7:46 pm November 18, 2011, by David O'Brien
November 27th, 20119:39 pm
i never said that jack wilson was a better player than a-gon. i said i thought he was a bit better on defense, and that you’d lose power by going with him, but he’d be a good bridge, and wouldnt get you locked up in a multi-year deal. now can you explain this?: “i help you did yourself a little deeper.”
November 27th, 20119:41 pm
Jack Wilson??? OMG! not NO, but HELL NO to Wilson, and the No hit all field Gonzalez! both those guys can rot for all I care!
What ever Wren,calls we will have to live with it as Braves Fans? Only keep Prado, if you can’t get the LF you want?That’s what I would do.
November 27th, 20119:42 pm
Three words will make this the bestest holidays ever: Snuggie Jingle Bells.
Oh Jolly! I can see it now! Martin in LF, and the mad Hacker Jack Wilson at ss, what? goddam son do you want to finish behind the Mutts?
November 27th, 20119:44 pm
Jack Wilson,no on that.We can do better than him in SS,and no on Agon too.
November 27th, 20119:46 pm
if you go back to my original post, i said that if wren can do better, i hope he does.
See yah Jughead. You can come back in a week with another name AND look up the stats so you don’t get your but kicked with those idiotic post that show no knowledge and no experience.
I gladly take the Jack Wilson of six seasons ago, a diving seal at SS for the Pirates, with excellent range.
Right now, Jack Wilson is a limited shadow of his former self.
November 27th, 20119:47 pm
Joe, I think that whomever we get at short will be a poor hitter, I’m for grabbing the best D
AJ, yes I’d expect things to heat up a bit on the rumor mill this week heading into the Winter Meetings next week in Dallas. And yes, I anticipate the Braves are likely to make a move or two between now and the end of the meetings. Maybe just a minor tweak or two, but I think there’s a pretty good chance it’ll be something more substantial.
November 27th, 20119:49 pm
substantial would be nice …..
November 27th, 20119:50 pm
Thanks DOB – I was getting a little Down In The Blues on that,and thanks for the good news….
but what is substantial? A full time OFer who is better than what we have in Hey,Bourn and Marteeen?
November 27th, 20119:53 pm
nolie – It means it will get the job done.
November 27th, 20119:55 pm
largo–nothing looks more ridiculous than an idiot striking a condescending pose. especially when that person cant even type a legible sentence. your posts are as benighted as could be.
November 27th, 20119:56 pm
I can still see Prado goes for a platoony and decent prospect even though Lew says it is no improvement. No improvement if they get no super utility guy afterwards to replace Prado in that role. Somebody like Betemit. Plus if they think Diaz will bounce back I am even more certain they trade Prado for that.
November 27th, 20119:59 pm
I keep mentioning Betemit,and I got killed by mentioning DeRosa.
November 27th, 201110:01 pm
gets what job done ward? we need a SS, likely a one year less than 3mil, guy. Is that substantial? Not IMO it isn’t. a platoon OFer, is that substantial? I’d like to see more, but don’t see how they afford it.
November 27th, 201110:02 pm
Betemit would be ok, DeRo not so much IMO
November 27th, 201110:03 pm
Well, everyone! I’ll talk tomorrow,and be excellent to each other,and peace……..
November 27th, 201110:04 pm
I’m not trying to start something, I’m just trying to get an idea of what David means by “more substantial”
November 27th, 201110:06 pm
I’d take Gonzo back on a two year contract calling for $2M this year and $4M next. That might let them budget it this year.
I have to admit I was on the bandwagon to sign AGon for 2 years @ 2 – 3 M a year. Even if you don’t like his offense, 2 or 3 times a year he’s gonna hit a HR to win a game.
November 27th, 201110:08 pm
I have no real trouble with Gonzo coming back considering the alternatives available. They have till Dec 12 to offer him a contract IIRC, but it seems like he wants more than one year and they don’t.
November 27th, 201110:15 pm
I hope Alex comes back, but yeah nolie, it does seem it’s the years thing seperating the two sides. I’ve already said how I feel on that.
November 27th, 201110:21 pm
my thoughts, they will move prado to SS for this upcoming season. they will then sign a permanent left fielder through free agency or trade. this allows one more year for SS Pastornicky in the minors. prodo will move back to third the following year after chippers retirement. all holes filled with only one major move and a better offense to boot!
November 27th, 201110:23 pm
my thoughts, they will move prado to SS for this upcoming season..Mike
that will absolutely positively never happen. Prado has neither the range nor the arm to play short, so you need to come up with another approach
November 27th, 201110:27 pm
, they will move prado to SS for this upcoming season.
I’m officially back in the Pastornicky camp.
November 27th, 201110:33 pm
Braves will prolly go down the list, offering every available SS a 1 year deal (with OK) money, ala Jaimie Carroll. Every team that is willing to offer aging veteran SS a 2-year deal will scoop the Braves.
As long as there are more players than their are teams looking for a veteran, Braves will get their SS for 2012.
AGon going on the market assures that one of the Braves competitors will be taken off the list.
November 27th, 201110:38 pm
Nolie hope you doing well ,heard from Salty you were under the weather ..
I am not sure on the money we have to speng heard anywhere from $5 mil to $10 mil ..That wont buy much or be to substanial IMO..
November 27th, 201110:45 pm
Hi Wayne, how ya doin? Yeah I was in the hospital for 10 days or so, had three different problems at the same time. Doin’ some better now.
November 27th, 201110:46 pm
No games scheduled
Lead-off CF JOSE ‘George’ CONSTANZA [.289 BA] 2-4, 1 R, 1 2B , 1 RBI .
3B DIORY HERNANDEZ [.243 BA] 1-4, 1 RBI .
RHRP JAIRO ASENCIO [SV 8, 0.53 ERA] 1.0 IP, pristine, 1 BB, 0 SO, 3 BF, 2 GO/ 0 AO.
JAIRO is back on track after surrendering an earned run last outing. He’s having an absolute stellar fall session with 16 outings, 1 R/ER, 1 HR in 17.0 IP, 4 BB, 25 SO, and a .138 AvAg. Whew! Light’s out!
C WILKIN CASTILLO [.259 BA] 0-3, 1 BB, 1 CS by CASTILLO , 2 SB off CASTILLO .
PH MAURO ‘45′ GOMEZ [.122 BA] 0-1, 1 SO.
RHRP CRISTHIAN MARTINEZ [3.0, 4.66 ERA] 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R/ER, 1 BB, 1 SO, 6 BF, 2 GO/ 0 AO.
1B DONEL LINARES [.375 BA] 0-3.
No BRAVES played.
DH STEFAN GARTRELL [.000 BA] 0-2, 2 BB, 1 SO.
C JOSE YEPEZ [.182 BA] 0-3, 2 SO, 1 CS by YEPEZ, 1 SB off YEPEZ.
LHRP LUIS AVILAN [2.76 ERA] 0.2 IP, zeros, 1 BB, 1 SO, 3 BF…19 p/ 12 S, 0 GO/ 0 AO.
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.280 BA] 1-5, 1 2B , 1 RBI , 1 SO.
November 27th, 201110:47 pm
Nolie , glad you doing better , hanging in here ..
November 27th, 201110:50 pm
that’s good, us old f@rts gotta hang around long enuff to teach the young whippersnappers sumthang, them being so dumb and all…..
November 27th, 201110:52 pm
Yep … trouble is getting them to listen to us ole senile rascals..
November 27th, 201110:53 pm
Things are really quiet considering we need three pieces yet, LF who is agood RH stick, a SS, and a SS back-up at short unless they’re considering letting HERNANDEZ-HICKS fill in until PASTORNICKY is ready…..if he’s ever ready. Dang, the dude isn’t the ‘energizer’ bunny now is he? Heh! He’s ‘eveready’ Yeah-h-h…….well……….
November 27th, 201110:55 pm
Yeah, I don’t want to be the one left here at three score and counting.
November 27th, 201110:57 pm
O.K. then, NYTOL.
November 27th, 201110:59 pm
when ya hit the 3 score ya start subtracting each year not adding ,some say it makes ya feel younger mentally ,but the physical part is the hard one to fool ..
November 27th, 201111:01 pm
I could be wrong, but I think not offering Gonzalez arbitration means that wren has another SS in his sights, and doesn’t want to have to wait to find out if Gonzalez accepts before pulling the trigger on this other deal.
November 27th, 201111:04 pm
Dap , very possible . I only see us needing an SS . I think Prado is good enough for LF ,was an off year for him in 2011… Hicks had good year at Gwinette playng SS
November 28th, 201112:19 am
“And really Prado and HGH should never be utilized in the same sentence.”
Here. Let me try and use Prado and HGH in a sentence before we declare such a bold statement. Here goes….
“Perhaps Martin Prado should consider using HGH? It certainly couldn’t hurt his ability to stay on the field and might even boost production? Perhaps also emliminating the need for Wren to find a new LF with more pop.”
I don’t know about you. But I think I nailed that!
November 28th, 201112:22 am
“my thoughts, they will move prado to SS for this upcoming season.”
The defense would probably actually be better off if they moved Chipper back to his orginal postion and stuck Prado at 3B.
I’m afraid that Chipper at age 58 (or whatever he is now) has more range at SS than Prado would. Which pretty much sums that up, huh?
November 28th, 201112:50 am
As stealthy as FW is in his negotiations, we really dont have a clue if Gonzo is an option at SS next year or not.
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. What choice do we have anyway?
November 28th, 201112:55 am
Wayne, don’t they have to wait until after May 1st to sign him now that they didn’t offer him arbitration? I could be wrong if anybody wants to clarify that rule for me.
November 28th, 201112:59 am
Chili Davis, A’s new hitting coach I see.
Now that’s a hitting coach. I doubt it’s going to make much difference in Oakland but that’s a guy you need to get if you’re Frank Wren.
Somebody who’s actually done something in the game of baseball other than played in the minor leagues and coached one of the most underperforming line-ups in baseball in 2011. A clutch switch-hitter throughout his career and one who can burn in hell for robbing us of multiple World Championships.
But who does Frank Wren get? Some guy named Greg or Gary or Walker or Steve.
November 28th, 20111:04 am
Do you guys really sit here and debate what’s going to happen this off-season… as if it matters?
This team blows. Frank Wren is a tool.
Late September 2012 Headline: Braves Fall Short of the Wild Card after a Gut Wrenching Extra Inning Loss at Home to the Nationals.
November 28th, 20111:05 am
I think they did away with the May 1st rule. Not sure though. And not inclined to search for it tonight.
I was in the Bay Area when Chili Davis came up with the Giants. Heckuva guy. Don’t have a clue if he is a teacher though. More to being a hitting coach than hitting in the majors, or else we’d have a plethora of choices.
November 28th, 20111:08 am
Most of us don’t get into the specifics here, just generalities. Some folks come on and make trade proposals, but that is just like whizzing into the wind.
Kinda like your rant against the Braves…………… just whizzing into the wind.
You end up just being smelly to everybody who reads your rant.
November 28th, 20111:12 am
My team prediction
Bourn – CF
Heyward – RF
Jones – 3B
McCann – C
Uggla – 2B
Freeman – 1B
Smith/Diaz – LF
Pastornicky – SS
Ross – C
Hinske – OF/1B
Smith/Diaz – OF
Sutton – IF/OF
Constanza/Durango – OF
Hudson – RHP
Hanson – RHP
Beachy – RHP
Minor – LHP
Delgado – RHP
Asencio – LRP
Vavaro – MRP
Martinez – MRP
Medlen – LOOGY
O’Flaherty – SUP
Venters – SUP
Kimberly – CP
NO MORE WREN
November 28th, 20111:36 am
Can we get rid of Wren and really strengthen the Braves?
November 28th, 20112:47 am
but I think not offering Gonzalez arbitration means that wren has another SS in his sights, and doesn’t want to have to wait to find out if Gonzalez accepts before pulling the trigger on this other deal…DAP
not sure how that makes sense since he might have agreed by now. I think he doesn’t wanna pay what he thinks Gonzo might get in arb. Last time he offered ark he got bit in the butt, as they also did b4 with Maddux. I doubt they will offer arb much anymore until they free up funds, if then
November 28th, 20112:49 am
Wayne, don’t they have to wait until after May 1st to sign him now that they didn’t offer him arbitration?…N8
I think they have until Dec 12 to offer a contract. if not then they are blocked for months
November 28th, 20112:54 am
Somebody who’s actually done something in the game of baseball other than played in the minor leagues and coached one of the most underperforming line-ups in baseball in 2011…Mitchell
sigh. more stoopid, baseball ignorant talk. The two greatest hitting coaches on the last 50 years or so were Charlie Lau and Rudy Jaramillo, neither one of whom hit a lick
November 28th, 20115:24 am
Thanks nolie. I think you’re right.
November 28th, 20117:45 am
I’ll take a lights out closer over a back of the rotation pitcher every day. might even take a lights out set up man over a mediocre starter
I sure hope Minor and Delgado are better than back end guys. I think they can both be solid mid rotation types. As to the value of a shut down closer or reliever over starters, it’s a tough call for me. Case by case basis sort of thing, imo.
November 28th, 20117:51 am
Phillies have lost their Astros Whipping Boy now that Ed Wade has been fired. How are they going to get good players now?
November 28th, 20117:59 am
What are you going to do with my Boy Chipper and Third Base.
November 28th, 20118:17 am
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
The slate is clean for the next Houston general manager: The only Astros player signed for 2013 and beyond is Wandy Rodriguez.
Slate is pretty clean for Frank Wren too. Dan Uggla is the only player guaranteed a contract for 2013 and beyond.
November 28th, 20119:05 am
Slate is pretty clean for Frank Wren too.
Ah but Efrim, the Astros’ slate is pristine in cleanliness. There isn’t anything in the minors or majors for that team. And they are heading into a new league that year. In effort to make the AL West “tougher” Bud moved the most useless team in the business.
November 28th, 20119:06 am
How are they going to get good players now?
There aren’t any more good Astros players. Wade served his purpose.
November 28th, 20119:16 am
nolie but I think not offering Gonzalez arbitration means that wren has another SS in his sights, and doesn’t want to have to wait to find out if Gonzalez accepts before pulling the trigger on this other deal…DAP
not sure how that makes sense since he might have agreed by now
be cause he doesnt have to give an answer until december 7th. if wren has a deal he has his eye on, he doesnt want to be hamstrung, waiting until the 7th to make sure he isnt going to have 2 SS on his roster. sure, gonzalez might have answered by now…but he doesnt have to, so why expect him to? no, i thinkif wren didnt have someone else in mind, he wouldnt have had a problem paying gonzalez’s arbitration salary of around $4mil.
November 28th, 20119:42 am
Jay (with all the Numbers after his name) – That roster is something else. Seems you traded Prado for an infield bench player. Dude, it’s Kimbrel, not Kimberly and Medlen ain’t a Loogy. Sheesh.
November 28th, 20119:43 am
And it isn’t very clear who you traded Jurrjens for. Apparently no one who helps.
November 28th, 20119:58 am
A few thoughts after reviewing this page –
Jed – Jack Wilson is better than AGon on defense? Really? REALLY????
Mitchell – How’s that pitty party working for you? Why do you even follow the Braves if you feel that way? What a Maroon.
NO MORE WREN – Wren has not done a good job as GM. HE’S DONE A GREAT JOB AS GM. Tell me, without hindsight, what you would have done differently, in light of the budget restrains. Another Maroon.
Mike – Prado at SS? Really? NOT!
nolie – I dopn’t always agree with you, but you continue to show your depth of baseball knowledge, as in your @2:45.
November 28th, 201110:09 am
Just my thoughts (not worth much) – I would like to see us aquire a LF for now and future, with good OBP and some pop…and at least servicable on D.
Bridge guy for SS. I expect some combo of Pastor, Turdo, and Simmons at 3B and SS by 2013.
I hope we can keep Prado as a super sub at several positions, and insurance at 3B. If not, we MUST find another Infante/Prado type.
Trade JJ if you must, but I would prefer to wait until trade deadline/offseason 2012/2013. Hopefully he will be healthy, and value increase. Also, I would like to see how Hanson is doing.
November 28th, 201110:15 am
The Phillies called Wagner hoping to coax him out of retirement…
I don’t have anything else to say about that.
November 28th, 201110:18 am
Any news on JACK WILSON? Could we actually be headed for a ‘Jumpin’ JACK the flash’ moment or rather, season?
I understand A-GON’s desire for a mult-year deal. His career is near it’s end. But thank you Mr. WREN for just saying ‘no’ to another career-ending retirement deal. We don’t need them.
And a comment on the new CBA regarding the hard-cap draft going into effect. My grandson will in all liklihood play for VIRGINIA and get a degree before entering the draft. The money for a degree plus the contacts he would make would offset a hard-slot offer IMO. I suspect there will be far fewer youngsters taking the pro’s money going forward with a hard-slot in place. And I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the lawyer-agents aren’t looking at some way to litigate against that portion of the new agreement. There’s a lot of commissions at stake and player monies on the line here.
How about international players? Are they to be hard-slotted too? Or does this just effect U.S. residents. Might precipitate some foreign residency moves if it doesn’t.
November 28th, 201110:24 am
just read all 44 pages, not much going on the past week on the old blog…yawn, crickets chirping
November 28th, 201110:25 am
rich – Good luck to your grandson, in baseball or not. The degree from UVA has great value, and he can still go pro afterward.
Doubt there’s a case against the CBA in light of the anti-trust exemption (which I believe only MLB enjoys among the sports. That’s why, for example, NFL and NBA owners can pretty much move their teams when and where they wish).
Coach (2011 Fredi G. FAILED)
November 28th, 201110:27 am
The Braves current depth chart at SS:
1.Tyler Pastornicky age 21 RH / 5-11 170
2.Brandon Hicks age 25 RH / 6-2 200
3. Diory Hernandez age 27 RH / 6-0 185
4. Josh Wilson age 30 RH / 6-0 175
5. Drew Sutton age 28 BB / 6-3 200
6. Matt Lipka age 19 RH / 6-1 195
7. Andrelton Simmons age 21 RH / 6-2 170
In case anyone is wondering why Lipka and Simmons aren’t higher it’s because neither is likely to see big league action in 2012.
November 28th, 201110:29 am
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November 28th, 201110:31 am
I know about the ant-trust exception for MLB. It takes an act of Congress there, but they must be brain-storming collectively as we type. Were the agents and representatives allowed to participate in the new CBA negotiations? And I’m still wondering if my grandson should move in with my wife’s first cousin, and next door to ‘Big Papi’ in Dominica. Heh!
November 28th, 201110:34 am
Someone asked me about possibility of Jurrjens-for-Yonder Alonso (from the Reds). I think that’s unlikely, since Reds will demand far more than just a Jurrjens alone for Alonso, a slugging young 1B who has also played LF. They want a front-line starter or closer for him, reportedly, but I think they’d also demand a piece or two in addition to that pitcher. And the front-line starter would preferably be one without health questions, I’m sure.
Talked to someone who also said he doesn’t think they’ll trade Alonso, that they’ll keep him because they know they’ll probably need a replacement for Votta a year from now when they might have to trade him because of $ (Votto’s owed $17 mill salary in ‘13, then is eligible for free agency after that).
November 28th, 201110:35 am
And hope Edward Salcedo makes some progress and comes along to puts some pressure on your trio.
November 28th, 201110:38 am
David O’Brien, I’m surprised the White Sox haven’t came up in any rumors with our Braves as of yet. But then again they have what we want and vice versa, while Frank Wren tends to keep a tight lip.
November 28th, 201110:40 am
beekay not much going on the past week on the old blog…yawn, crickets chirping
that is, until you showed up with that 10:24 gem. gettin’ the party started….
November 28th, 201110:47 am
largo@10:35 – True, that.
November 28th, 201111:09 am
Coach– Lipka has moved to CF so you can take him off the Braves SS depth chart
November 28th, 201111:15 am
I like the look of our club with the exception of SS. Throwing a prospect into the mix at the start of the season rarely works for any team. Think the Cubs would consider JJ and Diory for Starlin Castro? I like the thought of Bourn and Castro 1, 2 in our lineup.
November 28th, 201111:17 am
All seats are installed in new Marlins ballpark
November 28th, 201111:19 am
The Cubs have said – in so many words – that Castro is remaining a Cub.
November 28th, 201111:23 am
And even IF the Cubs would consider trading him – in almost 300 MLB games, the kid has hit over .300, .340, with a .766 OPS and over 30 2B two consecutive years and makes the MLB minimum.
An injured pitcher and a minor league scrub surely won’t get the job done. I’d be willing to bet that they want Teheran, Delgado, Bethancourt, AND Jurrjens in return.
November 28th, 201111:31 am
Wow. Guess the Homer in me hoping the price wouldn’t be that high. Still not big on the idea of Pastornicky starting the season at SS, and don’t see too many affordable SS FA’s you would want to waste the money on.
November 28th, 201111:32 am
yea, castro wont be going anywhere for a long time
November 28th, 201111:33 am
13 Stitches – Yeah, got to agree on the availability of good shortstops – not much apparently out there.
Bet ots of clubs would love to have Castro, though. The Cubs are going to rebuild over the next couple of years and feel that he’s an integral part of the rebuilding effort.
November 28th, 201111:34 am
i would try to acquire a veteran ss, that could start or backup pastornicky. give the kid a chance
November 28th, 201111:36 am
Starlin Castro is 21 and five years away from free agency…..any questions?
November 28th, 201111:38 am
We better come up with a real trade or signing soon, you guys are really digging.
November 28th, 201111:39 am
I hope Mark Buehrle leaves Chicago, for purely selfish reasons
November 28th, 201111:41 am
Are questions limited to just those that relate to Starlin Castro or can they be about anything? I’ve got a lot of leftover turkey and was hoping you might suggest some recipes.
November 28th, 201111:42 am
Don’t get me wrong, I think Pastornicky can and will be a great SS. I’d just hate to see him thrown into the mix too early and struggle at the plate like Frenchy, or worse end up as a head case like Davies. Our pitching staff is relatively young, so I’d think the SS position defensively would be vital. I wouldn’t want that kind of pressure to start the season.
November 28th, 201111:43 am
Apparently the Phillies checked to see if Wags might be ready to come out of retirement:
November 28th, 201111:47 am
Apparently Madsen was the Mitt Romney of the Phillies – they wanted anyone except him closing this year.
Murph, November 28th, 2011, 10:15 am … “The Phillies called Wagner hoping to coax him out of retirement… ”
If he does, I think the Braves get a draft pick as compensation. That’s what the retirement papers hold-up was all about.
November 28th, 201111:48 am
Makes you wonder if the Phillies reach out to Wagner is a testimate to his closing ability, or to Papelbons Volitility.
David O’Brien, November 28th, 2011, 11:17 am … “All seats are installed in new Marlins ballpark”
They really only needed to install about 8,000 to accommodate the “crowds.” That shouldn’t have taken all that long.
November 28th, 201111:50 am
abwright – Are you like me, thinking that the new stadium won’t give the Marlins all that big an attendance boost?
November 28th, 201111:53 am
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