fans trash him. True we have to deal with his injuries during his last hurrah, but if you were watching, he was a big plus with the bat when he was in there and he deserves our respect. If we somehow ended up with Rollins, Seth Smith, Moustakas, and maybe a reliever, we’d be set. Heck, we had the 3rd best record in the majors with a month left to play. No one can explain why what happenned happenned, surely that slump is forever buried and forgotten.
November 24th, 20114:16 pm
JACK WILSON? what a joke. whoever just said that was a good option clearly didnt watch every single one of his painful at bats last year for us
November 24th, 20115:01 pm
Jack Wilson is gone , The Braves invited Josh Wilson to spring training ,he used to be a Brewer.
November 24th, 20117:51 pm
People can we FOR THE LAST TIME see that Prado is NOT a SS. There is no way could play there and be an asset to the Braves. His best position is 2B and he is a serviceable 3B with not enough power to take up a corner spot on a team looking to win. If Frank Wren can get any value for him terms of outfield prospects he needs to do it because he’s about to be a highly paid back-up.
November 24th, 20119:05 pm
Please do not speed read the first sentence in the 7:51pm post.
November 25th, 201112:06 am
Sorry, Logan, I read it and agree. Prado is not an option at SS, a position he does not play.
November 25th, 20119:52 am
Say no to Lugo…..We can do better….Sign Gozo for1 year.. He is better than anyone else out there that is available for the same amount of money.
November 25th, 201111:28 am
Gumby (November 23rd, 2011 12:48 pm): “In my opinion this is stupid. Alex is great defensively, seems to be well liked, he still hit .241, and now they have to sign a bridge to Pastornicky!!! Hello, you already had one and his name was Alex Gonzalez. Keep him. Find the money and let him be the bridge and mentor.”
I totally agree.
Thanks for sparing me the time to come up with similar words myself.
November 25th, 201111:33 am
for the last time see that prado is not a-ss (1st line Logan) lol
November 25th, 201112:41 pm
The 2B market is drying up so at some point Prado will hit peak value and Wren is going to trade him. Furcal is fading but he wants a multi year deal and ideally to stay with Cards.
November 25th, 201112:52 pm
Amazing video of a high school senior from Columbia TN who kicks the ball dead straight 75-80 yards in the air. He was successful on 54 of 54 attempts this season….100%. Now he needs a college team.
CJ from VT
November 25th, 20111:04 pm
The Braves should get RH 1B Curt Smith (late of the Dutch National Team, where he hit a ton). He went to college in the northeast (at Maine-so you might not have heard of him) and played for us here in Vermont (on 2 NECBL Championship teams), and he probably won’t hit for a ton of power at the major league level, but he is a great pure hitter (he was just unlucky enough to be stuck in the minors behind Albert Pujols), and is deadly vs. leftys. He’d make a great right handed pinch hitter or minor league insurance at Gwinette and he is a great guy in the clubhouse(he’s from Curacao’ like JJ and Andruw before him). Can someone forward this to Frank Wren, Bruce Manno & Co. please?
November 25th, 20111:53 pm
Sam u – r- a idiot
November 25th, 20113:06 pm
Just want to weigh in that I think Wren is making a big mistake here. Gonzalez, while less than average on offense, is one heck of a great defensive SS. One of the big positives of the 2011 season was the Braves’ much improved defense and a lot of the credit for it goes to Gonzo. I just don’t see how Wren signs a SS to be a bridge to Pastornicky for one season without compromising the team’s defense. Unless I’m totally missing something about available shortstops, there doesn’t appear to be any better options available for a one-year signing.
Alex BYE BYE Baby
November 25th, 20114:57 pm
I like the idea of signing Jimmy Rollins too.
November 25th, 20117:12 pm
is sam trying to lure people to a virus or is the guy in the video his son, give it a rest.
Sam the Retard
November 25th, 201110:04 pm
I am Sam and I poopied my pants. Can I have an ice pop? Will you watch my silly video or I will have a conniption fit and cry rape.
November 26th, 201112:03 am
Jimmy Rollins is a winner who will play with a chip on his shoulder. Bat him leadoff and move Bourn down to 2nd in the lineup with his high average and contact skills. Try to get Quentin from the White Sox or maybe someone like Thames from Toronto to play left field.
November 26th, 201112:04 am
Oh yeah, PRADO CANNOT PLAY SS!! Just wanted to say what’s been said a million times, lol.
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