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jeffrey d
November 20th, 2011
6:28 pm
She is pretty hot though.
Reba?
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
6:29 pm
TnBrian-
I assume you are joking….right?
Billy Walsh
November 20th, 2011
6:30 pm
No way the yanks move montero. They are extremely high on him and he hit very well when he was called up. He along with the killer b’s are untouchable. I wouldn’t touch swisher. His numbers are a product of yankee stadium.
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
6:34 pm
Billy Walsh
Go look it up. Swisher hits well away from Yankee Stadium.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
6:34 pm
Don’t worry about Swisher, he will not be part of a Jurrjens deal, most likely see a reliever dealt for Nunez, JJ is worth more……see Carlos Quentin and a prospect.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
6:36 pm
CF Bourne
SS Nunez
3B Jones
LF Quentin
C McCann
2b Uggla
1b Freeman
RF Heyward
more likely what you will see.
garynpohio
November 20th, 2011
6:37 pm
my wife and kids dvr reba and watch it daily, so seing Joann Garcia is the only thing that makes it tolerable, but yes not something i look forward to
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
6:38 pm
Billy, really on Montero? the Yanks have 4 caatchers in their system, 3 of whom are better than Montero, personally I am dealing JJ to the Angels for Trumbo/Aybar but I doubt LAA, wants JJ
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
6:39 pm
I would deal for Montero and put him in LF
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
6:40 pm
JoeBrave
I think LAA will wait and see what happens w/ CJ Wilson before they pursue JJ. I think we match up best with the Angels than anybody. Not expecting anything until Winter meetings. I’ll take Trumbo/Bourjos/Izturis/Aybar. All very appealing.
garynpohio
November 20th, 2011
6:43 pm
i would like to see Quentin in LF
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
6:46 pm
As well as the fact, that Wren and co. are hot on Nunez, should probably speak volumes about Pastornicky now. 2B
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
6:47 pm
Montero would look bad in LF.
Billy Walsh
November 20th, 2011
6:47 pm
Joe Brave,
Who is better than montero? Gary Sanchez? Romine? Maybe defensively but not
Offensively. Have you seen him play? The dude has incredible bat speed and is only 21. They will
Probably DH him. The only time you heard him in trade
Talks was for King Felix.
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
6:50 pm
Billy Walsh
He was mentioned in the Cliff Lee trade to and the Yanks said NO. No way they move him for JJ.
Billy Walsh
November 20th, 2011
6:55 pm
P’ cola,
I totally agree with you. Montero was the highest rated
prospect in their system last year. Cashman has also been reluctant to trade away his best prospects and has made it a priority to rebuild their farm system. To say that montero is the third or fourth best catching prospect in their system is ridiculous
brian
November 20th, 2011
6:56 pm
Nunez and Swisher for Jurrjens and a 2nd tier prospect sounds about right. It would address the LF and SS position for this year. With Nunez we get a possible 3B or LF of the future once either Pastornicky or Simmons is ready to take over at SS
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
6:57 pm
As well Swisher should be in the Montero category, ain’t happenin folks, Nunez yes but Swisher…NO!
Maybe Nunez, Mason Williams, Brandon Laird. for JJ otherwise 1for 1 Nunez for a reliever.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
7:00 pm
As well as the fact, that Wren and co. are hot on Nunez, should probably speak volumes about Pastornicky now. 2B
I don’t think that’s how they see it. Nunez could be a valuable utility piece going forward that plays all over the field like Infante was used and how Prado is used, except that Nunez can play SS. I think they still feel very strongly about Pastornicky and Simmons as important parts of our middle infield.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:02 pm
not likely Efrim, Pastornicky is nothing more than over-hyped trade fodder.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:04 pm
Not gonna argue about stinky, go put eyes on him and then we can chat, I have see the kid play, not impressed.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:08 pm
Brian Van Goober and his soft defensive schemes make me IRATE!
CB
November 20th, 2011
7:12 pm
Ty Wiggington traded to Phils.
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
7:13 pm
Well with the Phils getting Wigginton I seriously doubt they sign Cuddyer.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
7:14 pm
not likely Efrim, Pastornicky is nothing more than over-hyped trade fodder.
Ridiculous. He’s put up solid stats and been very young for every level he’s played. Certainly played well enough to warrant a look at SS and many think he could be a solid regular at SS.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:16 pm
Like I said Ef, go put some ryrs on him then get back to me, til then TRADE FODDER just like Schafer, Lillibridge, Gorkys and others, over-hyped.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
7:16 pm
cab, Aldon Smith with a sack. 7.5 sacks on the season.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:17 pm
oops! eyes
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
7:18 pm
Okay, Joe. I like Mason Williams though and would certainly target him in a Yankee deal. Like him more than Slade Heathcott, actually.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:18 pm
Certainly played well enough to warrant a look at SS and many think he could be a solid regular at SS
Who, many bloggers that have never seen him play the position? not many scouts feel that way!
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
7:18 pm
This was from this summer on a scouting website:
A scout I spoke with about Pastornicky called him a utility guy, but I see the potential for a second division starting shortstop. At 21, his .300/.345/.418 triple slash line including 20 steals has been a bright spot in a system relatively void of position prospects.
Trey
November 20th, 2011
7:19 pm
Efrim, there have been plenty of players put up good stats in the minor leagues who came up to the big leagues not living up to expectations.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:19 pm
Mason Williams /Nunez and ???? Laird maybe yes I would!
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
7:21 pm
This was from FanGraphs after the Yunel/A Gon trade:
The least visible part of this trade is Tyler Pastornicky — he has neither a Major League record nor a freakish pedigree. But I doubt the Braves make this trade without him; we know how good that scouting department operates, and they wouldn’t be the first to fancy Pastornicky as a sleeper. A fifth round pick out of a Florida high school in 2008 (drafted one pick before the Braves), Pastornicky has great bat control, sporting a career strikeout rate of just 13.8%. However, his average is just .264 and his ISO just .089 for his career, so he clearly has a ways to go in developing strength and power.
At just 20 years old in the Florida State League, a .258/.348/.376 batting line is more than defensible. He’s upped his walk rate this season (11.8 BB%) and he’s still been a nuisance on the basepaths, following last year’s 57-steal season with a 24-for-31 mark this year. Pastornicky is problem a second baseman down the road, but he’s improved enough at shortstop to maintain some believers about his future there.
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
7:22 pm
If Niners beat Baltimore and Seattle loses, Niners will clinch the NFC West next week
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
7:22 pm
Re: Wiggington, that could mean Rollins is coming back – but also likely means the Phils are worried about Placido Polanco.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:24 pm
Andrelton Simmons now there is a prospect! A much better one.
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
7:24 pm
The son of scout Cliff Pastornicky, Tyler is (like many kids from baseball families) fundamentally sound and a “baseball rat” type who hustles, is adept at “little ball” (he’s a great bunter), and plays above his tools. His best tool is above average speed. He doesn’t have a huge amount of power, though he should be good for some doubles and triples. He makes contact and his strikeout rate is low, which is often a marker for players who can exceed expectations. He’s generally projected as a solid utility infielder, but is young enough at 21 to have a chance to be a regular if his bat continues to develop.
Pastornicky draws good reviews from scouts for his defense, including his range. Interestingly, his range factors at shortstop are consistently below average the last two years. That’s not a perfect stat by any means, but even in the minors range factor usually coincides with what the scouting reports say, and in this case it doesn’t. I don’t know what to think about that, other than it bears watching.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:24 pm
Damn I hate the Phils got Wiggy.
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
7:25 pm
Efrim
Also gives them another option at 1B besides Thome until Howard comes back.
TeheranTime
November 20th, 2011
7:25 pm
I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in any of these rumors. Dan Uggla really wasn’t rumored last winter.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
7:26 pm
there have been plenty of players put up good stats in the minor leagues who came up to the big leagues not living up to expectations.
Yeah, it happens. Doesn’t mean every minor leaguer stinks.
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
7:26 pm
From what I read its hard to argue that Pastornicky is going to stick at SS. Could be the next Prado for us though and has plus speed.
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
7:28 pm
There are also guys that were just average in the minors that became stars in the majors
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:29 pm
Didn’t say Pastornicky stinks, kid can bash AAAA pitchers, and run like hell, but until he learns to trust his arm, he will never be a quality SS, 2B yes but SS no. He pushes his throws with his shoulder…. that is a very hard habit to break!
CB
November 20th, 2011
7:32 pm
JoeBrave, I like that you have passion on your opinion about Pastornicky but don’t you think we should trust the opinion of the Braves people who make these decisions? I know you are a fan and that makes you an expert
but give it a break,buddy.
braveslifer
November 20th, 2011
7:33 pm
JoeBrave how are you getting on Efrim and saying that Pastornicky is not a good prospect? Just 5 short days ago Talking Chop rated Tyler Pastornicky ahead of Andrelton Simmons. Furthermore baseball america rated Tyler Pastornicky as the 7th best prospect in our system.
Source:
http://www.talkingchop.com/2011/11/15/2562027/atlanta-braves-2012-top-five-middle-infield-prospects
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:33 pm
been burned too many times by the Braves hype machine, Schafer, Francouer,Lillibridge, etc, right now Heyward needs to live up to the hype, no room for two at the inn! just gimme a solid SS, and Beltran/Swisher/Quentin/even Willingham,
Nunez would be solid at ss, as would Aybar.Izturis, Robert Andino.
Pastornicky looks more like a 2011 Gordon Beckham!
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
7:36 pm
JoeBrave
Its more than just the Braves hyping Pastornicky. A lot of people have said he brings a good stick. Questions have always surfaced around his SS defense and many think he will be a UT. Hopefully Simmons makes a big jump next year so he can take over at SS. Much better w/ the glove but Pastornicky does have a lot of tools. Just may not be the everyday SS for to long.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:37 pm
Talking Chop? yes Tyler may be #7 in the braves system, but how bout the #52 rated ss prospect, that’s where most scouts rate him, you guys really want a #100, and yes his rank was#100 prospect manning SS in 2012? gimme a break!
Talking Chop is the Braves hype machine…
I have posted before I like Pastornicky as a kid, he is beyond cool, very personable, easily accessible, and I said he would be a great 2B, but for SS nope not for me!
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
7:37 pm
P’Cola, good point. I think they re-sign Rollins and play John Mayberry Jr. in LF. Perhaps they get a platoon partner since apparently they have no confidence in Dom Brown.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:39 pm
CB, you do realize the person who formed the opinion of Pastornicky now works for the Washington Nationals, and is the same lazy scrum that tried to draft every metro Atlanta pony league all-star, and so far has struck out on every one of them but McCann?
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
7:40 pm
JoeBrave, love the passion, but how about we say he’s at least a very goof utility player and solid-average regular at SS?
Is that okay to say at this point? Or no. He needs to stink for you.
keyLargo
November 20th, 2011
7:40 pm
At 21, his .300/.345/.418 triple slash line including 20 steals has been a bright spot
That’s a little deceptive on Pastornicky. His slash line in 2010 was ..257 .343 .373 .716 and his career line (4 years) is .278 .345 .374 .719 .
Also his Fielding Percentage last year was .942 which would have ranked 102 out of 117 MLB shortstops last season.
C
braveslifer
November 20th, 2011
7:41 pm
“but how bout the #52 rated ss prospect”
Don’t believe it. Source please.
michael
November 20th, 2011
7:42 pm
I think Wren should take a deep breath at thi point. Good move to trade Lowe. On looking to not sign Gonzalez is very questionable in my mind. Gonzalez is a championship caliber shortstop defensively. he brings consistency and sometimes spectacular play to the middle of the infield.Looking for offense from a shortstop is strategic miscalculation with this team.
Over the course of a season Gonzalez will save the team many 4 out innings. With the Braves depending on the pitching staff, shortstop defense is a priority. All the young pitchers will need a reliable shortstop. He and Uggla have a good rapport on double plays.The Braves did not fail to get in the playoffs because of the hitting of Gonzalez. The Braves should not depend on the shortstop position for offense.
Why not give him a 2 year contact? We’re not talking mega money. the prospects don’t have to be rushed. If the prospects have Freddie Freeman type defensive skills, then it’s understandable to not sign Gonzalez.But I’ve seen nothing in the scouting reports on Tyler to indicate that level of defensive skill development. Andellton appears not ready till 2013. If Brian,Heyward and possibly Prado don’t hit, the shortstop offense will not put the Braves over the top.
If the prospects are ready next year, Gonzalez can be traded. Even eating a part of his contact to trade him will be manageable. The Braves will have more payroll flexibility next year to eat any portion of Gonzalez’s final year.
The Braves won the World Series with Rafael Belliard.
CB
November 20th, 2011
7:42 pm
Joe,I am referring to the management staff (Wren and his elves) not someone who is gone. They think he is not ready they will get someone.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
7:43 pm
Niner D was on the field for 15:44 this game. Niners offense on the field for 44:16.
Very important considering they face the Ravens on Thursday in Baltimore.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:43 pm
Let me clarify myself, I do not hate Tyler Pastornicky, in fact I would love to see the kid force Dan Uggla out of Atlanta, unlike my feelings for Lillibridge, Francouer,Schafer,KK,Chuck James, JoJo Reyes, as people I liked em all except Francouer, as players for the Atlanta Braves, I loathed their existence!
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
7:44 pm
Efrim-
I’m a bit concerned they are down 2 fullbacks and possibly a safety for that game…that one should end up about 7-6. Wish I could watch it
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
7:46 pm
That’s a little deceptive on Pastornicky. His slash line in 2010 was ..257 .343 .373 .716 and his career line (4 years) is .278 .345 .374 .719 .
How old was he in 2010, keylargo? And what do you expect from the SS position?
Folks, .278/.345/.374 from your SS is good. It’s not 1999. It’s 2011 and offense is down everywhere.
Also, again – the kid was 21 in Double-A and Triple-A this year. That’s really young for the level.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
7:47 pm
cab, yeah. Goldson will probably get suspended.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:48 pm
braves lifer midseason mlb top 100 prospects Tyler Pastornicky…..nowhere to be found! source Baseball America! have a look for yourself!
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
7:48 pm
Efrim-
from what I have read, he shouldn’t. Apparently Doucet hit him in the head when he was laying on the ground…
Alex No Can Hit
November 20th, 2011
7:49 pm
I wouldn’t bring Alex Gonzalez back if he was free and zero salary.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
7:49 pm
cab, and at 9-1 and 4-0 on the East Coast – I would be pleasantly surprised if they won on Thursday night. Not saying they are doing this with smoke and mirrors, they are a legit contender. But they have to lose at some point in regulation, right?
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
7:49 pm
Efrim
Agreed. People fail to see this kid is playing above his age. Much like Freeman and Heyward did. I don’t know that hes our long term SS but every scout says he carries a good stick, doesn’t strike out much and will be very valuable as a UT. He has plus speed. Came out of HS with a 40 time of 4.15. That is moving people.
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
7:51 pm
Efrim-
Not necessarily
I would have no problem with them not losing again this season…
braveslifer
November 20th, 2011
7:51 pm
Joe Brave- If he is in a top 100 list of prospects how would he be the 52nd rated SS prospect?
keyLargo
November 20th, 2011
7:52 pm
Efrim – you really shouldn’t have to ask how old he was last year.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:53 pm
SEP
29th
2011
The Seedlings To Stars 2012 Top 100 Prospects, #100: Tyler Pastornicky
Why He’s This Low: Pastornicky’s selection to this top 100 list probably comes as a surprise to many; you won’t see him on many other lists of this sort. This is largely due to a lack of upside; while he’s just 21, there’s a large perception that Pastornicky is as good as he’s ever going to be. His body isn’t very projectable, so it’s unlikely he becomes a threat to hit more than ten homers in a season
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:54 pm
link to prior post!
http://seedlingstostars.com/2011/09/29/the-seedlings-to-stars-2012-top-100-prospects-100-tyler-pastornicky/,
Now I am off of Pastornicky, I like the kid, a lot.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:55 pm
bl, I don’t rate em , just gave you the info, as far as a prospect he is 100, as far as a SS he is #52
George
November 20th, 2011
7:55 pm
cab
If you are still here, WTG USC. What a great game they played,
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:56 pm
As I said I am done with Pastornicky, He is a good kid, I want him at 2b but not at SS! that is all.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
7:57 pm
you really shouldn’t have to ask how old he was last year.
Okay. I was being sarcastic in trying to prove my point. Again, SS’s don’t have .850 OPS’s any longer. Getting average league offense from a SS is really good.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
7:59 pm
YES Efrim, you are correct, but is 680 to 720 ops too much to expect?
braveslifer
November 20th, 2011
7:59 pm
Why did you cherry pick the Why He’s Low portion. There conclusion is that he has a very high floor and that few minor leaguers have better odds of becoming solid, productive MLB shortstops. Seems like it supports him being a pretty decent prospect.
Conclusions: Pastornicky has a very high floor but a rather low ceiling. However, when one considers the state of the shortstop position in today’s MLB, it’s not difficult to see a player who showed excellent contact skills, solid speed, and a hint of power in the upper minors at age 21 having a long and productive career relative to many of his peers at the position. He’s not a sexy pick for a list like this, and there’s plenty of justification for placing him well out of the top 100 prospects, but few minor leaguers have better odds of becoming solid, productive MLB shortstops. Granted, there are plenty of better shortstop prospects, who I’ll of course be discussing later in the list, but even a player like Manny Machado or Nick Franklin faces defensive concerns, and players like Billy Hamilton and Hak-Ju Lee have some things to prove on offense. Pastornicky is a very “safe” pick, perhaps overly so, but he certainly deserves notice for his excellent performance for his age, level, and position.
braveslifer
November 20th, 2011
8:01 pm
“bl, I don’t rate em , just gave you the info, as far as a prospect he is 100, as far as a SS he is #52″
This would mean that at least 52 SS would be rated as a prospect in the top 100. What about 1B, 2B, 3B, OFers, SPs, RPs, and C? Do they really only consist of the other 48?
keyLargo
November 20th, 2011
8:02 pm
Efrim – all I said was that although Pastornicky had a good offensive season last season, it was much better than his season in 2010 and his career numbers. Which part of that do you disagree with?
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
8:02 pm
Niners just need to focus and grab a bye in the playoffs. Very important with how good the NFC is this year.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
8:03 pm
Conclusions: Pastornicky has a very high floor but a rather low ceiling.
See the rather low ceiling portion, and the as good as he is ever going to be portion, They may coincide with each other!
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
8:04 pm
YES Efrim, you are correct, but is 680 to 720 ops too much to expect?
I think he can be in the 700+ OPS range. .280/.340/.360ish
keylarge, sorry must of misunderstood.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
8:06 pm
bl, If Pastornicky is your lollipop, by all means lick him, but myself I will await Simmons and time will tell who is right! have a great day with your fondness of the Pastor, as I said I like him, he is really a great kid, hope he does well and supplants Uggla, but for me he a 2B…. my guess is you never played the game, and only believe chop talk hype.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
8:07 pm
his positional ranking at SS in one ratings system is #52, overall in another is #100 go see for yourself, he is not in the top 25 ss prospects there that should be easy for you to narrow down.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
8:10 pm
Todd Cunningham anyone?Brandon Drury? Matt Lipka? damn the Braves do have other prospects to hype!
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
8:10 pm
George-
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
8:11 pm
Let’s just convert Bethancourt to SS, there ya go VOILA’….. now we have a masher with a killer arm, killer bat, and minimal range!
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2011
8:15 pm
CAB – I don’t mean this as a jab, but will USC be on probation next year?
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
8:17 pm
jeffrey-
No. They will have scholarship restrictions but will be bowl eligible- and given the number of freshmen & sophomores that are playing this season, they will head into next season in pretty good shape
braveslifer
November 20th, 2011
8:17 pm
“my guess is you never played the game, and only believe chop talk hype.”
Ridiculous statement. The good thing about prospects is that you can like multiple ones i.e. Simmons and Pats. The “chop talk hype” you mentioned even said in their write up that ” at worst, he’ll have a nice career as a backup infielder, though if he reaches his peak he could be a league average regular at shortstop with solid defense, or a slightly above average second baseman.” I love how you think they are a hype machine. Screams I have tin foil on my windows so the Government does not know what I am doing.
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
8:17 pm
That’s the main reason I am holding out hope that Barkley comes back…
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2011
8:21 pm
That’s the main reason I am holding out hope that Barkley comes back…
If he doesn’t go on tour with the Backstreet Boys
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
8:23 pm
bl, further from the truth, not even blinds on my windows there, just saying that Pastornicky may or may not be a player at the top, but from the proven track record of the Atlanta Braves, with the lone exceptions of Heyward, and Francouer, these type of hyped up players are 90 % of the time trade fodder, look it up, see Melvin Nieves, Tony Tarasco, James, Reyes, Chen, Schafer, Lillibridge, Gorkys Hernandez, Charlie Morton, Saltalamacchia, the list goes on and on, no snippets towars you my friend, just enough already with the Pastornicky for SS in 2012, Wren has openly stated the kid is not ready, and will not man the position in 2012, talk about beating a dead horse!
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
8:24 pm
I wonder what the Pads would eat for Bartlett’s salary. I like him more than Ronny Cedeno and trading for a utility type in Nunez with having to give up Jair Jurrjens. 5.5 million in 2012 with a 1.5 million dollar buyout in 2013. Guess it all depends on the level of prospect we’d be willing to send over.
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
8:24 pm
He is a man of many talents
VaBravesFan
November 20th, 2011
8:26 pm
Kieth Law says Pastornicky will be a above average regular. But does say he thinks 2B would be better for him.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
8:28 pm
Bartlett hit .224/.292/.281 in SD, 58 OPS+ – awful hitters park.
.265/.323/.330, 87OPS+ away from Petco and has a 92 OPS+ for his career. Also stole 23 out of 33 in 2011.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
8:28 pm
VABF…yes you are completely right, 2B and I may add he will be a damn good one!
VaBravesFan
November 20th, 2011
8:28 pm
Ty Wiggington is a good pick up by the Philles, a less athletic Prado/Polanco type.