12:10 am November 1, 2011, by David O'Brien
November 1st, 201111:09 am
(you should have been fired over a year ago for the Lowe, KK, McOut disasters).
Yeah! Forget about getting us Jurrjens, Uggla, Vizcaino, EOF, and keeping our farm system strong…the bum should be gone!
Sharpen your pitchforks everybody!!
McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!
Just happy to see you back at the ol’ stand again!
November 1st, 201111:10 am
MLB.com Cardinals catcher Yadier Molina…[is] going for [his] fourth straight Gold Glove Awards…Molina is challenged by Atlanta’s Brian McCann and Philadelphia’s Carlos Ruiz
Eat your hearts out.
November 1st, 201111:12 am
Thanx McF. Brian is at least an average defensive catcher. Not the worst in baseball as Joe Brave said.
November 1st, 201111:13 am
Time for a nap. Getting waited on hand and foot and all covered by my insurance, living the good life
November 1st, 201111:14 am
Does a great impression of a fence post,
Always a chance that he can quicken his first step, as his body matures. He’s so gangly now that it’s harder for him to get moving in the right direction.
There are some drills he can use to get better at that, too, but I don’t think we’re ever going to consider him “graceful” with his footwork.
Brian is at least an average defensive catcher. Not the worst in baseball as Joe Brave said.
True that. Only made 5 errors this year, too. I don’t think he should get the GG this year, but it’s cool to see his name in the running, anyway. He showed improvements again until he got hurt.
November 1st, 201111:15 am
Getting waited on hand and foot and all covered by my insurance, living the good life
So, I don’t need to go ahead with that trust fund I was putting together to take care of you in your twilight years?
November 1st, 201111:16 am
Welcome back, sir. Put that rough patch behind you, and savor all the goings on that are the BRAVES 2012 edition.
November 1st, 201111:17 am
2012 will be a good year regardless of how the season turns out. My reasons…
1. The Braves have a deep roster and possibly the most talented pitching staff in all of baseball. If key injuries stay away and players that tanked in 2011 preform closer to their potential, then the Braves will not be a marginal 90-win team fighting for a wild card spot, but instead should be a 95+ win team that can challenge the Phils for the division.
2. If injuries happen and players continue to under-perform and the Braves are not in contention at the trade deadline, then they have some of the best trade bait in baseball. With top tier pitchers like Jurrjens and Hudson and a hall of fame switch hitter any AL team would love to have as a DH for the stretch run, if things go bad this year, they should be able to stock up with some serious talent by dealing those guys and be ready to dominate the division from 2013 and beyond.
Bottom line, it’s good to be a Braves fan (excluding this past September of course).
November 1st, 201111:18 am
yeah, a little bit of hyperbole thar scoots. I don’t care about graceful but it would be nice if he could quicken that first step and get some more range. We’ll see.
November 1st, 201111:19 am
An addition of Zobrist would bring a lot of flexibility to our line up. He’s signed through 2013 with club options for 14 and 15 which are very reasonable.
November 1st, 201111:20 am
he could also serve as a SS option as well.
November 1st, 201111:22 am
AT,is Zobrist your new Lance Berkman? Would be a great addition to team.
November 1st, 201111:24 am
you can continue with the trust fund scoots, the insurance won’t cover everything forever…and I could use a new wide screen
P-Town Brave ©
(no offense) Only in his mind is BMac challenging Yadi for a Gold Glove award….
Yadi would win that one going away….
November 1st, 201111:25 am
I cant see any reason for TB to give up Zobrist….
That said, I’d love to have him….he’s from Central IL
November 1st, 201111:26 am
GREAT NOLIE IS BACK, Hope you are feeling much better my friend.
The Rays don’t pony up long term contracts to players very often, so I would assume Zobrist is almost as untouchable as Longoria.
November 1st, 201111:27 am
agree P-TB..Yadi going away..
love mac but his D is going south~~
Welcome back, buddy! Glad you are feeling better
November 1st, 201111:28 am
Nick N Richmond
November 1st, 2011
I wouldn’t be the least surprised to see McLouth end up in KC. Seems that Dayton Moore loves to pick up the Braves OF scrap and turn it into something of value.
You are referencing CABRERA of course.
Well I say double down on this for both – good riddance to bad rubbish.
Having said that, I hope he regains his all-star form now, wherever he lands. Unlike the MILK-man who was obviously dogging his play-stay here as badly as ‘Loaf’ ANDERSON, I saw NATE-dog at least trying hard to overcome his ailments and play well. He may not have it anymore as a ML’er, but I certainly don’t wish him any ill-will. Just glad he’s gone form here. ANDERSON was obviously over-the-hill, but CABRERA may burn in hell based on his BRAVES tenure as far as I’m concerned.
November 1st, 201111:29 am
When do Gold Gloves get announced?
November 1st, 201111:30 am
Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap!
November 1st, 201111:31 am
Besides the obvious needs.
What do you think the Braves will do with the bullpen? They definately need another solid reliever to be able to keep O’Ventbrel rested. And the Braves so desperately lacked a bridge to them since hardly any starter not named Hudson could make it past the 6th inning last year.
What are your thoughts and prediction?
November 1st, 201111:32 am
It’ wasn’t the same around here without ya!
You’d have to have something the Rays coveted for them to let go of Zobrist. IMHO. McCann? (not that I would do that deal……..)
Good to see you back, nolie. Hope you get back to full strength quickly.
nolie, all kidding aside, good to see you’re feeling better, my man. Now, go get a nap!
CB, possibly.. but I was really just thinking who might fit our needs best for next season. I do know how hard it is to work with TB to maneuver a trade but I guess anything is possible if we’re willing to give up what they are asking. I do think he’d be a great addition to the lineup though.
November 1st, 201111:33 am
I havent seen T for in about a week or so. Hope he is just taking a vacation.
I’m hopeful regarding 2012, but I really think 2013 will be the BRAVES true coming out party, and that they will shine.
November 1st, 201111:34 am
DS1, maybe not willing to move McCann but willing to include Bethancourt in some type of trade though.
November 1st, 201111:35 am
I like Dave Cameron, for the most part, but he, as do many of the writers at Fangraphs, tends to in-a-vacuum perspectives.
So true. Happens far too often there. And I know they are writing about other teams and perhaps not their own favorite(Mariners for Dave), but digging a bit deeper requires them to look at all of the avenues – and he didn’t there.
People are talking about 10-12 M in hand for the Braves. I happen to think Wren will spend about 6-7M of those, put the rest in the bank and call it a payroll hike.
Hey,just about everybody on the blog loves nolie.Deserves some time with great health,
November 1st, 201111:36 am
Chipper is a Redneck
November 1st, 2011
Terrible trade, terrible song.
Get rid of Chipper and maybe I’ll watch a few games next year. Classless redneck thug who called the fans “idiots.” You are the idiot, Chipper. Loser.
I would like to know just when CHIPPER called the fans idiots, even if some of them are.
Patrick, I think we have bullpen solutions inhouse a plenty.
maybe not willing to move McCann but willing to include Bethancourt in some type of trade though.
Actually if you read the late night posts, you would realize that Mac isnt that great. Doubt TB would even want him.
November 1st, 201111:37 am
Actually, it’s probably going to be an ongoing thing with replacing existing players for the Braves.
I’d not write off 2012 just yet. Besides, in 2013 there’s a good chance we will be figgering out what to do with replacing Chipper in the lineup. No doubt that when he is playing well, we are a LOT better team. Of course if Prado and Heyward pick it up, it’ll be easier.
November 1st, 201111:38 am
P-T, don’t know if they would be willing to listen but I’d have to take a shot at least.
Snotboogie, feeling brave this morning are ya?
November 1st, 201111:39 am
So you’d consider $6 mill or so a “slight” increase in payroll, huh? That’d be about 15 percent, Efrim. Not a “slight” increase
how in the world is 6 million 15% of 90 some million? that is not even close to right. It is about 1/15th not 15%
Hah! nolie is back! And clearly sharper than DOB and myself. 6 million of 90 is 6.6% then, I believe. Which I would consider a “slight” increase.
November 1st, 201111:40 am
Good to see that Nolie is back. Stay healthy.
Just trying to think outside the box. What does Tampa Bay REALLY need that we could help them with? And would losing Zobrist hurt them more than it would help them? I suspect they love him for his versatility too!
November 1st, 201111:41 am
The Marlins are increasing payroll by 27 million this season.
November 1st, 201111:42 am
but willing to include Bethancourt in some type of trade though.
I’d be reluctant to do that. Catcher prospects with any kind of upside are rare enough. He’s not pushing McCann, and there’s plenty of time to decide if the kid has a future in the org.
He’s finally showing some signs of getting his head out of his butt, too, which would make me even more reticent to deal him.
November 1st, 201111:43 am
I’ll be okay, AT. I was on the defense team.
November 1st, 201111:45 am
Frank won’t deal Bethancourt.
I appreciate that he is a prospect hugger (like me).
November 1st, 201111:46 am
The team has roughly $12M-$15M to work with. Wren has suggested a corner outfielder will be the target.
You’re probably right TenneseePaul, but as Snotboogie said, I bet they don’t spend all of it this offseason. Probably going to save a bit for mid-season acquisitions as they seem to always do.
Have a good rest nolie!
(OK Frank, get that SS position figgered out today, OK!)
I sure don’t come on here often in the off-season but today is a good day.
First off, I am one that didn’t mind Lowe over the 3 years. We were an injured mess and he came in to work innings……that he did. Didn’t always show up in long starts deep into games, or even all that productive from an ERA perspective but it did turn around the rotation.
Now we are young and have some serious arms ready to do battle. Each of them know at the tail end of the rotation, the next young arm is waiting to take their spot.
Fairly solid line-up going into next season. I’m half assuming that Prado could be traded for an outfield bat or SS. Although I always question, he’s played 2nd and 3rd very well………would he be better off at SS if we can’t find one?
Let Agon walk, Prado takes over…….money spent on a heavy hitting out-fielder. Or do we keep Prado around just to give Chipper his 50 or so rest/injury games?
I’ll be interesting to see but it’s a nice position to be in…….lots of youth, some money to spend and hopefully buying some power.
November 1st, 201111:47 am
I see Brain McCann as someone who is most likely to follow in Chipper’s path. I think there is a high chance of him being in Atlanta his whole career. Bethancourt will be Ross’s replacement. Have a year or 2 as McCann’s backup. If teams think he can be a starter for them they’ll call.
November 1st, 201111:49 am
Best wishes for a full recovery, Nolie……..
nolie, glad to see you back and feeling better!
November 1st, 201111:50 am
Prado isnt a option at Shortstop. I also see the Braves having a hard time paying him around 6 mil to be a utility guy and backup 3rd baseman.
November 1st, 201111:52 am
I bet Wren would try and keep Pastornicky, Simmons, Salcedo and Bethancourt out of any trade. Them and the Latin Trio in terms of prospects he’d like to keep.
What can we get for Zeke, Gilmartin, Cunningham, Terdo, and/or Mycal Jones?
November 1st, 201111:58 am
Bethancourt stays, I believe. Catchers take a lot of wear and tear. McCann is 28 next season (no, not old), but he has had some injuries, and moving into his 30s, it’s hard to say if McCann is an everyday catcher or would be better off sharing duties.
November 1st, 201111:59 am
VaBravesFan, that’s why I wouldn’t have a problem trading Prado in some type of package if we could get a good productive outfielder in return.
November 1st, 201112:01 pm
What can we get for Zeke,
Spruill will not be traded.
November 1st, 201112:02 pm
I see that Joey Votto, Gaby Sanchez and James Loney are the three nominations for Gold Glove among NL first baseman…..Crickets for Freeman. That’s a shame.
Gonzalez is one of three finalists at shortstop (Troy Tulowitzki and Ronny Cedeno the other two) and McCann is a finalist at catcher along with Yadier Molina and Carlos Ruiz…..They’ll be airing an hour long show on ESPN2 tonight, starting at 10 to unveil winners.
I don’t trade car often but I try to trade before they lose all there value. Mr Wren should do the same with Prado and McCann and anyone else–smart to deal from point of value than nothing to deal with.
November 1st, 201112:04 pm
scoots, just had to use him as an example. Of course, I made sure he was first….
November 1st, 201112:06 pm
Thanks carroll for up date..
Leaving FF off is BS..damn joke!
November 1st, 201112:09 pm
Efrim, it’s just me, LOL. Every so often, there’s a kid in the minors for whom I have an irrational exuberance. No rhyme or reason to it. I was like that about Kala Ka’aihue. Knew that kid was unlikely to ever be a big leaguer, but I loved watching him hit.
Zeke just pitches. Nothing fancy, no jaw-dropping stuff, almost zero “wow” factor. But I’m crazy about the guy, go figure.
November 1st, 201112:10 pm
They’ll be airing an hour long show on ESPN2 tonight, starting at 10 to unveil winners.
Why do they need an hour for that? They can shoe-horn it into 1 2-minute segment on SC and then spend the rest of the time building up to next week’s MNF. You can never have too much of Berman.
November 1st, 201112:14 pm
I beg to differ….
Yes….um…yes, yes, YES you CAN have too much of Berman.
November 1st, 201112:15 pm
Ok..Joey,Troy and Yadier
November 1st, 201112:16 pm
Freeman deserved Golden Glove consideration.
Schultz believes the Braves are not going to make another significant roster move during the off season. However, I agree with your comments that the Braves have to get serious about signing a free agent to left field. What’s your impression on this? Do you think the Braves are going to make this a priority this off season?
November 1st, 201112:18 pm
Come on, man.
snotboogie i have the same question…
November 1st, 201112:19 pm
scoots, he’s good depth and probably has 5th starter ceiling. But that’s what they said about Beachy, so you never know..
I love McCann, but he’s no Gold Glover back there, unless that includes calling the game as well.
Are there any positions that McCann could move to at some point in the future? And BTW – Braves should look to extend McCann now, not next winter.
November 1st, 201112:24 pm
Interesting way of doing a list. How are Madson, K-Rod and Heath Bell not considered solid regulars? K-Rod had a bounce back year and looked as good as he’s been in years, in my opinion.
November 1st, 201112:28 pm
Are there any positions that McCann could move to at some point in the future?
McCann at 1B would probably make Freeman look like Mark Grace, and I’m trying not to envision the guy tracking fly balls to the corner in LF, LOL.
I love the guy, but he’s a catcher. And a good one. Don’t know why folks want him to move, especially since his bat wouldn’t profile as well at some other position. Much of his offensive value comes from being so much better than his position peers, but, put him at at 1B or the OF, and he kinda drops off in relative value.
November 1st, 201112:31 pm
I love McCann’s bat more than his defensive skills, though I’m quite satisfied with McCann as the Braves’ backstop.
November 1st, 201112:32 pm
Any Berman is too much Berman
November 1st, 201112:34 pm
Much of his offensive value comes from being so much better than his position peers, but, put him at at 1B or the OF, and he kinda drops off in relative value.
Who cares about positional value, projection and whether or not there is a difference between mid-rotation and #1 starter potential? I mean, it’s all just something we make up to have these long conversations, right?
November 1st, 201112:35 pm
I used to love watching Ryan Klesko in LF, McCann might make him look good.
November 1st, 201112:36 pm
While I can’t see BMac providing any value elsewhere, it would have to be considered if Bethancourt proves as good as labeled defensively….
That said, I am not sure he could track balls, but if the Cards can win a World Series with an OF that included both Holliday and Berkman, the Braves could stick McCann out there….
IF Bethancourt is great with the glove, arm, and calling abilities, and the Braves want to keep BMac, they’d figure something out.
November 1st, 201112:37 pm
You mean Ryan “I slide for everything” Klesko?
November 1st, 201112:40 pm
love McCann’s bat more than his defensive skills, though I’m quite satisfied with McCann as the Braves’ backstop.
Did you know that Yogi Berra had much the same rap when he came up? Luckily, he had Bill Dickey to show him the way defensively, and became a pretty polished receiver.
Imagine what it was like to handle the plate following Bill Dickey, fercrissake. Any human was going to be thought the lesser catcher, LOL.
Showing your age Scoots….showing your age
November 1st, 201112:47 pm
I respectfully disagree with you about the bullpen.
The Braves need another vet in there and one better than Linebrink.
Vizicano isn’t going to be available, he’ll be back in the minors
Gerrin is not the answer, he showed flashes but lacked consistency and also proved to be nothing more than a specialist.
Vavaro, has 1 pitch-fastball, which I seem to remember him throwing to John Buck in Florida that still hasn’t landed yet and could have changed the entire season for the Braves
Moylan is gone
Martinez is long relief and inconsistent as well
Linkbring is bad and gone
Sherrill is only a specialist and will probably be gone.
So, I do think that the Braves need another bullpen arm with some experience and something left in the tank
November 1st, 201112:49 pm
For the record, I was being completely sarcastic regarding the Berman thing. Thought it would be obvious. The only guys I like in the MNF crew is Tirico.Solid.
November 1st, 201112:51 pm
P-Town Brave Only in his mind is BMac challenging Yadi for a Gold Glove award….
No, not in his mind…he doesn’t really think of himself like that…
November 1st, 201112:52 pm
It’s not that I want to move McCann, just thinking if we need to make space for Betancourt (sp?) at some point. But those “problems” usually take care of themselves by trade or injuries or something.
And yeah, I do not see McCann in OF, at all!
November 1st, 201112:55 pm
Only in his mind is BMac challenging Yadi for a Gold Glove award
McRib… donuts… Big Mac… candy corn… gold glove… Slim Jim… hot fudge sundae… caught stealing… ding dongs… passed balls… Butterball… stuffing…
November 1st, 201112:56 pm
The problem is that a middle reliever as good as you want isn’t going to be throwing middle relief; he’ll find a team that will give him more high-leverage innings.
Face it, middle relief is always going to have some amount of suckage, because it’s almost the definition of the role. Martinez and Varvaro are probably as good, talent-wise, as some $3MM vet you could pick up. Which is to say, not all that good, but better than nothing, LOL.
I like that Medlen is available again to maybe pick up a few of those 7th innings, and provide an opportunity to mix-and-match those three guys at the end, a little. That might be all that’s needed, if the team can find a way to not play so many tight games next year.
Any one else think that the Braves should get another proven arm in the rotation? I just do not see Hanson and/or JJ having a complete 200 inning season.
SB, you know sarcasm does not work too well here. Stick to the facts,man.
Dave, you probably have the inside scoop, but I am hoping the Braves are hinting at this being the only big omve so that they can get more for other players.
In particular, they need to seek out a trade to move one more pitcher and the most likely candidate would be jurrgens given he is closer to Free Agency than the others and he has Scott boras as his agent. He made $3.25 million last year and will likely be closer to $5 this year.
If you move Jurrgens you still have a solid, but young, rotation.
This would still leave Delgado, Teheran, and Gilmartin in the minors and one could still say we have a slew of pitchers.
LF – Jurrgens and Prado for a true LF is a great idea. Or maybe save Prado as a utility guy and move Jurrgens and another young pitcher.
SS – I would still love to get a speedy SS in here, but the market is slim and we won’t be willing to give a long term contract to Reyes or Rollins due to injury history and the fact we have a couple of young players getting closer. Maybe sign Furcal for two years?
The thing Wren has got to start thinking about. If you invest nearly all of your draft picks into pitching, then you cannot spend big money on pitching. You have to be willing to ship them out when they get near the big free agent contracts. You have to do this because you must keep spending on pitching down since you rarely have a true major-leaguer coming thru as a position player. If your one of the top 3-4 spedning teams maybe not, but the Braves don’t have that luxury. In other words, its time to start offloading pitching for players and we need to continue to spend the money we clear (like $4 million for trading Jurrgens and putting in minimum guys like Teheran), for positions players.
Sadly, the market is not a good one for decent aged OF’s so its a bad year to be looking. Last year would have been a better year.
And yes .. we need to lock Bourn up if possible. He and Constanza brought more excitement to this offense and the fan base than I have seen in YEARS at the Ted. If the Braves want more money, put more excitign players on the field. Fans will come. TV audiences will grow leading to a bigger contract. Corporations will even start coming back. Put simply, pitching may keep you in many games, but offense brings in the money.
November 1st, 201112:58 pm
scoots,the best reliever we could get would be more runs.
It’s not that I want to move McCann, just thinking if we need to make space for Betancourt (sp?) at some point.
The trick there, then, is to give the kid some reps at 1B or the OF, not McCann. He’s probably athletic enough to do that without killing you. You can always work him in to catching some games while keeping McCann as your every-day.
November 1st, 20111:01 pm
the best reliever we could get would be more runs.
No argument from me on that, CB. A few late four-run leads would be just the ticket.
November 1st, 20111:04 pm
True, CB. I never seem to learn.
Why worry about McCann beyond 2012? Time will take care of things. If it turns out that Brian can’t handle the catching chores down the road, he’ll probably end up as a DH somewhere.
We’ve got a long time until we have to worry about McCann.
November 1st, 20111:05 pm
Only in his mind is BMac challenging Yadi for a Gold Glove award….
Mac has better defensive numbers than Yadier Molina in the following catagories:
Molina leads in:
Passed balls (7 for Mac, 6 for Molina)
Wild pitches (44 for Mac, 35 for Molina)
They are tied for number of errors
November 1st, 20111:10 pm
Is that CS total or CS % ?
There is a rather LARGE difference between the two.
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