1:24 pm October 31, 2011, by Carroll Rogers
Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jack's BBQ
October 31st, 20112:16 pm
I wish Lowe the best. One observation that I made during the summer was the hotter and more humid it was, the less his sinkerball dropped. Same with Huddy. Maybe in a northern climate like Cleveland, his results will improve. Watch Hudson next summer. You will see, that as a general rule, when it is more humid and the hotter it gets, the less his ball drops.
White men are always screwing the Indians.
Good move – they can put that money towards Chipper’s extension to his extension……
October 31st, 20112:18 pm
Probably had to include a couple cases of Jack Daniels…to make the deal, i think that was in Lowe’s contract.
Glad he is off the team, good luck dude. Just say no…
October 31st, 20112:19 pm
Julio Teheran will definitely get the rotation spot. The only reason Delgado went up as the starter this past season was because the spot start occured on Teherans off day. – Longhorn
Wouldn’t be so sure of that. Performance matters, especially at the big-league level. And Delgado looked more polished and poised in his brief major league stint than Teheran did in his. Not saying anything about their long-range potential, but for now Delgado looks more ready. Maybe that’ll change as soon as spring training. But last season, most of us would agree Delgado was more impressive in the bigs.
There is a God!
October 31st, 20112:20 pm
My balls drop when it humid out…too.
October 31st, 20112:21 pm
Most people are looking at this all wrong, LOWE WAS GOING TO COST US $15 MILLION THIS YEAR ANYWAY!! This does not mean we have $10 million less to spend this year. By trading him, what they did was essentially get the Indians to ship us a Low A ball prospect and pay $5 million for Lowe. Now we have $5 million extra to spend this offseason.
October 31st, 20112:22 pm
SAINTS BE PRAISED!! He had a few good moments with the Braves, but otherwise was an anchor.
Yawn. Keep moving problems around MLB. Maintains the mediocre product across all teams. Heck, move him to an NBA team, no one cares. MLB = NBA = WBF = WWA. Yawn.
good riddance. I’ll take anyone for him. don’t need a 4 inning starter. I don’t doubt he’s a good guy, but he doesn’t have it anymore.
I hope wren does a better job going forward or the braves will be a laughing stock in a few years. Right now we have several players making the minimum and others still in arbitration. The past 3 years the braves spent $100 million on kawakami, McLouth, and Lowe………..and we have over $60 million promised to a guy who just hit .230. And we owe $12 million to a part time player on the backside of his career. Along with spending over 10% of our payroll next year on a pitcher who will pitch for someone else, the moves of wren are looking very suspect. At least they got chopped onions at the hot dog stand last year.
October 31st, 20112:23 pm
This should of been done Last Summer before he helped kill our playoff chances!
Owell, thanks for the good work you did in your previous years for us D Lowe.
October 31st, 20112:26 pm
Hanson or JJ will be dealt too. Spend the extra on Bourn and a SS. After next season go after a power bat in LF, move Prado to 3rd. Hope J-Hey turns it around.
October 31st, 20112:27 pm
Wow no that is now that is a trick that has a great treat at the end of it, its realy must be halloween. Cant wait to see what else is in the bag for us in the ATL. Also cant wait to get to Frank Wern’s house tosee else could be in store for us die hard Atl- Braves fans.
Please let McClouth and Prado catch the bus with him
October 31st, 20112:31 pm
I bet the Rangers wish we made that trade back in July.
October 31st, 20112:32 pm
I’m no business man but trading a player AND paying 2/3rds of his salary doesn’t seem so great to me. This deal only shows the Braves’ desperation. Hopefully they’ve learned a lesson and a really expensive one at that. Maybe the deal had some performance goals like if Lowe wins 15 games, the Braves only pay $5M
October 31st, 20112:33 pm
There isn’t enough time or space here to express the joy and common sense of ridding the Braves of this pathetic MLB imposter.
October 31st, 20112:35 pm
Good trade b/c he needed to go but financially a crap sandwich from the day one. It was a bad deal but most desperation deals are bad.
Paying Lowe $55mm for 3 years of service (which is what they just did) is not anything to crow about.
Wren saves 5mm but with arb raises that money is already gone. So net net he has no extra money to spend outside of the KK & McClouth money (15mm?). While most don’t expect to see Sherril or Linebrink back Wren will spend some money to replace them. He is also looking to upgrade from guys link Conrad.
Wren needs 15-18mm more (above ~88mm they have today) in payroll to make some noise and barring a shocking level of interest from Liberty that is not in the cards. Wren has implied a little bump if any which means 90mm max IMHO.
October 31st, 20112:36 pm
Still think we should try to find an established innings eater to add to the rotation (Buerhle, bring back Vazquez?) – just someone other than Hudson who can usually allow the bullpen to get some rest – this is probably more important than finding another big bat. Anyone else agree?
October 31st, 20112:38 pm
It is sad indeed to see how a lot of posters on here have come to sound like they are from NY or Philly, with their idiotic rantings and completely out-of-bounds comments.
For those who insist on bringing up “DUI” every single time Lowe’s name is mentioned, you might want to realize the charges were dropped. Fail for you. But don’t let facts get in the way of you spouting bumper sticker sized cliches, and don’t resort to thinking (Heaven forbid).
For those who are bemoaning that the Braves are paying $10M of Lowe’s salary this year, we all know you are the exact same jerks who would be whining about paying him $15M if they did not trade him, so sit back and shut up.
For those who are crying about the return we got for the trade, at least you aren’t claiming we should have gotten Pujols for Lowe. Yes, I know Pujols is a FA, which would have only been more of a fail for you. Maybe if you ask someone to read to you the scouting report on Jones, you might not be so quick to condemn him. The trade is what it is – a salary dump that clears roster space. The fact that Wren got a warm body is icing.
I respected Lowe during his time here. He helped and did his best to make the Braves a better team. That does not earn him scorn. If I were to talk to Lowe, I would apologize for the goobers who flood the libraries in order to type their snide remarks on here. It’s obviously the only time they spend in libraries.
Good luck to Lowe and McLouth both. I think it was necessary to end their time in Atlanta but that does not make either of them bad people. They were both better for Atlanta than some of the idiots who post on this site.
Now let’s see how next year’s team begins shaping up. Go Braves.
October 31st, 20112:39 pm
Delgado may the man at this point but spring training could provide another Brandon Beachy. Don’t forget about Kris Medlen as potential starter.
October 31st, 20112:40 pm
The Braves react more than anything. Reactive mgt should never be given 50mm to play with and that is what Wren was given back in 2008.
The ROI on that investment is not looking very good. 2009, 2010, 2011 – nothing much to write home about especially in Oct.
I have to believe sooner or later even the disinterested green eye shades in CO will start to ask questions. Maybe they finally are….
October 31st, 20112:43 pm
Clearing out more of the Cox mess. You will recall the panic when AJ Burnett passed on the Braves and they went for Lowe and Kawakami.
A good start. But more housecleaning is in order.
PS: Hey Bobby – check out LaRussa retiring. He goes out on top with a title. Not like your one year “praise Bobby” tour.
October 31st, 20112:44 pm
Did someone actually claim the Braves only have one starter now?
Whewww…please stop, my sides are hurting from laughing at some of these posts. Is school out for the day already?
October 31st, 20112:45 pm
Hope the Indians enjoy being down 4 runs in the 1st inning and have their starter only make it to the 5th. Better lock up your female sportscasters Cleveland.
October 31st, 20112:46 pm
Braves eat $10,000,000.00. Beer and kosher dogs at Turner field just went up $.50 … and still I’m happy.
ok … good luck to derek lowe … he certainly disappointed everyone with what he did this past season, but remember who carried this team in september a year ago. anyway, i anxiously await tomorrow’s news out of wren’s office: that now he can reduce the payroll by $5 million! next season we’ll be looking again at a team with decent youg pitchers and a-less-than-spotty-offense.
on another subject … did you take note of the crowds in st. louis and arlington during the series? electric! fevered! cheering every pitch. roaring throughout. when was the last time you saw that from an atlanta crowd? maybe in the ninth inning of Game 6 of the ‘95 Series? I know, it happens a few times a game in some pcokets of the stadium, but very rarely, and certainly not at the level we saw the past week. i’m not from this area and have never lived in the south, but i’ve been told it’s just the lifestyle. laid-back, easy, and that’s how the crowds are. but aren’t these the same people who go nuts at college football games? maybe it’s because baseball has a relatively short history here. i watch the games and sometimes wish i could reach through the screen and shake people out of their lull. many people on this blog say the braves are not exciting, there’s no life. bobby cox — and now fredi gonzalez — always get knocked. if you believe a team is an extenion of its manager maybe that’s the problem. and so, maybe the fans are an extension of their team and that’s why they seem so lifeless here. i’ve been around major league baseball for 50 years and i can tell you the fans at braves home games are among the most pacified in all of MLB. before the horrendous september the braves had, they were playing reasonably well.but observing the home crowds you’d think this was a fifth-place team. sorry for rambling. just frustration over why we all know will be a fruitless winter. there will be no move to add a meaningful power bat to the outfield, or no move to address the problem of the aging star at third (no disrespect intended to chipper), or no move to strengthen the bench. sighhhhhhh. thnx for listening.
October 31st, 20112:48 pm
Roy Oswalt? Maybe
Old Dawg Fan
October 31st, 20112:49 pm
You are too nice about him being a “good dude”. When you make $15 million a year and pitched poorly this last season, there is nothing good about it. How many “good fans” paid good money to watch him pitch for him to have a terrible season.
Time for him to go I am suprised somebody actually wanted to pay $5 million for him (the minor league player is just something to not make it seem so terrible). I would not have paid $100k for him to pitch for my team. If I had one.
October 31st, 20112:52 pm
I mean how stupid Cleveland- Dereck Lowe take your b*lls*it up to Cleveland- I imagine now your going to want a few brooskies when your sitting back up in Cleveland- Good riddance loser. you cost us a chance at the playoffs you should have requested they take you out because you know how horrible of a pitcher you really are.
take they “Hype” Heyward- if I have to hear Jason the Hype blame one more thing on his shoulder and how he is getting another MRI- if I see him out again at another club or bar I am going to tell him he needs to get his a*s back home and get some rest- no more bitching Heyward- if you can be out to the wee hours partying it up your not hurt in my opinion-
go ask Tongue and Groove how many times they see him out there to the wee hours. f
Dump Chumper and Hazyward would save spots and cash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 31st, 20112:53 pm
Best news I’ve heard all day!
October 31st, 20112:54 pm
I totally agree with your post! It is ashame that all the people on here saying anything about Lowes dismissed DUI,probably got plastered this week-end. All the name calling and insults are so childish.
I too think it was time for Lowe to move on but the post on here are hilarious.
This was a very good move for the Braves and I wish Lowe luck.
I agree with DOB; Delgado was impressive; I was not impressed with Vizcaino, other than velocity. Dude needs more seasoning in the minors to work on control.
October 31st, 20112:56 pm
Did ramblingman get included in the deal? He can carry Lowe’s jock and scout out local female reporters that Lowe can leave his wife for. In case you haven’t heard, that is what Lowe did when he left Boston for LA
Wonderful news! Addition by subtraction. Now let’s hope Hanson and JJ can remain healthy for an entire season.
October 31st, 2011
There goes the gains from Kenshin Kawakami & Nate McLouth coming off the books. Unless Liberty Media is loosening the purse strings, there will be a lot of youngsters on the roster next year.
Veterans play a big roll in the day to day confidence of a club…isn’t that the reason that Wren brought in Sherrill and Linebrink last year?”
Huh? Dude, I think you just approached your abacus backwards? How does saving $5 million on Lowe COST us money?
Thanks, Wren, for following my advice exactly, even to the dollar amount to offer to absorb. Who says he doesn’t read the blogs?
October 31st, 20112:57 pm
Unless the Braves add another pitcher during the offseason, this is how their rotation should project for 2012:
Medlen could be a long reliever and, along with Teheran, could fill in a rotation spot in the event of an injury. Both of those guys will at least be considered for a rotation spot. Vizcaino and Varvaro should get a chance to be regulars in the bullpen this year.
We still need a right fielder, a short stop, and a left fielder cause prado is going to be playing third a lot next year.
really if you look at the stats there are not many guys on our team that really hit last year.
Our pitching is what won games for us.
Does that behavior make Lowe a “good dude”?
Regards to Derek Lowe. He have Atlanta alot of good pitching and has had a fine career. Sad that people always want to rip someone when they are down or not doing as well as they once did in sports. Good luck in Cleveland and while I do think it was the right move for the Braves, I wish you nothing but the best.
October 31st, 20112:58 pm
Make that “gave” and not have
October 31st, 20112:59 pm
Ramblingman (2:38 p.m.): Your post is right on the money. I could not have written it better myself. Congrats.
October 31st, 20113:01 pm
Derek Lowe is our best client
Great Move Frank, Announce that he is no longer a starter and then try to find someone to pickup his dead weight contract. I’m surprised they only had to pay 10 million.
I wonder where the Braves have Medlen penciled in for the future. Rotation is set for next year
Then you have Teheran and Delgado seeming to be ready. I think Medlen is more valuable starting, but he could get plenty of work in or around the 7th inning. Everyone knows that Fredi wants his starters out of there before they sniff the 90 pitch mark.
October 31st, 20113:04 pm
@Biff – you were spot on with your comments. It’s okay, don’t worry about rambling. I don’t (LOL).
If you want to feel better about Braves fans, look at a Rays game sometime. I seriously hope they can get a new stadium on the other side of the bay and get some more bodies in those seats – some that will get excited.
My day would be made now if I could only hear that Fredi Gonzalez had been traded. If the White Sox can do it, why can’t the Braves? There’s about 90% of the problems right there!
October 31st, 20113:05 pm
You have to tip your cap to Cleveland and wonder WHAT ARE THEY THINKING.
October 31st, 20113:09 pm
I am really impressed that Wren was able to trade Lowe on virtually the first day of the offseason. The $5 million saved and the open roster spot open up a lot of possibilities for the Braves to acquire a shortstop, back-up infielder, outfielder or any other needs that may arise.
Great start to the offseason!
Interesting side note – the new manager at Mississippi will be Chris Jones’ manager from last year at Kinston.
Purely coincidence, but interesting nonetheless.
October 31st, 20113:11 pm
Well, good luck to D Lowe. Hopefully he finds better results up in Cleveland. I’m glad for 5 million in savings and hopefully Jones is a good pitcher, bonus if he’s good at middle relief.
October 31st, 20113:12 pm
Indians will have a couple of veteran pitchers Lowe and the pitcher they got from the Rockies i heard something that Turner Field is being renovated and updated .
Bob the Blogger
I hope the Lowe and Tex disasters are entrenched firmly in the minds of Braves management. They have been expensive lessons to learn, but even worse if the lessons are not learned.
October 31st, 20113:13 pm
October 31st, 20113:15 pm
Lowe was bound to go. His skills have slipped and the Braves have to make room for their up and comers. Lowe is a good guy and he knows pitching. He just got to the age that his pitches no longer had that snap and pop. Wish him well.
October 31st, 20113:16 pm
Now Trade for Matt Kemp NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Make Martini A Super Sub since Chipper can’t be trusted to play more that 120 games!!!
October 31st, 20113:17 pm
What Happens Now with Gonzo?
I think he gets a 1 year Deal until one of our SS prospects is ready!
I hope we at least try to make a move for Jose Reyes with the extra money and and out fielder .
October 31st, 20113:19 pm
Now that Lowe is gone, who is everyone going to pick on now???
October 31st, 20113:21 pm
Good luck to Lowe he gave it his all but it wasn’t enough.
October 31st, 20113:22 pm
Now That Lowe Has Been Ol Yellered…He will Probably Go 16-5 with a better offense…Lowe wasn’t as bad as his record would indicate! It was hard for him to pitch as if he was on eggshells when the team doesnt score runs until after he has his implosion innings…
(Pointing Finger) You Just WATCH!
Lowe Go 16-5 with a better run support. Watch and Bank On It! It will be a “Contract Year” for Lowe! Same for Nate Mclouth. he will turn back into the 20-20 player he was with the Pirates who had the Overrated Gold Glove Caliber defense!
WOW! Shocked we got that decent of a prospect for Lowe! Even better than the 5 mill were saving! Excellent move, still sad too see him go. Really liked him the first 2 years, thought he had a chance of turning it around.
Lowe needed to go, no doubt. Truth is he never needed to be a Brave. I am amazed that people are impressed that Wren was able to trade Lowe. He really did not trade him. He is paying Cleveland to take him. For those of you who don’t remember it was Wren who signed Lowe to this huge contract. At the time he signed him the word around baseball was the Braves had paid twice what the next closest offer was…from the Mets. No we pay Cleveland to take him. Wren just continues to waste this organizations resources and talent. How this clown still has a job in baseball is amazing to me.
October 31st, 20113:23 pm
Hell No To Jose Reyes!!!
He will Hustle a team into giving him an albatross of a contract much like Jayson Werthless Did with The Nats a year ago…
L.B. 4 Bama
October 31st, 20113:25 pm
Trading Derek Lowe makes me happier than Jim Nabors with a wheel barrow full of buttholes!!
October 31st, 20113:27 pm
Wow…My last comment is awaiting Moderation??? Thats Lame
Probably will get Bozo’d again for saying lame…SMH
October 31st, 20113:28 pm
Lowe took 15 mill last year and gave the FANS garbage..good riddance and take the jock sniffing ramblinman with you to lake eire..
October 31st, 20113:29 pm
“Now that Lowe is gone, who is everyone going to pick on now???”
Chuck Oliver is gonna have a Field Day Ripping Chipper next year since he isn’t worth what we are paying him…
B-Macc Took a lot of heat last year in the final month as well…
October 31st, 20113:30 pm
Tomahawkin @ 3:22..I agree 100%..Watch it happen!
“Lowe took 15 mill last year and gave the FANS garbage..good riddance and take the jock sniffing ramblinman with you to lake eire..”
October 31st, 20113:31 pm
I still think this rotation could use another veteran, Jurrjens and Hanson have not shown that they can get it done over an entire season. Any chance Braves go after Buerhle?
October 31st, 20113:35 pm
Phillies Fans are talking about wanting McLouth! They would rip the hell out of his overrated defense
October 31st, 20113:36 pm
@Puma…Good Point! Especially since you cant rely on BB (Beachy) throwing 200 inings
A Brave new world
October 31st, 20113:37 pm
I don’t care if we traded him for a bucket of balls, we would’ve gotten the better end of the deal. GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!
McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!
October 31st, 20113:40 pm
Tomahawkin B-Macc Took a lot of heat last year in the final month as well…
BMac and Chipper take a lot of heat even when they’re playing good…
Mark (another one)
October 31st, 20113:41 pm
The Braves have minor league starters who are pushing for major league playing time. They can’t be kept waiting forever. We still have Hudson, Hanson, JJ and Beachy. Pushing for consideration are Minor, Delgado, Medlen, Teheran and Vizciano (think about this as the potential starting rotation in AAA).
The Braves needed to make room or risk losing them so Wren had already decided Lowe was the weak link in the starting rotation. It is the right decision for the team in the long run, but it takes some guts to trade a guy and pay two-thirds of his salary.
DOB- And a good day to you, sir!!
@tomahawkin, you’re right , a bit harsh-kinda like watching him pitch last year. Anyway,he’s toast, the al will light him up like the cyuoga river in 1972 (spelling and exact date are subject to confirmation)
October 31st, 20113:42 pm
Yep, the players liked and respected him. I wish him well in Cleveland.
October 31st, 20113:43 pm
Breaking news: Mike Hampton, Kenshin Kawakami and Derek Lowe reportedly set to buy the Braves from Liberty Media. They apparently ran a successful Ponzi Scheme disguised as a Pro Baseball contract.
D Lowe will be cy young finalist next year…….
October 31st, 20113:44 pm
Yeah Dont get me wrong! I Threw Several Empty Beer Cans at the TV during some of Lowes starts when he did get run support and would get Slapped!
October 31st, 20113:45 pm
ADDITION by subtraction. the money is nothing
October 31st, 20113:46 pm
this trade was needed but paying 10M of his contract is crazy they might as well should have just kept him.
The third dead contract in as many years. Wasted money.
October 31st, 20113:49 pm
Awesome.. wish we could have conned the Tribe into taking around $7.5 million of his contract but I will take it!
October 31st, 20113:52 pm
I tell ya what…Frank Wren and the Braves’ last half of the season were polar opposites. Great trade for Bourne, poor performance by the Braves. For 2 years now our problem has been batting. We don’t have it. We need a bat, we need a short stop, get Constanza in there every day opposite J-Hey who we hope will turn it around and we’re the best team in baseball. I’m so stoked we just freed up $5M to go spending. Something tells me Wren wouldn’t have made that move if he didn’t have a specific target in mind. McLouth’s and Kawakami’s contracts are up (pretty sure). We should have some decent money to spend. Shaping up to be a great year to be a Brave! Now we’ve got to teach Fredi to stop “tipping his cap” and get mad when he loses.
Should of held out for a sack of manure because that is all the entire team is worth right now. From top to bottom the Braves have proven that they are second rate and a small sack of dung would have been a steal.
October 31st, 20113:54 pm
For those who wish we’d have just eaten the 15M, we’ve now got the money from the McLouth, Kawakami, and 5M from the Lowe contracts to go spend on someone else. Hopefully it’s a pretty decent somebody with some pop in his bat!
Trade JJ while we can get something for him… plus he gets hurt often. We have tons of pitchers, however, we can use one good older long relief guy to come in very 3 to 5 games and eat some innings for our pen.
October 31st, 20113:57 pm
Second rate? Right up until the last month of baseball the Braves had the 3-4 best record IN BASEBALL! 2nd in the National Leage! Problem is we’ve never had consistent batting the last 2 years. We’re always banking on 1 person getting that 1 long ball hit for our entire offense. You can’t expect your pitching staff to go lights out for you every night if they’re pitching 1 run ballgames and still losing! Sooner or later you wear down. Get some consistent batting and we’ll be the best in baseball again! Look out Phils!
October 31st, 20113:58 pm
If FW had not sent Escobar to Toronto we would be in much better shape.
Why would we keep Gonzo. He cant hit a lick. Any rookie could do just as well or better.
October 31st, 20114:02 pm
alexis, YOU’RE not only a sniveling little cryboy, but YOUR level of class is beneath the basement… Ramblingman is right on the money, as is DOB and the handful of others on here that know baseball for what it truly is… Go put the power suck on one of YOUR favorite binkies, maybe your Sunday best… what a boorish, petty little girl YOU’RE turning out to be…
(I capitalized the ur’s so you might at least become a less grammatically challenged whiney-assed moron…)
O'flarity's water bottle
DOB, WHAT ABOUT KK??????
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