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Ray
October 31st, 2011
10:16 pm
JJ to KC for WIL MYERS
David O'Brien
October 31st, 2011
10:18 pm
12 players = 80.895 million. Let’s just say 81 million.
So they have 15 million to play with not counting minimum salary players and a slight increase in payroll like Wren said. I’ll buy it…. — Efrim
So you’d consider $6 mill or so a “slight” increase in payroll, huh? That’d be about
157 percent, Efrim. Not a “slight” increase. (If that’s slight, I’d like to get a “slight” raise every year or two…)But I also think your summary is a little high. I don’t think Bourn will get quite that much, for one thing, and McCann’s salary is probably amortized more over life of contract, knowing how Braves usually do their accounting. But I’m not sure, since they don’t disclose any of that.
TnBrian
October 31st, 2011
10:19 pm
Now we got people calling others “hicks” I see. Yes, they’re ignorat ad uneducated, but don’t act like because you live in Philly, or wherever up north, that you, aren’t uneducated and ignorant. Oh yes, trash lives everywhere, faceless one.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:20 pm
oh brudder!
Lying lips in the FO!
KK 8.0 gone
McLouth 6.5 mill gone
Lowe 5.0 mill gone
Sherrill 2.5 mill gone
Linestink 1.5 mill gone
Gonzalez 2.5 Mill gone
Moylan 2.5 mill gone
Conrad 500k definitely GONE
My cipherin may be off a tad but I believe that is damn near 30 mill.
add in Bourn at 8.75 leaving close to 22 mill, I think some here are way over valuing Jurrjens, Prado, Hanson, those scrubs aren’t getting 11 mill in arb….Sheesh!
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:22 pm
As a team fan, not a player fan, I would love nothing more than see Prado, Jurrjens, and McCann Traded!
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:23 pm
Ray, JJ is worth a helluva lot more than Wil Myers… Maybe Moustakas, and Cain, along with Myers
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
10:24 pm
JJ would not command much coming off back to back injury seasons…
Trey
October 31st, 2011
10:25 pm
It’s uneducated not “UNEDUCARED”, Phillie boy
VaBravesFan
October 31st, 2011
10:25 pm
JoeBrave
Yeah lets trade the best hitting catcher in baseball away…makes alot of sense. The other 2 I have no problem with saying goodbye too if the trade makes sense.
Also all the Grady Sizemore talk makes no sense, the dude plays less games than Chipper…
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:27 pm
VA…Catcher’s wear down, and Mac has the highest value! You wouldn’t deal Mac for say
Brandon Laird, Eduardo Nunez, Jesus Montero package? I would in a minute
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2011
10:27 pm
Heap and mccann’s combined raise will be about 9.5mm, JoeBrave.
VaBravesFan
October 31st, 2011
10:29 pm
JoeBrave
McCann is someone you just dont trade. He’s a special player who will be good his whole career. I think there’s a great chance he is a Brave forever.
Efrim
October 31st, 2011
10:30 pm
So you’d consider $6 mill or so a “slight” increase in payroll, huh? That’d be about 15 percent, Efrim. Not a “slight” increase.
Good point…. “slight” increase is probably less than that.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:30 pm
McCann 6.7 mill in 2011 8.5 mill in 12 representing 1.8 mil.C Jones salary decreases by 1.0 mill to 13 mill hmmm.
Efrim
October 31st, 2011
10:32 pm
JJ is worth a helluva lot more than Wil Myers… Maybe Moustakas, and Cain, along with Myers
Wil Myers as the centerpiece of a Jurrjens trade would be a hell of a return for Frank Wren and co., imo. I think today’s deal makes it a lot less likely that Jurrjens is traded. If it were ever a possibility to begin with. Gotta make sure Tommy is healthy, and I’m not sure they will figure that out until February.
Snotboogie
October 31st, 2011
10:34 pm
As a team fan, not a player fan, I would love nothing more than see Prado, Jurrjens, and McCann Traded!
I dont see how trading Mac is being a “team fan”.Zero logic.
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2011
10:34 pm
JoeBrave-
Heap has incentives up to 3mm. He shouldd get around 2mm of that this year
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:35 pm
Bat, wow, giving a broken down 40 year old a lotta credit there, CJ aint vesting that incentive
TnBrian
October 31st, 2011
10:36 pm
I wish we could get Cuddyer. So perfect for what we need. Can play you multiple positions sparring some guys here and there and he can hit. A guy who could hit pretty much anywhere in the lineup too.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:36 pm
even at 2.0 in incentives that is only 2.8 mill not 9.5
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:36 pm
I see 95 games tops out of Jones.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:38 pm
Snot, I aint a McCann fan, there is the logic, he is the poorest defensive catcher in the league, and is very questionable with his in game pitch calling.
TnBrian
October 31st, 2011
10:38 pm
Willingham is so injury prone. He does down again with a another back injury and we’re back to that same old injury problem on the team again. But, I guess it would be worth a shot and hope he could stay up.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:39 pm
Sell high Frank!
cricket
October 31st, 2011
10:39 pm
My favorite trade concept spouted by some fans – trade players when they have max value. Get prospects in return for players at or close to their peak – which amounts to rebuilding – hoping that those prospects pan out, then as soon as those prospects reach close to their so-called highest / max value, trade them and get new generation of prospects. Forget about winning. Treat the team as a trading platform, players as trade assets and count how many trades you won, instead of trying to winning the championship as a team with a mixture of vets and young players.
Gary O
October 31st, 2011
10:40 pm
From the espn.com article;
Injuries have sabotaged Sizemore’s career, limiting him to just 210 games the past three seasons. Sizemore, who at one stage of his career played in 382 consecutive games, has undergone five surgeries — two on his knees — in the past three years and is no longer a base-stealing threat.
Sizemore played in only 71 games last season, batting .224 with 10 homers and 32 RBIs..
I don’t think Sizemore is worth the risk.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:42 pm
Give you guys a name here, Donnie Murphy! Ya won’t like it but it could happen.
Snotboogie
October 31st, 2011
10:46 pm
he is the poorest defensive catcher in the league, and is very questionable with his in game pitch calling.
You have no proof for either of these, because it is not true. Pulling stuff out of your rear doesnt count as logic. But since that is what you always do, I’ll stop wasting my time.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:47 pm
Snot , Mccann is in the bottom of league defense at the Catcher position. that sir is fact.
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2011
10:48 pm
JoeBrave_
I said it was McCann and Uggla combined. I was looking at another site but if you go by Cots and figure McCann at 2mm of incentives reached I get 8.5mm. So yeah not 9.5
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:49 pm
-7 McCann’s defense accounted for seven losses this past year, I wonder what that 6 game win would have done for the Playoffs?
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:50 pm
Bat, I see where you are coming from, but actual money on Uggs, and McCann is 4.8 mill
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2011
10:53 pm
Probably not gonna make JoeBrave happy when the Braves extend McCann’s contract, huh.
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
10:54 pm
Mac was 7th in fielding percentage
1st in total chances
2nd in total put outs
4th in assists
21st in errors (tied with Yadier Molina, by the way)
tied for 1st in double plays
13th in caught stealing (better than both Molina & Carlos Ruiz)
32nd in caught stealing percentage (better than Ruiz)
1st in range factor
This is in MLB, not just the NL
cricket
October 31st, 2011
10:55 pm
Mac 4th best catcher blocking plate from 08-11 -
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/another-one-bites-the-dust/
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:55 pm
Bat, it sure won’t, McCann Isnt Johhny Bench.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:57 pm
Folks I ever said Mac was terrible, I said I am not a fan, He has high value and could net much needed pieces, it’s baseball it happens, now once again, If he was gary Carter, Johnny Bench, it’d be a different story, I watched him slip this year, and he will continue to do so.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:57 pm
oops meant never
McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!
October 31st, 2011
10:58 pm
McCann Isnt Johhny Bench.
Well, who is?
cricket
October 31st, 2011
10:59 pm
Ok, I give up. Sign Johnny Bench, I think he’s a free agent.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
10:59 pm
Buster Posey is McFann.So will Wil Myers be. McCann…umm nope
McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!
October 31st, 2011
11:00 pm
If he was gary Carter, Johnny Bench, it’d be a different story
Dude, that’s just not a very good argument because nobody is or will be them.
Folks I ever said Mac was terrible
Well, yeah, you basically did…
McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!
October 31st, 2011
11:00 pm
Buster Posey is McFann.
No, man. I’m a girl.
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:01 pm
sigh…
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2011
11:01 pm
Brian McCann c
6 years/$26.8M (2007-12), plus 2013 club option
6 years/$26.8M (2007-12), plus 2013 club option
signed extension with Atlanta 3/07, replacing 1 year/$0.44M deal for 2007
$1M signing bonus
07:$0.5M, 08:$0.8M, 09:$3.5M, 10:$5.5M, 11:$6.5M, 12:$8.5M, 13:$12M club option ($0.5M buyout)
McCann may earn additional $3M in 2012 based on Gold Gloves, Silver Sluggers & All-Star selections in 2007-11
2012 becomes club option if McCann fails to win specified awards 2007-2011
Dan Uggla 2b
5 years/$62M (2011-15)
5 years/$62M (2011-15)
signed extension with Atlanta 1/5/11
$1M signing bonus
11:$9M, 12:13M, 13:$13M, 14:$13M, 15:$13M
Okay, looks like I was wrong again.
If McCann gets 2mm in incentives that will be 10.5mm , that is 4mm more than 2011
Uggla 9mm in 2011 ……… 13mm in 2012 …… 4mm raise
4=4=8
So I’m down from 9.5mm to 8mm
McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!
October 31st, 2011
11:02 pm
For real, though—Buster Posey is Buster Posey. And he hasn’t even played a full season in the majors, so NO WAY cann you ever pretend to compare him to Johnny Freaking Bench.
And I know not who Wil Myers is nor who he plays for.
cricket
October 31st, 2011
11:03 pm
Posey may move away from catcher position but his HOF shrine is already set up, right next to Joe Mauer’s. Mac can wait in parking lot, if he gets tickets.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:03 pm
okay so everyone else has trash prospects and the Braves deserve to acquire all the Best at each position, and trade only the likes of Brooks Conrad, and Josey Constanzy… I got it now…
I keep seeing Pastornicky brought up here, I guess you all think he is the next Gary Templeton?
I have seen him play both at Rome, and Gwinnett, kid absolutely blows in the field, Gwinnett has a damn great infield so don’t hand me that minor league park crap.
Pastornicky is over-hyped trade fodder.
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:03 pm
Bat-
You also have to factor in the small raises some of the young players will get. Those may not be in the millions, but they do add up. Heyward, Freeman, Venters, Kimbrel- they won’t get a lot, but they will get something
McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!
October 31st, 2011
11:03 pm
Anyway, I don’t have time for this carp…time for bed.
You’re not a fan of BMac, that’s your funeral.
McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!
October 31st, 2011
11:04 pm
cricket—
Whew! You got that right…
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:05 pm
McFann where did I call Mac trash??? I said he was questionable defensively, and calls a poor game, Good not great hitter, not trash just a highly prized piece, that could net major haul…
Snotboogie
October 31st, 2011
11:07 pm
If McCann gets 2mm in incentives that will be 10.5mm , that is 4mm more than 2011
Bat
The incentives work out to 200K per award per year. So from 2007 till now, it works out to 5 AS selections + 3 (or 4 if it he gets it this year) SS awards. So max he can earn is 1.8 M. Currently at 1.6M.
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:07 pm
JoeBrave-
Nobody said everyone else has trash prospects, just that Mac is better than anyone that is out there now. You seem to be the only one over hyping people. Calling a 20 year old that hasn’t played above double A “Johnny Bench” seems a bit…much
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:07 pm
And Mac does not call a poor game.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:08 pm
Oh good grief, I merely mentioned ,I would trade McCann, after all a better player than McCann was traded from here.. see David Justice, Brett Butler,Marquis Grissom.
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:10 pm
You also mentioned that he was the worst defensive catcher in the majors, which he isn’t, calls a poor game, which he doesn’t, and said Buster Posey and Wil Myers are Johnny Bench, which is not even close to true.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:10 pm
Really cab, Montero, Ruiz,there are better. Cap tippin ya know. And I hate Ruiz.
Snotboogie
October 31st, 2011
11:11 pm
Posey’s got it made. Seriously. A name that stands out – gets ESPN harping about him and before he has had two seasons worth of numbers, he’s an all-time great. Awesome.
cricket
October 31st, 2011
11:11 pm
Ok, last comment and off to bed for me.
Attn. ML teams (except braves) – available for trade –
a highly prized piece that needs to net major haul –
questionable defensively, and calls a poor game, Good not great hitter.
Line (1) will be opened for bidding tomorrow from 6:46 AM.
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:12 pm
Statistically, Ruiz is not much better than Mac. And Mac is better in several areas.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:12 pm
The difference here is I am not enamored with Mccann, you guys are, McCann has the highest value of any player on the team, yes I would get my self major league ready players for him. that is all I am saying… it is baseball it does happen.
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:13 pm
So you would fill one position by creating a hole at another. Makes sense…
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:14 pm
Off to bed down with the flu, blessings to you all.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:15 pm
Nunez ss, Montero c,Nova sp, more than one hole filled there.
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2011
11:15 pm
SB _
3 SS, I thought it was 4. Oh, well if he wins this year, 1.8mm. Close enough for hand-grenades
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:15 pm
We don’t need a long term shortstop, don’t need another starting pitcher, don’t need a catcher.
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2011
11:16 pm
Hope you feel better, JoeBrave.
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:16 pm
Feel better JoeBrave!
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:18 pm
Intact the team failed miserably in Sept, inconsistent offense, Uggla needs to be hidden, Jones can’t hide him, neither can McCann, Heyward can he return? Uggla can he overcome the streakiness? Bourn, will he sign up? Jurrjens, Hanson??? Oft injured, can they stay healthy track record says no. Prado, really do you want 13 hr at 3b ???
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:19 pm
cab have you seen Pastornicky play????? Over-Hyped is an understatement.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:20 pm
Thanks guys, I really aint bashing Mac just saiyng before he gets old in hurry deal em. thats all
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:20 pm
JoeBrave-
I think he needs more work defensively, which he will get this year. But he is, as of right now, the Braves SS of the near future. So they are not going to be looking for a long term contract at that position.
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:21 pm
JoeBrave-
Go take care of yourself! We will be here ready to argue with you tomorrow!
Soph
October 31st, 2011
11:22 pm
Flu’s made you delusional, JoeBrave.
Feel better soon.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:23 pm
Cab, remember Diory hype, JHey hype,Ron Wright hype, Ka’lahue hype, yes right now even Hanson all HYPE. that’s what the Braves do, seen it too many years, build up a spect to trade and watch him flop elsewhere, name one outside of Feliz/Andrus that did anything of merit, aside from Wainwright.
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2011
11:24 pm
You also have to factor in the small raises some of the young players will get.
Sure cab.
I was just trying to point out to JoeBrave that the Braves don’t have that much money to spend, though that 5mm from Lowe can’t hurt. People that are willing to put in a lot more effort than I would (practically nil) have laid this all out. God bless ‘em
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:24 pm
Cab good night, and bless you all alka seltzer kickin in, new me arguin with out cUSSIN… imagine that
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:25 pm
JoeBrave-
Sure, a player may not live up to his billing (not going to call Jason over-hyped yet) but Pasternicky will get the chance to show if he belongs. But there is no reason to give up on him before he gets a legitimate chance to prove himself.
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:26 pm
JoeBrave-
I always enjoy a spirited discussion that stays civil. Good night!
Trey
October 31st, 2011
11:27 pm
Ward still hasn’t shown up, yet?
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2011
11:27 pm
You know Hanson has been pretty damned good, so far.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:27 pm
before I leave here is the dumbest trade I have seen:
KC gets:
Billingsley
Dee Gordon
Jurrjens
Vizcaino
Prado
LA gets
Cain
Billy Butler
Bethancourt
Pastornicky
Braves get
Moustaskas
Kemp
Guerrier..
makes me fell kinda smart
Trey
October 31st, 2011
11:28 pm
If you want to talk about Pasternicky, get Ward in here.
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:28 pm
Bat-
I was trying to provide you with a bit of assistance, apparently I failed…
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:30 pm
JoeBrave-
Wait- someone actually suggested the Dodgers would trade Billingsly AND Kemp? Please tell me that is nobody we know…
monty
October 31st, 2011
11:30 pm
I was very optimistic FW could get a Lowe deal done for 5mil. and he didn’t dissapoint. Now maybe we can get that Freeze guy or Craig from the Cards.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:31 pm
hmmm some dummy on a prosports daily blog, certainly not me , albeit I got told I was retarded and had no nowledge of Baseball for saying that trade will never happen.
Apparantly a Dodger fan
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2011
11:32 pm
cab_
I don’t think people care to hear the Braves don’t have a lot of money to spend. I’m not crazy about it myself but what are you gonna do…………
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:33 pm
JoeBrave-
Didn’t think it was you- even you are not that…
GO TO BED!!
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:33 pm
Bat, I don’t believe the FO, they have money, just stingy with it, else Uggla wouldn’t have gotten extended
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:33 pm
Bat-
Team seems to be doing ok with what they can afford.
JoeBrave
October 31st, 2011
11:33 pm
Goin now CAB
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:34 pm
If anyone is stingy with money, it’s not the front office- it’s ownership. They are the ones that set the payroll numbers, not Frank Wren
tiger297
October 31st, 2011
11:36 pm
hi cab
abwright
October 31st, 2011
11:36 pm
The Mike Minor draft pick is starting to look a little like the Texiera trade in terms of blog comments.
I don’t think the Braves organization is going to fall apart because of the Mike Minor draft. Who knows, he could turn into the next Tom Glavine and become a future hall of famer. (not holding breath)
cabravesfan
October 31st, 2011
11:37 pm
hey Tiger
abwright
October 31st, 2011
11:41 pm
Speaking of draft picks, where will the Braves pick in 2012? I thought I heard 28.
I’m guessing they won’t get anyone else’s #1 pick because of FA/arbitration.
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2011
11:41 pm
If anyone is stingy with money, it’s not the front office- it’s ownership.
I read something about John Malone buying another large tract of land. Catching up with Turner. Dude ought to sell one of his smaller states and spend that money on the Braves.
abwright
October 31st, 2011
11:45 pm
The whole stingy thing …
I thought someone in the Braves FO (probably Wren) mentioned that they want to run a profitable enterprise. If they have $$$ coming in and $$$ going out, those numbers need to be somewhat compatible.
Attendance, merchandizing, TV rights, … have a lot to do with what the Braves payroll is.
I know folks want to talk about the glory years of Ted Turner. Don’t forget, TBS was the only game in town for television baseball night in and night out. That cash cow spawned the 90’s juggernaut.
Now, the Braves are one more face in the crowd.
Unless the Braves (or other franchise) pioneers some new revenue stream, $$$ in > $$$ out will be the name of the game.