12:10 am November 1, 2011, by David O'Brien
November 2nd, 20113:12 pm
I heard about DeRosa the last few days,and nothing on Betemit,who is the blog favorite.
Quentin is another Uggla. Lower batting average, with power. And he has played less games in the past 4 years than Chipper………..
November 2nd, 20113:14 pm
I’ll be happy with any bat with power,and some one who can hit,and get on.
November 2nd, 20113:16 pm
When can teams officially start talking to free agents? Is that tomorrow?
McFann, we’re ready to roll.
November 2nd, 20113:18 pm
Fact – The Braves have little money.
Fact – The Braves narrowly missed the playoffs last year and should have been there and have essentially the same team – MINUS Schafer, minus McLouth, minus Lowe and plus Micheal Bourn and any number of good, young pitchers and more bullpen help to aid in resting the big three.
The Braves are NOT going to sign a huge power bat for left field. They are not going to sign Oswalt. They are not going to trade Prado necessitating a new left fielder AND a new Chipper back up at third.
Unless Wren comes up with another blockbuster trade for a shortstop or an appreciable corner outfielder, what we will see is a stop gap ss to hold the fort until Padytornicky or Simmons is ready and a part – time corner outfielder to play left when Prado plays third and right when Heyward needs time off or falters.
That’ s realistically what will be seen this winter. Major changes will happen next year when more money is available and minor leaguers are ready for the show. That’s the way it will be
November 2nd, 20113:19 pm
Arkansas Transplant, November 2nd, 2011, 12:46 pm … “abwright, for all the reasons you stated above is why I would look into signing Oswalt.”
On the other hand, he still has that “Phillies Stink” on him. Might need to wait a couple of years for that to fade before signing him. <g>
November 2nd, 20113:20 pm
McFann, we’re ready to troll.
That sounds about right…coming from Soph.
McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!
YES!! I love it!! Your best Brick yet!
I hope BMAC brings it home.
He had a good year and hopefully this award is given by rep too just like the Gold Glove usually is.
You’re rotten, Ease…
November 2nd, 20113:23 pm
We should test it out on Ease. You know, just to see if it works and all.
Ward – IN the past two full years, Derosa has played a total of 73 games, hit one HR and knocked in 22 runs. His combined OBP since 09 is around .300 and he will be 37 years old.
Why do you seriously believe he’s a realistic option for anything other than retirement ?
On the other hand, he still has that “Phillies Stink” on him.
It never goes away. His grandchildren will smell it.
“Peeee-yew, grampa! Did you pitch for the Phillies in 2011 or something?”
November 2nd, 20113:24 pm
Lots of “tug-of-war” here on a regular basis, and the differences of opinion are the spice of this forum. I sometimes get on my soap box about some opinions being unrealistic, but then what do I know, and that’s usually just my opinion…for what it’s worth.
It seems the real “rub” comes in several forms….Some seem to ignore, disreguard, or don’t understand the realities of the financial restraints, are constantly suggesting pie-in-the-sky solutions, and end up bitter and disappointed, because “Wren is a moron (or words to that effect), and Liberty Media is cheap.
Others seem to think that change…any change…is always the solution, and will make things better. They scower the stat sites in search for a “savior”, many of whom are only marginally better than what we have, if that. They also assume that if a guy gets hurt, or has one bad year (or month), that he is worthless to the team for all eternity.
Still others seem to think that all is lost, proper changes cannot or will not be made, and we are doomed to mediocrity.
The above are the rational ones. I won’t even go into the examples of trolls and haters.
The heart and soul of this forum is to exchange opinions, ideas, suggestions…agree or disagree…but hopefully we are all actually are Braves fans, and want what’s best for the team (aforementioned trolls and haters excepted) If I tend to overreact sometimes, or dis someone unintentionally or unnecessarily, I appologize. I appreciate you all.
Not a bad idea…
November 2nd, 20113:25 pm
I was expecting a petrel joke, but no…
November 2nd, 20113:26 pm
Soph, really, how did you get a hold of Murph’s three-year old’s refrigerator art?
November 2nd, 20113:28 pm
ncscoots, November 2nd, 2011, 3:23 pm … “It [“Phillies Stink”] never goes away.
Ain’t that the truth.
Still, a few changes of underwear and a couple of years of clean living might make it endurable. Billy Wagner wasn’t too wiffy when he played for the Braves. ‘Course, maybe the combo of Mets Manure and Phillies Stink cancelled out a little bit.
raleigh, sooooo….are you saying that we wont trade for Kemp?
November 2nd, 20113:29 pm
This view pretty much eliminates the need for a blog to discuss such things.
We could always discuss Kim Kardashian. I hear something extremely important is going on with her. I feel like I’ll die ignorant. So can we please thrash out all the details about it.
I see the advertisement for 700 prisoners given jobs in Georgia. You trolling from prison now,Ease?
November 2nd, 20113:30 pm
cab can tell you all about it, Snot. You know with her being lifelong childhood best friends with Kim K and all.
November 2nd, 20113:32 pm
Ease – I think you have a good understanding of the situation…but then…what do I know?
Lew: It’s for a few years,and DeRosa return would be better than Conrad on bench,but Ican see your concern.I’ll welcome DeRosa back…….
SB,Kim said when she married Humphries she found the last piece of the puzzle to complete her. I mean,really,isn’t that the sweetest thing you ever heard?
November 2nd, 20113:35 pm
Lew: DeRosa could fill in at third,and we can keep prado in LF……..That’s an option I heard about.Wren is leaning on keeping Prado at Lf…….
every time I see some body suggest Pastornicky to start at SS next year, I wonder how much offense he will have to produce to make up for his defensive deficiencies vs. Gonzalez. 117 games vs 149. 26 errors vs 12. 942 F% vs 981 for Gonzalez and on and on and on. Pastronickey would have to put up 300/20/100 offensively to cover his shoddy defense.
Gonzalez is a sure bet to start next year if we don’t trade up for another. Pastornicky has no chance to open the year at SS.
November 2nd, 20113:36 pm
Braves are pinning their hope for a good bit of their offensive production on a guy who is going to fade late in the season. It’s a tough position to play. It breaks down the body as the season progresses. It doesn’t matter from what position you get your offensive production as long as you get it.
Yadier Molina is no offensive powerhouse. It doesn’t hurt the Cards for him to put up small numbers because of two factors: He’s a great defensive catcher and pays for himself with his defense and game calling. And two, they have other offensive producers so they aren’t looking for him to provide the punch to the lineup.
McCann has been heralded from many fronts the last few years particularly for his offense. His defense has been suspect and even though he has improved on his defensive skills, he’s still no David Ross back there. McCann lauded for his offense is like saying that someone has entered a really fast motorhome in the Daytona 500. It may be a fast motorhome, but it’s still a motorhome. Now rather than argue about OBP or slugging plus OBP i’m just going to post the numbers of Homers/RBI/BA since 2006.
24 93 .333
18 92 .270
23 87 .301
21 94 .281
21 77 .269
24 71 .270
Great year in 2006 but if you post those offensive numbers for the rest of his career and attribute them to an anonymous major league player…. most people would say they were pretty pedestrian numbers. A good major league player, but not a superstar and probably not a star. There are guys out there now with those offensive numbers that will be on the market this season and not draw much of a salary. Forget the position that Mac plays, look at the offensive production I posted. Those numbers CAN be replaced and replaced without much sweat!
Brian ain’t hitting 30 homers, driving in 100 runs or hitting .300. He just ain’t! He is older and wearing down. It’s the position he plays and even when he’s in shape, he’s in “Brian shape.”
I would rather trade him to someone who is in love with the idea of having Brian McCann. I would trade him for a position bat who will produce as well with the potential of producing at a higher level.
Outfielders don’t seem to fade as much as the season wears on as catchers do. I would rather have an outfielder who won’t fade as the season progresses and leave it to my catcher to hit .240/8/57 instead of my corner outfielder!
Trade McCann while his value is high. He ain’t gonna be able to play 1st or third or the outfield when his body wears out behind the plate. He may actually be the slowest guy in the NL and that doesn’t translate well to any position on the field. When he loses it, he’ll lose it fast.
Maybe he should go to the AL and DH?
The bottom line is that it is not a rule of baseball that you get huge offensive production out of your catcher. Brain hasn’t provided that anyway. He has hit well for a catcher but he ain’t Bench or Piazza and never will be.
His value is high. Move him!
Wren,is also going to hit the Free Agnecy hard from what I heard.
November 2nd, 20113:37 pm
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I would love to see the Braves go after Michael Cuddyer. He can play 1st, 3rd, LF, RF. This would give ATL all kinds of flexibility with Chipper being injury prone, and not knowing which Jason Heyward they will get. Plus he is solid against lefties, something ATL needs.
Wren, is really going to look into the Free Agency this year…..
November 2nd, 20113:39 pm
The White Sox trade is still providing potential dividends. The Braves sent Vazquez and Logan to the Yankees the following winter to acquire Melky Cabrera, Mike Dunn and Arodys Vizcaino, who has a chance to be a productive member of the Atlanta bullpen for many years to come. – Mark Bowman
He continually states that Vizcaino’s best spot is in the pen. In my opinion, Viz needs to be logging bulk innings in Gwinnett. Kimbrel, Venters, EOF, Varvaro, Medlen, Martinez and lefty off of waivers or one of Hoover, Bullock, Cordier, Gearrin, etc. Vizcaino has so much less value as a reliever, I hope Wren does everything in his power to keep his value high and start him in the minors.
November 2nd, 20113:41 pm
Wren also stated they needed to acquire a vet for the rotation too.
November 2nd, 20113:43 pm
And remember…. they give Silver Slugger awards to pitchers too. But when the smoke clears, they are still pitchers.
Soph, so what are we going to do about the club? Name change?
That’s a good start. But I want everyone to discuss it. Shaun,scoots,Bat – the full monty, really.
Kim said when she married Humphries she found the last piece of the puzzle to complete her. I mean,really,isn’t that the sweetest thing you ever heard?
Awww. Ageless, timeless, true love.
I would rather trade him to someone who is in love with the idea of having Brian McCann.
OK, hand him over…
November 2nd, 20113:44 pm
He continually states that Vizcaino’s best spot is in the pen.
A pretty good indication that Vizcaino’s future is in the rotation, then, LOL.
The Arodys-to-the-pen notion goes back to thinking that (1) he wouldn’t be durable enough to start; or (2) that his mechanics were twitchy enough that they wouldn’t be repeatable. Neither of those ideas has borne any edible fruit, but I guess some writers still have the smell of the tree wafting in their nostrils.
Probably still be writing such a thing when Vizcaino throws 200 IP. Best ignored, or, at least, dismissed.
November 2nd, 20113:45 pm
AT – Shut ‘er down. Hopefully, we won’t have to make any clubs in ‘12.
November 2nd, 20113:46 pm
so what are we going to do about the club? Name change?
Oh someone will come along soon. And the candidate would be obvious – wind howling,windows slamming, cats scurrying.
That Trade McCann is a sharp tack,isn’t he?
November 2nd, 20113:47 pm
Ward – 37 years old. 46 games played in 2011. 26 games played in 2010. One HR. .300 OBP and no games played at all in the outfield. Derosa is done.
November 2nd, 20113:48 pm
He’s double posting as well as cab already.
Has to be someone trying to rile up McFann.
Snotboogie, if only
November 2nd, 20113:50 pm
Maybe cab is Trade McCann…
SB,you didn’t catch the other mistake?
With a name like his, he doesnt even have to try.
November 2nd, 20113:51 pm
Cab is NOT Trade McCann!!! CAB DOES NOT ADVOCATE TRADING OUR BEST PLAYER!!!!!
“Trade McCann” – I won’t argue with you…I’ll just let McFann go “Murph’s3yearold” on you.
They let crazy people use computers. But when the smoke clears, they’re still crazy people.
November 2nd, 20113:53 pm
cab,I want to hear about this relationship with Kim.
Lew: Put away the stats,and just look at the player…….Think about it for a while. Stats you can always throw out the window too.I understand what your saying…….DeRosa would be a good upgrade in my book…..
November 2nd, 20113:54 pm
Snotboogie With a name like his, he doesnt even have to try.
True that. I knew it was a loony as soon as it posted “Enter You Comments Here”…
McFann’s on the warpath. Popcorn time.
November 2nd, 20113:55 pm
Crazy People using computers!
You guys talking about me again???
Well, it’s been good talking,and respect all your views,and talk tonight. It should be fun,and peace…….
November 2nd, 20113:56 pm
But when the smoke clears, they’re still crazy people.
“I may indeed be drunk, sir, but tomorrow I’ll be sober, while you will still be a fool.”
November 2nd, 20113:57 pm
There is no relationship with Kim. I went to high school with her and Kourtney. Don’t much care for either.
Ward – An upgrade? Are you just totally clueless, a complete freaking moron, or a figment of someone’s imagination posting here to bust our chops? Cause you certainly aren’t rational or informed in any way, shape, or form if you truly believe that drivel about Derosa.
DS1,no,we weren’t talking about REALLY Crazy People.
AT – I would only consider acquiring a vet for the rotation if both Hanson and JJ are unable to do the job in ST. I believe they will both be back and effective.
BTW, would that be a Viet Nam era vet (one of us old guys) or more of a Gulf War vet types?
November 2nd, 20113:58 pm
I would rather have an outfielder who won’t fade as the season progresses
I love those oblique-less outfielders
Were they meanies, cab?
November 2nd, 20113:59 pm
they give Silver Slugger awards to pitchers too. But when the smoke clears, they are still pitchers.
That really has nothing to do with BMac being a fantastic hitting catcher…unless you’re trying to say that all catchers hit poorly, even if they’re numbers suggest otherwise…? A pitcher winning a SS just shows that he was most likely the best hitter at his position. BMac is the best hitter at his position in the NL, and has been for quite some time…so he wins Silver Sluggers. Not really that hard.
Nobody ever claimed he was like Albert Pujols, or Babe Ruth, or Ted Williams…He’s Brian McCann, who happens to be an elite catcher who plenty of teams would love to have on their side.
But he’s on our side. And we’re keeping him there.
November 2nd, 20114:00 pm
Lose McCann, Heyward & Hanson.
We’ll be in much better shape. Trust.
cab – Well, of course you wouldn’t have a relationship with them. You actually have a brain. Which would make one brain between you and that entire family.
November 2nd, 20114:01 pm
cricket I love those oblique-less outfielders
They’re so awesome, aren’t they?
Ha! Nice one…
No, sir! Not talking about you at all!…
November 2nd, 20114:02 pm
I honestly believe the only way Mac will ever get credit for non-calamitous defense by some people is if his offense sucks down to league average level for catchers.
Lew: DeRosa is the type of player that can put up a solid year when needed,and I have complete faith in him,and I will stick to it! peace my friends…..
It constantly mystifies me why ANYONE gives one holy shydt about Kim, Kourtney, or any of the rest of the Kooks. BTW, I see on the home page that Lindsay Lohan is headed back to jail. Some people seem to be even more worthless than a Philly fan.
November 2nd, 20114:04 pm
First off Elfrim…. Prado is gonna get 4.4 million in arbitration?? After the miserable excuse of a season he just had?? Really???
Secondly, in adding in all these arbitration increases and contract raises for some guys, you are forgetting to rid yourself of alot of salary room. For example, nobody has mentioned Linebrink becoming a FA and thus we can take his 4.5 million off the books, as the Braves likely wont resign. We can possibly take Alex Gonzalez and his 2.5 million off the books (i hope they let him walk, but I’m afraid they dont think Pastornicky and will resign to 1 year deal). But if they dont sign those 2 guys thats 7 million off the books right there. Nate had like a 10 million dollar club option, that we could buy out of for I think 1.25 million, so thats 8.75 million slashed by cutting Nate finally. We got Cleveland to pay for 5 million of Lowe’s 15 million this year, so we only pay 10 million. Thats another 5 million off the books, and we are rid of Lowe FOR GOOD after 2012. So thats 7 million + 8.75 million+ 5 million in getting rid of those 4 players alone= 20.75 million off the books. Not bad. I think Wren has made some definate mistakes (Chipper contract, Lowe contract, Kawakami contract, etc.), but he is fixing some of those moves and slashing back to where he needs to be, and hopefully he will have learned from these mistakes and not sign unproven (KK) or aging, fading stars (Chipper, Lowe) to overpriced contracts anymore. Oh I forgot Kawakami’s contract is over, so thats a BIG 7.33 million off as well, and we are up to about 28.5 million or so, LETS JUST HOPE WREN keeps slashing and slashing away at some of these bums contracts. Chipper’s is the only real bad one left, aside from paying Lowe 10 million to pitch in cleveland….Not that bad…
November 2nd, 20114:05 pm
Kourtney was ok. Kim was a total b*tch.
Nah, then they’d be so busy condemning his offense, they wouldn’t have time to credit him for even tying his shoelaces properly…
(Which I guess is sorta like now, but I’d imagine it’d be even worse if he actually did have a poor year with the bat…)
November 2nd, 20114:07 pm
Ward – Like I said – either you live in a totally different realm with different rules than the one most of us live in or you’re an escaped mental patient. if you truly believe that a player who will be 37 at the start of the season and who played less than half a season total over two full years and didn’t hit the entire time will revert to how he performed years ago.
The Braves would need a tailor to make his uniform to cover all of those forks sticking out of him.
November 2nd, 20114:08 pm
It constantly mystifies me why ANYONE gives one holy shydt about Kim, Kourtney, or any of the rest of the Kooks.
Join the club. We are handing out membership cards that consist of the following image.
cab – Kim was a total “b*tch…gee, there’s a surprise. I see she’s aying the marriage was not a publicity stunt, and she married for love. Yeah, right…and the Braves are going to trade for Kemp and Halliday.
November 2nd, 20114:09 pm
Yeah, Prado WILL see that much money. And had he had a season like we all thought he would, it would be a lot MORE money.
November 2nd, 20114:12 pm
Lew: I’m not mental patient! I just don’t get caught up in stats,because every year is a different season in baseball. Got to go to work,and have a good one buudy. It’s O.K. to disagree my friend,and hold nothing against it!Talk tonight.peace………………………
November 2nd, 20114:13 pm
“The Braves sent Vazquez and Logan to the Yankees the following winter to acquire Melky Cabrera, Mike Dunn and Arodys Vizcaino, who has a chance to be a productive member of the Atlanta bullpen for many years to come.”
Hmm so the Braves got Vizcaino and Uggla out of the deal. Not bad.
I’m not accusing Prado of any performance enhancing drug but look at this.
2007 697 81
2008 838 121
2009 822 117
2010 809 119
2011 687 89
Return to norm?
It’s not about what we think they should make, or what we wish they would make, or what they deserve to make, or what they have earned. It’s all about how the financial reality of baseball works, and what they WILL make. Like it or not…blame who you wish.
I still say Oswalt has more value than anyone else we could sign through free agency. He would come at a reduced cost, probably won’t take more than a one year contract with possibly a team option for a second. He still pitches late into games, still is very productive, and gives us flexibility during spring training and beyond.
November 2nd, 20114:14 pm
Ward – I don’t dislike you, either. I just think you’re disillusioned or are another poster pulling a lot of legs.
November 2nd, 20114:15 pm
raleighbravefan Like it or not…blame who you wish.
McCANN!! Trade him, trade him!!
November 2nd, 20114:17 pm
PASTORNICKY is going to be tried in 2012 in ATLANTA, but if GONZALEZ and WILSON leave as FA, a one to two year solution must be found elsewhere. I would hope MIKE YOUNG would slide into that slot allowing the BRAVES some flexibility with PRADO and HERNANDEZ.
However, I’m betting one of GONZO or WILSON is willing to stick around with the BRAVES for that duration, and the right amount of money [meaning - not a lot of money].
GONZO had a really tough year, and his bargaining power is diminished by the proximity of WILSON. Nothing like having your replacement after a bad year on hand and staring you in the face.
But if he leaves, the BRAVES sign WILSON and trade HERNANDEZ keeping HICKS in AAA for insurance while bringing SIMMONS up to AA.
In left field, I would trade PRADO, and DIAZ possibly including HERNANDEZ for a genuine LF’er not a FA, and scrounge the extra dough from the trade pieces.
November 2nd, 20114:18 pm
MF04 – Actually, the Braves got Vizcaino and HALF of Uggla (also took a pretty good utility guy)…and that’s still pretty good, no matter what you think of Melky (plus Vazquez was pretty miserable in what would have been his “walk” year, followed by losing him to FA. Plus, the Vazquez money went to resigning Hudson. It’s the gift that keeps on giving. But then obviously, Wren doesn’t know what he’s doing (Dripping with sarcasm).
November 2nd, 20114:19 pm
Buffon – Plaers don’t have a “norm” year and then exceed it that much for the next three years before returning to form.
Makes much more sense to believe that 07 was a case of him getting his feet wet for the first time and then hitting his stride the next three years and falling radically after a serious injury last year.
November 2nd, 20114:21 pm
AT – I don’t know what Oswalt would cost, but I don’t like the idea of spending whatever it is on him (unless both Hanson and JJ are totally unavailable) when we have other areas of need, and a lot of internal solutions for the rotation.
November 2nd, 20114:22 pm
For example, nobody has mentioned Linebrink becoming a FA and thus we can take his 4.5 million off the books, as the Braves likely wont resign
we only paid Linebrink 2 million this year, where are you getting 4.5?
DeRosa…Really…I’m just not seeing it.
Vazquez was really good for us though. I don’t think that can be lost in this whole thing. And he might have still done very well for us if he had stayed. Who knows.
An April 26, Prado was hitting .238, after a horrendous start to the season. He then proceeded to hit .305/.350/.500 until going on the DL (at or slightly above his career norms) the first week of JUne. Seems to me that he was returning to his norms, until the staph infection. His actual, real norms.
Hi nolie polie. How ya feelin’ today?
November 2nd, 20114:23 pm
Ward is a good dude. He gets fixated on a certain player and holds on like a bulldog. Heck, I’d take a flier on DeRosa if he would sign a minor league contract.
I expect Prado to have a serious bounce back year. I think he will do better lower in the lineup. I suspect the leg problem then coming back and having the pressure of hitting behind Bourn did him in last season.
November 2nd, 20114:24 pm
raleighbravefan, I’m not advocating spending a lot money either but if the price is right and we can still fill our team with what is left.. then it would make sense.
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