1:24 pm October 31, 2011, by Carroll Rogers
October 31st, 20114:03 pm
Say no to rally killer GONZO
October 31st, 20114:04 pm
Extremus: “If ever there was a case against giving ANY player in ANY sport a guaranteed contract for work not yet done (and there have been COUNTLESS examples)…”
While you have vastly overstated your point, I agree with I perceive to be your premise: multi-year, big dollar contracts are bad. Remember when the Braves only singed one-and two-year deals?
Bourne will be vastly overpriced by Boras, who will also be looking for five-plus years, and as badly as we need him, we should not mortgage our future.
October 31st, 20114:05 pm
Kris Humphries is a bigger man than me. I would have never lasted 72 days without swallowing the open end of a shotgun.
Best wishes to Lowe. I agree he had to go, but reading some of the comments here, I conclude that lot of people on this blog are complete idiots and that they really don’t deserve a good team. Great quantity of low quality fans.
October 31st, 20114:06 pm
I really believe Wren has a target, he’s been in contact behind the scenes, and he knows how much it’s going to cost. I think this is targeted salary cleaning to get his 1 man. Can’t wait to find out who it is!
Whoever he gets with this money we can really consider part of the trade.
October 31st, 20114:07 pm
Did Lowe Make the Braves pay him that obscene amount of money? I know that all of you that are spouting off would have gone to Frank Wren to give back the money if you were Lowe, I haven’t been in the club house but, if Dave said the players liked and supported Lowe that is good enough for me. Did Lowe’s pitching performance suck this year? Yes , no question about it. If he could have made a deal with the devil to give 10 million back for 10 more wins he would have done it. When you have all the money you ever could need, Ego, pride, and self worth mean more than money. And by the way I have a feeling none of you ever made a mistake. I wish him well
October 31st, 20114:08 pm
Those of you criticize the original signing of Derek Lowe forget how bleak the outlook for Braves pitching looked after 2008. Tim Hudson went down for Tommy John surgery in August, so he was essentially out for 2009. Jair Jurrjens completed a solid rookie season in 2008 and was our only starter returning for 2009. Smoltz and Glavine were injured, so we had a not ready Charlie Morton and Jorge Campillo to fill out the rotation with Jo-Jo the dog faced boy.
The signing of Derek Lowe was a coup for Frank Wren and we did it knowing the fourth year was likely to be a bust, because the next best alternative was signing the douche bag Oliver Perez–clearly we won that decision.
Later we traded for the career season of Javier Vazquez, signed Kenshin Kawakami and then Tommy Hanson emerged in spring training.
But do not let context and facts get in your way. DLowe was an excellent add and the position the Braves were in at the time likely influenced the huge investment the Braves have made in young arms since then.
Now we deal Lowe (probably planned for since his acquisition, knowing he would be likely a fifth starter in year 4 of the deal) and recoup $5m. For $5m he is a serviceable starter for Cleveland as they rebuild and an extra piece for the pitching rich Braves.
Sounds like Wren and his front office team are on to something and they get it done early every year.
I am going to Santo Domingo in mid-December. Anyone with “winter-ball advice is welcome to provide pointers or advice on where to go. I am staying in the “colonial zona”, and there are 2 Santo Domingo teams. My email is firstname.lastname@example.org if you would like to suggest a baseball excursion, etc.
October 31st, 20114:11 pm
Yes – Early Christmas present that!!!
October 31st, 20114:12 pm
Bernie: When is Hanson Jurjiens and Heyward leaving? Sure need to try and move them too, Mr. Wrenn.
Why would our club “move” a 22-year old top prospect earning $496,500 per year (2011), that are under team control for another three years?? Someone who was 2nd in the ROY voting last year, and has almost unlimited potential? Would be very interesting to know how you would invest those $496,500. Can’t see what blockbuster moves there are out there for just south of half a million…?
October 31st, 20114:13 pm
Very well put, northbeach Scott!
October 31st, 20114:14 pm
These mega-million, multi-year deals are stupid. That’s why the beer is approaching $10 each and the tickets price are unscaled to a corporate clientele. The great unwashed who so relished the game that brightened their lives are left behind. One year contracts based upon the prior year’s performance is how it used to be and remains the only fair method to compensate athletes.
October 31st, 20114:15 pm
My guess is the braves asked for a case of Coors light first & were told that was too steep a price. Hope this decision pans out for Lowe & the Braves. Nothing worse than a GM who overpays and gets stage fright, except perhaps a spurned woman.
October 31st, 2011
this trade was needed but paying 10M of his contract is crazy they might as well should have just kept him.”
Ever hear of the phrase ’sunk cost”? We were on the dole for $15 million AND having to play him, or deal him for whatever you could get (which was a player AND $5 million), and open up the roster spot. It’s what most of us have been saying for months…don’t understand how so many of you don’t get it.
October 31st, 20114:16 pm
ANOTHER example of how sports team owners and GMs haven’t got a clue. None of them could run a real business and be profitable.
October 31st, 20114:19 pm
“alexis, YOU’RE not only a sniveling little cryboy, but YOUR level of class is beneath the basement… Ramblingman is right on the money, as is DOB and the handful of others on here that know baseball for what it truly is… Go put the power suck on one of YOUR favorite binkies, maybe your Sunday best… what a boorish, petty little girl YOU’RE turning out to be… ”
That one Burned!
October 31st, 20114:20 pm
October 31st, 2011
These mega-million, multi-year deals are stupid. That’s why the beer is approaching $10 each and the tickets price are unscaled to a corporate clientele. The great unwashed who so relished the game that brightened their lives are left behind. One year contracts based upon the prior year’s performance is how it used to be and remains the only fair method to compensate athletes.”
Dude, Hoss Radbourn, Cap Anson, and Ty Cobb are all dead. It is what it is. We can whine or just move one. I wish I could still buy a huge house for $30,000, like my folks did in the 60’s, but unless you hit a desparate foreclosure it ain’t happening. Wish I could get a brand new car for $5,000, like I did in the 70’s, but it ain’t happening. Can’t do anything about it but accept that it is what it is. Wren can refuse to pay mult-year contracts….and lose out on pretty much every decent player.
wonder if he has a DD to drive him to Cleveland………..
I can follow your thoughts, duronimo, but with the other 29 clubs signing multiyear deals, I don’t see it happening. But in a perfect world…
October 31st, 20114:21 pm
Let the young guns pitch. Since the end of the steroid-HGH-anphetamines era a few years ago, baseball is back to being a young man’s game as it was always meant to be. By declaring Lowe out of the rotation and then dealing him, the Braves have made a strong statement to their kids, that they will have a chance to make the major league rotation.
Look for Prado and Jurrjens/Hanson to be packaged into somesort of a deal to address some of the other needs at SS and LF. This Wren fellow is mighty shrewed GM.
Good point Tim. Right on.
Now this thing abourt Bourn. Some of you can yell all day about him but for my money I’d take Constanza and play him anywhere in the outfield. But of all means insert him in right where that pimple is now.
October 31st, 20114:22 pm
It’s about time this guy was dealt!!!
Ho Zay Rayis
October 31st, 20114:24 pm
October 31st, 20114:33 pm
Do not let the DOOR hit you on the way out…………………………………..SEE YA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The following players became free agents on Sunday, Oct. 30, and will be eligible to sign with any team at 12:01 a.m. ET on Thursday, Nov. 3.
GOOD RIDDANCE !!!!!!!!!!!!
O'flarity's water bottle
October 31st, 20114:36 pm
ANY OF YOU TARDS KNOW ABOUT KK???
October 31st, 20114:38 pm
Where does this so-called “corner outfielder” actually play? Left center? Where does Prado play? Or does he get moved too? It sounds like the Braves will once again reshuffle things just to get the same team again. Ugh!
October 31st, 20114:39 pm
Man, don’t ever invite Braves posters to your retirement party. Derek Lowe was one game over .500, had some really great stretches and some really bad ones, especially this year. But we gave him the contract. Nobody wanted to pitch well worse than he did. Truth is, nothing was working for us in September, not just him. The deal is a good one overall. It’s a business, and this move makes sense. Thank you, best of luck, move on, folks.
October 31st, 20114:41 pm
Alex saved a lot of games for the Braves with his glove and arm. Probably cause us to lose as many with his bat. So that was a wash. Loved his defense, couldn’t stand to see him come to bat. Saying all that… Did you notice how he was watching the ball all they way into the catchers glove and making great contact towards the end of the season. I wonder if he had done that all year how things would have turned out for my Braves
October 31st, 20114:42 pm
KK is shelling oysters in Yokahama. His contract expired and he will be non-tendered. He is dust in the wind or bait in the Tuna.
October 31st, 20114:43 pm
Is there any thought in the organization of putting Prado at SS? I didn’t think going into last season that his numbers looked well for an OF. Wouldn’t it be easier to find a quality LF and have Prado at short than having Prado in the OF and finding a good player for SS ( no offense to Gonzo but he has never had a consistent bat even though he has a wonderful glove)?
2 hot scott
October 31st, 20114:45 pm
Good luck, D-Lowe…
In my opinion, Hudson or Jurrjens has to go too. Next year is Hudson’s last year under contract and a pitcher with a bad knee often leads to arm injuries. I’m good with Hudson, Hanson, Beachy, Minor and Delgado/Tehran. The market is better for Jurrjens because of his age, which can bring you a good outfield prospect who will be ready to take over in left in 2013 when Chipper is gone and Prado moves to 3rd full-time. As for the shortstop position, I’d put Pastornicky in during spring training and tell him it’s his job to lose. A servicable shortstop can be signed as a free agent (Bloomquist, Wilson) to fill the hole if Pastornicky needs half a season at AAA. My concern is Heyward who needs to spend alot of time in the cage this winter getting himself straightened out.
October 31st, 20114:46 pm
Great move. Frees up $5M for 2012 which , along with dollars saved fro Kawakami, McLouth etc. should begin to create some financial flexibility that will only be enhanced after next season when Lowes other $10M and Chippers (likely ) retirement adds even more. Next move should be to trade Hanson. I think we only have him for 2 more years and he is repped by Boras so you know we will struggle to keep him so lets go get that shortsop or a stud,, proven 1 or 2 year corner outfielder. Trade a young arm for a young everday guy.
October 31st, 20114:49 pm
I was trying to think of a worst deal (in recent history) than either the Lowe or the Teixeria deal. I would say the acquisition of Mike ” Oh, my oblique hurts again” Hampton.
5 starts too late…..
October 31st, 20114:51 pm
Trick or treat, Derrick~!
October 31st, 20114:52 pm
Well I just want to take this opportunity to thank the Braves for giving that world series to the Cardinal. Thanks for that world class collapse, Worst in baseball history
October 31st, 20114:56 pm
Great, Wren! Just great! $55m over three years and the guy pitched well for about a month and a half in 2010. You sure can pick ‘em.
Oh, but Lowe was good at getting drunk and then scaring the hell out of everyone by jumping into his sports car and racing down Peachtree.
October 31st, 20115:09 pm
YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE baby..thought i was reading this wrong- but hell yes – adios
now go get some bats!
October 31st, 20115:10 pm
Way to kick off the hot stove season.Let’s hope this is the first of many deals to come.
October 31st, 20115:11 pm
trade Hudson to the Red Sox & let the kids assume their place in the rotation.
Use Hudson’s salary for a BIG BAT in LF !
This patchwork, Mickey Mouse lineup ain’t gonna do it when you have to depend on Chipper & McCann to be healthy !
October 31st, 20115:16 pm
Now that we have 5 mil, can we get rid of Bourne and keep Nate ?
October 31st, 20115:18 pm
Good riddance and good trade. I don’t blame Lowe…how many of you would turn down $60M guaranteed? The front office needed to do a better job of due diligence, and when it was obvious that he couldn’t cut it as a starter, put him at long relief in the pen. Might have saved a few arms down the stretch and put us in the playoffs. Now, what can we do about Chippah?
Great job Mr Wren…I believe you will see a big difference in Braves from now on. Wren is putting his stamp on the new and better Braves organization. New Managers and hitting coaches in minors. two new hitting coaches on ML staff. Now moving the dead wood out. I can smell spring and more than anything else a new desire to win! Frank Wren was pissed (for blowing it) and is now ready to do whatever and who ever to win. If players don’t produce they will be gone..The man is in 4 wheel drive to move the losers out and win a World Series. Thank the Lord Wren has had enough of this bs. Now just watch the man do his majic….
October 31st, 20115:21 pm
Constanza is not a major league quality player. he stinks at getting on base, his CF defense is below avg, he has no power and he steals bases at below 75%… He is bad at baseball. There’s a reason he’s a career AAA player you know!!! he came up had a hot month and then pitchers figured him out and he stank. If you think Constanza should be a starter you obviously know nothing about baseball. At best he’s a 4th OF’er on a non contending team.
In fact I reckon he will be heading back to Gwinnet and will NOT be on the Braves opening roster. But then again, being that this team doesn’t appreciate OBP, he may make the team after all….. sigh…
October 31st, 20115:27 pm
Once the original deal was made there was no clean way to exit (although last year after the tremendous September Braves might have been able to deal him and eat less of the contract).
I would rather have the 5 million net out of the deal and Lowe out of the rotation.
The Braves do not really need any new arms so the extra 5 million can be shifted from the pitching staff to position players.
Personally, I would want to add as much speed as possible to the team and change the entire mindset. In the pre-steroid era, there was balance on a team between guys who hit for average, guys who hit for power and guys who could steal bases. Steroids allowed increased the dependence upon power.
I would sign Bourne and try to sign Reyes. Just think of 2 guys who can each swipe 40 to 50 bases.
October 31st, 20115:38 pm
Some people on here are slap stupid. Don’t blame Lowe the for taking the contract. He was offered 4 yr/ 60 mil. Theres not one person in here that would turn that down. It was a bad contract but that doesn’t make Lowe a bad person. He had three years that didn’t come close to living up to what we expected for 15 million but thats baseball. Theres plenty of examples of bad contracts all around baseball. Good job Frank Wren for getting what you could in this salary dump move. This should provide us enough money to compensate the guys due raises and bring in a suitable SS and a quality OF to play along side Bourn.
Summer, now Fall of George
Good luck Mr.Lowe….I appreciated how you helped us with a tremendous Sept. in 2010 to make playoffs. Age may have caught up with you this past year, but I know you gave your best that you had left. Enjoy the twilight of your career and thank you for your effort.
I hope you folks who want us to sign Reyes aren’t the same people who continuously berate Chipper for being overpaid and hurt. Because Reyes, if signed, will make more money than Chipper. And over the last 3 years, Reyes has played in 295 games. Chipper has played in 364.
stop the bs
October 31st, 20115:39 pm
NickB, Constanza was a career 300 plus hitting in minors and so far a 300 plus in ML..he was hurt and from then on just a sub..Pitchers didn’t figure him out stupid. He only got to hit like 1 time in 4 games etc. He may just be a 4th outfielder but at the time we were winning and when he got hurt we started losing for what ever reason…. If you dislike Constanza thats ok but done BS us.
October 31st, 20115:40 pm
And what’s up with the Mets pulling up their fences!
Chipper is gonna destroy them even worse now! He crushes hapless Mets.
October 31st, 20115:45 pm
Thank you he was painful to watch
October 31st, 20115:47 pm
Thanks Carroll…Good job Wren. Go Braves!
October 31st, 20115:49 pm
Addition by subtraction.
Sambo 4 Rambo
October 31st, 20115:58 pm
Shouldnt we have more than 10 mil to spend on a shortstop just by clearing kawakamis salary?? Go get jose reyes with the money we got and the following year when chipper (and 10 mil for d-lowe) are freed up, then go get a corner outfield when prado has to go to 3rd. Go after big name players that will help us contend with the phils, even if its one starting position player a year! Agree?
Braves Fan since 1957
October 31st, 20116:10 pm
Braves would rather see Reyes be a Philly.
Got to save payroll, rememebr the Braves were bought and sold on the strength of being a tax deduction for Liberty Media and Time Warner.
I would have definitley paid Derek Lowe $15 million to sit on the bench and not ever pitch again so paying him $10 million to play somewhere else is just as good
We made the September 2007 Mets look like the 1927 Yankees
Wow! I feel 100% vindicated by this move! Frank Wren pulled a miracle out of the hat and fleeced the Indians out of $5 mil.
During the 2009 off season, many on here (including DOB), stated that the Braves would be able to trade Lowe, despite having 3 years and $45 mil left on his contract…without having to eat most of his contract. In fact, this blog was filled with the blog patented “Lowe for Adam Dunn….Lowe for the Angel’s Juan Rivera” insane proposals….with the Braves only having to eat “a few million”. We all know what happened (or didnt happen, lol)!
I dont know how Frank Wren was able to do it….but he basically fleeced the Indians out of $5 mil. Assuming that half our starting pitching didnt blow out their elbows in Spring Training of 2012….the Braves would have released Lowe at the end of Spring Training. Those of you who feel that Lowe would have been our “mop up” guy in 2012….know nothing about baseball, and the distraction that someone like Lowe being the mop up guy would have been.
So instead of eating the whole $15 mil, the Braves got an extra $5 mil to use to make our team better…plus a “bag of balls” type of Minor Leaguer.
Way to make the best out of a bad situation Mr. Wren.
October 31st, 20116:11 pm
When Frank Wren signed Lowe three years ago did any other team offer Lowe a similiar contract?
October 31st, 20116:15 pm
Sambo 4 Rambo: I agree – with a caveat. All Reyes has shown during his career is an injury propensity to equally match his vast talent. Is he really worth the $10 million-plus to watch him hobble once again once he passes 1B, then see him sulk?
On second thought, better to spend the money on another option rather than the enigmatic and mercurial Reyes.
October 31st, 20116:16 pm
1957: Nope! Which makes Wren a dope!
October 31st, 20116:18 pm
Someone notify the Ohio State Patrol, DLowe on the loose in Ohio!
October 31st, 20116:23 pm
Imagine the reaction on here if the Cardinals hire Bobby Valentine to replace the now retired Tony LaRussa!
Braves hire Fredo to replace a “legend”. World Champ Cardinals hire Valentine (who DOB famously stated “what has Valentine ever won) to replace their legend.
By the way, WTF has Fredo Gonzo ever won, DOB! He got fired for losing control of the Marlins clubhouse……as well as overseeing the collapse of a 10 1/2 game Wild Card in his first year as Braves manager.
Great credentials! “Nice” to see the old “Good Ole Boy” back slapping, I’ll cover your ineptitude if you cover mine network in full force.
MiaBchBravesFan: So saying we would be getting a yunel escobar personality with chippers legs?
October 31st, 20116:27 pm
October 31st, 20116:34 pm
It had to be done, esp with all the young pitchers the Braves have ready. Lowe needs a change of scenery anyway.
The first $4 dollars to every Braves ticket in 2012 will be sent to Cleveland though.
October 31st, 20116:36 pm
btw: Congrats to Larussa on a great career. People bash him, but I wish the Braves could match his success.
October 31st, 20116:39 pm
KK is off the books. Lowe is traded, with a $10 mil loss to the Braves. McLouth is gone, at a cost of $1.25 mil next year, cost $7 mil last year for doing nothing.
Today was a day for somewhat repairing the MAJOR screw-ups of one Frank Wren; way to go, birdie-man.
October 31st, 20116:40 pm
S 4 R: that is essentially the gist.
October 31st, 20116:44 pm
Most Type A people are butt craters; that said, I’d kill to have had Tony L managing the Bravos. He won two this half decade!
Bobby won one – 16 years ago; seems like 32.
October 31st, 20116:54 pm
I’m sure going to miss her……………
Say Its True
October 31st, 20117:01 pm
So is it true? Is McGoof really McGone?
October 31st, 20117:15 pm
What a bunch of “Jizz Bags”. You would think Lowe is the only one on the team that drinks. If you have 2 or 3 drinks and get stopped they can charge you with DUI. Don’t get your “pinkies”in an uproar.
October 31st, 20117:20 pm
When it came time to man up, Lowe couldn’t. Instead, he reached for the bottle.
October 31st, 20117:22 pm
I perceive that Derek was a good guy. The Braves have a surfeit of pitching and good guys, so I wish him well, hope he wins 25 games for Cleveland.
October 31st, 20117:24 pm
Good Point SmyrnaBob. If the Braves attendance next year is 2 and half million then 4 dollars of each ticket is going to Lowe. Just think about that when you buy a ticket.
October 31st, 20117:25 pm
Now if Wren has plans to get rid of FG that would be the icing on the cake. Lowe seemed to always be very aloof; above everyone else, including the law. So when he did get stopped for DUI he had to ask the cop; “Don’t you know who I am?” I think Wren did the right thing. Maybe if FG would have done the right thing for the Braves they would not have stunk up the place in September. All he seemed to know to do was move people around in the line up. It wasn’t a chess game.
October 31st, 20117:30 pm
Very wrong to boo a human being for doing the best he can. Boo the overpaid chippie.
Still A BravesFan
October 31st, 20117:31 pm
A good start. Now let’s hope Frank Wren understands that the pitching staff did not waste away the month of September, but the lack of ANYONE who could hit the ball did. Use the money and get a player who did not hit .212 last year.
October 31st, 20117:36 pm
Carroll, thanks for details of the transaction.
October 31st, 20117:37 pm
DLowe, Thanks for getting us into the playoffs last year! Just ran out of gas this year. Don’t pay any attention to these other “fans”, as a Braves Fan, I know you did your best! Good luck in Cleveland!
Braves had to cut their losses and dump Derek Lowe | Jeff Schultz
October 31st, 20117:42 pm
[...] Wren told our Carroll Rogers: “Once you know what you want to do, you want to get the dominoes falling, and that was the first one.” [...]
October 31st, 20117:48 pm
We would have been better off if Lowe missed more starts.
October 31st, 20117:49 pm
Now RETIRE, Larry.
Wilford D. Iabeeetus
October 31st, 20117:51 pm
“Imagine the reaction on here if the Cardinals hire Bobby Valentine to replace the now retired Tony LaRussa! ”
THIS. I wanted Bobby V from the get-go.
October 31st, 20118:06 pm
Bout damn time
October 31st, 20118:09 pm
Amen, Ronaldus Hyattus.
Long term contracts benefit AGENTS as well as players…I hope it comes to an end soon. It’s a pretty silly system. Best of luck to D.Lowe. He wasn’t a complainer and was quite reliable every 4th day!!!
October 31st, 20118:15 pm
I wouldn’t care if we paid them all 15 mil…………thank god. What a complete waste of money!!!
October 31st, 20118:39 pm
It’s worth $10,000 just to get him off the roster! Now the knucklehead manager can’t pencil him it as a starter!
October 31st, 20118:42 pm
“Trust me, he was a good dude”
Yeah, real good dude. Cheated on his wife with a reporter, drag-raced drunk down Peachtree Street; what a real humanitarian. That was perhaps the dumbest quote of all time.
October 31st, 20118:47 pm
“Dude, Hoss Radbourn, Cap Anson, and Ty Cobb are all dead. It is what it is.”
Let’s dig ‘em up. Each of what is left of these guys (or, um, not) can still hit better than three-quarters of our team, and pitch better than Lowe.
October 31st, 20118:48 pm
Something needed to be done. I am a bit dismayed that Frank Wren could not cut a better deal that taking a $10M haircut.
October 31st, 20118:49 pm
I don’t think Wren did his homework on this guy. He was less than stellar out in L.A.
October 31st, 20118:52 pm
Had to be done. Now get rid of the idiot(s) who kept putting him out there when any fool could see that he had NOTHING. Huge damage was done and it cost us a place in the playoffs. I really cannot believe that this kind of management failure can be overlooked. Look what happened: We were 10 games ahead of the Cardinals. They catch us and win it all. Multiple, repeated mistake. Lowe was, I am sure, doing his best. He was just done for. Our idiots in charge could not see that. From Fredi to Wren to the very top, they all failed over and over. No excuse.
October 31st, 20118:53 pm
Lowe was a good Brave. I agree with those who believe that Wren has a target in mind already.
Now Wren go trade for~~~~~ LORENZO CAIN~~~~~~~Young, speed, great D, can hit! will be cheap for next few years. With Bourn, Cain, Heyward, Prado we would have best in NL.
October 31st, 20118:54 pm
All you so called fans suck. Atlanta sux!! Yall will never ever win another World Series. I’m heading back North and out of this red neck dumb hickville town. Later suckers!!! OH and I’m taking that 10mil with me.. HaHA who’s laughing now.
October 31st, 20118:56 pm
I give Frank Wren credit for acting fast.
October 31st, 20118:57 pm
Finally!!!……….we got rid of Kawakami, McLouth and Lowe……GREAT!!………We need an outfielder with some pop…..!
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