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CB
November 5th, 2011
4:53 pm
I really believe they are searching hard for other possibilities,nolie. I will be surprised if they resign him now.
wjones
November 5th, 2011
4:56 pm
“Random
November 5th, 2011
11:24 am
@wjones
AGonzalez is a free agent — Braves would not need to offer him arbitration, simply negotiate a mutually acceptable contract.
I’d guess 2 years for $3-4M total. That’s got my vote.”
He is a free agent, but he’s OUR free agent. By offering him arb, he can accept, and the Braves can sign him to a one-year contract, or he can decline and the Braves can get compensation for him. If he accepts, he’s thinking that there isn’t a lot out there and he’d better take guaranteed money. He would decline if he thinks he can get a multi-year deal somewhere. I’d say it’s a gamble worth taking for Braves. Right on the arb or non-tender for arb eligibles. I’d be surprised if Moylan were tendered a contract, since we won’t have his services all year. Who are the others—Prado, Jurrjens…who else? Is Hanson arb eligible yet? Oh yeah, Bourn. Maybe EOF? We don’t have many, IIRC.
cabravesfan
November 5th, 2011
4:57 pm
I’d actually be surprised if Boras allowed Bourn to sign without testing the market
Brave New World
November 5th, 2011
4:58 pm
Willingham strikes out a lot. He is not a player that can carry a team, so if we bring him on expecting 20-25 homers and 80 RBI’s with a .260 or average and hot and cold streaks then, fine. I’d like to see us sign Jimmy Rollins. He would have a bigger impact on improving our team. I have no interest in Reyes for many reasons, but Rollins will give us a great glove, a decent switch hitter and some needed veteran leadership (sorry, but Chipper is a future HOF’er who has never been a leader).
nolie
November 5th, 2011
4:58 pm
wouldn’t bother me at all, I have never been a real Bourn fan
nolie
November 5th, 2011
4:59 pm
No way they sign Rollins
nolie
November 5th, 2011
5:00 pm
maybe someone like Barmes for a coupla years
Brave New World
November 5th, 2011
5:01 pm
Bourn is a very good player, and I would like to see us sign him, but not if it means overpaying for him. With Boras as his agent we may see someone overpay. Bourn is a speedster and gold glover with almost no power. He might be worth $10 million per year, but not $15 million.
Brave New World
November 5th, 2011
5:02 pm
Nolie: I’d like to know your reasons why we would not sign Rollins.
ueeediot
November 5th, 2011
5:03 pm
Just read about the Phillies signing Jim Thome to a 1 year deal.
With exception of his last game in Cleveland where he made a symbolic start at 3B, Thome has not played defense in 4 seasons.
What does this say about the state of affairs with Ryan Howard that they would bring Thome in to cover….
DS1
November 5th, 2011
5:06 pm
Not to answer for nolie, but Rollin’s skills have been diminishing over the past 3 years. Plus for what he would cost over a guy like Gonzalez or Barmes, he is not worth the extra money. Not now anyway.
Plus, we have two pretty good SS’s that are in the pipeline, supposedly getting closer to being ready.
Brave New World
No way Bourn is worth 10 million per. Maybe 7-8.
ueeediot
November 5th, 2011
5:06 pm
@Brave new world…
The only reason we dont sign Rollins is money. I completely agree with you though. Rollins is one of those guys you make sure you extend an offer to and make sure your fans know you made a serious offer. Not like when the limp GM we have now watched Philly gather up quality pitchers without even trying to usurp them.
Same goes for trading players with perceived value for absolutely nothing.
BBraves
November 5th, 2011
5:07 pm
I like the idea of trading JJ just wish the Braves could hold onto Prado. Prado can play too many different positions hard to replace that. I liked the Uggla trade but Braves sure missed Infante last year.
nolie
November 5th, 2011
5:08 pm
too much money, too much time with Pastornicky about ready. I just don’t think they will do it under the circumstances.
Brave New World
November 5th, 2011
5:09 pm
DS1: Thanks for the response. I agree with you on Bourn’s worth, but something tells me Boras will get more from some team seeking a lead off hitter and Gold Glove CF.
Brave New World
November 5th, 2011
5:09 pm
Thanks Nolie!
Wink
November 5th, 2011
5:10 pm
@Around The Horn I totally agree with you. Wren should not make a trade just to make a trade to look good.
Francorer & Escobar had good seasons and would solve our need for a SS & LF. Also, in the recent World Series, the starting shortstops were Frucal & Elvis Andrus. Elvis, Salty (C), plus two other players were part of the trade for Texiera, who last part of one season before they let him go in trade. That’s why I was glad to see the trade with Bourne, where we know he would be part of the team in 2012.
I think we should just stand pat for 2012, keep & develop our young players and go shopping for NEED for the 2013 season. Give it one more year to observe our talent.
Let the young pitchers get more seasoning on the major league level, before we try to trade Jair or Hanson. Did both rebound from injury? Does Heyward fix the hole in his swing? Does Freeman avoid the sophmore jinx? Can the hitting coach change the culture & help struggling players? Is Gonzalez capable of being his own manager or a Bobby clone? Let Chipper have his Swan Song Tour? Is Bourne the true lead off hitter we been looking for? Can Constanza speed & ability to get infield hits help us produce more runs vs the big Power Hitting LF bat? Keeping in mind that a power hitter could give us the same numbers that Uggla did most of the season with a lot of SOLO HR’s vs RBI production. Does Uggla get a better start to his season? Can Prado improve his batting average? As stated above, if Uggla (30 HR) was in LF & Prada (13 HR) was at 2B, we would be happy with the power numbers of both players. If so, should we bring Gonzo back for one more season at SS? Liberty Media has already made a $10 million DOLLARS profit by getting rid of Lowe & Kawakami! In 2012 Chipper & the remaining Lowe salary come off the books to a tune of $26 million DOLLARS!
SO THEY SHOULD JUST STAND PAT FOR ONE MORE SEASON AND GO SHOPPING FOR 2013 AT THE END OF THE SEASON…PLAYOFFS OR NOT…$36 MILLION PLUS & TRADE ASSETS…TO LAND THE POSITION OF NEED FOR 2013.
CB
November 5th, 2011
5:10 pm
Rollins would never be identified as a team leader,benched before for not hustling and many in Philadelphia still believe he does not hustle. The team leader there is Chase Utley.
Brave New World
November 5th, 2011
5:11 pm
ueeediot: One more reason for signing Rollins is that it further weakens an already weakened Phillies offense.
Speedy
November 5th, 2011
5:13 pm
Not surprised by the lack of interest in Willingham. Wren has said multiple times that he wants this to be a more athletic team. If we’re already using Chipper, McCann, Freeman, Uggla, and Hinske, then Wren is looking for some speed in LF and at SS.
nolie
November 5th, 2011
5:13 pm
Just a thought, for his career Rollins is actually a bit below average hitter re OPS+ when you consider the park he plays in. Of course he does bring speed and excitement to the game.
ueeediot
November 5th, 2011
5:18 pm
@ BNW, that is an excellent point also.
Additionally, We need a SS to cover the decline @ 3B. (Does anyone seriously believe that a 39 year old 3B is going to get _better_?)
Michael
November 5th, 2011
5:22 pm
How about Jair Jurrjens and a lesser pitching prospect such as Todd Redmond to the Boston Red Sox for OF Josh Reddick and 3B Will Middlebrooks and then flip Martin Prado to the Yankees for SS Eduardo Nunez.
2012 Lineup:
-C: Brian McCann (28)
-1B: Freddie Freeman (22)
-2B: Dan Uggla (32)
-3B: Chipper Jones (40)
-SS: Eduardo Nunez (25)
-LF: Josh Reddick (25)
-CF: Michael Bourn (29)
-RF: Jason Heyward (22)
Bench:
-C: David Ross
-1B/OF: Eric Hinske
-OF: Jose Constanza
-IF/PH: Brooks Conrad
-OF: Matt Diaz
2013 Lineup:
-C: Brian McCann (29)
-1B: Freddie Freeman (23)
-2B: Dan Uggla (33)
-3B: Will Middlebrooks (24)
-SS: Eduardo Nunez (26)
-LF: Joey Terdoslavich (24)
-CF: Josh Reddick (26)
-RF: Jason Heyward (23)
Keylargo
November 5th, 2011
5:24 pm
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Skeezix
November 5th, 2011
5:25 pm
I don’t see Rollins coming to the Braves.
wjones
November 5th, 2011
5:27 pm
“Bench:
-C: David Ross
-1B/OF: Eric Hinske
-OF: Jose Constanza
-IF/PH: Brooks Conrad
-OF: Matt Diaz”
Michael, your bench needs a back-up shortstop. Unless you figure Nunez playing every inning of every game. Maybe you are counting on Conrad or Hinske playing ss?
Brave New World
November 5th, 2011
5:33 pm
ueeediot: Agree with you on Chipper. He had a better year in 2011 than I thought he would but I think 2012 will be his last year with the Braves. Chipper made the all star team this year because he was having a respectable year in a year when NL 3rd basemen were mostly having less-than-stellar years. Chipper will be a HOF’er but we will need a new 3rd baseman. I’m not sure Prado is the answer. I would love to see David Wright at the hot corner for us.
richbrave
November 5th, 2011
5:34 pm
FALL BALL
ARIZONA
SURPRISE SAGURROS
All-Star game tonight 8:10 p.m. This game may be telecast on MLBN, not sure.
MEXICO
Late game
NAVOJOA MAYANS
Lead-off CF MATT YOUNG [.283 BA] 1-5.
CB
November 5th, 2011
5:35 pm
Michael,good thought with the trade to Boston. They might not want to give up Middlebrooks though.
richbrave
November 5th, 2011
5:35 pm
Does anyone know if the AZL All-Star game will be telecast tonight?
nolie
November 5th, 2011
5:36 pm
Chipper will be back in 2013.
Efrim
November 5th, 2011
5:36 pm
saw your message last night. Doin pretty well, though I’ve been pulling about 100 hrs a week which can be pretty crazy!
Speaking of crazy, how’s all your stuff going. Hope you’re not stressing too much…
Steve, things are good. Wedding craziness, but we’re moving right along. Definitely less stressed and less anxiety – which is great. Hope all is going well with school and such.
CB
November 5th, 2011
5:38 pm
rich,will be on MLB Networ.k at 8:00
nolie
November 5th, 2011
5:39 pm
I never know whether to offer congratulations or condolences to friends who are getting married………..
richbrave
November 5th, 2011
5:40 pm
Michael:
There is a good chance that TYLER PASTORNICKY takes CONRAD’s slot. Unless he fizzles in ST, I think they hand him the job. They could sign ‘Jumpin’ Jack’ WILSON as back-up in that case for one year. provided no one else jumps on him in FA with a ridiculous contract of course.
nolie
November 5th, 2011
5:40 pm
BTW where has tiger been lately?
richbrave
November 5th, 2011
5:41 pm
Thanx CB, thought I read that. Things going smoothly I hope.
CB
November 5th, 2011
5:41 pm
Congratulations,nolie. They will have forgotten by the time they find out differently.
nolie
November 5th, 2011
5:42 pm
good point CB. but I don’t have the impression that you found out differently
VaBravesFan
November 5th, 2011
5:42 pm
Jurrjens for Cain plus 2 prospects.
richbrave
November 5th, 2011
5:42 pm
tiger297’s been on once that i know of in the past week. Didn’t he say something about being out on the road for awhile?
CB
November 5th, 2011
5:44 pm
Very well,rich. Hope all your family’s health is well,including yourself.I read where you were having problems.
nolie
November 5th, 2011
5:44 pm
might have said that while I was out rich. Don’t think I’ve seen him since I got back though i am not reading all the posts lately
CB
November 5th, 2011
5:47 pm
44 years and still going strong,nolie. Anybody say they are happier than me in their marriage I would just have to shake their hand and call them a liar under my breath.
VaBravesFan
November 5th, 2011
5:48 pm
If the Braves arnt interested in Cuddyer or Willingham there definitly has to be a few trade ideas brewing. You’d have to think alot of teams would be interested in JJ and Prado for sure.
Keylargo
November 5th, 2011
5:49 pm
richbrave – my MLB channell guide says “Taiwan All Star Game 4″.
CB
November 5th, 2011
5:51 pm
Keylargo,that is currently showing in our area.
Efrim
November 5th, 2011
5:54 pm
I never know whether to offer congratulations or condolences to friends who are getting married………..
Thanks, nolie! Yeah, probably a little of both.
Efrim
November 5th, 2011
5:59 pm
I’d certainly not trade Jurrjens or Prado for Cain alone, no way. But don’t dismiss Cain just because of age.
DOB, has there been any other prospects names that have come up? They have two that just finished up seasons in Low-A Kane County that are intriguing. 3B Cheslor Cuthbert and CF Brett Eibner. One or both plus Cain is a pretty decent haul for Jair, imo.
Steve from OH
November 5th, 2011
5:59 pm
Efrim–good to hear, man. Glad you’re doing well.
School’s going great, working my butt off but learning a ton and lovin’ it.
Ward
November 5th, 2011
6:04 pm
Hello everyone! May I ask why most poeple are complaining about trading J.J. He was a Failure to communicate in the Play-Offs too.Injury prone,and too if?Prado will just be average ,and that is that. I’ll welcome the trading of both,so we can get a bat with power.
Ward
November 5th, 2011
6:07 pm
I heard Cuddyer,and Beltran are of braves interest,and some thing like 2 to 3 years deals. That’s the latest rumor,and I could be happy with either one.
richbrave
November 5th, 2011
6:08 pm
Went to the RAPPAHANNOCK OYSTER FESTIVAL today and had three dozen of the beauties. I’m rarin’ for action now.
If any of you want some contact
RAPPAHANNOCK RIVER OYSTERS, LLC
P.O. BOX 88
TOPPING, VIRGINIA 23169.
(804) 204-1709
Look them up on line, and no cracks about the mountain variety.
Ward
November 5th, 2011
6:08 pm
I like the idea of trading Prado,and J.J. for prospects. I heard nothing on the Royals,and they are on hold…..
Efrim
November 5th, 2011
6:08 pm
So far, Braves aren’t among 10 or so teams that have called to express interest in Willingham, an Alabama native (Florence) who’s made it known he’d like to play for ATL.
With ten teams interested, A’s will definitely offer arbitration. Although, no one really knows if the compensation rules will even be in play this offseason.
I might be wrong but there seems to be less talk right now about extending Bourn.
Yup, the fact that they are looking for outfielders, and perhaps one that plays center field, makes me think that they know Bourn’s price is higher than they’d like to deal with.
richbrave
November 5th, 2011
6:11 pm
B
November 5th, 2011
5:44 pm
Very well,rich. Hope all your family’s health is well,including yourself.I read where you were having problems.
Nothing right now I can’t handle, but thanx. Somethin’s gonna’ get me one day, so I just keep looking ahead and keep swimming upstream.
CB
November 5th, 2011
6:13 pm
Scott Boras is a salesman,isn’t he? Says Willie Bloomquist is drawing “lots of interest”. Right.
Ward
November 5th, 2011
6:13 pm
Ttrue on Bourn,but Wren doesn’t have to do talks until after All Star Break.He has plenty of time to do that.
richbrave
November 5th, 2011
6:14 pm
BOURNE didn’t seem overly excited about extending either from one account I read. Probably just my take though.
KEY LARGO:
TAIWAN’s ALL-STAR game? maybe I misunderstood then.
Ward
November 5th, 2011
6:15 pm
Wren, will find a way to sign Bourn,and ” IF” I’m wrong you can rename me to simpleton.
CB
November 5th, 2011
6:18 pm
rich, just turn the TV on at 8:00. Taiwan game is on now.
Efrim
November 5th, 2011
6:22 pm
Steve, good to hear that man. Learning in school and enjoying the content! What a concept.
Ward
November 5th, 2011
6:23 pm
Why would the Braves go through all that trouble to get Bourne?That’s why I think Wren is clearing money room. If you want Bourne? You will have to lose somebody? would want Bourne.
Ward
November 5th, 2011
6:24 pm
menat to say, I would want Bourne,and build the out field around him.
Ward
November 5th, 2011
6:26 pm
Well, I’ll talk later ,and peace……..Just let Wren do his job…….
Efrim
November 5th, 2011
6:29 pm
And I like Josh Willingham, but a three year deal for him is a little much to me.
JoeBrave
November 5th, 2011
6:37 pm
Evenin folks, How are everyone? Ward, Efrim,Steve… glad to see some sanity here today. Wow, can’t believe the loons here yesterday.
Hope NMS was paid well to trot that JV team out against Ga.
All things Braves, whew, all quiet for now…Wren does a good job, and the Braves are really fortunate they have him, instead of some clown like Minaya. Be thankful…..
IVAN ...
November 5th, 2011
6:39 pm
Damn, richbrave, I would give my right arm for 3 dozen on the half shell..
Born and raised in Tidewater area………
JoeBrave
November 5th, 2011
6:41 pm
oops! spoke too soon on sanity, did I really read a suggestion to trade Prado for Francouer? I just puked in my own mouth!
JoeBrave
November 5th, 2011
6:43 pm
Ward, I agree with you on Bourne, probably 4@8.5 with an option
JoeBrave
November 5th, 2011
7:09 pm
could the Braves be looking at Reid Brignac, and possibly Wade Davis for Prado?
Ward
November 5th, 2011
7:33 pm
Heard last night,and today the Tigers could be interested in Prado?
Efrim
November 5th, 2011
7:36 pm
could the Braves be looking at Reid Brignac, and possibly Wade Davis for Prado?
Davis makes the following: 12:$1.5M, 13:$2.8M, 14:$4.8M, 15:$7M club option, 16:$8M club option, 17:$10M club option ($2.5M buyout)
I’m not sure why they would trade him for Prado. Also, seems a little weird that the Braves would add a pitcher.
Ward
November 5th, 2011
7:36 pm
Danny Worthor, a Ryan Rayborn were mentioned,and Their Gm could be interestes in trading others?Another rumor….
Ward
November 5th, 2011
7:37 pm
Just read that Tigers Gm might be willing to do a trade for Prado,because they need a lead off guy?
Blog Monitor
November 5th, 2011
7:39 pm
ward is like the whack-a-mole, just pops up out of the blue periodically, then, peace out…
Ward
November 5th, 2011
7:42 pm
That is true my friend…….You could call me the pop up man………
jeffrey d
November 5th, 2011
7:42 pm
Heard last night,and today the Tigers could be interested in Prado?
What would LSU do with him?
cabravesfan
November 5th, 2011
7:44 pm
What would LSU do with him?
Teach him how to run the Triple Option
cabravesfan
November 5th, 2011
7:47 pm
If ucla ends up playing in the Pac-12 title game, I think I will vomit
Ward
November 5th, 2011
7:47 pm
Got to watch the Irish. Talk later,and peace out……….
Efrim
November 5th, 2011
7:48 pm
Just read that Tigers Gm might be willing to do a trade for Prado,because they need a lead off guy? – Ward
Where did you read that? Link it.
detroitchris
November 5th, 2011
7:48 pm
Tigers have nothing at the major league level the braves would want… and honestly not much in the minor leagues either. They have no OF prospects… maybe 3B Nick Castellanos for Prado?
cabravesfan
November 5th, 2011
7:50 pm
Don’t think the Braves would be looking for a 3rd base prospect for Prado- we’ve got a few in the system.
Blog Monitor
November 5th, 2011
7:52 pm
then, with that familiar refrain, he is gone, a voice in the distance, receding, gone, just a distant memory…
ward…
Bill
November 5th, 2011
7:52 pm
Insider said 3 or 4 teams interested in Prado to play 2nd base..
VaBravesFan
November 5th, 2011
7:53 pm
I’ve seen nothing about the Tigers being interested in Prado and havent seen anything about Beltran and Cuddyer.
Lee in S GA
November 5th, 2011
7:54 pm
Just read about the Phillies signing Jim Thome to a 1 year deal.
With exception of his last game in Cleveland where he made a symbolic start at 3B, Thome has not played defense in 4 seasons.
What does this say about the state of affairs with Ryan Howard that they would bring Thome in to cover….
————————————————-
it says they can’t afford that (what’s his name – 1st baseman) for the W.S. champs
Bill
November 5th, 2011
7:55 pm
richbrave, does it take Oysters to get you rarin’ for action…..
detroitchris
November 5th, 2011
7:56 pm
Just speculating that Tigers would want him.
http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2011/11/if_braves_martin_prado_is_avai.html
VaBravesFan
November 5th, 2011
7:56 pm
Thome will mainly be a pinch hitter. Maybe a handful of starts at 1st, but I doubt it.
Efrim
November 5th, 2011
8:04 pm
maybe 3B Nick Castellanos for Prado?
Maybeee. I’m just not sure they’d give him up for Prado. But they have little else to offer.
Bill
November 5th, 2011
8:06 pm
Rollins, Willingham and Beltran are to high for Braves..tradesrumors said Josh wanted 3 yrs contract at 10 million a year.He’s also slow and not go fielder.
Bourne, I like his desire..he was pissed when they blew it..he was mad and I like that about a player..he wants to win..hope they sign him 3 more years. Lead-off 300 hitter 50 SB..what more u want?
I would rather have Clint Barmas are Carroll than ALex back at SS…both affordable.
Trey
November 5th, 2011
8:06 pm
The Braves may as well just clean house and go into rebuilding mode. It seems like that’s what they want, just so they can save money. Possibly getting rid of Prado and/or Jurrjens for some below average to average Joe from the Royals.
jeffrey d
November 5th, 2011
8:09 pm
Geeze Trey…at least make it until Christmas before you write the team off.
Bill
November 5th, 2011
8:11 pm
Trey, Wren is after more speed and 8 good hitter instead of 4..stop waiting on 3 run homer and produce some runs..I like that..let just see what happens.
Trey
November 5th, 2011
8:12 pm
I’m not writing them off, yet, Jeffrey.
JoeBrave
November 5th, 2011
8:17 pm
Interest in Davis may stem from dealing JJ, which will happen, and Hanson possibly a no go until June.
that 180+ innings may look better than JJ’s 152 ip. Tampa is rumored to be interested in trading either Niemann, or Davis, and Brignac is nor would not block everyone’s next greatest prospect Pastorstinky.
JoeBrave
November 5th, 2011
8:18 pm
Salary matches better with Davis or Niemann than JJ as well over the long haul
Trey
November 5th, 2011
8:20 pm
Yeah, I’m waiting, Bill. Hopefully we don’t settle for anything less than Jurrjen’s and Prado are worth if they end up getting traded.