Braves decline to offer Gonzalez arbitration

The Braves did not offer salary arbitration to free agent shortstop Alex Gonzalez on Wednesday’s deadline, choosing not to risk him accepting and commanding more than $3 million in arbitration.

The Braves forfeited a chance at gaining a supplemental draft pick from another team that signs him.

Gonzalez, 34, is seeking a two-year deal, which the Braves weren’t prepared to offer. He seems likely to get one on the open market, given the demand for shortstops this offseason. Clint Barmes just signed a two-year deal with the Pirates worth $11 million, and veteran shortstop Jamey Carroll signed a two-year deal worth at least $6.5 million with the Twins.

But Gonzalez also might have chosen to stay in Atlanta where he seemed to enjoy his time, and given the raise he’s likely to command on his $2.5 million salary, he did not fit into the Braves plans. Gonzalez is coming off a standout defensive season but hit only .241 with a .270 on-base percentage.

The Braves are looking to either sign or trade for a shortstop to serve as a one-year bridge to prospect Tyler Pastornicky. They also have highly thought of Andrelton Simmons progressing well behind Pastornicky.

The Braves have reportedly expressed interested in the Yankees’ Eduardo Nunez, though as a possible heir apparent to Derek Jeter, the price for him is likely to be high.

As a Type B free agent, the Braves would have receive a supplemental round draft pick between the first and second rounds in next year’s draft from the team that signs Gonzalez, had they offered arbitration. Gonzalez was the Braves’ only ranked free agent.

255 comments Add your comment

MIke#1

November 23rd, 2011
11:25 am

I hope Drew Sutton pans out. Hearing good things.

MIke#1

November 23rd, 2011
11:32 am

34 year old SS that stopped hitting from the day he came to Atlanta. He’ll probably go .300/.400/.500 with 30 HRs next year with another team.

Bobby Hill

November 23rd, 2011
11:32 am

So I guess all that talk about Seabass being such a great asset because of his glove was just bologna.

Around The Horn

November 23rd, 2011
11:36 am

FRANK’S FORESIGHT

Wren wanted Gonzalez badly enough just one and a half seasons ago to trade Y. Escobar for him.

I guess Frank changed his mind.

Some foresight.

I wish the Braves had Yunel back.

ray

November 23rd, 2011
11:40 am

here we go again. let another guy walk for nothing. if he wants a 2 yr deal, why would he accept arbitration and take a 1 yr deal in a good market for SSs ?
if they trade for another SS, they have to pay whoever it is.
coming off a poor year, how much of a raise can he get anyway ? $3-4 mill /yr isn’t much nowadays.
this is a team with no budget from Liberty Media according to some fans ?

PS only good news is that new CBA from yesterday makes Cuddyer and Wilingham signable without signee losing a 1st round pick

[...] The Braves did not offer arbitration to Alex Gonzalez (B), according to David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. [...]

invictus mon

November 23rd, 2011
11:44 am

FIRST!!! To post FIRST, although I’m obviously not 1st.

Rick

November 23rd, 2011
11:44 am

“Wren wanted Gonzalez badly enough just one and a half seasons ago to trade Y. Escobar for him.

I guess Frank changed his mind.”

I think it’s more so the fact that Gonzalez’s wants do not fit with the Braves’ needs.

“coming off a poor year, how much of a raise can he get anyway ? $3-4 mill /yr isn’t much nowadays.”

The fact that they traded Lowe for only $5mill in salary relief says otherwise, or at least when talking about the Braves.

Reality Braves Fan

November 23rd, 2011
11:44 am

If Frank Wren would acquire a legitimate hitter in LF, we could bring Alex and his glove back.

Please don’t tell me Josh Willingham will be in LF next season !

Don’t we have enough .240 hitters in this mediocre lineup?

Furman Bitcher

November 23rd, 2011
11:45 am

Sign Wilingham now and keep Prado

Money Ball

November 23rd, 2011
11:45 am

Alex Gonzalez for Yunel Escobar.

I guess old Frank got skunked again.

Time for a new GM !

invictus mon

November 23rd, 2011
11:48 am

I really don’t konw why fans are saying we’re hampered by budget restraints by Liberty Media. Even without getting more money from them to go shopping, we’ve cleared enough in payroll to get the bridge we need at SS. We’re one player away in the outfield, and I’m sure something will shake loose there. 1st, we’re not so far away we need an astronomical budget to replace the team. The top free agents on the market really aren’t worth what they’re commanding. It’s as an unexciteable FA group as has come through in recent memory. Biggest team needs, an outfield bat, Heyward to come back around, bridge at SS, and a world class hitting coach. All due respect, nothing about that screams budget constraint to me. Chill people, I’m glad we got rid of Gonzo, he was worthless at the plate. That’s one problem solved and we saved $3M doing it. Saved $5M to fix the last problem with Lowe. Seems like Wren is making some great business decisions here.

Frank Wren

November 23rd, 2011
11:50 am

I’ve got Josh Willingham on the speed dial.

I just love guys that hit .240 (or less) and hit those solo homers.

wjones

November 23rd, 2011
11:50 am

Anyone remember what Yunel was batting when he was traded? Also, make up your minds–you folks who want management to be “tough” with the players, were you defending keeping Yunel, who burned bridges weekly with the Braves?

invictus mon

November 23rd, 2011
11:51 am

If Atlanta fans had their way every year we’d all go crazy trying to learn the last names and numbers of the 25 new Braves each year, twice on leap years.

cornjolio

November 23rd, 2011
11:51 am

Tim Hudson is in his final contract year. Trade him & his $9 million salary so Frank can acquire a REAL slugger for LF. His overall career in ATL has been average at best.

cornjolio

November 23rd, 2011
11:53 am

Yunel hit .290 w/11 HRS & 48 RBIS with a .369 OBP in 2011

Its amazing once a player gets away from the fence swingers in ATL how much better they do.

Chris from the Rock

November 23rd, 2011
11:53 am

And starting at SS, batting eighth….Brandon Hicks! (crickets)

invictus mon

November 23rd, 2011
11:54 am

Yunel’s 1st season as a non Brave he was TERRIBLE. His batting was worse than Gonzo’s. Wren looked like a genius, but no one saw it because they didn’t want to. He was an attitude problem in the clubhouse, didn’t hustle on the field all the time, but that was all excused because he made circus play after circus play at SS and he was a clutch hitter (something Gonzo could never be confused of). Wren saw that train going downhill. Ya Yunel corrected for it some last year, but really guys? Only trade he’s made that left my head spinning was the Vasquez trade. That one still doesn’t make sense to me.

Odelay

November 23rd, 2011
11:54 am

No need to bring A-Gon back when they just gave Josh Wilson a Minor League deal. Wilson does just as good of a job of not hitting a lick while playing great defense. I like it. We’ve got an option now to fill in until Pastornicky’s ready and it won’t cost millions of dollars.

Frank Wren

November 23rd, 2011
11:55 am

We love the fence swingers in Atlanta. The kids just love it when the fireworks go off after a meaningless solo HR.

Billy Marlin

November 23rd, 2011
11:57 am

before the new drug testing agreement kicks in 2013, maybe you can re-acquire former can’t miss Brave Jordan Schafer for left field !

Mike

November 23rd, 2011
11:59 am

Or coke head Logan Morrison from Marlins

Rick

November 23rd, 2011
12:00 pm

“Tim Hudson is in his final contract year. Trade him & his $9 million salary so Frank can acquire a REAL slugger for LF. His overall career in ATL has been average at best.”

Average at best? He’s arguably been the ace of the staff the past couple season. 3.22 ERA in 2011, 2.83 in 2010.

“Only trade he’s made that left my head spinning was the Vasquez trade. That one still doesn’t make sense to me.”

Although it didn’t make sense, it actually worked out quite well. Vasquez had a terrible year in 2010, getting Mike Dunn led to Dan Uggla, and we also have one of our best prospects in Vizcaino.

Billy Marlin

November 23rd, 2011
12:00 pm

Haven’t had a legit SS since Furcal escaped town and you traded away Yunel Escobar because Chipper and the other rednecks in the clubhouse didn’t like him. Chipper gets what he wants.

Once Chipper retires the Braves might go back to being a legitimate threat in the NL East.

Billy

November 23rd, 2011
12:01 pm

A tiny example: On a Sunday afternoon earlier this season, Escobar drove a ball in the gap in left-center. His hit brought home the go-ahead run, but somehow he managed to get thrown out at second base on a ball so perfectly placed that it would have been a double for anybody else in the big leagues. (Put it this way: Sid Bream would have made it.)

Escobar got thrown out because he watched the flight of the ball and admired his work, as opposed to running hard. The Braves noticed. The Braves always noticed. As one man in the clubhouse said afterward, exasperation in his voice: “He has been told time and time again.”

Billy Marlin

November 23rd, 2011
12:02 pm

Rick,

Dan Uggla is a good thing?

a porn star chasing .232 hitting solo homer hitting goof is good for the Braves?

The Marlins are still thanking Uggly for leaving !

Red Bird

November 23rd, 2011
12:03 pm

The Braves “noticed”.

Yeah, the Braves noticed their wildcard lead evaporate and the Cardinals march triumphantly to another World Championship.

Rick

November 23rd, 2011
12:03 pm

“Dan Uggla is a good thing?

a porn star chasing .232 hitting solo homer hitting goof is good for the Braves?”

Assuming he hits like he did for the first 5 seasons of his career and not like the first half of last season, yes.

Rick

November 23rd, 2011
12:04 pm

“The Braves “noticed”.

Yeah, the Braves noticed their wildcard lead evaporate and the Cardinals march triumphantly to another World Championship.”

What does that even have to do with having Gonzalez instead of Escobar? Gonzalez was arguably the hottest hitter on the team at the end of the season until he got injured.

Billy

November 23rd, 2011
12:06 pm

Marlins Traded Miguel Cabrera because he could stay sober or coke out of his nose and was the laziest player on team. Do the Marlins have any Americans on the team? Oh yeah LoGo

milesarcher33

November 23rd, 2011
12:07 pm

Odelay: Your post confuses me. Are you confusing Josh Wilson for Jack Wilson?

milesarcher33

November 23rd, 2011
12:07 pm

Odelay: Your post confuses me. Are you confusing Josh Wilson for Jack Wilson?

Devil's Advocate

November 23rd, 2011
12:09 pm

The Braves are on a budget. The first modern rule of corporate spending is “a dollar spent is a dollar too much.” It doesn’t matter that we’ve freed up cap space or offloaded $5 million of Lowe’s salary, the Braves probably won’t spend big at any single position since they opened up for Uggla last year. I’d be shocked if they spent more than $2 million per year for a SS for 2012-13.

bruce mac

November 23rd, 2011
12:13 pm

DOB, what about the guy we got from Seattle last year?

Whatever

November 23rd, 2011
12:16 pm

Yeah Yunel is pretty durable also. Playing in 133 games. Complain about Chipper?

Homo the Brave

November 23rd, 2011
12:18 pm

Bring back Edgar Renteria.

[...] O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports that Gonzalez is looking for a two-year contract and it’s tough to blame him after seeing [...]

[...] O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports that Gonzalez is looking for a two-year contract and it’s tough to blame him after seeing [...]

DREW

November 23rd, 2011
12:21 pm

The Braves will look at things with long term as priority, which isn’t a bad way to do it as they have put themself in a very good position going forward. They are not going to spend a lot on something that they’ll only need for one year. While this can be frustrating because they aren’t going all out to win next year, remember that there is so much luck involved. Just look at the NL playoffs the last two years.

Felix

November 23rd, 2011
12:22 pm

Now Frank Wren will probably go out and sign a 39 year old lifetime .230 BA shortstop to a 5 year contract for $8,000,00 a year.

Let's Go

November 23rd, 2011
12:26 pm

I don’t care what Alex did while he was in Atlanta, just getting rid of that slacker Escobar was worth it.

TommyP

November 23rd, 2011
12:36 pm

Great move.

And no way Gonzalez gets a multi-year deal. Those other guys are true utility guys. (Carroll and Barmes)

Drew

November 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm

You people complaining about solo homers need to realize they can’t control if someone is on base in from of them. Just a logical thought…something many of you seem to no nothing of.

Also, Devil’s Advocate, there is no “cap” in baseball. So no need to free up cap space. Did you mean to post on the Atlanta Falcons’ board?

VOR

November 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm

Everyone seems to forget that Pastornicky was acquired along with Gonzo in the Escobar trade…

Red Bird

November 23rd, 2011
12:38 pm

The Braves’ haven’t been relevent since 1999, their last World Series apearance.

They really look like they know what they are doing. Keep overpaying old players and plugging holes with retreads and Kmart specials. The blue light is on, Frank Wren !

urban redneck

November 23rd, 2011
12:39 pm

i would like to pee on anyone that wishes yunel was still here.

Ozzie

November 23rd, 2011
12:40 pm

Wren/Braves have struggled with player evaluation (when to hold/fold) and remediation (fixing). Escobar was fixable but Bobby was too old, tired and wasn’t able to reach him. The spanish speaking of bench coach wasn’t either but he kept collecting a check. Add in the language issue with the other players, style of the team (reserved, green eye shades) and he was doomed.

He could have been sent to the minors for repair work on his behavior (that would have hit his pride, benching just pissed him off) but wasn’t. Just like Frenchie should have been put in AA or AAA for at least a half a season versus being send down for a few days and then shortly thereafter traded for nothing.

The Braves off load their problems on other teams via trade or release players only to see them (in the short or at most intermediate term) completely turn it around. Heyward could be the next victim of this trend. Mark it down he is on that trajectory.

Apart from horrific dumpster bin pitchers Wren/JS has picked up along the way and then tossed aside most of the position players who have been cut loose (and were good before ATL) have returned to good if not very good performance levels. You have to ask yourself (many have) “why is that?” It is happening too many times to be dumb luck.

ATL has something wrong with its core but they artfully mask it with a veneer that the media and people who watch them from afar are swayed by. They are trading on their name, their history versus what they are actually doing especially at the ML level.

No major bats up n down the minors. People are taking what objectively look like utility players or 4th OF (Pastor, Terd) and hyping them up to be 6-12mos away from ML readiness.

Pastornicky has a below avg arm and a lead glove. He will be an Infante w/o the arm at best not a starting SS with years in that one position.

Terds hit a bunch and then faded in the AFL that is about it.

It is nice to notice these guys but there is nothing excellent in the minors right now apart from pitching.

Until the FO gets broomed and the style/staff of on field mgt (up and down the major and minor leagues) changes the Braves will give up early or hang on too long failing to find a middle ground. Great talent will be screwed up and tossed away blaming the player w/o blaming mgt. It takes two to tango or players could run the games themselves w/o coaches.

don

November 23rd, 2011
12:43 pm

Don’t the Braves have Elvis Andrus to take over at shortstop. Surely even the dullard Braves weren’t dumbl enough to trade him, were they?

Joe Nuxhall

November 23rd, 2011
12:46 pm

So some still think that the Braves have money available to buy a good SS and LF. Yes, that’s true if you’re going by last year’s salaries. They don’t realize that for some odd reason baseball players get nice pay increases each year. It’s usually worked into their contract – small, but huge when compared to the common man’s earnings. Meanwhile, all of us in this office have worked for four years without a wage increase.

Gumby

November 23rd, 2011
12:48 pm

In my opinion this is stupid. Alex is great defensively, seems to be well liked, he still hit .241, and now they have to sign a bridge to Pastornicky!!! Hello, you already had one and his name was Alex Gonzalez. Keep him. Find the money and let him be the bridge and mentor. This really hurts for Mark Cuban to decline the Braves. We have never recovered from Ted Turner no longer being our owner and Cuban would have fit the mold.

JC Brave

November 23rd, 2011
12:50 pm

Everyone seems to forget that Pastornicky was acquired along with Gonzo in the Escobar trade…

Who cares about that sh!t? Pastornicky is just a bridge between Alex-No-Hitting-Gonzalez and Andrelton Simmons…

Brandon

November 23rd, 2011
12:54 pm

Are people forgetting that Tyler Pastornicky was in the Escobar deal as well. And why are people so upset gonzo is gone when everybody talked so badly about his offense all season? Seems quite hypocritical to me

Six year Old Boy at Turner Field Next June

November 23rd, 2011
12:59 pm

(As Uggla goes up to hit)…………………….Daddy, what is a porn queen?

Bobby Cox

November 23rd, 2011
1:00 pm

Gonzo knew he couldn’t hit anymore, never really has hit except in Toronto on a home run factory team. He focused on D and excelled. We need a MLB player, i.e. a player who can do both (hit/play D). Farm is loaded with SS prospects. Its time to have a good old fashion competition amongst super talented young players. I just pray Julio Lugo and his minor league contract isn’t a sign of a bigger role for him. After all the new CBA changes the rules for signings, so who knows as of yet. But, If Lugo is on the bench Im coming back

JC Brave

November 23rd, 2011
1:07 pm

Ozzie – You hit the nail on the head, my man.
Gumby – One part of ”Gonzalez is seeking a two-year deal” you don’t understand? The Braves want someone cheaper thanks to Liberty Media and because they need to solve their other needs.

JC Brave

November 23rd, 2011
1:10 pm

Meant ”What* part of” instead of ”One part of..”

don

November 23rd, 2011
1:11 pm

JC Brave is correct. Pastornicky is just a fill in. Simmons, though no Andrus by a long shot, is likely the future.

ATLcracker

November 23rd, 2011
1:11 pm

Let’s state the escobar trade completely. It wasn’t straight up escobar for gonzalez.
Toronto got SS Yunel Escobar and SP Jo-Jo Reyes (7-11 5.57 ERA for toronto/baltimore 2011)
Atlanta got SS Alex Gonzalez, SS Tyler Pastornicky and LHP Tim Collins ({subsequently traded for Ankiel/Farnsworth] who was 4-4 3.63 ERA with 60 SO in 67 innings for Kansas City this year as a Rookie.) I would say heavily in Atlanta’s favor so far plus we got rid of this-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP-oaX5×3q0

Sweet Old Buck

November 23rd, 2011
1:12 pm

First, Jack Wilson, followed by Tyler Pastornicky, then Andrelton Simmons. Works for me. Terdo goes to third unless Salcedo breaks out, which puts Terdo in LF. How’s that for the future?

LOB Braves

November 23rd, 2011
1:13 pm

Yay. The no-hitting Seabass is gone.

David O'Brien

November 23rd, 2011
1:14 pm

Are people forgetting that Tyler Pastornicky was in the Escobar deal as well.

And Tim Collins, too. Braves ended up trading the little lefty reliever to K.C., though. He had a 3.63 ERA and 60 strikeouts in 67 innings in 2011 as a 21-year-old rookie for the Royals.

ChillyMutt

November 23rd, 2011
1:17 pm

Ummm $2.5 million for one year? I would gladly sign Alex for that. Not going to find a better defensive SS than him.

Worldwide Clyde

November 23rd, 2011
1:17 pm

Elvis Andrus would fit in perfectly right now. That trade for Teixeira was just as bad as the Dominique Wilkins trade.

david

November 23rd, 2011
1:18 pm

We should not have traded Escobar

PMC

November 23rd, 2011
1:21 pm

Given the fact that he cost money, he was not in the Braves plans….

Sweet Old Buck

November 23rd, 2011
1:22 pm

Forget Willingham! Carlos Quentin will be in LF.

PMC

November 23rd, 2011
1:23 pm

Gonzo, for all his hitting woes, may have been the most consistent player on the team in September, even through his injuries. The guy hit some big home runs late.

Everyone else on the team, forgot how to play baseball.

Stop Using "Brave New World"

November 23rd, 2011
1:23 pm

What is everyone complaining about? Gonzo has never finished an entire season with a batting average over .280 or more than 23 HRs. Career (12 years): .247, 152 hr, 665 rbi, 1123 so, 289 BB in 5552 ABs.
For Comparison: This Brave SS career: (13 years): .262 avg, .760 ops, 122 hr, 513 rbi, 937 so, 569 BB in 4522 ABs. Career season high avg .308, HR 17s. ops: .887
Jeff Blauser.

UKUGA

November 23rd, 2011
1:25 pm

Did Alex get another standing ovation?

PMC

November 23rd, 2011
1:29 pm

I’m sure now that they have at least 7.5 million to spend next year, they’ll be able to find someone before Spring Training that can play short stop.

dap01

November 23rd, 2011
1:35 pm

Actually Hicks would be just as good as Wilson, Gonzolas, or any other defensive SS that our budget will allow. What are your thoughts?

If we want a .240 hitting SS that can hit 10 hrs, we already have him in Hicks. Hicks would be good if he was hitting 8th and there was some (any) outfield production.

PMC

November 23rd, 2011
1:36 pm

Does Terdoslavich have good mobility and an above average throwing arm?

fishy

November 23rd, 2011
1:36 pm

Bring back the Thrashers

Obozonomics

November 23rd, 2011
1:38 pm

Quick find some occupy people to protest this 1% salaries….

ATLcracker

November 23rd, 2011
1:40 pm

Just read Dave O’Brien’s article where an Arizona Fall League scout compared Atlanta draft pick LHP Sean Gilmartin to Steve Avery. I wonder if some of you younger fans realize how good Avery was before he got hurt. Last 3 full years before the injury 667 innings pitched W-L 47-25 ERA 3.24 376 SO. In the 1991 NLCS against the Pirates with Barry Bonds, Andy Van Slyke, Bobby Bonilla et al he pitched two consecutive 1-0 shutouts. Truly a tragedy his career ended so soon.

jim

November 23rd, 2011
1:42 pm

SS is primarily a defense-first position. Given Chipper’s statuesque range at 3B, the Braves cannot afford a below average defensive SS (Pastornicky) or the left side of the infiield will be where grounders go to become base hits. Unless in the unlikely event they sign one of the two R’s, they are unlikey to find much (if any) of an upgrade over Gonzo on the market short of a trade.

Harvey's

November 23rd, 2011
1:46 pm

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jim

November 23rd, 2011
1:51 pm

At this stage of his career Avery threw in the mid 90’s. He was a consensus top 5 draft pick when he was selected. Avery did not have very good seasonal numbers in ‘95, but he pitched well down the stretch, including the clinching game against Cincinnati in the Divisional Series, and Game 4 of the World Series.

TruthSeeker

November 23rd, 2011
1:59 pm

If Wren coukd get Nunez for Jurrjens, he should jump at that deal. Is it equal value? Probably not, but considering that Jurrjens’ stock is at an all-time low right now, it’s probably about as well as Wren could do to get a versatile player with a quality bat who can bridge the gap at SS until Pastornicky is ready. Then, down the road, Nunez could possibly be Chipper’s replacement at 3B.

A player like Nunez would have a ton of value to fhe Braves, and we have the necessary trade chip to get him.

JC Brave

November 23rd, 2011
2:01 pm

Then, down the road, Nunez could possibly be Chipper’s replacement at 3B

HeII no!

BDUD1

November 23rd, 2011
2:04 pm

Why dont the Braves just move Prado to short, Use the money not spent on Gonzalez, add it to the kiddy and find a bat in left field..?

Fundamentals folks, Fundamentals……

Frank Wren

November 23rd, 2011
2:06 pm

Josh Willingham is 33, hits .240 & he’s from Alabama.

From a PR standpoint he’d be perfect fit in Atlanta.

I’ll pencil him in for LF.

Let the solo HRS commence ! I’ll have to order extra fireworks for next season !

Jose Reyes

November 23rd, 2011
2:06 pm

Please pick me up Braves. :(

Steve

November 23rd, 2011
2:08 pm

Can we trade Frank Wren?

nelson

November 23rd, 2011
2:09 pm

finally , bye bye gonzales

sign reyes cmon wren..

bravo-n-knoxville

November 23rd, 2011
2:10 pm

Yunel “Kangaroo Kid” Escobar was a waste due to his ‘tude and lack of hustle. You know…useless as titz on a boar hog with saber like teeth protruding from ‘dem jaws…no thanks!!!

Jack Wilson will probably be re-signed for about $1.25-1.5 million for 2012 and serve as our starting day SS…unless Tyler Pastornicky wears it out this spring…imho.

Jose Reyes

November 23rd, 2011
2:13 pm

Jerry Seinfeld named his woggie dawg after me. Frank, if you pick me up, Jerry will have no choice but to trade his Mets hat in for a Braves hat. I’m his favorite Met player ever you know. Think of the publicity….Maybe Seinfeld will even do the tomahawk chop.

dap01

November 23rd, 2011
2:14 pm

DOB: If the Braves are going to go with a defensive SS (meaning no offense), then why don’t they let Hicks man the position for 1/2 of the year and then turn it over to Pastornicky? Isn’t Hicks defensively strong?

The line up will be fine with Hicks hitting 8th, if there are legit hitters in 1-7 in the lineup.

What are your thoughts?

Native Atlanta

November 23rd, 2011
2:14 pm

No matter what the Braves do, Im betting it will be the wrong decision in the long run.

hop

November 23rd, 2011
2:14 pm

another bad trade by frank wren and the braves.

the braves will be worse in 2012 as the east becomes stronger.

Brave New World

November 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm

Sign Jimmy Rollins. We get a gold glove, switch-hitting shortstop with leadership ability who can steal 30 bases, and hit about .270 with some power. His 3-4 years at $12 million – $15 million per year will feel like a budget pinch in 2012, but with Chipper and Lowe off the books in 2013, it will be just fine. Plus, we automatically weaken the aging Phils’ line up even further.

Nerdbucket Moylan

November 23rd, 2011
2:27 pm

I know DOB vehemently disagrees to this day, but trading Escobar at mid-season (we had 2nd best record in MLB at the time) helped to kill this team in 2010. We dealt Blanco whose OBP was .394 in 2010 for RicK AnKiel obp=garbage. Wren helped to stifle the heck out of the team in 2010. We looked primed for a playoff run before these moves.. We already had low obp mccout, melky, and other jokes in the lineup bringing the OBP down. At the time of the Escobar trade, 95% of this blog heralded it as a fantastic trade. Joke. If we HAD to deal escobar do it in the offseason. Booby only had a half season left to go and we already had our eyes set on a cuban manager for next season Maybe they could’ve meshed? Lest we forget, Chipper defends Escobar to this day. Ozzie 12:40pm pretty nice post,man. Something is wrong with our talent evaluation somewhere. KK, Lowe, Mccout, Alex Gonzalez, Rick Ankiel, Melky Cabrera, Jack Wilson, Scott Linebrink. We are striking out way too often….Wren ultimately calls the shots so we need to put the heat on him.

jim

November 23rd, 2011
2:36 pm

BDUD,
PRADO CAN’T PLAY SS !!!!!!!!

Why not Nunez as a bridge to Pastornicky? Nunez >> Pastornicky

jim

November 23rd, 2011
2:39 pm

Sign Rollins, …. we automatically weaken the aging Phillies —
Rollins is one of the AGING Phillies. His nubers and playing time have been down the last 2 years, and he will demand and get a multiyear contract. We don’t want to be part of hat contract 3-4 years out.

Pissed off Ralphus

November 23rd, 2011
2:41 pm

Trade Pastornicky for a Pastor’s blessing, a DVD of Little Nicky, some popcorn and go get a proven Jose Reyes! It’s time to let the past go (Yunel/Gonzo), quit farting around and go for a proven stud.

Nerdbucket Moylan

November 23rd, 2011
2:53 pm

Jamey Carroll would have been the right signing for our current situation. Twins had to give him $6.5 mil over 2 years and we shouldve offered the same. Seems reasonable to me, what about ya’ll? I know that he turns 38 this winter, but consider that he’s consistently a well above average obp producer, .(356 career), and he’s versatile. Also, consider the fact that if Pastornicky, (or Simmons though unlikely), shows that he’s ready late in 2012 then Carroll becomes trade bait or he fills conrad’s role. Those bloggers calling for Jose Reyes or Jimmy Rollins should just save their keyboard.

richbrave

November 23rd, 2011
2:54 pm

Oh stop with the silliness! Don’t you realize that WREN intends to leave A-GON’s position vacant, and play with no SS next season.

It’s a plan to cut payroll don’t you see. We really only need three infielders with the way JONES – UGGLA – FREEMAN handle the glove.

Rumors are that BOURNE will be shaded over in left center and HEYWARD in right center with no third outfielder either.

VOILA! All we need now is a utility bench player to back up PRADO at SS when we want to flood the infield against the better hitting teams. CONRAD is out.

BRILLIANT plan don’t you think?

Playoffs!!!

November 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm

If Escobar is so much of clubhouse problem, why did the Blue Jays give him a 2-year $9 million contract recently?
He didn’t fit in here? Maybe we should have got rid of the rest of the team and kept Yunel
Just a thought.

Pissed off Ralphus

November 23rd, 2011
3:02 pm

LOL@richbrave. Leave the position vacant……LOL! Couldn’t do any worse than we did in September!!!!

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