12:10 am November 1, 2011, by David O'Brien
November 2nd, 20114:24 pm
raleighbraves – Not seeing it? If you mean a baseball field, neither is Derosa.
November 2nd, 20114:25 pm
It’s the “new” math………..
wow there are some totally ignorant folks going on at length today just proving how little they know it seems. where did they all come from, I recognize no names. Dentz on a multi-personality gig again?
November 2nd, 20114:27 pm
Probably still be writing such a thing when Vizcaino throws 200 IP. Best ignored, or, at least, dismissed.
Agreed. He probably heard it from one scout or one Braves person and is running with it.
I think he will do better lower in the lineup.
Prado is still the best-qualified 2-hole hitter in this lineup, as it is now projected. Moving him lower only makes sense if somebody shows they can hit 3 and Chipper decides he doesn’t mind hitting 2.
Monger – There is so much wrong with your post, it’s hard to begin…but…We didn’t pay McLouth $10mil last year, we won’t pay him $10mil this year, but we did pay him $1.25 mil this year, which comes out of 2012 budget. We ARE responsible for paying Bourn whatever he gets after arbitration/negotiations, so the McL buyout, and the Bourne Salary will likely be more than what we paid for CF last year.
Enter your comments here
November 2nd, 20114:28 pm
MLBTR is predicting Oswalt at 1yr-10 million.
November 2nd, 20114:29 pm
some better Soph. Thanx for askin’, though some of what I’m readin’ here might cause a relapse
November 2nd, 20114:30 pm
Monger – There is so much wrong with your post, it’s hard to begin….raleigh
CB, no I wouldn’t go that much.
Prado is gonna get 4.4 million in arbitration?? After the miserable excuse of a season he just had?? Really???
Secondly, in adding in all these arbitration increases and contract raises for some guys, you are forgetting to rid yourself of alot of salary room.
The Mongrel, yes, I think Prado is getting a 1.3 million increase. And it’s the money that is guaranteed for 2012, not what is coming off of the books for 2011. Never look at it like that.
November 2nd, 20114:31 pm
Vazquez might have had a great year for us (even though in reality, he sucked for the Yankees), and I mught win the lottery tonight.
None of that negates the fact that it turned out to be a great trade.
Cubs manager post is free but the Cards are the one interviewing Sandberg. Hmmm.
If Prado does return to his norms, I can see him being a good 3 slot hitter. And Freeman did well there for a short while last year.
Utlimately, if Heyward gets his game back together, he’s the eventual 3 hitter.
Mac seems to be more suited for 5 or 6 (truthfully, not trying to suck up to McFann). Especially since he misses 1 game per week.
Ultimately, with this team, the lineup is going to be very fluid next season.
November 2nd, 20114:32 pm
I’m pretty fearful for our rotation next season.. 4 or the 5 spots are pretty questionable and/or unproven.
Theo has said he wants someone with major league coaching or managerial experience
November 2nd, 20114:33 pm
I will be sooooooooooooo surprised if the Braves show any real interest in a starting pitcher.
maybe ten mil including possible bonuses for time played
Moving him lower only makes sense if somebody shows they can hit 3 and Chipper decides he doesn’t mind hitting 2.
I hope Chipper wants to hit 2. I think he’s our best option, and a lineup of Bourn, Jones, McCann, Uggla, Freeman, Prado, Heyward, SS is the most “optimal” run scoring lineup.
AT – I’m not saying Oswalt couldn’t potentially be an asset, I’m just saying that’s not how I would spend our limited resources. BTW, what would you be willing to spend?
November 2nd, 20114:34 pm
Wayne, geez, I hope not, LOL. I’d kinda like to see everybody banging and thumping to a reasonable degree of potential, so that Fredo doesn’t start drawing lineups out of a hat again.
November 2nd, 20114:35 pm
me too, extremely surprised unless it is involved in a mega-deal that also brought an OFer. which would also surprise me
Transplant – No money, lots of young p[itching and the need for a shortstop, bench players and corner outfielder.
Not seeing the acquisition of veteran pitching in the equation, much less a pitcher who will get around $10 mil.
I read about that. Just thought it’d give him a lot of incentive to stick it to the Cubs if he gets the StL job.
November 2nd, 20114:36 pm
AT – I totally understand your concern, but I believe both JJ and Hanson will be back. It seems we don’t need to start panicing unless ST goes badly.
November 2nd, 20114:37 pm
I think I can say with confidence that Oswalt will NOT pitch for the Braves in 2012.
Nothing in life is a certainty. But when you have such a stable of talented young pitchers, sometimes you just gotta roll the dice and see where they take you.
Medlen is the wild card………. in case one or both of Hanson/Jurrjens goes down for an extended time.
the most “optimal” run scoring lineup.
Far be it from me to envision a sub-optimal lineup, LOL. Heyward raking at 3 would be about as optimal as I could imagine, though.
November 2nd, 20114:38 pm
Chipper almost led the team in OPS last year, why does everybody want him hitting second? Did y’all succumb to Shaun’s line-up reasoning on the best hitter at second?
November 2nd, 20114:39 pm
At this point, I just can’t see pitching as a major concern for this team…at any rate, I’m outta here.
November 2nd, 20114:40 pm
With Chipper’s age and McCann’s position (1 rest day per week) it almost makes it imperative to have a fluid lineup.
And we all know that Fredo is not tied to convention as strongly as BC was.
Did y’all succumb to Shaun’s line-up reasoning on the best hitter at second?
Are you deliberately trying to insult me, or are you just fooling around?
nolie – I thought Shaun wanted Heyward batting second…at least until he didn’t.
believing in an “optimal” lineup is pretty naive IMO
November 2nd, 20114:41 pm
That’s one way of putting it, yes.
nolie,we have more than one Shaun on here. Just only one crazy one.
Apparently Theo personally called him to explain the situation, which is kinda nice. But I can’t really blame Theo for wanting someone with some experience, no matter what their ties are to the Cubs
that was because he claimed Jason was the best hitter on the team, which did not prove out, at least this season.
November 2nd, 20114:42 pm
The Shaun affect is very strong on the blog………..
And to be honest, I am buying it to a lesser degree.
I might go so far as to call such a belief “sub-optimal”, LOL.
November 2nd, 20114:43 pm
But I can’t really blame Theo for wanting someone with some experience, no matter what their ties are to the Cubs
With Zambrano in the mix, experience definitely helps.
Much rather start the season with Prado second and Chipper third
November 2nd, 20114:44 pm
DAMN!! It’s going to be exciting to see how things shake out next spring! Makes it darned hard to wait for me……………
raleighbravefan, I’d probably be willing to go around 7 if we have 15 to spend, otherwise I’d have to see what my plans were for our bench and how much it was going to take to construct. Odds are, we’ll probably have the exact same team on the field we had in the last game last year as we’ll have come the first game this year. I don’t really see us getting a LF unless we unload Prado which I’m not sure they will be willing to do and I don’t see them giving up on Heyward just yet either and I also believe we’ll see AGon over at SS. I can’t really see us having to spend that much to upgrade our bench so why not upgrade our rotation with the majority of the funds available. We’re talking about a 1 year contract with a team option year.. allowing us to let him walk or possibly acquiring draft spots if he signed elsewhere after next season. Plus, it allows us to move someone else if need be come mid season… Win, Win all around.
It seems we don’t need to start panicing unless ST goes badly.
by that time it’s usually too late and cost more then than if we were to do something now.
or a black belt
November 2nd, 20114:45 pm
that probably doesn’t make much sense.. didn’t get a chance too proof read.. so excuse any errors.
November 2nd, 20114:46 pm
with the pitching we have, I gotta say that I fail to grasp why anyone could believe that the Braves would have any interest in another starter
It just seemed to me that Prado wasn’t as comfortable hitting behind Bourn as he was behind a non base stealing leadoff hitter. Marteen likes to be aggressive on the first pitch, and I thought he might have lost the edge batting behind Bourn.
But if he could figure that out, I agree that Chipper needs to stay in the 3 slot.
November 2nd, 20114:48 pm
ok, GG. for my nap. see y’all later.TTFN
Chipper almost led the team in OPS last year, why does everybody want him hitting second
Sure, hitting Chipper 3rd and Prado 2nd works for me too.
November 2nd, 20114:49 pm
Think I said that earlier, didn’t I, LOL? Around 4:27?
Hey, a nap sounds good right about now………….. but I gotta drive another hour to get to my hotel. And it’s only 2 here.
November 2nd, 20114:50 pm
Did anybody else think Prado was pressing after Bourn got to ATL?
November 2nd, 20114:52 pm
Braves have a deep lineup….if everyone hits to their expected slash lines, imo.
November 2nd, 20114:53 pm
Todd Redmond is also being added to 40 man roster,he also might be looked at as a long reliever,spot starter. We have a lot of alternatives on our pitching staff,don’t need to worry yet about pitching.
November 2nd, 20114:54 pm
DS1 – Not really. What I saw was a player who’s stamina was shot to hell, who had goptten into bad mechanical habits compensating for his injured leg.
November 2nd, 20114:55 pm
scoots, you did. I’d rather hit Chipper 2nd, but yours worked. Honestly, I don’t think there are a lot of poor lineups as long as Fredi isn’t hitting the SS 2….
Unless Hanson’s shoulder is worse than what we are led to believe.
AT, do you know something?
November 2nd, 20114:56 pm
Heyward raking at 3 would be about as optimal as I could imagine, though
Heyward raking would be nice, no matter where he hits in that line up. Another season like 2011 and the future doesn’t look quite so bright.
November 2nd, 20114:59 pm
I expect Prado to have a serious bounce back year. I think he will do better lower in the lineup. I suspect the leg problem then coming back and having the pressure of hitting behind Bourn did him in last season.
I wouldn’t wait for that if i were WREN. I’d put some baited lines in the water [PRADO-DIAZ] and see what I catch. Keeping PRADO would be my second option.
I would expect the SS position to be addressed first though being as how GONZO and WILSON are both FA’s.
SB – Even if Hanson is disabled, we have more than enough pitching to compensate with Teheran, Delgado, Medlen, Martinez and Vizcaino all quite capable 0f starting and in reserve.
Todd Redmond is also being added to 40 man roster,he also might be looked at as a long reliever,spot starter.
Or trade candidate.
November 2nd, 20115:00 pm
Snotboogie, ssssshhhhh I can’t go on record just yet.
Bethancourt: Catching prospect on rise
Signed by Braves when he was 16, Panamanian has soft hands, a strong right arm and athleticism most catchers can only dream of.
With Frank Wren publiccally stating his desire to sign players with “athleticism and speed” I take this headline as the first hint that McCann is not going to be signed again. !40 games and a run down player getting thrown out at second after smacking a ball off the 390 sign in right center has run it’s course. Poor catching and throwning skills, no matter how many excuseds are made don’t go welll with declining stats over the last 3 years.
November 2nd, 20115:01 pm
Another baited hook? Agreed. He’s not in the BRAVES lomg-term future I don’t think. And his shelf-life is pretty short age-wise.
November 2nd, 20115:02 pm
I can’t say what you’ll get from these guys? Teheran, Delgado, Medlen, Martinez and Vizcaino… none of them showed they were ready to me. I want more than just 5 innings from my starter. Plus, I want someone that’s a proven commodity.
November 2nd, 20115:03 pm
With Frank Wren publiccally stating his desire to sign players with “athleticism and speed” I take this headline as the first hint that McCann is not going to be signed again.
I’d be shocked if Brian McCann isn’t our catcher through 2016. I think he gets a contract extension. He’s still really good, and a lot better than some will admit from a defense standpoint.
Sure Lew. Numbers, but not experience.And I am not talking about a mere 1 month layoff kinda thing. More like a season’s worth. Then someone else would make sense. Else, no way.
November 2nd, 20115:05 pm
Another season like 2011 and the future doesn’t look quite so bright.
I’m trying to think what would be a bigger shock. I think Heyward will at least put together a .260/.350/.440 type year.
Well,free agency starts in 7 hours. Wren should have all our needs filled by 1:00AM. You might not want to go to bed early.
November 2nd, 20115:07 pm
“Sure, hitting Chipper 3rd and Prado 2nd works for me too.”
If Prado is hitting 2nd…doesn’t that mean he will be pinch hitting for the 2-hole hitter?
November 2nd, 20115:11 pm
I’d take a Hudson, Oswalt, Hanson, JJ and Beachy rotation any day.. cause there’s no guarantees Beachy will continue to develop, that Hanson or JJ stays healthy or one is traded, that Delgado/Teheran/Medlen/Vizcaino are ready for a full season work load. Nothing says you can’t if everyone stays healthy that you can’t move JJ or Hanson or both to make room for any of these guys if you think they are ready. But I’d prefer a proven veteran that could help these kids develop and help us win games then to just throw these kids into the fire and hope for the best with no other options… Oswalt would give us options in my opinion.
November 2nd, 20115:13 pm
I’m going with .290/.380/.470 on Heyward. He will perform next year back to what he should be.
Wren should have all our needs filled by 1:00AM. You might not want to go to bed early.
Oh no problems. McFann will be throwing a silver slugger party for all of us. Icees will be flowing freely – like glaciers.
November 2nd, 20115:14 pm
We’re going to have no Silver Sluggers or Gold Glovers this year.
November 2nd, 20115:18 pm
I’m going with .290/.380/.470 on Heyward. He will perform next year back to what he should be.
That would be awesome…
Kevin Orris at capitolavenueclub.com did a Q&A with the Pastor..
November 2nd, 20115:19 pm
“I’m going with .290/.380/.470 on Heyward. He will perform next year back to what he should be.”
Braves make the playoffs if that happens. Still want another LF.
November 2nd, 20115:22 pm
It’s funny, I always post Heyward’s lines as OBP – 90 points more than his BA. Slugging – 180 points more than his BA. So .270/.360/.450 or .280/.370/.460. Kid posts good walk rates…
November 2nd, 20115:23 pm
i liked prado hitting leadoff, personally. when he was hitting like himself, it was a good spot for him. i like chipper hitting 2nd too, and i think thats a good spot for his skills.
November 2nd, 20115:24 pm
Then he is batting in the 2- hole and the Braves will win the division!!!
I just don’t know if that will happen. I bet he is closer to .275
November 2nd, 20115:26 pm
MLB NET…IT show has Kimbrel live from bama….also they predict Beltran 3 yr 45 mil to the Braves
McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!
November 2nd, 20115:28 pm
Snotboogie McFann will be throwing a silver slugger party for all most of us. Icees will be flowing freely – like glaciers.
November 2nd, 20115:31 pm
Juan,who are they?
November 2nd, 20115:34 pm
Intentional Talk show inMLB Network…Kevin Millar & Rose…
November 2nd, 20115:37 pm
Thanks,Juan, I just don’t where that money comes from.
Where are these experts getting this?
November 2nd, 20115:39 pm
….also they predict Beltran 3 yr 45 mil to the Braves
Yikes. That’s a ton of money per year. I think Beltran will get three years 12-13 million per year, but it won’t be from the Braves. I think he ends up in RF with the Red Sox. He doesn’t cost a draft pick, and that jives with their strategy.
November 2nd, 20115:40 pm
snotboogie, alot of “experts” think of atlanta as a big market team and when we have a big need, and there is a big free agent, they will put them with us. i have heard those exact words “big market team” associated with the braves by these people.
they are either thinking its 15 years ago and ted turner owns the team, or they mistakenly think that just because we are in a big media market, that we have a big market payroll. we oughta, but we dont.
November 2nd, 20115:41 pm
CB,,,They was playing prediction with 6 player (Fielder,Papelbon,Beltran,Osward,CJ Wilson) They say that Fielder Posible end up in Wash. Papelbon to the Phillis.&Beltran to the Braves
November 2nd, 20115:42 pm
Does DOB still post in here, or is it all twitter now?
November 2nd, 20115:43 pm
I think Wren would like to get a corner outfielder on a two year deal for around 8 million per year. I have no inside knowledge, just seems like the type of contract they would feel comfortable handing out. They may not get a thumper, but I think the Lowe trade leads them to something and not just a utility infielder and 4th outfielder. I didn’t believe that a week ago, but getting that extra 5 million off of the books puts them into a spot to potentially make a move.
November 2nd, 20115:44 pm
It’s cool, Juan. Just not realistic for anybody with any real knowledge of the Braves.
November 2nd, 20115:48 pm
CB…The only realistic they say was that the Braves need some more Power from there Outfield.
The Show has a re-run at 7:00…
November 2nd, 20115:51 pm
Nationals close to a deal with Wang…
Strasburg, Zimmermann, Wang, Lannan, Peacock as currently set up. However I think they end up letting Lannan go and sign a pitcher. I think they end up going and trading for Upton and signing a pitcher. Not sure where Jose Reyes is going – perhaps Milwaukee. Fielder makes a ton of sense for Seattle.
November 2nd, 20115:53 pm
Juan,then they didn’t say anything you and I and the Braves did not already know.
November 2nd, 20115:54 pm
Christian Bethancourt sounds a lot like Brayan Pena did.
November 2nd, 20115:56 pm
C Thole, 1B Davis, 2B Turner/Murphy, SS Tejada, 3B Wright, LF Bay, CF, RF Duda.
SP: Santana, Dickey, Niese, Pelfrey, Gee.
Awful. The Mets are going to finish last next year.
November 2nd, 20115:58 pm
Anybody knows if Marek is leaving the Braves?
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