McCann, Kimbrel are Sporting News NL All-Stars

Braves catcher Brian McCann and closer Craig Kimbrel were named the Sporting News National League All-Star team, making Atlanta one of three teams with two selections to the 10-member team.

Milwaukee had first baseman Prince Fielder and outfielder Ryan Braun, while the Los Angeles Dodgers had pitcher Clayton Kershaw and outfielder Matt Kemp, the only unanimous selection.

Voting for the Sporting News All-Star teams was by 55 members of major-league front offices, including 29 NL team executives. Eight NL position players were selected along with one starting pitcher and one reliever.

Rounding out the NL team were Cincinnati second baseman Brandon Phillips, Chicago third baseman Aramis Ramirez, Colorado shortstop Troy Tulowitzki and Diamondbacks outfielder Justin Upton.

Kimbrel tied for the NL lead with 46 saves, a major league rookie record. He was named the Sporting News NL rookie of the year on Monday.

Despite ending the season with a career-worst six-week slump following an oblique strain, McCann finished with a .270 average and .351 on-base percentage and led NL catchers with 24 home runs. He was second among NL catchers in RBIs (71) and OPS (.817).

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hammerinhomer

October 27th, 2011
1:02 pm

Tech Rules

October 27th, 2011
1:27 pm

Meanwhile, a team that placed nobody is playing in the World Series.

Mike H.

October 27th, 2011
1:52 pm

Could the “team that placed nobody” have a manager who knows how to get the best out of his players? And a top-nothc managerial staff to boot?

Mike H.

October 27th, 2011
1:52 pm

Typo: “top-notch.”

anonymous

October 27th, 2011
1:53 pm

I agree Tech Rules. Like, we’re supposed to be jumping for JOY over this!???

Braves are about to suffer a 10-12 year dismal drought. Wait and see.
And McCann’s run of All Star appearances is about to end too.
You see how he ended up.

Heisenberg

October 27th, 2011
1:56 pm

What? No McClouth & Heyward? How can that be?

Ocee

October 27th, 2011
2:00 pm

Derek Lowe

October 27th, 2011
2:01 pm

I’m shocked I didn’t make the team.

GOMETS

October 27th, 2011
2:11 pm

mcann was cornholed by the oblique

Mitchell

October 27th, 2011
2:22 pm

And we still didn’t make the playoffs.

wjones

October 27th, 2011
2:26 pm

“anonymous

October 27th, 2011
1:53 pm

I agree Tech Rules. Like, we’re supposed to be jumping for JOY over this!???

Braves are about to suffer a 10-12 year dismal drought. Wait and see.
And McCann’s run of All Star appearances is about to end too.
You see how he ended up.”

It’s a Braves news story, idiot. Wouldn’t that kind of be DOB’s obligation and duty to post this on the blog? Sorry it doesn’t send chills down your spine.

Mitchell

October 27th, 2011
2:31 pm

One of these days somebody on this team is going to need to step up and lead this team for more than a month and a half.

My God, if Troy Glaus can do it, Brian, Chipper, Jason, Chipper or somebody can do it.

Troy Glaus is a Braves folk hero at this point.

He’s our Willis Reed. Except we didn’t win a championship.

But hell, he got us about as close as we may ever get in the coming years.

Brian

October 27th, 2011
2:32 pm

The Braves are like the other 2 major sports teams in Atlanta there is no leadership on the team. Chipper is the elder spokesman and that’s as far as that goes. As much as I like McCann he is yet to show himself as a leader. Maybe Uggla can take that roll next year since it won’t be his first year with the team. But we sorely need leadership on the Braves.

Mitchell

October 27th, 2011
2:32 pm

Redundant first sentence?

Just a tiny bit redundant.

Skip Caray

October 27th, 2011
2:33 pm

…And the delivery…

don’t step on downed power lines

Harpie

October 27th, 2011
2:34 pm

The voters make it obvious that, to them, defense counts for nothing – because McCann is one of the worst ever at playing the position of catcher. He can’t catch, and he can’t throw; plus, he’s slower than a giant turtle. Just for once, he needs to get his fat ass in shape in the off -season, and practice playing catcher…

Mitchell

October 27th, 2011
2:37 pm

Dan Uggla is a tool.

I’m not counting on him to rebound from his 2011.

But he could hit .240 and Chip Caray, Joe Simpson, Jim Powell, DOB, Mark Bradley, Matt Chernoff etc. would have you believe it was a career defining season.

Losers and idiots.

Not DOB. He’s just a bit too deferential to his boys at times.

But what are you gonna do? Pobody’s neferct as I like to say.

Harpie is a tool

October 27th, 2011
2:42 pm

Harpie,

McCann lost 20 pounds prior to this season. He is committed to this and will be in even better shape next year. Perhaps you try playing with a bad oblique and other injuries that weren’t published. Get a clue.

McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!

October 27th, 2011
2:49 pm

Ah yes, here comes the manure…

“Just for once he needs to get in shape”…comments like this make me nauseous…

Good Job

October 27th, 2011
2:54 pm

So when will “pass me a drink” lowe and doofus fredi be nominated for something? Oh…wait…they were, dumb and drunk of 2011.

NickB

October 27th, 2011
3:06 pm

You do know that it was determined that Lowe’s Porsche wasn’t the one they were looking for afterall and he was cleared of the DUI charges eh?

dawglasville

October 27th, 2011
3:13 pm

I think we need to make a decision. Move Freddy to the outfield and move McCann to first. If one of them don’t want to take one for the team then maybe we need to move one of them. Prado had a crummy year but at least he was a team player and made the move. If moving both of those guys is too much of a liability defensively then maybe it is time to move one of them.

Good Job

October 27th, 2011
3:14 pm

Thats what they say. Believable? Not so much. Money talks.

Good Job

October 27th, 2011
3:18 pm

and lowe walks.

LONGBALL

October 27th, 2011
3:33 pm

Can we get rid of enough salary to make it feasible to go after Prince Fielder and move Freeman to Left? Whose contract is up this year?

Datominator

October 27th, 2011
3:37 pm

“Braves are about to suffer a 10-12 year dismal drought” – ha ha, I think I just made the rest of the office concerned I cackled so hard over that one. You remind me of Randy Quaid in Major League II – “See? I told ya. Bring out the tarp. Cover the field. I cant watch this anymore. Its over. Turn the lights out. Bring in the bull dozers and turn this place into a parking lot”

southern hope

October 27th, 2011
3:39 pm

Man, you guys sure are sore winners! Hate to see how you react when we *lose* something….oh…wait.

Good Job

October 27th, 2011
3:47 pm

Hope the Rangers clean house tonight. Don’t expect anymore from the Braves next year than we got this year. Liberty Media could care less, just give them their tax write off. Braves are mediocore at best. No manager, no leader, no desire anymore. My spending money on this team is over, until something positive is done.

MIdtown

October 27th, 2011
3:54 pm

Another irony of the Braves season: Kimbrel was the most celebrated player on the roster (along with Venters) and deservedly so, and he blew three saves in September including in the last game against the Phillies.

I still respect him for bouncing back from his early troubles and having a record-setting season. You don’t save 46 games without stringing some quality pitches together.

ray

October 27th, 2011
4:02 pm

the catching position is weak in general so Mc Cann had little competition. maybe he misses his old buddy Francouer.
2 guys don’t make a team so even a mediore team can have 2 guys make an all star team.
if the Rangers win, does the Braves front office get fractional shares for giving them Feliz, Andrus and Harrison ? maybe Jon Daniels will vote them something

Reality Check

October 27th, 2011
4:05 pm

Just trade the entire team for a small sack of turd and be happy that you made out fine.

rfgh

October 27th, 2011
4:15 pm

Gee, I thought this blog was for fans. I cant believe the vitriol. How about you guys becoming Phillies fans. You should fit right in.

Atlanta fan

October 27th, 2011
4:19 pm

Most of you guys don’t know baseball at all. The braves will make the world series within 3 years. We have a good core to build on with a lot of pitching talent. Y’all are complete idiots.

bobbymahlon

October 27th, 2011
4:26 pm

I think Y Molina is the best all around catcher in baseball. He hits for average with a little power,recieves the ball well and has a great arm. Of course I like McCann as a hitter but as a catcher there is no comparison.

swhite

October 27th, 2011
4:31 pm

What’s amazing is that there are so many people who expect a manager or baseball player to make a snap decision in the middle of a game and be 100% correct 100% of the time, yet cannot under any circumstances PROOFREAD their comment before sending it out. The spelling and grammar of some of your baseball geniuses leaves much to be desired. Perhaps if you stopped worrying about how much extra weight Brian McCann carries or stopped thinking about pithy yet pointless comments to make about Derek Lowe and started paying attention to what you’re doing you might be able to actually communicate in a way that others can understand.

Derrick "way back, way back, way back" Lowe

October 27th, 2011
4:41 pm

What about me???

Bill M.

October 27th, 2011
4:59 pm

I have been saying it for awhile, trade McCann while he has some value. Can’t run a lick and a very bad defensive catcher. I’m sure his injury had alot to do with it but he just can’t keep himself in shape. You can pick up a good defensive catcher. I would move him, Prado, Lowe and JJ., if they could find someone that would take him, even if they had to pay 10M. Get a LF that plays every day. No Platoon. Fix the bench, no more Conrad. I like Chris Heisey of the Reds, and it’s been rumored they might trade him.

Good Job

October 27th, 2011
4:59 pm

LOL…Derrick “way back, way back, way back” Lowe. lowe won the Kawakami award. (I am not capitalizing his name on purpose.)

Get rid of Gonzalaz

October 27th, 2011
5:00 pm

How about Tim McCarver is up for the Ford Frick award……..And will probably get it. That makes me mad espically because
SKIP DESERVES IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also the main reason we aint watching this world series is basically sour grapes. Were watching Texas with a bunch of Braves Prospects go up against the team that took our playoff spot. And we see our owners and management do nothing essentially about it and I don’t see any big trades or free agent signings coming so expect a sharp decline in attandance next year.

Abner Doubleday

October 27th, 2011
5:10 pm

Brian McCann should be in the AL as a DH !

He’s a latter day Mike Piazza. The Braves will never win until they have a legitimate play caller behind the plate, one that can throw out runners

Noone

October 27th, 2011
5:16 pm

Bill M and Abner,

In two years you will not have to deal with McCann behind the plate. By that time he will be a 7 or 8 time all star and 29 years old. I’m sure those guys are very replaceable. There were a lot of problems on this team, BM wasn’t one of them. Take away an injury he played with and he was hitting .310 for over 100 games this year.

Harpie

October 27th, 2011
5:25 pm

McCann’s injury had nothing to do with him being a poor defensive catcher; he’s always been bad defensively. And, there’s no way he lost 20 pounds. He is fat, and there’s no getting around it.

Noone

October 27th, 2011
5:32 pm

Harpie, you are clueless. He lost a ton of weight.

Octoman

October 27th, 2011
5:34 pm

Am surprised that Brian make the all star list after the lousy second half he had.

P.S. Frank Wren is still an idiot.

Scott Linebrink

October 27th, 2011
5:37 pm

I can’t believe I didn’t make the list. It must be rigged.

McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!

October 27th, 2011
5:39 pm

Harpie—

BMac has shown improvement in his defense over the last few years—his throws have been more accurate, and last year he caught around 30% of the base-runners. But our pitchers are not very good at holding runners at all (Hanson being the worst at this), and that combined with the oblique injury made BMac look pretty bad this year, especially in the second “half”. But his errors took a nose-dive this year—went from 14 in 2010 to 5 in 2011.

And, there’s no way he lost 20 pounds. He is fat, and there’s no getting around it.

Horrible pun on your part. And yes, he did lose weight. And he is NOT fat. Unless anything over 200 qualifies as “fat” these days…

Harpie

October 27th, 2011
5:40 pm

Noone , I don’t care if he did lose weight – he’s fat.

Nate McLouth

October 27th, 2011
5:41 pm

The only reason I did not make the list is because I suck as a hitter.

Kendell Jones

October 27th, 2011
5:41 pm

There is so much junk being espoused on this forum, that all the doo doo woulld cover the entire stadium the Braves play in. I would like to see all these people who are being so critical get out on the field and see just how difficult playing the simple game of baseball is. To some of you yoyo’s, you wouldn’t know where to begin. Most of you would probably get a bat and go the first base thinking that it was home plate. I love the Braves in spite of how their season ended. I have been a Braves fan from the time they left Milwaukee and came to Atlanta. If you don’t thnk this makes any sense, just remember that most of what you have posted doesn’t make any sense either.

TomTomClub

October 27th, 2011
5:47 pm

Bill M. has some VERY GOOD insights!! I agree with everything except trading Prado. Lock him into one position(3B) and i think he will blossom!!!

Brave New World

October 27th, 2011
5:55 pm

Having two Braves making the all star team is good news to Braves fans. Obviously, few Braves fans chose to comment.

Bernard

October 27th, 2011
6:09 pm

Those two are to be commended for giving their best! As a “wise” man once said, “It is what is it!!”…hee hee hee Happy Halloween:-)!

0-me

October 27th, 2011
6:10 pm

Congrat to McCann amd Kimbrell…Freddy is need to get a award I hope..Go Braves!

0-me

October 27th, 2011
6:12 pm

Freddy is next to get award…sorry I’ve been in doctors office all day and I’m out of it…

jim

October 27th, 2011
6:26 pm

I’m not dissing McCann, or denying he is a very good offensive player. The injury may have been the major reason for the late season slump, BUT
I agree with an earlier post that now is the best time to trade him. After this season clubs will be less likely to give value for the remainder of his contract. It would be a mistake to extend him long term beyond 2013. He is a catcher with no other position to move to — the talk of moving a gold glove caliaber first baseman to the outfield to accomodate a person who has never played the postion before is ludicrous. McCann is not a strong defensive catcher, and few catchers have a productive career after they pas 32 years of age.
Everybody wants to trade Lowe, but what team is stupid enough to take him? The previous blogger’s comment about trading Prado was also appropriate. He is not the long-term answer at 3B or LF and as he enters arbitration he becomes too expensive to be a reserve. He also has value. Moving JJ might be the right move at the wrong time — He needs to demonstrate he is healthy before he regains trade value. (same with Hanson)

Maria

October 27th, 2011
6:30 pm

Amazing all the griping about McCann. When he was out with his injury, all people would say is, “we need McCann back in the lineup.” There wasn’t any griping about his catching then.

Gimpah & McError

October 27th, 2011
6:33 pm

Despite ending the season with a career-worst six-week slump following an oblique strain, McCann finished with a .270 average and .351 on-base percentage and led NL catchers with 24 home runs. He was second among NL catchers in RBIs (71) and OPS (.817).

Clearly omitted on this writeup would be the fact McCann lead all of MLB with 104 stolen bases allowed. How about giving him a golden outhouse because his defense is crap?

McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!

October 27th, 2011
6:42 pm

Ah, haven’t heard from you in ages! No wonder I’d been having such a good time…

The guy that does rain dances at every parade.

Knocka Homer

October 27th, 2011
6:44 pm

Isn’t it kinda surreal that two of the biggest failures down the stretch this year are named all-stars ? Remember the walks & blown saves by Kimbrel ? Remember the lazy bat (.180) of McCann ? I do.

Knocka Homer

October 27th, 2011
6:47 pm

Didn’t Uggla win the worst 1st half offensively ever ward for a supposed star player ?

McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!

October 27th, 2011
6:59 pm

KH Remember the walks & blown saves by Kimbrel ? Remember the lazy bat (.180) of McCann ? I do.

No…if it wasn’t for great fans like you, the rest of us would remain in blissful ignorance…

Shakey

October 27th, 2011
7:32 pm

I am reminded of why I stayed off the blogs for most of the season.

I wouldn’t spend any time on something I hated as much as many of these posters seem to.

Bill M.

October 27th, 2011
7:35 pm

Noone—Keep dreaming, McCann would not have been the all star catcher if Buster Posey hadn’t been out with a injury. The only way that he will be an all star is a reserve. He’s a pretty good player but he needs to be in American League as a DH. He has gotten worse at calling a game.

McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!

October 27th, 2011
8:40 pm

Bill M. He has gotten worse at calling a game.

That is an inaccurate statement. Where do people come off saying stuff like this?? And don’t scrape up that nonsense about Hudson having Ross as a personal catcher for about a month and a half…Timmy’s done dang fine with BMac behind the plate.

Bill

October 28th, 2011
12:50 am

Cards win with 3 come from behinds. Freeze homers in 11th. Damn good game!
Game #7 tomorrow night for first time in 8 years..winner takes all.

reckingball

October 28th, 2011
1:17 am

A lot of whining crybabies on this rag.
fire phil.

wjones

October 28th, 2011
6:34 am

“Shakey

October 27th, 2011
7:32 pm
I am reminded of why I stayed off the blogs for most of the season.

I wouldn’t spend any time on something I hated as much as many of these posters seem to.”

Amen! And reckingball, I second the whining crybabies here! You know, a lot of folks on this blog have the great potential to be Cubs fans. If you love misery this much, try 103 years of it!

wjones

October 28th, 2011
6:39 am

Dear St.Louis Cardinals,

Just so you know, I really hate you. And it’s obvious you hate me, too, as you’ve done everything in your power to make my life miserable since September.

Dear Texas Rangers,

I’m not real happy with you either. Please put a stake in the Cardinals’ hearts tonight. Do what the Braves, Phillies, and Brewers obviously could not do. And what you had in the palm of your hand NUMEROUS TIMES last night! Twice you had one strike to get to claim the World Series. Win tonight or you will hate yourselves. AND idiots like some of the ones on THIS blog will fill YOUR blog with the same kind of vitrol

Arkie

October 28th, 2011
8:26 am

This must be “BASH McCann” day. Sure he has limitations, but, he is one of the best in MLB. With his health issues he is still better than most. He may never be a great defensive catcher but he has improved and will improve. McCann’s all around abilities make him a valuable part of our team. We all want him to come back in 2012 healed. Our Braves have several challenges to deal with, he is not one of them. Wren if you are the Man, be the Man and deal with them. Build for 012 and the future – now.

Marky Mark

October 28th, 2011
8:36 am

All you homers that can’t face the truth but drink the Braves juice are what’s pathetic. When someone posts the truth many of you can’t handle it. Kimbrel & McCann both failed when it counted most.

Marvin Mangrum

October 28th, 2011
8:39 am

You can be an allstar by hitting 63 in the second half, gawd what a great country.

Marky Mark

October 28th, 2011
8:43 am

Could the Braves move Freeman to 3B,McCann to 1B and let D.Ross start at C ?

STRETCH

October 28th, 2011
8:46 am

I went to bed last night thinking the Rangers had that game. Woke up this morning and almost choked on my OJ when i turned on the telly! Wow, you couldnt write a script any better than this. The folks in Hollywood should be fightin of the rights to do a movie about these guys!

The Cardinals are in the right place at the right time, making the plays they need to make, swinging when they should be and the are once again 1 pitch away from another WS title. Guess that would make them the Yankees of the NL.

My heart goes out to Nolan Ryan, after all those great pitching performances for so many crappy teams, losing last year and making it back this season after the Yanks and Red Sox were out of the way, it was looking like he was going to finally win it all. Josh Hamilton fighting his way back to play ball is a feat in itself. Ron Washington, is a players kinda manager as well. Im still rooting for Texas, but St. Louis is once again doing what they did in 2006, coming from outta nowhere!

But thats one reason why i hate sports sometimes, one team can be great all year, then one team goes on a streak and wins it all! This will be their 3rd time facing Carpenter, so i hope they can get to him. Texas has a great lineup, so lets see.

Finally, does anyone else besides me hate Mike n Mike in the Morning?? Mike Greenberg yaks like a little girl. He had the nerve to say that fans shouldnt be leaving a WS game even if their team was down by 8 runs. He says the dumbest things sometimes.

Todd A.

October 28th, 2011
9:19 am

McCann doesn’t call good games behind the plate. Anyone remember Kimbrell’s 0-2 fastball to Infante after Chipper’s infamous lost ball in the lights with 2 outs? One slider there and the game is over, but McCann calls a fastball, that Infante was sitting on. Walk off. Game over. Season pretty much over.

Tim McCarver

October 28th, 2011
9:30 am

The Rangers will lose because of the ex-Braves factor.

Tony Larussa will once again prove why he is a better manager than Booby Cox.

PMC

October 28th, 2011
9:35 am

More hollow individual awards with nothing to show for it. What a nice door prize.

cornjolio

October 28th, 2011
9:57 am

Awards are as meaningless (except in Atlanta) as “divisional championships”.

Its the World Series that matters and the Braves haven’t been there since 1999, twelve long years ago.

ballfour

October 28th, 2011
10:26 am

Cards don’t quit. Every player in line up doing his part. Manager makes right moves. Call it what you wish but thats what you must do to win. Cards have done that since Aug 26…tonight winner takes all. Thats 3 things Braves didn’t have.
Texas will not quit so it will be another great game tonight.

Jordan Schafer

October 28th, 2011
10:30 am

The Braves went into the tank after I was traded.

Enough to make someone smoke a little weed !

kb

October 28th, 2011
10:48 am

Glad u gone Schafer, loser!

cornjolio

October 28th, 2011
11:13 am

Brad Komminsk. Andres Thomas. Mike Kelly. Derek Lilliquist. Bruce Chen. Wilson Betemit. Andy Marte. Joey Devine. Jeff Francouer. Jordan Schafer. Jason Heyward.

All colossal busts produced by the Braves’ organization.

McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!

October 28th, 2011
11:19 am

One slider there and the game is over, but McCann calls a fastball, that Infante was sitting on.

Ah! So one bad pitch, and suddenly he can’t call a good game. Major League players cann hit good pitches, it’s what they do; it’s why they’re there. Also, sometimes pitchers make mistakes, the pitch doesn’t go where he and the catcher wanted it. And yes, there may also be times when they do make a poor pitch selection, but ultimately the pitcher is the one who nods and throws the pitch…

But BMac is NOT a bad game-caller. Ross said once that he’ll watch the way BMac calls a game and talked about what a great job he does.

jim

October 28th, 2011
11:41 am

I am not bashing McCann. As per a previous post, I recall that Infante hit a first pitch fastball, not 0-2 pitch. It is easy to second guess a call after the results are known. The I acknowledge McCann’s strengths and his weaknesses. The strenghs more than compensate for the weaknesses.

The point I make is that the Braves as presently constituted (with a few tweaks) are not a WS contending team. The startting pitching is too young and/or too fragile. The third baseman is too old to be counted on for too much. The payroll is too low to add good bench players. The team is pretty good, but not good enough. McCann will cost 12 million in 2012, and if extended will not be worth the cost as the next contract goes into its 3rd and 4th year.. Catchers age a lot faster than other position players, and McCann is a 2-tool player — hitting and hitting for power. Those tools will not get any better than they are now, and his defense and running will only get worse.. McCann IS a good player, and a good Brave. Unfortunately he is not the right good player to build around for 2013 and beyond. At his current time and contract status he will bring back a good return. By next year, that will not be the case and he will be far less valuable on the market (even with an All Star year again). Extending McCann beyond 2013 will not be cheap, unless he goes into the tank the next two years (unlikely). The money could be better spent on more younger, less expensive players. A realistic appraisal should see that the Braves are not better than the Phillies and Cards or this year’s Brewers, and a good case can be made for saying the Giants, DBacks, Reds, and Nats will all be better next year as well. The team needs to build for 2013 when the payroll is more favorable and the young players have had another year to develop and sort out who among them are keepers.

I personally like McCann, and McFann, he is my wife’s favorite player too.
It is nothing personal, just business.

Eleta

October 28th, 2011
11:58 am

I can’t believe you Braves “fans”. Brian McCann calls games well, and he is improving on defense. This season was much better than before….and he DID lose a lot of weight before the season.

What is all this talk about moving Freddie Freeman to the outfield? Did none of you see the amazing saves he made at first, when the throws were off line? He probably won a dozen games for the Braves on defense alone.

The only Brave I can be very critical of is Drrick Lowe. According to his his history, he was good once, but we got a worn out, drunk version of the former Derrick. He saved himself in 2010 by having a great September. I’m kind of glad he didn’t do that this year. Maybe that will make management see that he need to be gone!!!

I think it was nice of Prado to agree to move to right, but is is not a very good outfielder. He lets too many balls fall in front of him, and he can’t move backward very well to get those behind him. He’s not great at 3rd either. Needs to be at SS or 2nd. Not sure what the answer is.

All I can say after this roasting many of you so called fans have given them, is GO BRAVES!!! Come on 4/12!

jim

October 28th, 2011
11:59 am

Cornjolio,
I don’t recall that Andres Thomas was ever considered a future star. Joey Devine had a good year in Oakland before hurting his arm. He was rushed into a pressure situation before he was ready and the Braves gave uop on him too soon. Francouer is not a star, but has had a respectable career. He had a decent season, and should be a 10-year MLB player — not quite up to the hype, but as good or better than the average high draft pick. Ditto for Betemit — a good bench player with a reasonably long MLB career. Bruce Chen never became Tom Glavine, but he is still pitching and had a double digit win season this year. Schafer has his own demons to confront, but his ultimate career may be determined by his ability to get them under control than his talent or lack thereof.
Heyward was a 21-22 year old kid playin in his 2nd season, with an injury that may or may not have explained some of his issues. I think the jury is still out on how good he wi9ll or will not be. If, however, he does prove to be a bust, don’t take so much glee in pointing it out. The Braves future success is very much dependent upon Heyward “being all that he can be.”

jim

October 28th, 2011
12:04 pm

In listng “the ones that got away” and did not become stars here (or in some cases anywhere else) — you might also list David Justice, Ron Gant, Glavine, Smotz, Avery, Millwood, Chipper, Andruw, McCann, (and Wainwright, Andrus, Feliz) — the ones that lived up to or exceeded expectations

McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!

October 28th, 2011
1:07 pm

jim

I know what your saying, and others have said the same—I just happen to disagree. :) Nothing against you…

BMac’s gonna bounce back next year. And his first half of 2011 was MVP-candidate-caliber, but that oblique ruined everything.

he is my wife’s favorite player too.

Smart lady… ;)

Felix

October 28th, 2011
1:09 pm

Oh great! CBS sports reports that Ugglas’s agent uses porn stars to help him sign players. And Uggla’s been carousing around with one of them. Just great, just great. I have always thought that sports agents were nothing moerw than pimps anyway. This confirms it.

cornjolio

October 28th, 2011
1:09 pm

jim,

Andres Thomas came very close to being traded to Pittsburgh for a young centerfielder with an attitude – Barry Bonds. Thomas was supposed to be an AllStar caliber SS for many years as he came up through the Braves’ organization. He was a headcase.

The others are still playing, as you say, but they were BUSTS in the Braves’ organization that developed them.

The jury is out on Heyward, but I got bad vibes. He was hyped as a “5-tool” player in 2010, but I’m not seeing it a year later. He needs some quality time in the Instructional League before spring training.

wjones

October 28th, 2011
1:10 pm

“Marky Mark

October 28th, 2011
8:43 am

Could the Braves move Freeman to 3B,McCann to 1B and let D.Ross start at C ?”

Could you be LESS intelligent? No, don’t think it’s possible.

Bill Clinton

October 28th, 2011
1:11 pm

Dan Uggla should be ashamed of himself !

wjones

October 28th, 2011
1:12 pm

Yes. to the poster above who didn’t remember Andres Thomas being highly regarded, yes the Braves “think tank” at the time thought he was “the one”. They couldn’t wait to get Rafael Ramirez off shortstop to make room for him, essentially making Ramirez a “super-utility player” until they eventually traded him. And, the Pirates offered the Braves a package of players, which included BARRY BONDS, in exchange for Andres Thomas, AND THE BRAVES TURNED THEM DOWN! So yes, highly regarded. Why? Don’t have an answer to that.

Bravo Uno

October 28th, 2011
1:17 pm

Dan Uggla, another brilliant Frank Wren acquisition. This story won’t fit in with the Braves’ family image. Look for Uggla to be dealt !

http://eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22297882/32960317

Monica Lewinsky

October 28th, 2011
1:30 pm

It appears Dan Uggla has been pumping more than weights !

He’s known for swinging more than his bat !

kb

October 28th, 2011
1:32 pm

Uno..nothing new..same goes for 95 % of them.

jim

October 28th, 2011
1:36 pm

McFann, it is a tough call. I agree that Mac should have gotten more notice as an MVP candidate before the oblique injury, and that he will have a McCann-like season next year. I would hate to see him go too, but I don’t think the Braves with a healthy Brian are a serious championship caliaber team next year and I don’t think investing $12 million or more in Brian in 2013 and beyond is the smartest way for the team to go. When players like Freeman, Teheran, Delgado, Kimbrel, and yes Heyward are ready to provide a young foundation for a multi-year period of possible success, McCann will be costing more and probably contributing less (the track record for most catchers bears this out) McCann will never bring back as much in a trade as he would this year (given his contract status)

I guess you have to be happy that I am not Frank Wren, and hope he doesn’t think like me.

kb

October 28th, 2011
1:38 pm

agree with you Jim..

jim

October 28th, 2011
1:54 pm

It was the Pirates that nixed that deal.
I stand corrected on the expectations for Andres Thomas.

I agree that Brad Komminsk and Andre Marte were busts — but Marte did bring us 2 good years of Renteria at SS, so the Red Sox misevauated that one too. Francouer did not live up to the hype, but he has had a few years that many other players would not mind having (solid average role player) and will probably have a 10+ year career. Not the definition of a bust. Betemit a decent utility man/spot starter with a 5+ MLB career — not a star, but not a bust. Before you give up on Heyward too soon, where might Milwaukee be this season if they had not given up too soon on Cruz? Justin Upton took a few years to live up to the hype also.

(Who were the other 1st rounders in Francouer’s draft class and how many of them have done as much or more?)

Robert

October 28th, 2011
1:56 pm

I just heard the best ever description of Bobby Cox’s managerial abilities. A friend of mine said “I wouldnt let him manage the night shift at a daycare center” – that’s just funny

McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!

October 28th, 2011
2:03 pm

jim I guess you have to be happy that I am not Frank Wren, and hope he doesn’t think like me.

True that… ;)

Bill James

October 28th, 2011
2:03 pm

Frenchy was a bust in relation to what expectations were. He demonstrated early on what he could do, but something happened along the way in Atlanta. Heyward may not get the time in Atlanta to prove himself. He’s still very young but may need some seasoning. He might be reading his old
press clippings.

Schafer was bad news from the beginning. He’ll be out of baseball by 2013

bobbymahlon

October 28th, 2011
3:38 pm

And don’t forget Francoeur won a gold glove award that is something a lot of players cannot say they have won. That strong accurate arm of his is something else.

dilly

October 28th, 2011
4:12 pm

I am absolutely amazed at the comments about McCann. All the baseball experts think he is an excellent catcher. Since when did all of you critics of Mac get smarter than the people who really have knowledge of the game. Freeman is marvelous at first – why would you move him? Heyward cannot even play right field well and you would put him at third!?! Until the oblique, Mac was having an all star year.

McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!

October 28th, 2011
5:04 pm

dilly

Amen…

Robert

October 28th, 2011
5:15 pm

“I am absolutely amazed at the comments about McCann. All the baseball experts think he is an excellent catcher”

He is a very good hitting catcher. As a defensive catcher and a game caller, he is at best average

kb

October 28th, 2011
5:25 pm

agree Robert.

McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!

October 28th, 2011
5:49 pm

Guys, seriously—all our pitchers and David Ross think he is a dang fine game caller. Who are y’all to say he’s not?? Pitchers give up game-winning homers all the time—does that mean all those catchers are bad game callers?

Dear lord…

Dan Uggla

October 28th, 2011
6:00 pm

Fredi: A porn star? Honest, Fredi, I didn’t know she was a “porn” star. I thought my agent said she was a “pawn” star. Honest, believe me.

ColoradoBravesFan

October 28th, 2011
6:16 pm

Bill James online has an article that rates McCann way above average at blocking the ball. I believe 5th by percentage. Seems as though most baseball experts rate Mac in the top 10 on Defense and in the top 3 on offense. There are many many teams who would love to have that production.

And I bet if Hanson could learn to hold runners better Macs caught stealing would be at least league average. GO BRAVES….

Catchers Blocking the Ball in the Dirt
By John Dewan
July 22, 2011
In the fifth inning of last Friday’s game against the Blue Jays, Yankees broadcaster Ken Singleton asked aloud, “Does somebody keep track of how many times a catcher blocks a ball in the dirt to keep the runners from advancing?”

Commentator David Cone responded, “I’m sure someone does somewhere. Maybe Fangraphs will have it.”

Well, Ken and David, Baseball Info Solutions (BIS) has you covered. A legion of video scouts at BIS track this information as part of their system of tracking Good Fielding Plays and Defensive Misplays.

A Good Fielding Play is NOT necessarily a play on which the player looks good making the play—diving or spinning. It is a play that is made when, had the play not been made, no one would have faulted the fielder for not making it. And an out or a runner advancement is prevented. There are currently 28 different types of Good Fielding Plays.

One of the Good Fielding Play categories is called Catcher Blocks, which the video scouts record when a catcher blocks a ball in the dirt with runners on base. Here are the 2011 Catcher Block leaders, along with the number of Wild Pitches and Passed Balls each catcher has allowed. We also calculate a Catcher Block Percentage by adding dividing Catcher Blocks by the sum of Catcher Blocks, Wild Pitches and Passed Balls.

Catcher Block Leaders Through July 21, 2011
Catcher
Catcher
Blocks Wild
Pitches Passed
Balls Catcher
Block Pct
Yadier Molina, Stl 420 24 3 94%
Jonathan Lucroy, Mil 380 34 1 92%
Russell Martin, NYY 358 26 1 93%
J.P. Arencibia, Tor 319 28 8 90%
Chris Iannetta, Col 306 28 5 90%
Matt Wieters, Bal 297 16 0 95%
Brian McCann, Atl 297 28 3 91%
A.J. Pierzynski, CWS 293 33 2 89%
Kurt Suzuki, Oak 287 30 2 90%
Alex Avila, Det 285 32 3 89%

Yadier Molina has blocked a league-leading 420 pitches while, at the same time, allowing a relatively small number of wild pitches and passed balls. His 94% Catcher Block Percentage is second in baseball to Matt Wieters’ 95%. Russell Martin currently ranks third at 93%. If Molina can pass Wieters, it will be his third year in a row leading Major League Baseball in Catcher Block Percentage. He had a 95% Catcher Block percentage in 2010 and 94% in 2009.

Dan Uggla

October 28th, 2011
6:22 pm

See guys. I was going deep in the first half of the season—it just wasn’t in a MLB ballpark. She told me she was an actress. How was I suppose to know she ran around butt naked in movies?

Ex. S.C. Gov. Mark Sanford

October 28th, 2011
6:28 pm

Hey Dan. How about giving me a call?

ColoradoBravesFan

October 28th, 2011
6:43 pm

Here is another article for ranking catchers… McCann is 3rd on this list.

http://baseballevaluation.com/playergrades/fieldvalue2011_c.html.

ColoradoBravesFan

October 28th, 2011
6:45 pm

Should have included this also…

What is Field Value?

Field Value (FV) is the fielding rating for Stat Geek Baseball’s New Player Rating value. This rating is given to each player at each position they play during the season with over1 inning played per max games (162) at that position, as well as a total fielding rating given to a player for each season for players who played more than one position. A minimum grade is given per position to any player with under162 innings played.

Each position has different maximum, average, and minimum rating values per the difficulty and value of that position, which folds into the overall value of PEVA for that season.

FV Scale Maximums
Catcher – 2.10
Shortstop – 1.75
Outfield – 1.70
Third Base – 1.70
Second Base – 1.50
First Base – 1.40

Farnsworthy

October 28th, 2011
8:46 pm

Hey Frank Wren! It is getting ugly with Uggla. I can’t believe the news I heard today about Danny and Bibi (his girlfriend who makes dirty movies). Boy, what a couple.

How can you market to families when Dan Uggla, one of your star players, cavorts around with porn queens? That’s not a real wholesome image for the kiddies.

Frank, it just seems like every one of your signees goes sour.

McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!

October 28th, 2011
9:02 pm

ColoradoBravesFan

Excellent!

phil

October 28th, 2011
10:27 pm

so….

Uggly has been acting…uggly….

Pathetic behavior but hardly surprising.

As for McCann, he didn’t deserve that award. But he got it, so congrats. His hitting is normally quite good but i thought his defense this year was subpar….maybe he bounces back, maybe he doesn’t.

After the way this season ended, it’s going to take a lot to convince me we’re worth a crap. I’m not expecting much anymore to be honest. Wayward is such a disappointment too. FF is a positive but the there’s Prado.

Anyway, we still have Lowe! Wohoo!

McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!

October 28th, 2011
10:47 pm

phil

He will bounce back.

kb

October 28th, 2011
11:32 pm

Cards are World Champions…..Fredi gets full share…Damn!!!!!!!!!

Eye Know

October 28th, 2011
11:59 pm

Its obvious that players have to leave ATL to get a ring. Something has been wrong here since ‘91 and its the hitting philosophy of Cox and now Gonzalez. They won’t swing the F-ing bat. They think they can walk their way to a championship. The Braves watch pitch after pitch go by with the bat on their shoulder. I don’t know why they even take one to the plate? Hitting is all about momentum. You get none of that from watching pitches go by. Do the Cardinals or Rangers worry about “working” the the pitchers or walking? Hell no. They’re too busy hitting home runs. Imagine that…….

Get rid of Gonzalaz

October 29th, 2011
12:00 am

All I gotta say is good for Uggla and if you remember correctly BABE RUTH was a drinking, smoking, WOMANIZING hitting machine………..AND HE WAS MARKETED TO KIDS……….WHO CARES ABOUT WHO UGGLA CORVORTING WITH. I call a double standard here, remember Andrew Jones banging Gold Club strippers and I really dont rmember anyone mentioning that, and really it wasnt important.

reckingball

October 29th, 2011
1:05 am

Like I said yesterday, there are a lot of whining crybabies on this rag.
fire phil.

wjones

October 29th, 2011
8:21 am

“Eye Know

October 28th, 2011
11:59 pm
Its obvious that players have to leave ATL to get a ring. Something has been wrong here since ‘91 and its the hitting philosophy of Cox and now Gonzalez. They won’t swing the F-ing bat. They think they can walk their way to a championship. The Braves watch pitch after pitch go by with the bat on their shoulder. I don’t know why they even take one to the plate? Hitting is all about momentum. You get none of that from watching pitches go by. Do the Cardinals or Rangers worry about “working” the the pitchers or walking? Hell no. They’re too busy hitting home runs. Imagine that”…
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….….

OK. Do you actually live on the same planet as they rest of us? So many things wrong with that post, but I’ll only pick out two things:

1. “Something has been wrong here since 1991…” Oh, you mean the year we went worst to first and started a string of 14 straight division titles? I’m thinking every team in the bigs would like to identify something as “wrong” as that.

2. You think the Braves were too patient? Seriously? The team that was at or near the bottom in OBP all year? That’s your solution? To quit working the count? Don’t you actually have to START working the count before you STOP?

Lee

October 29th, 2011
10:26 am

reckingball, he!! thats all you ever say..same old BS.

kb

October 29th, 2011
10:32 am

Texas first team to lose Series two straight years since the Atlanta Braves 91-92.

Texas pitchers walked 41 players in Series, 11 scored. So it wasn’t all homers.

vermont 39

October 29th, 2011
1:23 pm

Congrats CK and BMac…I bet Elvis Andrus looks even better now…

kb

October 29th, 2011
2:24 pm

Now let the Rumors, trades and free agent signing begin, will the braves do nothing? are will they fill a couple needs?

wjones

October 30th, 2011
1:35 am

“Lee

October 29th, 2011
10:26 am
reckingball, he!! thats all you ever say..same old BS.”

All reckingball is doing is replying to the same old BS. Everything he counters about is posted here repeatedly, to the point of madness.

Lobosolo

October 30th, 2011
10:16 pm

The poor, poor armchairs finally get a new post to whine and cry about, and they make the best of it… hey, phil, when are you gonna keep your word and get outta here? Come on whine-babies… season is over and y’all are still around? When are you geniuses gonna ever run out of tears? Haven’t your children been embarrassed enough? spending your life pretending that you know baseball while whining like a two-year old who dropped his binkie is no way to live, Cryboys… Go back to your corners and suck on your thumbs for awhile, until you grow a pair and perhaps learn a thing or two about the game… the Never-Ending sob-Story… a-wahhh, a-wahhhh, a-wahhhhhh,,,,

reckingball

October 31st, 2011
12:23 am

Tommy Hawk

October 31st, 2011
6:48 am

The Braves should get a part of the World Serie pie for their immense contribution to Cardinal success.

The Cardinals beat the Phillies, Brewers and Rangers. The Braves aren’t even remotely in the same league with St. Louis, or have a manager in the caliber of Tony LaRussa.

braveshoo

October 31st, 2011
7:47 am

I dont think the Braves need major changes, but a few moves would be very helpful. A.Gonzalez should be resigned for 1-2 years tops. Shortstops are difficult to find and his defense will save quite a few games. The outfield bench needs to be upgraded. I would not keep Diaz whose skills are eroding. Michael Cuddyer would be a great addition. Michael Bourn should be signed longterm-4-5 years at 10 million per year. Move Prado back to a super utility role, playing a lot for Chipper at 3rd., as well as LF, RF, and 2nd if necessary.

cornjolio

October 31st, 2011
9:35 am

braveshoo,

If Prado becomes super sub, who plays in LF?

How about the train wreck in RF?

Time to field offers for Jurrjens and Hanson for key improvements, not to mention unloading Lowe’s final year on somebosdy, at a loss.

Fredi's humidor

October 31st, 2011
10:01 am

If Gonzo stays at short another year, where’s the much needed offense supposed to come from?

Bourn hit. 256 as a Brave. He’s already developing bad habits he didn’t have in Houston.

Uggla hit below his career average.

Heyward can’t be counted on for anything.

Prado is playing out of position, which impacted his OBP.

When McCann & Chipper are out of the lineup the offensive impotency is glaring.

This team can’t compete with the trade-aggressive Phillies and an improving Nats team. Another equation is the Marlins with their new ballpark will likely open the checkbook to keep it filled.

The Braves and thier overrated pitching (not even top 5 in the National League) are second place at best.

McCann an Allstar??

October 31st, 2011
10:37 am

Unfortunately Brian turned into the next Brave player nicknamed McOut after Nate was put on the 60 day DL!

Peter Gammons

October 31st, 2011
10:40 am

Cardinals win a World Series with a team payroll comparable to the Braves, without the likes of Wainwright & Holliday. Congrats to Tony LaRussa and his THIRD World Series championship.

The Rangers once again reach the World Series with a payroll similar to the Braves.

When Frank Wren ties up $30 million in Lowe, Kawakami & McLouth, and another $14 million in a .230 hitting, solo HR hitting Uggla, is it any wonder the Braves can’t compete?

Instead of calling Liberty Media “cheap”, start analyzing the moves of Frank Wren. God only knows what he’ll do with the $15 million freed up by the loss of Kawakami & McLouth.

Look for Michael Bourn to have a stellar 2012 free agent season in Atlanta – his last as a Brave.

Ken Stallings

October 31st, 2011
11:09 am

Add this to next year’s cooler talk fodder …

Tony LaRussa just announced he is retiring and that opens up the Saint Louis Cardinal’s managerial position. A certain fellow named Terry Pendleton will be a prime candidate for that position.

Would not surprise me at all to see him offered the position either.

The negative talk here about Brian McCann is just stupidity on public display! The man was having the best season of his career before the oblique injury, which was suffered when he made a dazzling catch on a pitch near the dirt, and then tried to pull a superhuman move to throw a runner out at second. McCann is a old-style gammer of a player and it is ignorant for people to question his hustle.

Dan Uggla matched his career numbers in batting average and slightly exceeded his average home run tally for a season last year. He carried the team for a long stretch.

The only problems the Braves really had over the course of the year was a disappearance by Jason Heyward, Derreck Lowe hitting the skids, injuries twice to Jaire Jurgens and once to Tommy Hanson, and gross overuse of the bullpen because our offense didn’t score enough runs to let the bullpen rest enough.

Of those problems, the solutions are mostly easy:

1. Give Jason Heyward an ultimatum to stop swinging without plate discipline, go the other way on pitches outside, and put is serious work to plug the obvious gaping holes in his swing that pitchers exploited shamelessly on him because he refused to dedicate himself to plugging them. If he does not, ship him to AAA and let him enjoy the minor leagues until he wises up!

2. Derreck Lowe goes to the bullpen for long relief. Yes, his contract is horrible, but not as horrible as last year’s performance on the mound. In every game where the Braves needed him down the stretch, he surrendered several early runs and you could just hear the air being let out of the room each time! Sorry, Derreck, your biggest problem last season was not getting pulled over by an Atlanta cop on suspecion of DUI.

3. You can never have too much pitching and the killer injuries to two of the better starters last year proved the axiom true again! It happens, and there’s not much one can do about it. At least it gave starting experience to other deserving candidates to replace Derreck Lowe.

4. The Braves need to open the wallet and get a quality bat to plug into left field and then hope Heyward gets the message and develops a swing that can survive in the major leagues. Martin Prado is a utility player, likely the best in the game. But, he is not a star player in the every day lineup. With the way Freddie Gonzalez needs to give Chipper regular rest, Prado will get about 20 starts at third base. Rotating him in the outfield, and having him as a stop gap if Heyward’s funk lasts into next season, could get him 200 AB’s next year even as the outstanding utility player that all good teams covet. Getting that additional bat should solve a lot of the Braves’ run-scoring issues and allow the bullpen to avoid leading MLB in innings and appearances next season!

Peter Gammons

October 31st, 2011
1:06 pm

Ken Stallings,

And if Heyward doesn’t produce, what is plan B for right field?

And how many relievers get $15 million a season?

Prado made the AllStar team two seasons ago as a starting second baseman. He’d want a trade before being a backup player.

Uggla did not come close to his career batting average. Look it up ! He’s a one-dimensional hitter that would do well on a team with good hitters batting around him. That rules out the Braves’ Mickey Mouse lineup.

STATS MAN

October 31st, 2011
1:36 pm

Dan Uggla:

Career average: .258
2011 Braves: : .233

Career OnBasePercentage: .343
2011 Braves: .311

Dan Uggla = another brilliant Frank Wren acquisition that will be long regretted !

atlantamelo

October 31st, 2011
5:10 pm

I can’t believe I just wasted my time reading the garbage on what is supposed to be a Braves blog. I guess I must be as much of a loser as y’all. Too much time on my hands. The sad thing is that y’all probably live your entire lives with this kind of sad demeanor. It doesn’t hurt to get behind your team and you are not as smart as you think you are!

Ken Stallings

October 31st, 2011
10:50 pm

Frankly, I did not consider the OBA and BA to be significantly different. 25 points of BA isn’t that big a difference and neither is the 32 points of OBA.

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