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P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
4:41 pm
Does anyone else think we may match up w/ the Angels. Seems like we each could have some pieces that would help the other improve.
ccrider
November 20th, 2011
4:41 pm
Efrim, If Swisher by himself is all they could get for JJ, that would be a horrific trade for the Bravos.
It would make more sense to keep him and if he pitches anywhere near like he did before the All Star break(JJ was the one of the best(if not the best) in baseball before the All Star break and then he got injured. Swisher is an above average ballplayer, but the Braves giving up 2 years of JJ for 1 year of Swisher is a very bad trade!
nolie
November 20th, 2011
4:43 pm
not so sure I agree CCR
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
4:43 pm
I still think there are better matches than the Yankees. Obviously if they are willing to trade Swisher and Nunez for Jurrjens, but I really doubt they’d be willing to do that. And if it’s just a Nunez + prospects deal, then it’s not a great fit. Boston, Texas, Toronto, and Cincinnati are still better fits, imo.
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
4:45 pm
It wouldn’t be for just Swisher. Nunez would obviously be involved hence the only reason the trade was mentioned. I don’t know that 5 yrs of Nunez and 1 yr of Swisher for an injury proned JJ (2 yrs) is a bad trade. The longer we hold him the less value he will have as he nears FA. Especially if he gets hurt again then it would be impossible to get fair return.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
4:45 pm
I still do not see a deal for a big name player happening this winter
Lew
November 20th, 2011
4:47 pm
I’d take Swisher for JJ, but I’d sure as hell try to sign him to an extention.
Jurrjens can be replaced from withing the organization. Swisher adds a high OBP bat and .800+ OPS to our lineup – both of which we desperately need if we’re going to amp up the offense. Never hit less than 21 HR in a season (24 in Chi, which THawkin keeps pointing to as his sole sopurce of possible suckage) and averages about25 per season.
Asd for streakiness. I’m not so sure what trelevance that has (even f it were turew). Dude hits the same numbers (or damned close to it) year in and year out. If the streakiness refers to in season numbers, then WTF. Over the course of 162 games, every player will have ups and downs and very few are like the day-night season Uggla just had. For crying out loud – even a .333 hiter doesn’t go 1-3 with a walk every night – they have so ofers, too.
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
4:47 pm
Efrim
Do you think we match up well with the Angels. I think they have some nice young players and a possible SS in Izturis that could be of interest.
Lew
November 20th, 2011
4:48 pm
And yet again I prove how lousy a typist I am.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
4:48 pm
PCola, yes, LAA are another team that fits for us.
ccrider, I don’t think Swisher coming to the Braves for Jurrjens straight up would be a “very bad trade”. Swisher is a very productive player that would look great as our #2 hitter.
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
4:48 pm
Patrick Willis. That is all.
Ward
November 20th, 2011
4:48 pm
All have a good one, and Hope Wren,can pull some thing off again.Talk later tonight,and peace……
nolie
November 20th, 2011
4:49 pm
I’m pleased that DOB thinks Arodys will be in the pen this year
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
4:51 pm
P’Cola, yes. I think they have the prospects and major league players to make a deal work for Jurrjens.
Lew, why would it be necessary to sign Swisher to an extension? What’s wrong with having financial flexibility? Don’t be scared by Wren’s pitching acquisitions prior to 2009. Payroll flexibility for a mid market team is important, imo.
ccrider
November 20th, 2011
4:52 pm
P’cola Brave: If the Yankees didn’t want to trade Gardner along with Nunez for Bourn and JJ then you move to the next team. In terms of 2012 trade Value, the Yankees are getting the better deal. Two CFers that are near the same talent level and Nunez for JJ would be a steal. They would have the money to extend Bourn and that is the break for the Braves, not having to commit a large salary to Bourn this year and beyond is the biggest benefit, along with the salary savings to sign a free agent. They Yankees still have a great CFer, They still have Swisher and they have JJ
The Braves have salary flexability, plus two good players with low salary for a few years and team control for 4 and 5 years
Lew
November 20th, 2011
4:54 pm
Efrim – Yeah, flexibility is a good thing, but LF has been a chronic problem for years and Swisher would put an end to that trend. He isn’t ancient by any means and puts up similar numbers every year. With some payroll flexibility coming after Chipper leaves and the young pitchers not costing us much ofr years to come, why not sign him to an extra three year deal?
VaBravesFan
November 20th, 2011
4:54 pm
Jurrjens for Swisher/Nunez makes alot of sense. But I really hope the Braves would try hard to extend Swisher.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
4:54 pm
I’m pleased that DOB thinks Arodys will be in the pen this year
I’m not. Let it loose in Triple-A, then bring him tot he pen later in the season. Anthony Varvaro could be our #5 guy out of the pen for the first 3-4 months.
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
4:54 pm
CCrider
Why would the Yankees want Bourn when Gardner is nearly as good and 7 mill cheaper? Doesn’t make any sense on their part.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
4:57 pm
pen is getting more and more important. 5 or 6 very good pitchers there have much value. we have plenty of starters as it now stands without him
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
4:57 pm
If they are traded, I think Jurrjens or Prado will be traded for a part time corner outfielder and a couple of prospects. Just my opinion, based on our current salary structure.
ccrider
November 20th, 2011
4:57 pm
Efrim, I would rather have Beltran for 3 years at a little more than Swishers salary and Prospects for JJ than 1 year for Swisher and no prospects.
Lew
November 20th, 2011
4:57 pm
Agree with Efrim about Vizcaino – We have an extremely deeppen with minor league options available. I think he’d provide much more value oif stretched out to start. He can always come in in relief iin emergency even if he’s been starting.
Doug
November 20th, 2011
4:58 pm
I would just like to see Prado play regularly at his best position rather than being kicked from pillar to post (LF & 3rd). That, and his injury, really contributed to his poor output this year. I hated to see Infante go as well. I think he and Prado brought out the best in each other, even if Infante was no more than utility. I was hoping the Braves would find a way to get him back when the rosters were expanding at the end of last season.
VaBravesFan
November 20th, 2011
4:58 pm
Brian McCann just accepted my friend request on Facebook
nolie
November 20th, 2011
4:58 pm
I do not see most of our minor league options as being anything special at all
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
4:58 pm
5 or 6 very good pitchers there have much value
I’d be comfortable with Kimbrel, Venters, EOF, Medlen, Varvaro, Martinez and a TBD pitcher that emerges in spring training. Just kinda sad to see an arm like Viz moved to the pen. Kills his value overall, and I think he could be really good as a starter.
Lew
November 20th, 2011
4:59 pm
ccrider – I’m still notconvinced that Beltran stays healthy for three years, whereas Swisher plays 153 games or so a year – every year.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:00 pm
cab, Ahmad Brooks is a complete player. I mean, he needs to be signed to an extension asap.
VaBravesFan
November 20th, 2011
5:01 pm
I told him I hope he follow’s Chipper’s path and is a Brave for Life.. He respond saying “God willing I will be”
nolie
November 20th, 2011
5:02 pm
they have 7 or 8 guys who they now see as being ahead of Viz in starting.that is enough to cover injuries. If things went bad enough they could still stretch him out b4 they run out of backups. He has more value up in the bigs getting guys out than he does right now hanging around AAA as a #7 or so insurance policy
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:02 pm
Would anyone consider Jurrjens to the Rangers for David Murphy and a couple of Top-100 prospects?
Lew
November 20th, 2011
5:02 pm
nolie – Our pen is Medlen, Martinez, Varvaro (all three capable of pitching multiple innings), O’Flaherty, Venters and Kimbrel.
Asencio just logged some great numbers and could easily be utilized. And if I’m not mistaken, Efrim mentioned several others who could be effective (and really, we only need someone from the minors for mop up duty). Pick up a situational LHRP and we’re good to go and Vizcaino can start (or relieve later if necessary). Much easier to take someone stretched out and put them in the pen than vice versa.
ccrider
November 20th, 2011
5:03 pm
P’cola Brave: Because the Yankees can afford to resign him, and that would be the good part of the deal for both teams. Yankees Get a top CFer (that they CAN afford to resign) and a top starter for 2 years that they could also afford to resign. They give up a similar CFer and a SS that is a defensive question mark, but the Braves get the salary relief to sign a bat. WIN WIN!
But, as nolie said, it probably won’t happen
nolie
November 20th, 2011
5:04 pm
I have little faith in Martinez or Varvaro, certainly not nearly as much as I have in Viz
VaBravesFan
November 20th, 2011
5:04 pm
I rather have Swisher for 3 years over Beltran for 3. While Beltran could produce better numbers I see him missing time due to injuries. Swisher you know your gonna get 150+ games.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:04 pm
He has more value up in the bigs getting guys out than he does right now hanging around AAA as a #7 or so insurance policy
That’s fine, just don’t give up on em as a starter. Way too good of an arm to be a relief guy. Guys that throw 50-60 innings just aren’t as valuable, imo. And Viz won’t even be throwing many of them in high leverage situations with Meds, and O’Ventbrel around.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
5:05 pm
and if they put him in the pen they feel the same way. of course much will depend on how those three look at the end of ST
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:06 pm
have little faith in Martinez or Varvaro, certainly not nearly as much as I have in Viz
I like Varvaro a lot more than you’re giving him credit. I didn’t see great command in short stints from Viz either – still only 21 next year. Martinez is our long man…., he’s fine for that role, I think.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:07 pm
WOW. Two blocked field goals and a miss by Akers. 2 for 5. Still only 6-0 Niners. This is ridiculous.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
5:08 pm
And Viz won’t even be throwing many of them in high leverage situations with Meds, and O’Ventbrel around Efrim
hopefully he will, that’s the real advantage of having yet another great arm out there, to lessen the load on the big three. and I gotta admit that if O’F has another season as good as last year it will surprise me some
CajunStorm
November 20th, 2011
5:08 pm
Here’s what I don’t understand and CAN’T stand…..Pretty boy Tommy has the same dang agent (Scott Boras) as Jair, Bourn, & the departed Lowe. Why is it that when we speak of JJ and Bourn its always….”we gotta find their replacement bcuz they are Boras clients and won’t be here.” Hate to say it but the red of plenty of ya’ll necks is showing bright & clear! What other team is preparing to be without TWO of the top players at their positions that we own the rights to…….NOBODY!! Makes me sick to be a Braves fan sometime with ignorance like this. Bourn is a top 5 CF….PAY HIM!! JJ is worth every penny we gave D Lowe….PAY HIM!! Chippers money will be off the books as well as D Lowe’s and eventually Huddy’s…..Pay the players we got and the heck with the replacement talk! Dang!
ccrider
November 20th, 2011
5:08 pm
Lew, but when Beltran is healthy he is a much better and more complete hitter to me. I view Swisher as similar to Uggla: good not great
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
5:10 pm
Efrim-
I’d prefer to lock NaVarro Bowman up for a long time. And maybe send a search party out for David Akers. He seems to have been misplaced
nolie
November 20th, 2011
5:10 pm
what the hell does redneck have to do with it idiot? not even counting the fact that most here are NOT from the South to begin with.
Lew
November 20th, 2011
5:11 pm
nolie – Don’t know why you have no confidence in those two.
Martinez pitched 77 innings in 46 games and took much workload off of the Big Three. He had a 3.36 ERA, a WHIP of 0.96, 6.7 K9, and a 3-1 K to BB rate.
Varvaro chipped in with a 2.63 ERA, a WHIP of 1.08 and a 2-1 K to BB rate in 24IP{ over 18 appearances.
I’ll take that kind of performance from a reliever anytime.
VaBravesFan
November 20th, 2011
5:11 pm
ccrider
True but were talking about a 3 year deal, whole different story. If it was for 1 season I’d roll dice with Beltran.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:11 pm
hopefully he will, that’s the real advantage of having yet another great arm out there, to lessen the load on the big three.
I have concerns about our manager being able to deploy different arms in our bullpen effectively……
nolie
November 20th, 2011
5:12 pm
I hope you’re right Lew, but even so I’d rather have him in the pen than in AAA
Snotboogie
November 20th, 2011
5:12 pm
hopefully he will, that’s the real advantage of having yet another great arm out there, to lessen the load on the big three.
We’ll have to record that on to a tape/Cd/mp3 whatever and keep playing it secretly when Fredi sleeps – drill it into his subconscious.
Lew
November 20th, 2011
5:13 pm
ccrider – I’m sorry, but even with Beltran playing in 140 games last year, I can’t get past the 200 he missed the two previous years. Swisher stays healthy and I don’t care how good a player is, if he’s not in the lineup, he does you no good. I wouldn’t take the chanc on Beltran for three years.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
5:14 pm
personally I think if he has guys he trusts he will use them, I think the pen problem with most teams and most managers is that half the pen is so untrustworthy that nobody in their right mind wants to send them out to the mound during an actual game
nolie
November 20th, 2011
5:15 pm
I’d do Beltran for two and a club option, but prolly not for three
nolie
November 20th, 2011
5:16 pm
Beltran and Swisher are likely both moot anyway ;(
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:16 pm
The Niners should be up by way more than 6 points.
Lew
November 20th, 2011
5:18 pm
nolie – Compare Vizcaino’s numbrs last year to the other two – Viz put up (in 17 games) a 4.67 ERA, a 1.44 WHIP and a less than 2-1 K to BB rate. He walked way too many batters.
Kid was only 20 and showed signs of things to come, but there is nothing that would hurt him pitching for another year at AAA – hopefully adding to his IP a good bit.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:19 pm
I think the pen problem with most teams and most managers is that half the pen is so untrustworthy that nobody in their right mind wants to send them out to the mound during an actual game
Some middle relievers are usually failed starters – so in turn, they are worse pitchers is kinda the way I look at it. They don’t have as deep a repotoire or as good a command.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:20 pm
230 yards of offense for the Niners in the first half. Go for it on 4th, if I were them.
Lew
November 20th, 2011
5:20 pm
Surprised they haven’t non tendered Moylan yet. I figured he’d be long gone by now. Maybe they’ll work a club friendly deal with him since he won’t be available for afull season and could come in mid way and rest some of the others.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:22 pm
Dan Hayes of the North County Times considers it more likely that the Padres will trade Jason Bartlett than Orlando Hudson.
They are going to have to eat that salary. 7 million owed to Bartlett from 2012 salary(5.5) and 2013 buyout(1.5).
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:24 pm
Nice. I like what I see from the receiving corps – Kyle Williams looks like he has some promise as a #3.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:25 pm
Surprised they haven’t non tendered Moylan yet.
Same. But it’s coming.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
5:27 pm
o in turn, they are worse pitchers is kinda the way I look at it. They don’t have as deep a repotoire or as good a command.,…Efrim
yeah for a long time the tjhought in baseball was that relievers are relievers for a reason because they are crappy. though that applies a bit less now, some of most teams pens are in that vote. as we see fewer and fewer games where starters get through the 7th the pen becomes more and more a possible point to gain an advantage especially if you have affordable young guys with power arms. it would be great to have NO Proctors, Linebrinks, etc in it at all.
they have some young college relievers who will be coming up and as the get close and arrive Viz could be stretched out in a year or two about the time when Tommy might be leaving.
Certainly spending time in AAA would not hurt in any way, I just think if they deem hir ready we get more current value from him in the pen without compromising his future as a possible starter
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:29 pm
Not really a fan of Bartlett, but I see them looking for SS’s that have one year left. SD would have to pay part of that salary.
Snotboogie
November 20th, 2011
5:30 pm
Surprised they haven’t non tendered Moylan yet.
Wedding. Honeymoon,
Letting him enjoy that glow a little, probably.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
5:34 pm
yeah they have until the 12th to tender contracts IIRC. Would be kinda mean to cut him right now if that is even the final decision
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:35 pm
249 yards of offense for the 49ers to 52 yards of offense for the Cards. 9-0 Niners.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
5:36 pm
The Giants play pointyball too? That’s a pretty versatile team……
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:37 pm
nolie, good points. They could do what the Rangers are planning to do with Feliz – which is to now stretch him out to be a starter. Braves do have good relief prospects with this past draft – Cody Martin, Navery Moore, Mark Lamm, Matt Chafee….
VaBravesFan
November 20th, 2011
5:38 pm
Maybe the Braves could get Moylan to come back for a less money maybe with some incentives to get back up around 2 mil. If he returns we’d have the best bullpen in baseball for sure.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
5:39 pm
I was wondering too if they might approach Peter about that possibility Va
garynpohio
November 20th, 2011
5:45 pm
dont know if Swisher would produce, but his wife is hot, i know totally irrelevant to the blog
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:46 pm
- John Danks, Gavin Floyd, Gio Gonzalez, Trevor Cahill, Wade Davis, Jeff Niemann, and Jair Jurrjens all available in trades.
- C.J. Wilson, Mark Buerhle, Roy Oswalt, Edwin Jackson available in free agency.
- Yu Darvish available through posting.
I see no reason why the White Sox wouldn’t trade either Danks or Floyd and same for the Rays with Davis or Niemann.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:48 pm
dont know if Swisher would produce, but his wife is hot
Yeah she is. Still doesn’t beat out Jaime Kotsay, imo. Chase Utley’s girl is pretty attractive as well. Of course, only reason I know is because of all the rumors of Jayson Werth and her. Awful, if true.
CajunStorm
November 20th, 2011
5:48 pm
Nolie… Most of your wack azz takes and views are shallow of thought and clarity. I think the proof is in the vanilla pudding you slurp everytime you get on this blog….which is always. Take your rose colored glasses off and if you want to seem like you are intelligent and intellectually observant like you fake to be…. Then answer the dang question I asked. Idiot? Ha, idiocy belongs to the one who speaks and says nothing….like most of your wack azz posts. Answer the question or sink back into the wannabe category that we put you into. Can you do that or are you all talk with no substance?
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
5:53 pm
Again, people like CajunStorm don’t just find the blog and post something like that. And if they were long time readers and never post, why choose to post that? It’s someone who is on here at times and has serious issues. Oh well..
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
5:56 pm
CajunStorm
Pony up the money and pay them then. Quit complaining when you obviously don’t understand the logistics of the game.
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2011
6:03 pm
Vanilla pudding?
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
6:03 pm
Nice. Go Niners. Kyle Williams is a player.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
6:06 pm
Ahh! Eduardo Nunez, now there is a prophetic name mentioned by old Joe a few times, however How in the world did Nick Swisher get brought into this??? Nowhere has Swisher been linked to Atlanta… My guess Nunez, Montero(moved to LF due to poor defense behind the plate) for Jurrjens.But Swisher….nope can’t see that.
And for those that keep on whining and pining for the return of Alex Gonzalez….ain’t happening, the Front OFFICE DOES NOT WANT HIM BACK! might have something to do with all them damn double plays and pop-ups…. Let the Baseball people run the team aight!
ccrider
November 20th, 2011
6:07 pm
VABravesFan, Lew and nolie: I just figure between Chipper and Beltran we would have an average of 1.5 good hitters per game at the two positions, with Prado making up the other.5.
Is that so bad?
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
6:11 pm
And this about sums up how bad the AZ cardinals are:
MBachCSN Mindi Bach
Skelton goes deep and Donte Whitner has all day to grab the INT as he was WIDE OPEN
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
6:13 pm
nolie,Bat,P’Cola, dang ya’ll let a goober loose on the ol blog eh? where & when did nolie become stupid? I haven’t seen that part, nor have I seen many rednecks here,sounds like a frustrated phillies poser posting blitherage to me! Personally I enjoy banter with nolie, Bat, VJ, Tn Brian, and P’Cola, as well as McFann, and cab.. not many redneckers there! Now me on the other hand, well I am as rednecked as I can get, I have two BOOTS, and seemingly at this point I may find a place to plant one….:)
TnBrian
November 20th, 2011
6:13 pm
I believe Swisher’s wife played the daughter on the extremely UNfunny show called Reba. I know how unbelievably boring and unfunny that show was because my wife bought season’s 1-4 and was forced to sit through the misery.
She is pretty hot though.
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
6:14 pm
JoeBrave
Swisher came up when it was said that no way that Nunez alone nets JJ. Swisher makes sense. Monetero isn’t going anywhere. DH and back up C this year. May see time at 1B. They’ve said for a long time that Montero will not be traded. Hes been turned away for a lot bigger names than Jurrjens.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
6:14 pm
cab, Arizona is really bad……
I think Seattle is the 2nd best team in the division this year, with the Rams having the 2nd most talent when healthy.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
6:14 pm
And if Nunez is acquired for SS, I expect to get full credit for calling that one.
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
6:15 pm
Efrim-
Figuring out which team is the second best in the division is like sorting your trash. No matter what pile it goes into, it’s still trash…
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
6:15 pm
P’Cola, Romine is considered a better catcher than Montero
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
6:18 pm
Vernon Davis just set the 49ers Franchise record for TDs by a tight end
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
6:21 pm
This is ridiculous. Skelton is awful.
JoeBrave
November 20th, 2011
6:22 pm
Scouts review on Romine.
Another catcher in the system, Romine came in at No. 8 among prospects behind the plate. The 22-year-old’s defensive skills surpass Montero’s, but that doesn’t mean he can’t hit, with some extra-base pop that should continue to develop. He’s got a strong arm and solid receiving skills, and while he doesn’t have the offensive ceiling of Montero, there are more who believe he’s the one who could be an everyday catcher in the big leagues
Fred
November 20th, 2011
6:23 pm
I had community bbq cater my wife’s birthday party last night and the food was truly awesome. We had pulled pork, pulled chicken, briscuit, and all of the sides (with a gallon of sweet tea). The pulled pork was my favorite and thankfully we still have some leftover.
TnBrian
November 20th, 2011
6:23 pm
“Vernon Davis just set the 49ers Franchise record for TDs by a tight end”
Oh really? Ok.
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
6:24 pm
Efrim-
The worst part is (at least if you are a Cards fan) he has been playing a lot better than Kolb…and they own Kolb $21.5 million in guaranteed money on a 6 year/$65 million deal
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
6:25 pm
First punt of the game for the Niners comes with 2:54ish left in 3rd quarter
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
6:25 pm
Niners first punt with 2:54 to go in the 3rd quarter.
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2011
6:25 pm
JoeBrave
I’m not saying Romine not the better catcher and he may take over for Martin when hes gone but they are NOT moving Montero’s bat.
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
6:27 pm
And somehow the Niners promptly get it back – NFL Gameday has mercifully stopped showing Cardinals turnovers
TnBrian
November 20th, 2011
6:28 pm
For Dan Kolb? Geez cabravesfan, I don’t know, that’s a lot of money to pay a wannabe closer who had one decent season in his career. Get real