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nolie
November 18th, 2011
7:50 pm
where everybody be?
Venice Jim
November 18th, 2011
7:51 pm
Right here, nolie!
flange1
November 18th, 2011
7:52 pm
Thanks for the new blog DOB!
McFann O O o
November 18th, 2011
7:57 pm
Thanks for the new Blog, Chief.
The Braves haven’t approached McCann about a potential contract extension yet…
Well…what are they waiting for?…
nolie
November 18th, 2011
7:59 pm
his .750 career OPS on the road is better than Prado’s .745 career road OPS…DOB
you are kidding, right? that is all but statistically meaningless
so is the 110 to 108 OPS+
Brave New World
November 18th, 2011
8:01 pm
A new blog – now we’re talking turkey.
nolie
November 18th, 2011
8:02 pm
Gobble, gobble
JT Grace
November 18th, 2011
8:03 pm
I would be very reluctant to trade Prado for Seth Smith and Charlie Blackmon. Blackmon is left-handed and has never been anything more than a C prospect – Smith is a platoon left fielder with limited versatility. I don’t think the Braves match up with the Rockies at all, unless the Braves send a pitching prospect or Jurrjens along with Prado to get Nolan Arenado.
JoshTown
November 18th, 2011
8:06 pm
Nice DOB! Thanks for the updates!
shawn
November 18th, 2011
8:08 pm
Thanks Dave for the Blog..
Bob the Blogger
November 18th, 2011
8:11 pm
Think of how valuable Prado is to the Braves. Now imagine Chipper, Uggla, Heyward or Freeman going on the DL for an extended period of time. Now how valuable is Prado – especially in light of the other options at those positions?
Coach (2011 Fredi G. FAILED)
November 18th, 2011
8:14 pm
Excellent stuff O’Brien.
Frank Wren has a lot of work to do yet.
bbua
November 18th, 2011
8:15 pm
Like most Braves fans I don’t want to see Prado traded. However if we could get Smith and Wheeler or Blackmon I think we should do it. It’s doubtful we will resign Bourn and next year we will be looking for a CF. This trade would resolve that issue and Smith would be a serviceable LF.
I would like for the Braves to expand the trade to include Chris Nelson of the Rockies, he is a ss but can play 3b and 2b. He could assume Prado’s position at backing up Chipper and could back up the ss position. He had good numbers in AAA but they fail off when called up to the Rockies. He is also a Georgia boy having played HS ball in Decatur. Not sure what the Rockies would ask for to include him in the trade. This trade could resolve our future CF problem, provide an adequate LF and back up to the 3b and ss position.
Any thoughts.
bruce
November 18th, 2011
8:17 pm
Is Pastornicky’s glove ready? If so, seems like letting his bat mature in live action would not be worse than Gonzo’s bat
ray
November 18th, 2011
8:20 pm
Braves love to trade for guys they know they can’t keep. Bourn is the latest one after Drew and Teixeira, trade 4 prospects for 1 1/2 yrs. Phils gave up better prospects to Houston for Pence but 1.he’s a better player 2. has 1 more yr left than Bourn and 3. will likely sign an extension with Phils and stay many more years.
some people never learn. even rats figure out a maze at some point.
nolie
November 18th, 2011
8:22 pm
get ray some cheese guys……..
Coach (2011 Fredi G. FAILED)
November 18th, 2011
8:22 pm
As for the Seth Smith/Tim Wheeler combo for Martin Prado……
Well hell, I would settle for Dexter Fowler/Tim Wheeler and call it a good trade. Fowler’s a much better athlete with a higher overall ceiling, and he’s three years younger than Seth Smith.
jch
November 18th, 2011
8:28 pm
BBQ recommendation: DOB, or anyone else for that matter, if you make it to Sarasota this winter or in Spring Training you need to hit Nancy’s BBQ – it’s amazing! For years she’s only catered which she’s done for our family when we’re in town on many occasions. Last year she opened a brick ‘n’ mortar place in downtown and it’s fantastic. Get the Brisket, you won’t be sorry! Nothing in Atlanta is even close…
nolie
November 18th, 2011
8:31 pm
Sarasota huh? might hafta run up and try that
nolie
November 18th, 2011
8:34 pm
if they won’t trade Smith and Wheeler they sure ainta gonna trade Fowler and Wheeler
nolie
November 18th, 2011
8:41 pm
kinda quiet even with the new blog
jch
November 18th, 2011
8:41 pm
Nolie, you won’t be sorry. Not sure how for “up” there is, but it’s worth it…
nolie
November 18th, 2011
8:42 pm
50-60 miles. I pass once in a while on theway to St Pete
bbua
November 18th, 2011
8:42 pm
I agree let’s get Fowler and Wheeler and call it a day. Unfortunately it ain’t happening, they are not trading Fowler.
jch
November 18th, 2011
8:44 pm
Google Nancy’s BBQ for address. I know it’s on Pineapple St/Rd downtown…
Laughing Jack (OUT LOUD)
November 18th, 2011
8:45 pm
Nice to read some current Braves news, DOB. Thanks, your efforts are appreciated. One of the things I like about our Braves origanization is their patience. Everything in it’s time. Step by step, Frank gets it done.
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
8:46 pm
WTH! sure Wren is complacent, and happy with a parttime starter? JJ…TRADE HIM!!!!!!!
Greene Hornet
November 18th, 2011
8:46 pm
The Braves are in a good position where if they make the right decision they will be a very strong contender in 2012. Even with the team the way it is, they are likely to make a playoff push. I just hope all the players, but moreover, the pitchers can stay healthy. I have always wondered, though, if Prado could ever play SS? I know it is not the same as 2B and plays different, but it is closer to being 2B than LF is and if Chipper goes down, we still have versaility in some ways with Prado still on the roster. Maybe that will make the search for a LF easier. I don’t know…just asking.
Either way, I support Wren and the team! I just hope we can find the right fits and the current roster can hit better than last year.
Count Chocula
November 18th, 2011
8:47 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
More on Swisher: There are teams interested in dealing for him.
Trade for Swisher,period
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
8:48 pm
bruce….UH! no Pastornicky is not ready, will not be ready, and will probably go the way of Lillybritches, and Schafer….included in a TRADE.
Bat Masterson
November 18th, 2011
8:49 pm
Good read DOB, thanks.
McCann maxed out on all the escalators tied to Gold Gloves, Silver Sluggers and All-Star appearances, pushing the salary to $11.5 million.
How did Heap max those out? What was the combination? I mean, yeah 9 out of a possible 15 works for me, but I haven’t seen an explanation anywhere.
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
8:49 pm
and now the Prado to short crapola comes up again!
BravesFanLostInOH
November 18th, 2011
8:50 pm
I think you meant Jurrjens here:
However, other teams could be reluctant to meet the Braves’ asking price because of a few factors: Prado has ended each of the past two seasons with knee injuries; he’s represented by Boras and could thus be difficult to retain beyond 2013; and he has less than overpowering stuff, leading some skeptics to suggest he’ll never be a true ace.
jch
November 18th, 2011
8:51 pm
Sounds like JoeBrave is trying to stir the pot a little this evening….
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
8:52 pm
Please please please be rational, insert name other than Prado, and Pastornicky on the back of the Braves Shortstop Jersey!
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
8:54 pm
jch, no! it has been hashed and re-hashed, and to the point of regurgitation about Prado, and Pastornicky at SS for the Braves this year. Prado cannot play ss he is worthless there, and there isn’t any way in hell Pastornicky is sniffing ss for the Braves before 2013 if he even remains, Most likley given the track record of Wren, when it comes to over-hyped prospects, TRADED, seems his destiny.
jch
November 18th, 2011
8:57 pm
keep the pot boiling Joe…
Venice Jim
November 18th, 2011
8:58 pm
JJ…TRADE HIM!!!!!!!
Trade for Swisher,period
Trying to bring the fans together…
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
8:59 pm
believe I will when it comes to those two…
Redundant! if you get my drift.
hell I would rather see Craig Counsell at SS than Prado.
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:00 pm
VJ, how are ya man? cold here in tha GA Mountains!
Ralph
November 18th, 2011
9:00 pm
I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again, 2013 is the year of the Braves, lucky if they get any higher than 4th in 2012 behind the Phils, Marlins and Nats in that order. They must rid themselves of Chipper, Lowe, Hudsons payroll (almost half the team) before they can go after a 3rd baseman and outfielder. 2013 will also be the year that all our young players will be ready for the big show.
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:01 pm
Ralph? really? How bout just Bourn /Jurrjens to LAA for Trumbo/Aybar/Cowart
Venice Jim
November 18th, 2011
9:03 pm
JoeBrave – seasonably temperate here in Southern California…
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:03 pm
could easily pick Cincy off for Francisco/Cozart for Jurrjens, sounds like 2 good 3b spects to me.
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:04 pm
how is cab tonite VJ? hope the pooch is good as well.
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:05 pm
if not for tickin McFann off, I would suggest McCann/Prado to Yankees for Montero, Romine,Nunez,Banuelos
Venice Jim
November 18th, 2011
9:07 pm
Everyone here is well – I’ve had most of the day off, which is a rarity for me these days (not that I’m complaining about working 4 or 5 hours most days…
jch
November 18th, 2011
9:07 pm
I haven’t seen anyone seriously suggesting Prado at SS – at least anyone with any sense… As for Pasto, who knows, maybe by mid-year he’ll be ready but I agree, not now. He does deserve an invite to Disney in the spring to try to earn the spot.
I think we’ll end up with a 1 year rental until Pasto is ready
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:07 pm
lol 17 hours a day still for me there VJ, 7 days a week
jch
November 18th, 2011
9:10 pm
What’s the general consensus on Prado taking Chipper’s job in ‘13? I’m not sold on this plan… There was a definite drop off defensively when Prado spelled Chipper last season and we’re talking about an OLD Chipper he dropped of from…
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:10 pm
jch, which is why I suggest Aybar, 1 year deal, and draft pick afterward, depending on the cba.
just grinds my gears to keep seeing Prado/Pastornicky in every damn post, seems like it would sink in after while.
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:11 pm
jch, my consensus is NO! would rather the team acquire a 3B with pop, I like Prado, but not at 3B…….
jch
November 18th, 2011
9:13 pm
Joe, I’d say we’re pretty much in agreement…
I just wish they’d kept Lowe; now who’s going to start opening day????
jch
November 18th, 2011
9:13 pm
;D
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:14 pm
4 targets I would press for
Arenado
Castellanos
Francisco
Laird…
another would be Trumbo for 3b, he had a terrible obp, but damn what a masher.
jch
November 18th, 2011
9:15 pm
Joe, I’m guessing you’d agree then Prado is expendable. I love is work ethic and what he brings to the clubhouse but I don’t see anywhere to put him. The only question is when and for whom.
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:15 pm
My guess for the opener Tim Hudson, I don’t expect JJ to be here, have a feeling Cincy is going to cave.
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:17 pm
Tigers/colorado/bosox one of those will get him. Wren will get good value.
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:19 pm
Prado is an all-star at 2B only….not enough production at LF, some apologists would say it was staph, maybe , maybe not , I would say playing out of position along with an ailing leg caused his slip, or maybe he just peaked, and is now regressing to the norm. either way a 5 mill sub is not happening in Atlanta.
jch
November 18th, 2011
9:20 pm
JB – I’m assuming you caught the sarcasm in the Lowe comment…
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:22 pm
2 years ago it was blasphemy if I said ol big ears Lillybritches was a bust, welllll…..then I said Schafer would never cut it….and was lambasted..well Cheech Schafer is now in Houston., believe this, Tyler Pastornicky is in the same category.
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:23 pm
Yes I did, Lowe should never have had that spot to begin with….
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:24 pm
Chatting with people that don’t ride the straps of guys like Francouer,Schafer,Lillibridge,and the like, is a pleasure jch.
Husker Du Too
November 18th, 2011
9:25 pm
Eight miles high on the huskerdu reference
jch
November 18th, 2011
9:26 pm
JB, is there a top tier SS out there on the trade market we could package Prado and Pasto for to get us through to Simmons???
TnBrian
November 18th, 2011
9:29 pm
DOB, nice blog, man. Very good
What I get from Wren here is that both Prado and JJ will be traded. He said it in so many words without actually saying it.
JJ to Reds makes sense for both sides. JJ is right he is gettig groundballs. Groundball pitcher in their park is a must. Somebody on their side I’d hope they stay way clear of is Stubbs. Poor hitter, but fast and a good fielder. Hope they wouldn’t be tempted by his speed/fielding. He sucks at everything else.
BBraves
November 18th, 2011
9:29 pm
Sure hope the Braves do not sign some washed up relivers like last year. The players the Braves have in the system is better than some middle reliver they can sign as a free agent. Keep Prado and trade JJ is they can get a decent return. I like JJ but he just can make it through a whole year without injury.
jch
November 18th, 2011
9:29 pm
However, I’m a bit apprehensive to see us trade away SS prospects considering BOTH of the starting SS in the World Series are Braves prospects… Does make you wonder!!!
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:30 pm
No, not both guys not at all.
I would consider Lowrie, Cozart, Aybar,Nunez, one guy intrigues me most, Reid Brignac… had a purely miserable year, and not his m.o. maybe Prado for Brignac/Zobrist
TnBrian
November 18th, 2011
9:30 pm
To finish my post, Reds to have some intersting prospects. Heisy is interesting too.
garynpohio
November 18th, 2011
9:31 pm
wonder what we could have got for JJ when he was hot last season
ncgary
November 18th, 2011
9:33 pm
i think the only way prado plays short would be for 1 game
if no backup is on the roster and an injury occurs
jch
November 18th, 2011
9:35 pm
Prado has proven he needs to be at 2B – and deserves an everyday job there. I hope he gets it through a solid trade for the Braves
BRAVOS4EVER
November 18th, 2011
9:37 pm
DOB; How about a discussion about the expanded playoffs and the Astros moving to the AL, the Stohs have always been easy pickings for the Braves. Personally I hate the idea of more teams in the finals, makes the regular season needless as almost everybody gets in ala the NHL NBA.
Efrim
November 18th, 2011
9:43 pm
DOB, awesome blog man. Really good stuff throughout and a great read. Filled my hot stove craving.
McFann O O o
November 18th, 2011
9:45 pm
Bat M. How did Heap max those out?
I was kinda wondering what that meant, too…
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:50 pm
McFann O O o
November 18th, 2011
9:45 pm
Bat M. How did Heap max those out?
I was kinda wondering what that meant, too…
He ate all the Dunkin Doughnuts two days in a row…. LMBO
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:52 pm
Mac reminds me of the fat kid in the school lunchroom that steals all the rolls, from the other student’s plates.
ncgary
November 18th, 2011
9:53 pm
all the all star selections silver sluggers and gold gloves earned hin an extra 3 million next year
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:54 pm
LMBO
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:55 pm
Baaaabay, here I am
Imma man upon yo scene.
I can give ya what you want but you got to come home with me.
I sho got some good ol lovin
and I got some more in store.
when I get to thrown it on ya
you come runnin back for more!
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:56 pm
Pretty lil girls go down by the dozen
that aint nuthin but small time lovin
Heyyyy lil thang let lite yo candle
cause mama I’m sho hard to handle
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
9:57 pm
Hey….Yo Frank Wren, go get Ben Zobrist!!! there be your left fielder
Frank Wren
November 18th, 2011
10:00 pm
Hey….Yo Frank Wren, go get Ben Zobrist!!! there be your left fielder
Done! Whew…I’m glad I read the blog today. Else way I wouldn’t know what to do!
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
10:03 pm
lol
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
10:04 pm
FW, bout time you listened to me!!!
Bat Masterson
November 18th, 2011
10:11 pm
all the all star selections silver sluggers and gold gloves earned hin an extra 3 million next year _ ncgary
What Gold Gloves would those be?
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
10:11 pm
If you build it Frank they will come!
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
10:12 pm
Could be Holding you tonight
oughtta quit doin wrong, start doing right.
Frank Wren
November 18th, 2011
10:13 pm
Any other trade suggestions? While I’m here?
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
10:13 pm
You don’t care about what I think.
I think I’ll just stay here and drink.
Hey puttin’ you down don’t square no deal.
Least you know the way I feel.
Take all the money in the bank.
Think ‘ll just stay here and drink.
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
10:15 pm
Yes Trade McCann/Hanson for a package of Montero/Gardner/Nunez/Banuelos/Romine… PLease
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
10:15 pm
Listen close and you can hear,
That loud jukebox playin’ in my ear.
Ain’t no woman gonna change the way I think.
Think ‘ll just stay here and drink
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
10:16 pm
Hurtin’ me now don’t mean a thing.
Since lovin’ you, don’t feel no pain.
My mind ain’t nothin’ but a total blank.
I think I’ll just stay here and drink, yeah
ncgary
November 18th, 2011
10:16 pm
the ones that helped max out his contract that he didn’t need and did’t get. lol
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
10:17 pm
Well, I cant sell my momma short on loving me
I guess that’s why she let me go so far
Momma always stopped me short of stealing
I guess thats why I had to steal that car.
She told me not to smoke it
But I did and it took me far away
And I turned out to be
The only hell mama ever raised.
I pulled into Atlanta, stolen tags and almost out of gas
I had to get some money, and lately I’d learned how to get it fast
Those neon lights was calling me and somehow I had to get downtown
I reached into the glovebox, another liquor store went down.
Chorus:
And I sing “Precious Memories,” take me back to the good ol’ days
I can hear my momma singing, “Rock of Ages” cleft for me
She tried to turn me on to Jesus, but I turned on to the devil’s ways
And I turned out to be the only hell my moma ever raised.
When they put those handcuffs on me, Lord how I fought to resist
But that agent clamped ‘em tighter, ’til that metal bit into my wrist
They took my boots and my billfold, my fingerprints, and the profile of my face
Then they locked away the only hell my moma ever ever raised.
Chorus:
And I sing “Precious Memories,” take me back to the good ol’ days
I can hear my momma singing, “Rock of Ages” cleft for me
She tried to turn me on to Jesus, but I turned on to the devil’s ways
And I turned out to be the only hell my moma ever raised.
ncgary
November 18th, 2011
10:18 pm
as mcfann would say jeeesh what sticklers
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
10:19 pm
Ol Joe drankin tonite, lol not really, just drankin music
JoeBrave
November 18th, 2011
10:21 pm
Johnny Paycheck::::::::::::::::::
Well, I can’t recall, one time in my life,
I’ve felt as lonely as I do tonight.
I feel like I could lay down, and get up no more,
It’s the damndest feelin’; I never felt it before.
Tonight I feel like an old violin,
Soon to be put away and never played again.
Don’t ask me why I feel like this, hell, I can’t say.
I only wish this feelin’ would just go away.
I guess it’s ‘cos the truth,
Is the hardest thing I ever faced.
‘Cos you can’t change the truth,
In the slightest way. I tried.
[ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/j/johnny_paycheck/old_violin.html ]
So I asked myself,
I said: ‘John, where do you go from here?’
Then like a damned fool,
I turned around and looked in the mirror.
And there I saw, an old violin.
Soon to be put away and never played again.
So one more time, just to be sure,
I said: ‘John, where in the hell do you go from here?’
You know that when a nickel’s worth of beer,
When I looked in the mirror, that’s when I knew.
That there I was seein’, an old violin.
Soon to be put away, and never played again.
And just like that, it hit me,
That old violin and I were just alike.
We’d give our all to music,
And soon, we’ll give our life.
Bat Masterson
November 18th, 2011
10:22 pm
the ones that helped max out his contract that he didn’t need and did’t get. lol
Oh, those gold gloves.
I guess the 200K per award guess was off base.