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TnBrian
November 20th, 2011
10:39 am
njbraves, Nunez is also only 24. Plenty of time to get better with the glove and he is a really cheap versatile player right now. Braves wouldn’t be dumb enough to trade either Prado or JJ straight up for him either. I think it’d actually be a good trade if we could get this guy and possily Swisher in the deal for JJ if the Yankees would take on a good chunk of Swisher’s remainig contract for ‘12.
Lew
November 20th, 2011
10:41 am
TommyP – I think it depends on whether or not he’d be a utility player or our starting SS for next year. Apparently the Dude’s D ain’t all that great and his offensive numbers don’t fill me with a bottomless pit of joy. A .315 OBP with little power isn’t really an upgrade over Gonzo, is it?
Coach (2011 Fredi G. FAILED)
November 20th, 2011
10:47 am
Lew, right you are. No upgrade at all.
TnBrian
November 20th, 2011
10:50 am
If they do trade for Nunez and have him as their starting SS then it is very obvious to me the Braves are really, really cheap, or completely broke. They should know better than having somebody with so many question marks on defense at a position like SS. I would believe they’re looking at Carroll and Barmes contracts and got spooked by the amount of money they’re gonna make and went extremely cheap.
But this is all jumping waaaay ahead. I can’t imagine Nunez would be anything more than a occasional fill in if they get him.
Coach (2011 Fredi G. FAILED)
November 20th, 2011
10:52 am
So I’ll sum up the off season as of right now.
Derek Lowe was traded to save five million. Kawakami and McLouth were fired, while Jurrjens and Prado are apparently on the trading block.
Smells like payroll issues to me although Wren has publicly stated that the team payroll will increase. Somehow, I seriously doubt anything Wren says these days.
TnBrian
November 20th, 2011
10:56 am
I would love to see a interview with a guy like Hudson, a groundball pitcher, when asked about Nunez as your new SS. I seriously doubt he would be all smiles. Guys with shaky defense and sailing throws at any IF position, especially SS, can make a sinkerballer sick to his stomach.
Like I say, no way I hell Nunez would be projected as anything more than a sub.
TnBrian
November 20th, 2011
10:59 am
Coach, this book isn’t written yet. Offseason hasn’t really even started up other than a Lowe for a bag of garbage swap. You sound childish. Sorry, but that’s what I think with a grown man whining about things he thinks might happen.
TnBrian
November 20th, 2011
11:04 am
Nunez would be the first piece to a three piece puzzle for Wren this offseason, imo. Starting SS and LF is next.
Billy Walsh
November 20th, 2011
11:06 am
The majority of Nunez’s errors are his throws. Most writers here in the northeast attribute that to his moving from third to short constantly. He has pop and can run.
Coach (2011 Fredi G. FAILED)
November 20th, 2011
11:08 am
TnBrian ……REALLY?
You have nothing better to do than insult other bloggers?
Lew
November 20th, 2011
11:18 am
Billy – Pop? Rreally? Dude hit no more than 6 HR (and that in low A ball) in any mionor league season and has a SLG% around .369 for his career. Couple that with a minor league OBP of .318 and it appears that he’s not even close to being an offensive force. Couple that with bad fielding – throws or not – and I really fail to see what anyone wouild be interested in him for.
Webster
November 20th, 2011
11:23 am
If it is defense first, the best SS available is Jack Wilson
Mike
November 20th, 2011
11:34 am
Outfielders and infielders throw from a different location to the same target on most plays. These are not street lamps throwing from one set spot. Those writers are mistaken to blame moving back and forth for poor throws. Sounds like those writers should have spent more time on the field playing and less time in the library.
David O'Brien
November 20th, 2011
11:36 am
Swisher (corner OF/1B) would make a LOT of sense for Braves if had they money to pay him. They don’t as it stands today, but if they could trade Jurrjens (perhaps to Yankees in such a deal?) they might have that cash.
Someone asked me what I thought about deal suggested by NY Daily News — Swisher, Nunez and a prospect for Jurrjens. Frankly, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Swisher in a contract year, last year of his deal, could be a huge addition to Braves offense. And Nunez could play SS for a year, a half-year, whatever necessary. Nunez is versatile, can play a handful of positions.
Ozzie
November 20th, 2011
11:45 am
Why is this team so desperate to win in one particular year versus build for the long haul. LF, CF, SS, 3B and maybe RF all will need replacements over the next 1-2 years.
Mac fades every summer and so that leaves FF and Uggla as your two long term and I guess reliable players.
Wren should be trading for near ML ready prospects and let 2012 just go already.
If this team would learn to play chess versus checkers we could have a great ball club in 2013 and beyond.
But they refuse to retool always looking for that 1 to 1.5 year rental to give them a shot at the post season. It was admirable for a while but now it is just sad.
Lew
November 20th, 2011
11:45 am
I’ve been advocating for several years for Swisher. If NUnez was a part of a deal that brought Swisher here, then it would be worthwhile, but only in such an instance.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
11:47 am
Harper suggests Swisher, Nunez and a middling prospect for Jurrjens….Efrim
so do it already
Lew
November 20th, 2011
11:50 am
Ozzie – When you have a team that should have made the playoffs, was fourth best in MLB until the final couple of weeks and only missed the playoffs by a game, you don’t tear down the team and rebuild for the future – you find a player or two to fix what kept you out of the playoffs the previous year.
That would be a better LFer and a shortstop that hits better than Gonzo, but can play good defense. Hardly a major overhaul.
Oh – and you let Ross play more for Mac.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
11:51 am
not that the Yanks are that crazy………
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
11:52 am
I can’t take people seriously when they think the Braves would trade Hudson if he weren’t a 10/5 guy.
Ozzie
November 20th, 2011
11:53 am
Mac being the third but he may ask for an expensive contract extension sooner versus later.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
11:56 am
Someone asked me what I thought about deal suggested by NY Daily News — Swisher, Nunez and a prospect for Jurrjens.
I really don’t think Cashman would do that.
As far as Nunez goes, he’s not a very good defender at SS. If Swisher is taken out of the deal – which I’d expect, then it starts to get real difficult to find a fit – as like I have said, the Yanks have Jesus Montero, Austin Romine, Gary Sanchez as their best position prospects and all of them are catchers. They also have a few good starters, but I’m not sure Wren would want more starting pitching.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
11:59 am
What’s with our fascination of Yankee backups(Melky, Nunez) for good Braves starting pitching(Vazquez, Jurrjens?
Lew
November 20th, 2011
12:01 pm
Ozzie – Mac is signed at the team’s discretion, through 2013. Not time to worry about what might happen a coupe of years down the road wen we have sustantial money coming off of the books before then.
Mac is not a current issue – other than giving him a bit more rest -especially in August and September.
Ozzie
November 20th, 2011
12:01 pm
Lew I agree with you (a full blow up is not needed) but I have this feeling the past two years have been abberations in terms of how play off ready this team may be.
In 2010 they had a massive number of late inning wins which they did not duplicate in 2011.
In 2011 they had amazing pitching in the 1H and Uggla’s 32 game hitting streak to save the summer.
I am not saying blow it up but I am thinking prospects versus rentals are the way to go. We don’t really have a CF, LF, 3B or a really great SS prospect close. Pastor is good with a bat but his defense needs work and his arm is ok. Simmons is better defensively but his bat is 2 years away from being ready.
In the OF there is zippo that is close.
So go into battle with the team you had in 2011 without getting guys like Swisher, Nuenez and just prepare for 2013.
This team could repeat 2011 with skill, better health or luck. If not you let your new prospect additions get some playing time and via 2012 as a mulligan.
Get a Wheeler if you can or a Myers (less likely) not Swisher et al.
Ozzie
November 20th, 2011
12:02 pm
view 2012…
Billy Walsh
November 20th, 2011
12:03 pm
Swisher is too streaky at the plate and cant hit in the postseason. Pass
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
12:04 pm
Things that make no sense:
#1 on the list for me would be the thought process behind a person thinking “Nick Swisher is a RF” – he doesn’t fit with us because out opening if LF”.
I mean, they are not that different folks. Corner outfielder is a corner outfielder and statistically, they should be lumped that way. Yes, it takes a greater arm for RF – but then why would it be harder for someone to move RF to LF?
nolie
November 20th, 2011
12:05 pm
Swisher is a HUGE upgrade over anyone we now have to play LF, but there is no way the Yanks five up him , Nunez and a prospect for JJ so it’s a moot point
nolie
November 20th, 2011
12:08 pm
you’re right Ef, a right fielder can always play LF, just need to get used to the different way the batted ball acts. not all LFers can play right though. Mostly the arm, but you would prefer more range there too, ideally anyway
Ozzie
November 20th, 2011
12:08 pm
Not to be rude but the Braves keep fielding c-tease teams that are designed to try to make hay in a particular year versus stepping back and strategically building for the long haul.
The 90s run was driven by stocking the farm system and enhanced with strategic FA moves or trades along the way.
Now they are so desperate to stay relevant their building horizon is 12 mos max. That is why attendance is down and is not good during the few times they make the post season. Fans don’t trust them or the players.
Spoiled by the 90s or not fans just see this team as being light a key piece or 3 (depending on the year) and won’t spend the money to have their hopes dashed.
Wren has a piled of pitching a 40 yo 3B who is the team’s best hitter (overall) and a OF full of ?marks (Bourn’s being will he stay or get moved by the summer). Trade from your position of strength and focus on 2013.
Lew
November 20th, 2011
12:09 pm
Billy – Maybe if you actually went to Baseballreference and looked up what Swisher has done?
Spider29
November 20th, 2011
12:10 pm
Ozzie, with this fan base, it is “just win, right now, baby”! We don’t seem to care about next year and the year after that, etc.
DS1
November 20th, 2011
12:10 pm
Jurrjens for Swisher and Nunez; and the Yankees send 3 million over.
In a heartbeat.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
12:11 pm
they do that because all you hafta do to win it all is get in and get hot. there is no such thing as a postseason constructed team in real life. as long as they have the chance to get in each year they will make an effort to do so. not really all that hard to understand
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
12:14 pm
John Harper from the New York Daily News brought the Swisher thing up. Yes, the Yankees are listening on him – but they are listening on everyone just like the Braves. I really don’t see the Yanks trading him and Nunez for Jurrjens – even without the addition of a prospect.
And there is no way I’m trading Jurrjens and Prado for Swisher, Nunez and a prospect. They’d have to include an elite prospect in that deal, imo.
Ozzie
November 20th, 2011
12:15 pm
Swisher is an upgrade but a rental. He is a FA after 2012 and if he has a good year in ATL he is likely gone after that. If he doesn’t you won’t want him back and in both cases you are out whatever pieces you traded to get him.
Winning it all in 2012 is not that important. One lousy skip year is not too much to ask. Heck we thought after 2010’s near miss 2011 should be a better in terms of getting deep into the post season.
Go back to 2009 and you probably had the same feeling about 2010.
Let’s just call it – 2012 is a mid level retooling year where we stock the farm system via trades.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
12:15 pm
And there is no way I’m trading Jurrjens and Prado for Swisher, Nunez and a prospect. They’d have to include an elite prospect in that deal, imo…Efrim
agreed
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
12:16 pm
CF Bourn
LF Swisher
C McCann
2B Uggla
1B Freeman
3B Jones
RF Heyward
SS Nunez
That’d be a damn good lineup.
David O'Brien
November 20th, 2011
12:17 pm
And for those wondering if Swisher’s stats inflated by Yankee Stadium, no. Unlike many NYY players, his stats have been just about neutral past two seasons.
In ‘11 he had 12 HR/.853 OPS at home, 11 HR/.792 OPS on the road, and in ‘10 he actually slugged 31 points higher on the road — .885 slugging with 14 homers on the road ; .854 slugging with 15 homers at home.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
12:18 pm
Winning it all in 2012 is not that important
damn what a stoopid statement. have you learned nothing by watching all the expensive teams with great rosters fail most years? You take it when and if you can get it and no GM in baseball would do it any differently
Ozzie
November 20th, 2011
12:18 pm
But there is a price to pay for c-teasing your fans. Win it now routine gets old if the results are not there (they aren’t in ATL case) and you burn up trade pieces & fan goodwill in the process with nothing to show for it.
Baseball after all is not horse shoes. Close doesn’t count or matter to many casual fans.
One year is not too much to ask since they probably won’t win it all with guys like Nuenez and or Swisher.
Lew
November 20th, 2011
12:19 pm
Ozzie – He wouldn’t be a rental if we signed him to a several year extension – which we could definitely do with the money coming off the books and th fact we have very young pitching over the next few years that won’t cose diddly.
nolie
November 20th, 2011
12:20 pm
so which one of our argumentative ex-posters is Ozzie?
McFann O O o
November 20th, 2011
12:20 pm
Soph McFann will probably have to share Mac with me.
I’d be open to that.
But I hope they don’t trade Marteen…
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
12:24 pm
so which one of our argumentative ex-posters is Ozzie?
Who’d be around on Sunday mornings? I always try to think about time of whatever day it is to determine the fake posters.
Big Nick
November 20th, 2011
12:25 pm
Efrim—
JJ and Prado for Nunez, Gardner and Robertson???
nolie
November 20th, 2011
12:26 pm
I think it has previously been suggested by others that Ozzie has a bit of a San Fran accent IINM
Tomahawkin
November 20th, 2011
12:35 pm
D.O.B.
I like Swisher’s Persona…He Seems Like a Great Clubhouse Guy who would Party with Big Red, B-Macc, etc…
But Nick Swisher Has The Melk-Dud (Melky Cabrera) Written all over him…And I’m calling that for the reason that he is gonna Stink facing pitchers in the NL for the first time…added to the fact that he wont be hitting in a All Star Loaded Lineup as well as hitting in 2 pitchers parks (Tooner Field and the New Marlins stadium) for 100 games
And D.O.B. is there anything ongoing for a cheap veteran reliever to replace Linestink? or is The F.O. going to go with Little Big Man MED’s and “The Viz” (Vizcaino)???
Inquiring Minds wanna know!
Big Nick
November 20th, 2011
12:36 pm
Is the blog stuck?
VaBravesFan
November 20th, 2011
12:39 pm
Swisher would be a big upgrade. Add a switch hitter with power and great OBP ability to the lineup. The guy plays 150+ games every season as well. Holds a career line of 254. 360. 466. and good for 25 dingers. He’s gonna be playing for a new contract as well. Expect a nice year from him.
BraveFaninBC
November 20th, 2011
12:39 pm
somebody is comparing Swisher to Melkey?
Tomahawkin
November 20th, 2011
12:42 pm
@McFann…
Martini will NOT Get Traded between now and the the July 31st 2012 deadline,
Bank On It!
His biggest asset to the team is that he is an Underrated version of Placido Polanco (In His Prime) who has the capability of hitting 20 homers…Martini wasnt Right when he came back from being Injured…And The hitting second behind The Bourn Identity messed his mind up…
Phillies Fans are Lusting for Trading Martini for Pestorino (Victorino) BTW
D.O.B. You know Zolecki…What would he think abt that?
TnBrian
November 20th, 2011
12:43 pm
I am confused to see why JJ for Swisher and Nunez is unfair to the Yankees as some have said. Nunez is nothing more than a sub and Swisher is set to hit FA after ‘12. Yankees need pitching and JJ is a good one. He also doesn’t hit FA until after ‘13 season if I’m not mistaken. Hey, we need hitting, they need pitching … why would Wren need to throw in any more pieces is my question?
Tomahawkin
November 20th, 2011
12:44 pm
BraveFaninBC
“somebody is comparing Swisher to Melkey?”
Yes, I am…because The Melk Dud Much like Loaf Could not hit facing NL Pitching, as well as hitting in a pitchers Paradise known as Tooner Field…
Pcola Brave
November 20th, 2011
12:49 pm
Melky didn’t have track record like swisher. No comparison there. Two totally different players.
BraveFaninBC
November 20th, 2011
12:49 pm
Swisher has hit all over, including Oakland which is a pitchers park. His OPS+ is 116.
Melky’s is 93. Only an idiot would liken the two of them
Tomahawkin
November 20th, 2011
12:53 pm
TnBrian?
What Is Ur Take on Alex Gonzalez?
My View Is This…
Good Teams Have Strong Up The Middle Defense…Which I like in Gonzo, But At The Plate…He Makes me wanna Throw Stuff in close Games…
There Have been Plenty of Times where I have Seen Rafael Belliard Have more Productive At-Bats Than Gonzo…Gonzo was More Frustrating to watch at the plate than A. Jones and Francoeur…Hence my BF’s On the Blog during games late last season
My Gut says sign Gonzo on a 1 year Incentive Laden Deal…If he wants too much, let him walk!
VaBravesFan
November 20th, 2011
12:53 pm
Swisher’s 7 full season’s he had a 800+ OPS in 5 of them. While averaging 26 homers a year. Nothing like Melky who was barely a regular and pegged to be a 4th OFer type.
mpimentel
November 20th, 2011
12:54 pm
forget about this upcoming season…the phills still are packed of talent that overwhelm us(howard,pence,halladay)…and miami new franchise and tha capitol city have big bucs to spend this winter… my plan is: trade jj and get some young left side infield talent (j fransisco from reds, paredes from astros, aybar from alos) or get a talented one in outfield (jones or markakys from O’s)… my issue is DON’T MAKE ANY MOVE THIS UPCOMING SEASON…wait until cjones retired…and lets prove if the young corp of pitchers are trully talent, and wait if (and is a big IF) jhay will bounce back…we have the chance to packed a young talented corp
VaBravesFan
November 20th, 2011
12:56 pm
Gonzo might be in line for a 2 year deal possibly. With 37 year old utility man Carroll getting 6.75 mil over 2 yr. And Clint Barmes getting over 5 mil a season. Thats more than Omar Infante…. I really think there gonna have to look else where.
Tomahawkin
November 20th, 2011
12:59 pm
VaBravesFan…
Pastornicky is Creeping On Ah Come UP…
It would be Dumb to give Gonzo a two year deal… Especially since our Cheap owners are not gonna shell out any more money
Sign Gonzo on a Cheap Incentive VIP at clubs based deal…Otherwise…Let him walk…
BraveFaninBC
November 20th, 2011
1:00 pm
I would not mind seeing Gonzalez come back for one more year, but you would think that if Barmes and Carroll got two years that Gonzalez would be able to. He is at least a little better defensively and has more pop.
Shaun
November 20th, 2011
1:02 pm
Jurrjens is due for a fairly significant raise in 2012 and 2013, then he’s a free agent after the 2013 season. There is a very good chance he’s no great value in 2012 and 2013 and he’ll be gone by 2014. The Braves have pitching. Why not deal him to fill a bigger need, namely a big-time offensive leftfielder, if they can make the money work?
Swisher has never had a bad season in the majors. Since turning 25, in all but one season out of five, he’s posted an OPS+ of at least 117. He’s never had an OPS+ under 92. His career OPS+ is 116. In four of the last six seasons, he’s been over 121.
While playing his homes games in Oakland, a neutral park, between the ages of 23 and 26, he posted a .361 OBP and a .464 SLG.
Melky Cabrera never had an OPS+ in a season above 95 when he came to the Braves. His career OPS+ going into the 2010 season was 86.
VaBravesFan
November 20th, 2011
1:02 pm
SeaBass doesnt have any value as a bench player. He really doesnt play any other postions, and isnt a dependable bat either. (making contact, bunting, moving runners) Only value is playing 130 games at Shortstop where his great defense is used. That might keep him at a 1 year deal.
BraveFaninBC
November 20th, 2011
1:06 pm
Oakland is more of a pitcher’s park, it’s normalized Runs Scored is under 1 just about every year.
Shaun
November 20th, 2011
1:07 pm
Melky’s season with the Braves more or less matched his career norms: 86 OPS+ 2005-2009 and a 83 OPS+ in 2010. The suggestion that Melky all of the sudden stopped hitting when he came to the NL and to playing his home games in the Ted is ridiculous.
DS1
November 20th, 2011
1:08 pm
What some folks don’t realize, is that Melky was forced into a full time roll. If our first line outfielders had stayed relatively healthy, he’d have only been the 4th outfielder.
And to be honest, as poorly as he did in ATL, we’d of been sunk without him.
Concerning Gonzo: He gets a 2 year deal. Anybody that thinks otherwise is not watching what is happening this winter.
keyLargo
November 20th, 2011
1:08 pm
The gigantic mistake that made the Tex trade a monumental disaster was not having a contract worked out prior to the trade. We’ve already got one outfielder probably walking at the end of 12 (Bourn). I’d just make sure it wasn’t going to be two (Swisher).
Bat Masterson
November 20th, 2011
1:10 pm
But there is a price to pay for c-teasing your fans. _ Ozzie
What is the c-teasing you keep referring to? Why the c, is just teasing insufficient? C for championship, maybe?
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
1:10 pm
TnBrian, the Yankees value Nunez highly and Swisher is really good. That’s why there isn’t a need for the Yankees to add to that deal. If anything, they may have to give us 2-3 million to cover the difference in Swisher and Jurrjens salary. Swisher is a really good player and a great fit for this team.
BraveFaninBC
November 20th, 2011
1:10 pm
He led the majors in fielding this year, and has had two great defensive years in a row since he stayed healthy. Starting shortstops are not in that great of a supply and he hit well under pressure down the stretch, that should impress some team
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
1:13 pm
Who was comparing Melky to Swisher? That’s ridiculous. They’re not close in terms of offensive production. Nunez to Melky? That makes more sense.
Tomahawkin
November 20th, 2011
1:14 pm
@Shaun???
Didn’t Nick Swisher Struggle To hit at The Cell? (US Cellular Field) When He Played for The White Sox?
I’m Saying No to Swisher!
We Need Fundamental Hitters who can Run and execute on the little things…The roid era is over…We Dont Need Streaky hitters who rely on the longball for run production….We have enough of those hitters as it stands right now….
BraveFaninBC
November 20th, 2011
1:14 pm
I believe it was Tomahawkin making the comparason
David O'Brien
November 20th, 2011
1:16 pm
Lykke Li had one of the better albums of 2011, Wounded Rhymes. Love this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZYbEL06lEU
Bat Masterson
November 20th, 2011
1:16 pm
forget about this upcoming season _ mpimentel
Nope. Even if the Braves keep JJ and Prado, and just make minor moves, including a short stop, I expect them to be competitive. I’m looking forward to the season. Hell Play ball
cabravesfan
November 20th, 2011
1:16 pm
Proof that everything is going Green Bay’s way this year-
They get stopped deep in their own zone, are forced to punt, protection breaks down and Tampa nearly blocks kick, punter pulls ball back, drops it, picks it up, runs for the first down, drops it again, and it rolls out of bounds. First down Green Bay
N8
November 20th, 2011
1:16 pm
Swisher and Nunez (and maybe prospects) for JJJ?
Sold. Where do we sign up for that? Depending on how much (if any) cash the Yanks send along in the deal, would determine if Prado is kept as the uber-utility guy/backup at 3B for Chipper.
If Prado is needed to be moved to make the Swisher deal work cash wise, then so be it. Still probably get a nice prospect or two in return for Prado, and with Pastornicky close, Nunez could shift to 3B in a pinch if Chipper goes down.
Get-R-Done Frank! NOW!!!! (before Ward passes out and misses the off-season all together in a coma).
flange1
November 20th, 2011
1:17 pm
If the Braves made the trade, would they then feel the need to trade Prado also?
I mean with Swisher, Heyward, Freeman, and Uggla in LF, RF, 1B and 2B, the only work Prado will get is replacing Chipper when he needs a break.
Can Atlanta afford a $5 million dollar SEMI sub?
Tomahawkin
November 20th, 2011
1:17 pm
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
1:13 pm
Who was comparing Melky to Swisher? That’s ridiculous. They’re not close in terms of offensive production. Nunez to Melky? That makes more sense.
It Was Me! Im Standing Up…!
We Both know Damn Well that Swisher Wont hit playing 100 games at two Pitchers Parks (Tooner Field And The New Marlins Stadium) as well as having to face NL pitching…Not To mention the Fact that Swisher Wont be in a Lineup Loaded with perennial All Stars as his was being in the Stankees Lineup…
VaBravesFan
November 20th, 2011
1:18 pm
Tomahawkin
Just talking about the Outfield in general the Braves need to have a true everyday LFer. We need better OBP/SLG at the position.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
1:19 pm
Weren’t the Braves interested in Swisher when Cashman traded for him after the 2008 season? Pretty sure I heard a rumor or two when that was going on.
Shaun
November 20th, 2011
1:21 pm
KeyLargo, it depends on what the Braves would give up. If Jurrjens is the major piece for the Braves, it probably wouldn’t be a disaster if Swisher (and Bourn) walk. Remember Jurrjens is arb eligible going into 2012 and 2013, then he’s a free agent after the 2013 season. It would be wise to trade him now for Swisher or trade him at some other point before the 2013 deadline. May as well be now, if it fills a need. In fact, maybe better now since there is a decent possibility Jurrjens will no longer be that great a value given his arb eligibility.
N8
November 20th, 2011
1:21 pm
“We Both know Damn Well that Swisher Wont hit playing 100 games at two Pitchers Parks….”
Maybe you’re right T-Hawk, maybe you’re not. But you and I both know that Prado likely won’t stay healthy (so he can’t be relied upon to be a full time LF), and Jurrjens is slowly turning into Mike Hampton “light”. Awesome when healthy, but not always a given that he will be.
So why not take a chance by trading a guy with no guarantees (or two of them), for another guy with no guarantees?
Running the same bunch of guys out there and expecting different results is insanity (by quasi-definition)… change might be good. Then again it might be disaster.
But I’m glad Wren isn’t going to sit on his hands and find out.
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
1:23 pm
Tomahawkin, why in gods name would facing NL pitching be a bad thing for Swisher? AL pitching is better than NL pitching. You’re making no sense. Swisher is a tremendous upgrade from what we usually throw out there in left field. When was the last time there was a better player out there? Chipper?
BraveFaninBC
November 20th, 2011
1:24 pm
Nunez could take over the old Infante roll. Neither one are all that great defensively, but they are versatile and can step in for awhile most anywhere
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
1:26 pm
Why is Michael Bourn and Nick Swisher walking after 2012 a bad thing? It’s called free agency and the offseason. It’s okay to have needs going into it. Use trade assets or cash to fill the needs. Come on, people. Be a little open minded about Wren’s ability to fill two or three holes(Third base) in the lineup. It’s possible with a smart front office, which we have.
BraveFaninBC
November 20th, 2011
1:27 pm
We are doing a lot of arguing over something that is probably not going to happen, like we so often do
Efrim
November 20th, 2011
1:28 pm
Eduardo Nunez looks like a backup, super utility player. I’d be okay with him playing SS for next year, or part of it.
However, if Swisher isn’t coming over in a trade, then I think it all falls apart, as the Yankees and Braves don’t match up well in a trade for Nunez + prospects trade.
Tomahawkin
November 20th, 2011
1:28 pm
VaBravesFan
November 20th, 2011
1:18 pm
Tomahawkin
“Just talking about the Outfield in general the Braves need to have a true everyday LFer. We need better OBP/SLG at the position.”
I Will Co-Sign On That…We Need A Stud Hitter in The Corner Positions in The OF…His Name will be Hurtward…If he can get Corrected???
But This Isnt the Roid era of the year 2000…You cant find those kinds of Corner Outfield Power hitters now without dumping the farm or getting Hustled in a Trade or Free Agency
A Year Ago…We All Thought Martini was On Lock to hit 20-75 playing everyday in LF, Same As Hurtward (Who Hasnt been Rignt since the Collision with Nasty Nate in June of 10}…
Martini Had an off year due to injury…Martini is More Valuable than Swisher because Martini will play 3rd when Hoss is Hurt…Hoss Cant be counted on to play no more than 120 games
Do Not Trade Martini!
Tomahawkin
November 20th, 2011
1:32 pm
BraveFaninBC
November 20th, 2011
1:27 pm
“We are doing a lot of arguing over something that is probably not going to happen, like we so often do ”
I know…lol.. I just dont want Martini Traded for Slop! It would Be A 2011 Version of Trading Jermaine Dye to a lesser extent…
DS1
November 20th, 2011
1:34 pm
Not sure where all the Swisher hate is coming from. He’s been a pretty darned good player, as many here have spelled out.
Now the question is this: Do the Yankees have someone to replace him if he is dealt? Beltran maybe?
BraveFaninBC
November 20th, 2011
1:36 pm
Not taking about trading Prado at all right now, its about Jurrjens. I would just as soon keep Prado too.
Tomahawkin
November 20th, 2011
1:36 pm
@Efrim…
“Tomahawkin, why in gods name would facing NL pitching be a bad thing for Swisher? AL pitching is better than NL pitching. You’re making no sense. Swisher is a tremendous upgrade from what we usually throw out there in left field.”
My Bad..
I thought Swisher Sweet was on Contract for 1 more year, or an option..
You seriously Think that Al Pitching is Better than NL pitching? Given That the AL uses the DH and In My opinion there are a lot more teams in the AL with garbage pitching as opposed to the NL???
D.O.B. Will prolly tell you that the pitching overall is better in The NL, Always has been…
garynpohio
November 20th, 2011
1:38 pm
people hate Swisher, Cuddyer and Beltran whatever happens if FG is in the trade and goes we win
BraveFaninBC
November 20th, 2011
1:39 pm
The fact that the AL uses the DH raises ERAs, but has nothing to do with the quality of the pitching.
Tomahawkin
November 20th, 2011
1:43 pm
D.O.B.
Do You Know Your Next Schedule Appearance On Sports Radio 680 The Fan? Or is it Impromptu when you go on there as if they call u all of a sudden…?
The Best Show on there Is Chuck And Chernoff!
Snotboogie
November 20th, 2011
1:47 pm
Dont the Yankees have a need for Nunez – Jeter and ARod need to rotate in and out of the DH spot and Nunez is their fill-in. That’s a lot of value for them unless the can go out and sign someone to do just that. Him plus Swisher is going to be quite expensive. Cant be just JJ, I think.
Tomahawkin
November 20th, 2011
1:47 pm
BraveFaninBC
“The fact that the AL uses the DH raises ERAs, but has nothing to do with the quality of the pitching.”
You Really Think So??? Especially During The Roid era…The NL Pitchers reigned supreme AL Pitchers Were Garbage from 1993-2005ish…
Up Until 2005ish AL pitching has been Garbage…And still is inferior with the NL to this day with or without the DH