7:46 pm November 18, 2011, by David O'Brien
November 28th, 201111:55 am
Lew … I’ve read a bunch of opinions about why Marlins attendance is so poor. I suspect that there will be a short term “new stadium” boost. However, I think the Marlins will go the way of the Expos, forever doomed to low attendance, regardless of the quality of the team.
November 28th, 201111:56 am
I like the name Starlin Castro.
Brings to mind the great Jim Starlin (of Adam Warlock fame).
November 28th, 201111:57 am
abwright – Yeah – Pretty much what I think, too. Stadium looks pretty nice, though.
Jim Starlin was a damned good artist.
November 28th, 201112:04 pm
Lew … and a great story-teller and innovator.
November 28th, 201112:07 pm
Although Jim Starlin doesn’t really have much range at SS.
November 28th, 201112:10 pm
Nah, JIm’s a tad old for the BIgs these days. Always one of my favorites, though – along with the Severins and Barry Smith. Always wanted to draw comics – but still have my rejection letter from Marvel.
Fortunately, baseball art been very very, good to me.
November 28th, 201112:16 pm
Good morning everyone, how was everyone’s Thanksgiving? Mine went great, got to spend some quality time with my father. It was the first time I ever ate a meal in the bedroom. Since my father is bed ridden, we decided to set up a couple of tables in the bedroom that way we could all eat together as a family.
November 28th, 201112:25 pm
Lew … I hadn’t thought about Barry Smith in ages. I loved his Avengers 99-100. He wasn’t as prolific as others, but the work was high quality.
And who didn’t want to be a comic book artist? At least you applied for work.
November 28th, 201112:30 pm
abwright – I never made a fortune doing fantasy/comics/sci fi art, though I made a living for a few years, but I did get to meet a lot of the legends like Kirby, Nael Adams all of the D&D artists and most of the cover painters like Mike Whelan and Don Maitz (painted the Captain Morgan Pirate) and most of the authors like Robert Bloch and Andre Norton and correspoded with Roger Zelazy for 15 years.
Even got to see Jerry Falwell freak totally over a bunch of Kligons.
November 28th, 201112:31 pm
And Barry Smith’s Conan work was epic.
November 28th, 201112:38 pm
Makes you wonder if the Phillies reach out to Wagner is a testimate to his closing ability, or to Papelbons Volitility. — 13 stitches
13 stiches, man you don’t even have to bother reading the “entire” two-paragraph link, just read the very first sentence:
The Phillies had an outside-the-box idea before signing Jonathan Papelbon this winter.
November 28th, 201112:51 pm
it sure is nice to not have to pay a closer12-13mil per season. kimbrel is as good as any closer in baseball, i think, and he is cheap. i love the added emphasis on the bullpen over the last few years, too. its something i feel like scheurholtz let slip a little bit.
November 28th, 20111:05 pm
Yup, good to have KIMBREL, but we still need a SS badly. I don’t think any of the kids are ready, we shoud have tryed to work something out with A-GON.
November 28th, 20111:26 pm
Bourn – CF
Heyward – RF
Jones – 3B
McCann – C
Uggla – 2B
Freeman – 1B
Smith/Diaz – LF
Pastornicky – SS
Ross – C
Hinske – OF/1B
Smith/Diaz – OF
Sutton – IF/OF
Constanza/Durango – OF
Hudson – RHP
Hanson – RHP
Beachy – RHP
Minor – LHP
Delgado – RHP
Asencio – LRP
Vavaro – MRP
Martinez – MRP
Medlen – LOOGY
O’Flaherty – SUP
Venters – SUP
Kimberly – CP”
If the Braves go into next season with that team, they won’t make the playoffs. That’s not even a bold prediction.
November 28th, 20111:35 pm
Wow, yeah cause that nearly same team missed the playoffs by a game this year. Whatever man. Pretty sure a collapse like they had was damn flukey, regardless of what some of the constant complainers would say. Once in a blue moon do so many things go so wrong in such a short time for a team like that. I don’t care how many guys are slumping, or a manager might mismanage games.
November 28th, 20111:37 pm
Throw in the fact the Cardinals went on such a hot streak. So many things had to go right for them to catch us, and so many wrong things had to go wrong on our end. It did.
November 28th, 20111:39 pm
Braves sign Beltran yet? I keep checking…but no sign of it yet.
November 28th, 20111:41 pm
Thanks for the heads up, Wow. Now I don’t even have to bother watching how next season unfolds because you’ve “told” us. Again, thanks.
November 28th, 20111:42 pm
George, there are plenty of SS’s out there that cant hit. the fielding might not be on par with gonzalez, but keep in mind that gonzalez had his best defensive season ever…and it could have had a little to do with freddie over at 1st base. i dont think its crazy to think that future SS for the braves will see their defense improve, because they will be willing to go after balls and make throws that they wouldnt have the confidence to make otherwise.
yes, im saying that gonzalez’s defense this past season had alot to do with freddie, and i would expect to see any SS the braves get to have improved defensive performances as long as freddie freeman is at 1st.
Aside from not having JJ and Prado, what about that team is any worse than last years team?
I agree that they won’t make the playoffs though. Because that team has 28 players on it, so they’ll probably be DQ’d by MLB if they run it out there.
I think DOB finally got burned out on the old blog. Can’t say I blame him. So many rock heads here that no matter how hard you try and explain things they won’t budge on their stupidity. Most here are still cool though.
November 28th, 20111:45 pm
Gonzalez’s good defensive season could also be due to the great job the Braves grounds crew does of creating a consistent playing surface, especially compared with his previous teams (Florida, Boston, Cincinatti, and Toronto. Cincy is the only one of those that I haven’t heard bad things about the infield.)
But the new SS would get that bump as well, so for the purpose of your point it doesn’t really matter.
November 28th, 20111:46 pm
MFin04, Beltran? Yeah right. Why would you want him anyways. Pay all that money and just sit and wait for his next injury is what’ll happen. Plus Anders, who should know all about Beltran, even questions his heart at times. Plays for that big pay day.
November 28th, 20111:48 pm
If the Braves go into next season with that team, they won’t make the playoffs. That’s not even a bold prediction
You’re couldn’t be more right
November 28th, 20111:54 pm
wren wont get anybody until he comes off of his precious pitching. pitching doesnt score runs.
November 28th, 20111:56 pm
RC Gonzalez’s good defensive season could also be due to the great job the Braves grounds crew does of creating a consistent playing surface,
i think that matters alot as well, and i actually think it is very pertinent to my point.
my point is that gonzo had been pretty up and down defensively in his career before coming to atlanta and having a career year with the glove. maybe its not just because of him, and any SS on this team will have a career year defensively. (course “career year” varies by player, but still…)
November 28th, 20111:57 pm
Broxton Likely To Sign Soon
By Zach Links [November 28 at 12:13pm CST]
MONDAY, 12:13pm: A friend of Broxton tells Joel Sherman of the New York Post that all things being equal, the reliever wants to be close to his Georgia home. Sherman finds the Braves unlikely, but thinks the Marlins or Rays make sense. Abbott told Dylan Hernandez of the L.A. Times this morning that a tentative deal should be reached in the next few days, but his client won’t be returning to the Dodgers.
November 28th, 20111:59 pm
Yeah, I typed my last comment poorly. When I said that “so for the purpose of your point it doesn’t really matter”, I meant that it didn’t contridict what you had said at all. Basically we agree on the effect on Gonzo’s defense, even if it was for different reasons.
This guy might wind up in Florida. Theres a lot of swirl in the NL east so far which makes things interesting for next season. It might not be a lock for the Phils or Braves if the Marlins sign a few people and the Nationals continue to progress.
But all in all, i just have a gut feeling that Mr Wren is going to shock us all once again.
November 28th, 20112:01 pm
broxton is from over here in my neck of the woods, over in burke county. they have a athletic complex over there (i think its just a field) that is named after him. right next to the county jail. seriously.
Yikes. Looks like I walked into the room when the glass-half-empty-Braves-suck-and-our-lives-suck crowd has taken up residence. Remind me again guys: How many games behind all the other teams do the Braves begin the season on opening day? Oh, and I didn’t know that November 27 was the last day that teams could make moves. Seems as if many here think that is the case. Patience, grasshoppers.
November 28th, 20112:08 pm
“Wow, yeah cause that nearly same team missed the playoffs by a game this year. Whatever man. ”
Oh yes, they only missed the playoffs last year by one game. What a great achievement.
Welp, I’m convinced, they’re world series bound
November 28th, 20112:10 pm
“Pay all that money and just sit and wait for his next injury is what’ll happen.”
The Braves should be used to it by now. With Chipper on the team
November 28th, 20112:11 pm
It might not be a lock for the Phils or Braves if the Marlins sign a few people and the Nationals continue to progress.
Uh, yes, it is. A lock, I mean. Neither the Marlins nor the Nats will be ready for prime-time next year. Simply too big a gap to close.
Sure, one of those teams might get career years from the entire roster and defy all rational projections, but I worry less about that than about the Mayans being right.
November 28th, 20112:12 pm
Ah yes, the kool-aid drinkers. The same ones who told everyone that the Braves had the WC wrapped up in August.
Smart bunch, you are.
WOW and Patrick – Why don’t you 2 call up Mitchell, and the 3 of you have your own little around the clock pitty party?
November 28th, 20112:16 pm
Smart enough to know that the roster you’re berating has zero chance of being the actual 2012 roster, anyway. How much can it matter that a fantasy roster of bad choices, never making the light of day, wouldn’t make the playoffs?
November 28th, 20112:17 pm
“Uh, yes, it is. A lock, I mean. Neither the Marlins nor the Nats will be ready for prime-time next year. Simply too big a gap to close.”
Someone should’ve told the D’Backs that.
No one can touch the Phillies, but I think the Marlins or Nationals can leapfrog the Braves. The Nationals are getting better than better (and finished closer to the Braves than the Braves did to the Phillies) and the Marlins just might sign two big free agents.
November 28th, 20112:23 pm
The Nationals are getting better than better and the Marlins just might sign two big free agents.
Where, exactly, are the Nats going to increase their win total? “Better and better” how, I’m asking?
And say the Marlins sign two, heck, even three big FAs. How does that help their win total, exactly? Where are their deficiences made less deficient?
Most fans always overestimate the value of a single player (or two, or three, even) and underestimate the difficulty of gaining even five games in the win column. Let alone 10 or 15.
Lee in S GA
November 28th, 20112:29 pm
I’m satisfied currently because of all the “minus” moves that have taken place more than the “addition” moves that have not taken place. Lowe and noodle arm-pretty boy Nate are out and AGON appears to be on his way out also. There is some need of holiday celebration over the off-season so far.
November 28th, 20112:34 pm
ncscoots Uh, yes, it is. A lock, I mean. Neither the Marlins nor the Nats will be ready for prime-time next year. Simply too big a gap to close.
there is a pretty big gap between the phillies and those two teams, but the gap between the nats and the braves is not that big. i dont think they will beat out the braves either, but its hardly a lock, especially since we dont even know what the teams will look like for 2012.
November 28th, 20112:37 pm
scoots, 5 games is nothing. 10 game swings happen alot, too. not uncommon at all.
November 28th, 20112:39 pm
Woe is us. No way we make the playoff this year. After all, we’ve lost Lowe and McLouth. We don’t have a short stop, and it looks like Wren won’t be able to find one, it being November 28 already. Also, we’re “stuck” with Bourn for a full season now. Prado and Heyward are bound to be worse, Uggla will probably be horrible for the first half…and McCann, Chipper, and the entire pitching staff will get hurt…guaranteed! Whatg will we do? (Sheesh).
November 28th, 20112:42 pm
Anyone speaking in absolutes at this point of the offseason is and idiot. Absolutely anyone
In all seriousness, none of us can be certain who will win what next year. If Halladay, Lee, and Hamels all end up needing TJ surgery after the first week of the season, then Philly suddenly isn’t the “lock” that we all think they are. A LOT of things can and will happen over the course of a 162 game season, so all we can do right now is say what we expect to happen based on the information presently available. But no one “knows” what’s going to happen.
November 28th, 20112:43 pm
RC, but you have to admit, if anyone did, it would be scoots.
Bay Area Steve
November 28th, 20112:45 pm
“If Halladay, Lee, and Hamels all end up needing TJ surgery after the first week of the season” – RC
Man. Here I thought a dry turkey and a bad first date made for a rough week…
November 28th, 20112:48 pm
much of the reason for Gonzo’s up and down over the years have been injuries, notice his at bats. He has always been regarded in baseball as a well above average SS when healthy
I do think the point about Freeman helping is valid and one we speculated about B4 the season started. He didn’t manage to help Uggla all that much though, he is ranked about as low as always
November 28th, 20112:51 pm
I keep reading the story about Lowe getting traded and pretending it’s new news, just to keep the offseason interesting for myself… been pretty boring the last couple of weeks.
My guess is that Wren is working on something relatively big… it’s been too quiet around Braves country.
November 28th, 20112:53 pm
For all of the throngs, here, that have been lusting for the Braves to sign, Wily Mo Pena, well… FORGET IT!!!!
He’s signing with Japan. I would tell all of you curious denizens the name of the team, but it’s banned on this blog (no kiddin’).
I think they are planning on using the current weakness of Astros country to try and annex Louisana.
November 28th, 20112:57 pm
but you have to admit, if anyone did, it would be scoots….DAP
of course it would, scoots has an extremely high percentage of being correct…….except of course when he disagrees with the Nolester, which he is smart enuff not to do very often
November 28th, 20113:00 pm
nolie much of the reason for Gonzo’s up and down over the years have been injuries, notice his at bats. He has always been regarded in baseball as a well above average SS when healthy
eh…i dont ever want to doubt your evaluation of a player, but thats just not what im seeing. he has had healthier seasons (more games played) than last year and performed worse in the field. his up and down years dont really seem to correspond to the years where he has missed alot of time.
and even if he has been viewed as above average his entire career, he hasnt been as good as he was in 2011.
i dont want it to seem like im bashing our guy because hes gone, just saying that he had a career year with the glove (like some guys have with the bat) that he might not repeat, or that might not be all attributable to him. we may see our next SS have a career year also.
November 28th, 20113:01 pm
I do think the Braves front office does need to make a decent splash this off-season to console fans from the epic collapse. Right or wrong, I don’t think fans think this team can win as assembled. Unless they add a significant piece or two.
November 28th, 20113:03 pm
Unsportsmanlike conduct. Fifteen yard penalty and loss of down.
November 28th, 20113:08 pm
he has had healthier seasons (more games played) than last year and performed worse in the field
he has always been considered a very good SS -and not just by my evaluation – though I agree that the last two seasons have been among his best
November 28th, 20113:09 pm
I’ll be honest about it. I’m not objective about this at all. I want Pastornicky to win the short-stop position out of spring training and have a stellar rookie season. I think his youth, speed, leadership, and dedication to the game can be huge boost to the team. Before he was injured last season, I was hoping for his promotion to Atlanta. I thought he could have added a badly needed spark.
Here’s my question. Is there any reason to hope that Brandon Hicks could be a serviceable infield utility player for our team to backup 3rd, 2nd, and ss? I just don’t see anyone out there that fits this job description, and the contracts some of these type players are getting are really high. I think it will be seen as overpaying for what a team actually gets. Is it reasonable to think that Hicks could do as well, or is this a pipe dream?
so all we can do right now is say what we expect to happen based on the information presently available.
Yes, of course. I did not mean to imply otherwise.
And, as of today, neither the Nats nor the Marlins have done anything to improve their respective clubs. Yet, some posters here quake at the thought that each will, and to a degree that makes each an instant contender, while making the assumption that the Braves will do nothing.
I’m going with “lock”.
Also, I’m glad to notice that DAP has seen the light, LOL. Thanks, DAP, I appreciate the vote of confidence.
November 28th, 20113:12 pm
Unsportsmanlike conduct. Fifteen yard penalty and loss of down.
Third-person speech. Disqualified. Remains first down.
November 28th, 20113:13 pm
Hello everyone! You are not going to believe this. I was looking on ESPN,and they were talking about all the teams needs,and Eithier name was brought up on a trade for a Braves’ young pitcher.It was mentinoned that Eithier could fill The Braves needs,but it was just mentioned. What would you think? Eithier from the Dodgers anyone? It could be possible.It was just mentioned that’s all.
Coach (2011 Fredi G. FAILED)
November 28th, 20113:16 pm
First thing….the dude can pick it at SS, he’s also got an arm. Basically, if Hicks ever hits his weight he’s gonna stick as a utility player or maybe even start, but that’s a reach at this point.
Ward – Yes please… I’ve always been a fan of Ethier, only issue is he’s a lefty. But heck I don’t care. If he or Heyward can go play LF then I’d welcome him with open arms. He’d automatically become the biggest threat in our OF.
November 28th, 20113:17 pm
Eithier could not sign with Dodgers,because of Kemps new contract,and Wren, would have to check to into it.Who knows what Wren is doing ,as of now. Not getting my hopes up ,but interesting all the most.
November 28th, 20113:18 pm
Thanks for trying, Tom…
c’mon guys, nolie often uses the third person. nuttin’ wrong with that.
Basically, if Hicks ever hits his weight he’s gonna stick as a utility player or maybe even start, but that’s a reach at this point.
I dunno, I think to have a chance he’s either got to hit a decent bit higher than his weight, or start adding on the lbs.
November 28th, 20113:19 pm
MF – Pretty hard for this team to win “as assembled” without a SS. I assume we will have one before the end of ST. That said, I believe this team CAN (with a SS) win as assembled. Win a lot. Even go deep in post season, if some guys just return to norm. But then, I tend to be pretty optimistic. I also don’t believe Wren is through making moves on Nov 28.
I wonder if Wily Mo Pena is twice the weight of anybody in NPB…
November 28th, 20113:21 pm
Ethier sure fell off in homers last season. I wonder why?
he also needs to switch to left
Ethier makes me think of ether, which makes me sleepy, so I hope they don’t get him because this team already makes me sleepy enough as it is.
November 28th, 20113:22 pm
For all of the throngs, here, that have been lusting for the Braves to sign, Wily Mo Pena, well… FORGET IT!!!! He’s signing with Japan.
In honor of that, henceforth and forevermore, players mentioned on the blog whose very names make my eyeballs bulge and neck-veins pulse will be banished to…
“The Sushi List”.
Ryan Freel and David Eckstein, charter members. Carl Crawford, first-ballot shoo-in.
This was from a Braves site,and it was mentioned ,as a Braves need,and I would acccept it with out a doubt,and would welcome Eithier too. The thing is, we still don’t know what is up Wrens’ sleeve?
November 28th, 20113:23 pm
You’re welcome, VJ.
Would you say “hi”, to the LAdy, for me?
I noticed that my advice with her wardrobe’s colors, paid off for her team on Saturday night. You may tell her that she’s welcome… I have to leave.
Who here expected us to trade for Uggla or Bourn?…Nobody! Give Wren a chance to do his job. No telling what he is working on.
Hicks FINALLY did have an almost decent season last year in AAA. no reason to think it will continue or improve in the Show
November 28th, 20113:24 pm
Eithier is a streaky hitter,and that would be a concern,but not much of one!
November 28th, 20113:25 pm
Eithier, was just a interesting read. I could tell you that much.
Also add “whoever is the Royals #1 prospect at the time” to your Sushi list.
November 28th, 20113:26 pm
Ethier is a nice player, but make Fredo try to fit in another lefty bat in the lineup and his head might explode.
November 28th, 20113:27 pm
id love to have ethier, ive liked him for a long time. and weather we could trade for him or not, i hope he is high on the list of free agent targets next offseason.
I imagine it would take a pretty good haul of prospects to get Ethier. He made 9.5mil last season-already out of our price range most likely-and has what? one more season B4 becoming a FA?
While I agree that we don’t know what he’s currently working on, a LOT of people expected both of those trades to take place. I was even joking about the Dan Uggla to ATL possibilities during the 2010 season, when he and McCann were having a conversation at 2nd base while waiting on replay to confirm McCann’s walkoff homer.
November 28th, 20113:28 pm
Ward, I’m not real enthused about Ethier for the same reason I don’t like a lot of the other names bandied about for our outfield — he’s a left handed bat. Our primary bats — McCann, Freeman, Heyward, and Bourne – are all left handed. That’s why I don’t favor moving Prado unless we can add a big right handed bat for our outfield. Currently, we are too vulnerable to left handed pitching.
November 28th, 20113:30 pm
RC, The Sushi List is not for prospects, unfortunately. Only big leaguers mentioned here in trade/FA scenarios, with a frequency all out of proportion to actual talent. It’s a short list, but you can darn near feel the grit oozing out of it.
Though that might well be fish entrails, instead. Hard to say.
Ethier is a 30-year old, left-handed hitter who is going to be a free agent after next year and who’s HR totals have declined for 3 straight years (31 in 2009, 23 in 2010, 11 in 2011). I don’t see how he’s an improvement over what we currently have at all, and he’s going to be making upwards of $9 million next year.
November 28th, 20113:31 pm
I would consider Uggly a primary bat and he is RHed. I would not consider Bourn a primary bat, nor do I expect him to be here past 2012
RC – Those guys were on a lot of wish lists…but few…no, very few…really expected Wren to make those moves.
Carlos Beltran – do it.
My bad. Just replace my suggestion with Jeff Keppinger then.
November 28th, 20113:32 pm
Went to Fox MSN Sports,and just things being talked about from last Tuesday,and nothing new.
andre ethier can hit. hits for average, gets on base, hits for power. people worried about which side of the plate he stands on just arent thinking clearly.
its idiotic to look at a player like either and say…”ah well…he hits lefthanded…nevermind.”
he can hit.
November 28th, 20113:33 pm
He’ll make a fair bit more than 9 RC, he made 9.5 this year and except for homers had a pretty decent season 120 OPS+
Just replace my suggestion with Jeff Keppinger then.
Excellent choice! You’ve gotten the hang of this very quickly. Not sure he’s quite Sushi-List-elite yet, but he’s got a chance.
November 28th, 20113:34 pm
hits for power…DAP
421 S% this season
November 28th, 20113:35 pm
11 HR in 2011.
November 28th, 20113:36 pm
November 28th, 20113:38 pm
The way I see. If wren could master a trade? The Braves can always get a Right Haned Bat SS.Eithier, would be nice,but it was just mentioned,as a Braves possible need.
November 28th, 20113:41 pm
nobody wants to post and get stuck on the bottom of a page???
November 28th, 20113:42 pm
Ethier hit .220 against lefties last year with an OPS of .563
Guess I’ll wear that hat, nolie
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