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Efrim
October 27th, 2011
4:23 pm
I guess final answer for me would be Giants and Expos/Nationals, but that was hard.
TnBrian
October 27th, 2011
4:24 pm
Murph, Braves dealt Aybar for Ridgeway in a Rays/Braves deal.
raleighbravefan
October 27th, 2011
4:24 pm
scoots – Ever been on the Blue Ridge Pkwy in the Fall? Breathtaking!
ncscoots
October 27th, 2011
4:25 pm
CB, roger that, on the leaves. But I’m willing to leave a little of the beauty on the table for the sake of a little elbow room.
I don’t mind missing out on “absolutely breath-taking” and settling for “stunning”.
Jeff R
October 27th, 2011
4:25 pm
ncscoots, nice in the mountains, I know what you mean. But baseball… ah! I was a kid when the series was still being played in early October during the day, not under lights. That time of year almost assured good weather most anywhere across the nation. Day games meant warmer temps, too.
I get the game’s economics, but… if the series ever goes into November that’s just nuts. Perhaps the MLB could do what the NFL does with the Super Bowl… choose a host city based on good November climate or its stadium has some sort of cover!
Efrim
October 27th, 2011
4:26 pm
Scratch that, it isn’t the Giants. Just remembered Ortiz for Moss. Bummer. I lose.
TnBrian
October 27th, 2011
4:26 pm
Moylan came up with the Twins, but I think he was a FA the Braves signed. Made no deal with MIN to get him. Twins and Giants – can’t think of ay recent trades with either team. Of course I can’t remember a recent trade with Philly either, so I am not 100% sure.
Murph
October 27th, 2011
4:26 pm
It was 75 degrees in Austin this morning at 7am… but then a cold front hit, dropping us all the way down to the 60’s by lunch!
Global warming my arse. I almost wish I was wearing pants. Or shorts, for that matter.
ncscoots
October 27th, 2011
4:26 pm
raleigh, you bet. Traveling the Blue Ridge is in my top 5 of favorite things.
CB
October 27th, 2011
4:27 pm
raleigh,we usually go up around Asheville and Boone area,then work across Parkway.
TnBrian
October 27th, 2011
4:29 pm
Yep, Moss was traded to SF. Uh, … RC, hurry your ass! I have things to do damnit!
RC
October 27th, 2011
4:29 pm
Sorry guys, got sidetracked with work.
TnBrian got one of the teams (Twins), but nobody was able to guess the Rockies.
August 19, 1998: The Colorado Rockies traded David Cortes to the Atlanta Braves for a player to be named later. The Atlanta Braves sent Anthony Briggs (minors) (September 8, 1998) to the Colorado Rockies to complete the trade.
September 5, 1997: The Minnesota Twins traded Greg Myers to the Atlanta Braves for a player to be named later. The Atlanta Braves sent Steve Hacker (minors) (December 18, 1997) to the Minnesota Twins to complete the trade.
RC
October 27th, 2011
4:30 pm
Moss to Giants as part of the Russ Ortiz trade was 2002.
raleighbravefan
October 27th, 2011
4:30 pm
scoots & CB – Beautiful country, any time of the year.
Efrim
October 27th, 2011
4:31 pm
I really can’t think of any deal we made with the Expos or Nats though. Nothing that comes to me….for the other teams
AL West:
Rangers: Yeah..Tex
Angels: Yeah….Tex
Mariners: MFIKY
A’s: Huddy
AL Central:
White Sox: Javy
Tigers: JJ
Royals: Toney Pena Jr. for Erik Cordier
Indians: Eddie Perez? Didn’t that happen?
Minny: ???
AL East:
Yankees: Javy
Red Sox: Renteria
Jays: Yunel
Rays: Aybar, Soriano
Orioles: Didn’t we just trade Fiorentino a while back?
NL East:
Mets: Francouer
Phils: Estrada
Marlins: Uggla
Nationals: ????
NL Central:
Cards: Wainwright
Brewers: Kolb:
Pirates: Nate
Astros: Bourn
Reds:
Cubs: Ohman/Infante
NL West:
Giants: Moss/Ortiz
Rockies:
Dodgers: Baez/Betemit? Didn’t that happen?
D-Backs: ???
Padres: ????
That’s all I got….
RC
October 27th, 2011
4:31 pm
Braves traded Daryl Ward to the Nationals for Luis Atilano in 2006.
ncscoots
October 27th, 2011
4:32 pm
Braves traded Daryl Ward to the Nationals for Luis Atilano in 2006.
That would be Ward’s other brother, Daryl?
Efrim
October 27th, 2011
4:32 pm
Huh, Twins and Rockies. Should of went that route at first. Got it down to six.
raleighbravefan
October 27th, 2011
4:32 pm
CB – I almost went to college at App State, changed my mind at the last minute to ECU (1969).
RC
October 27th, 2011
4:33 pm
To try and fill some of Efrim’s gaps….
Braves got Reitsma from Reds in 2004.
Braves sent Estrada to Arizona in 2005.
Braves got Royce Ring from Padres in 2007.
Efrim
October 27th, 2011
4:34 pm
Good stuff, RC. Very good trivia question.
TnBrian
October 27th, 2011
4:34 pm
RC, what is my prize? I should get something for a half right answer. That was a tough question.
CB
October 27th, 2011
4:34 pm
Both great schools,raleigh.
RC
October 27th, 2011
4:35 pm
Good call on the Orioles also, Efrim:
May 4, 2011: The Atlanta Braves purchased Jeffrey Fiorentino from the Baltimore Orioles.
Efrim
October 27th, 2011
4:35 pm
I wasn’t around when this was made – but remember Jose Cappellan for Dan Kolb? I was so heated. Good thing Jose never panned out, poor kid.
ncscoots
October 27th, 2011
4:36 pm
I almost went to college at App State,
Oh, man, the young ladies at Western Carolina up in that area, how could I forget them? Mercy. Back in the day, you could walk around downtown Sylva, too, and really put a crick in your neck. Good times and great road trips.
raleighbravefan
October 27th, 2011
4:37 pm
TnBrian – I’ll give you half an “ATTABOY”!
Tom O'Hawke
October 27th, 2011
4:38 pm
I just noticed that, Robert, changed his comment on the Bobby Cox-sponsored Baseball Ref. page. It would be comical if it were anyone but Robert.
Thanks to the ideas I read here from Murph (Chrome auto-refresh), and Bat Masterson (stats on potential cost to Robert), my math has me costing Robert $6,426.00 by the time his sponsorship ends on July 21.
If we get about 10 others, we’ll teach Robert a little respect. Maybe.
RC
October 27th, 2011
4:38 pm
TnBrian,
Settle for a bucket o’ pride?
raleighbravefan
October 27th, 2011
4:38 pm
scoots – There was a lot more bikini weather in Greenville.
Murph
October 27th, 2011
4:39 pm
Traveling the Blue Ridge is in my top 5 of favorite things.
What are the other 4?
ncscoots
October 27th, 2011
4:40 pm
raleigh, I’m guessing so, LOL.
RC
October 27th, 2011
4:40 pm
Thanks to the ideas I read here from Murph (Chrome auto-refresh), and Bat Masterson (stats on potential cost to Robert), my math has me costing Robert $6,426.00 by the time his sponsorship ends on July 21.
If we get about 10 others, we’ll teach Robert a little respect. Maybe.
Don’t think those pages work that way. That just means that it’ll cost the next person $6,426 to sponsor the page for the following year….unless nobody does, in which case it acts as a declining auction rate until someone pays for it.
raleighbravefan
October 27th, 2011
4:42 pm
Tom – What did he change it to?
Snotboogie
October 27th, 2011
4:42 pm
The only thing any of the above candidates has on Pastornicky is experience. While that’s valuable, no doubt about it, I put more of a premium on ability.
This is based on a flimsy basic assumption that a prospect has nothing to gain from more seasoning in the minors. He has shown a few weeks worth of good numbers at AAA but his defense still needs work. How can you be so sure that he has that ability to make it in the bigs based on that? No harm in letting him face a different round of teams with the book on him to see how he adapts. Plenty of harm in exposing him too early to the majors and seeing him fail. (eg: Schafer).
Tom O'Hawke
October 27th, 2011
4:43 pm
RC
That’s the info I got from here, not the page.
So what you’re saying is there’s false info on here???
Tom O'Hawke
October 27th, 2011
4:45 pm
RC
Ha,ha. I couldn’t copy and paste it until I stopped the auto-refresh.
Due to a wiring mix-up during Game 5 of the World Series, the Cardinals bullpen phone was connected not to their dugout and manager Tony LaRussa, but to Bobby Cox’s cell phone. That explains the pitching changes they made
RC
October 27th, 2011
4:45 pm
RC
That’s the info I got from here, not the page.
So what you’re saying is there’s false info on here???
Shockingly, I am afraid so
.
But we can at least jack up the page hits so that it’s really expensive for him to renew next year, and try to raise funds to outbid him for the page.
That jackhole is why I had to change my handle early on in my blog days….although I like the new one.
RC
October 27th, 2011
4:46 pm
Got to go pick up the wife…talk to everyone later!
tiger297
October 27th, 2011
4:46 pm
scoots/cb – you oughta see it from 4500 feet MSL – about 2000 feet from the tops…amazing
Tom O'Hawke
October 27th, 2011
4:47 pm
Sorry, raleigh, that was supposed to be addressed to you.
flange1
October 27th, 2011
4:48 pm
RC,
Didn’t the Braves end up making a trade with the Twins for Scott Diamond the rule 5 guy this year?
Macdaddy8
October 27th, 2011
4:50 pm
CB, They traded Betemit to the Dodgers, and Marte to the Red Sox. I can’t think of anyone we’ve gotten from Colorado or Arizona though. Gotta be missing somebody.
raleighbravefan
October 27th, 2011
4:52 pm
Tom – I got it.
LJ
October 27th, 2011
4:52 pm
if you like the Blue Ridge Parkway, take it north to Afton Mountain, that is where the Shenandoah National Park starts. You’ll be glad you did.
raleighbravefan
October 27th, 2011
4:53 pm
Anyone not worried about rushing players…can you say “Joey Devine”?
raleighbravefan
October 27th, 2011
4:54 pm
LJ – Agree with Shenendoah.
raleighbravefan
October 27th, 2011
4:54 pm
I’m outta here til tomorrow.
CB
October 27th, 2011
4:54 pm
Macdaddy8, thanks. I should have remembered Marte at least.
TennesseePaul
October 27th, 2011
4:56 pm
That jackhole is why I had to change my handle early on in my blog days….although I like the new one.
Agreed. It has a crisp, satisfying taste. A mindset of individuality. It’s calorie-defying yet delicious with an innovative spirit. And is destined to be a part of American popular culture featured in magazines, movies, and television shows for years to come.
ncscoots
October 27th, 2011
4:57 pm
You can’t go wrong with the Shenandoah, that’s a fact. But you guys ought to get off the beaten path a little and check out the Joyce Kilmer National Forest. Totally pristine. Up near Robbinsville.
LJ
October 27th, 2011
4:57 pm
and with a moon pie–WOW
Macdaddy8
October 27th, 2011
5:01 pm
Oh yeah, we did trade Estrada to Arizona. Villareal, wow there’s a blast from the past. So, Colorado and who’s the other one? Wait… does the Mike Hampton thing count?
Snotboogie
October 27th, 2011
5:04 pm
Wait… does the Mike Hampton thing count?
He came through Florida, didnt he? Should not count in that case.
Murph
October 27th, 2011
5:06 pm
Can’t really say that Pastornicky would go the way of Joey Devine if he were to get the nod next season… very different situations with very different players.
Some guys implode, some guys succeed. You won’t know what will happen with a guy until he’s in that situation.
Efrim
October 27th, 2011
5:13 pm
Didn’t the Braves end up making a trade with the Twins for Scott Diamond the rule 5 guy this year?
Good call. Billy Bullock for Scott Diamond. Good trade by Wren too.
Efrim
October 27th, 2011
5:15 pm
So the free agency officially starts either Wednesday, November 2nd 12:00am EST or Thursday, November 3rd 12:00am EST.
Efrim
October 27th, 2011
5:17 pm
Tony La Russa was offended by what the book, “Moneyball” represented. Just even more fuel…..keep it coming, Tony.
Snotboogie
October 27th, 2011
5:18 pm
Some guys implode, some guys succeed. You won’t know what will happen with a guy until he’s in that situation.
Your idea isnt foolproof either – you seem to want to bring every decent prospect up with minimal experience just because you saw a few good numbers. There are entire groups of people scouting these players through several levels who get to predict how these kids might react to ascending through the league – empirically. I’d hazard a guess that they know slightly better than most of us.
I am not saying that Pastor wont make it to the bigs this spring, but it’s not obvious either way to us.
Murph
October 27th, 2011
5:19 pm
You can view a team-by-team trading history on Baseball Reference… pretty cool.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/trade-partners.cgi?franch_ID_1=ATL&franch_ID_2=ARI
Efrim
October 27th, 2011
5:20 pm
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7154152/draft-bonuses-last-big-issue-mlb-cba-talks
How about draft pick compensation? I think that’s more of a concern for the sport than the Rule IV draft itself. Take out Type B’s all together, I say. And eliminate ALL Type A free agents from netting a compensation selection in a Supplemental First Round. Good ideas from BA’s Jim Callis, although I’ve read others that have brought the ideas up. I hope they seriously consider that.
Murph
October 27th, 2011
5:27 pm
you seem to want to bring every decent prospect up with minimal experience just because you saw a few good numbers.
Not true at all.
I’m comparing what I know about Pastornicky to what I know about the available FA SS’s out there and, of the realistic options, don’t see any of them giving the team a better chance to win.
Experience is great. I’m not trying to undervalue it. But knowing what to do in a specific situation while not being able to physically deliver on that doesn’t exactly help the team win games.
Lew
October 27th, 2011
5:29 pm
Well, the snow started here in town, now and they’re telling us we could have a couple of inches before midnight. I guess fall really is over. But it was nice while it lasted.
Snow tires put on yesterday and they just loaded the tank with 180 gallons of heating oil (first delivery). Winter has arrived. But it makes for great maple syrup.
Murph
October 27th, 2011
5:32 pm
How does your heating system work Lew? Where does the heating oil go, to a central furnace type thing? How long will 180 gallons last you?
Lew
October 27th, 2011
5:39 pm
Murph – There’s a huge tank in the basement that holds about 200 gallons and they usually put in 120-180 gallons three times (Nov., Jan., March).It’s connected to a furnace (new one five or six years ago)
We contract for a certain number of gallons (usually 500-600) and they give us a capped price (I think about $4 something this year). If the market price is less (it is now), then we get the lower price and can fill the tank with what’s left over in April or May. We pay 11 months out of the year – June – May.
Murph
October 27th, 2011
5:46 pm
Wow Lew, that sounds pretty expensive. $2k for 500 gallons of oil… ouch.
Lew
October 27th, 2011
5:49 pm
Murph – This year, it’s $232 a month for 11 months – plus electricity (about the same) . But…….No AC.
Lew
October 27th, 2011
5:52 pm
And no traffic, no people, (and until this year no hurricanes), rarely ever a tornado lots of trees and lots of deer, bear, turkeys and even the occasional moose. Even had a Peregrine Falcon sitting on my deck a couple times.
It’s worth it.
Tom O'Hawke
October 27th, 2011
5:55 pm
I don’t think, “lots of deer”, is a selling point to Murph, Lew, but I hear ya’.
Lew
October 27th, 2011
5:58 pm
Tom – You did notice I said no people? Although two bloggers have come over to visit – UKUGA and Adirondack Dave – accompanied by assorted wives and child. Richbrave was supposed to come by, but couldn’t make it.
Tom O'Hawke
October 27th, 2011
6:11 pm
Lew, Oh… I noticed. I liked all of your pros about living in Vermont. Especially where you do.
“No people” was my favorite. That’s just what I try to do in the summer.
Murph
October 27th, 2011
6:13 pm
Moose? Yikes… that’s like deerzilla. When they get those legs kickin’, look out.
Lew, how far away are you from the things like the grocery store and gas station? I’m assuming you live out in the woods away from civilization.
It does sound really nice, but I don’t think I’d be able to handle it. I lived out in the boonies when I worked in Chicago and driving a half hour to get groceries in the snow… no thanks.
Lew
October 27th, 2011
6:19 pm
Murph – Actually, I’m only about 1.5 miles outside of town with grocery, pharmacy, Post Office, cafes, gas stations (like four of them) and even a book store. We even have a flashing yellow light (only traffic light in two counties) and Buster Olney.
Murph
October 27th, 2011
6:21 pm
Do you run in to Buster at the local book store?
How far a drive is it from where you’re at to Philly?
Tom O'Hawke
October 27th, 2011
6:24 pm
That’s nice, Lew. The convenience of civilization, without having to deal with it.
Lew
October 27th, 2011
6:28 pm
Murph – Buster did a presentation and book signing to benefit the hospital (also in town) back in the spring and I talked to him then. Met him with DOB back at spring training a few years back when we realized we lived within two or three miles of each other.
He’s doing a big talk and benefit (compelte with auction) and is bringing Theo Epstein, Brian Cashman and Peter Gammons for the talk – I think it’s at Dartmouth for flood relief in Vermont.
Lew
October 27th, 2011
6:32 pm
Philly? Not sure – I haven’t been there from here. At least five or six hours – maybe more depending on traffic – I’d probably have to either go through NY or around it – and it would take several hours just to get that far.
cabravesfan
October 27th, 2011
6:41 pm
I think my clock is broken.
cabravesfan
October 27th, 2011
6:42 pm
I could never live that removed from a city. About a week at my cabin and I start to go stir crazy and miss the smog
Murph
October 27th, 2011
6:43 pm
That’s too bad Lew… I go to Philly every summer to visit my wife’s family and would totally go to Vermont to stalk you, but that’s too far.
Tom O'Hawke
October 27th, 2011
6:44 pm
I think it was an impostor, cabravesfan.
He seemed too sober to be the real guy.
How are you?
cabravesfan
October 27th, 2011
6:48 pm
Tom-
Not bad. Could be better.
Kat
October 27th, 2011
6:50 pm
N8 @ 1:03pm
Oh you have me intrigued now about what may happen in American Horror…but I’m not going to read any future spoilers I like being surprised about the twists and turns.
Kat
October 27th, 2011
6:53 pm
Lew,
I see you’re enjoying the snow too… it wasn’t accumulating earlier here but it is now. Oh joy it’s started…winter that is.
Tom O'Hawke
October 27th, 2011
6:59 pm
Still a little under the weather, cabravesfan?
tiger297
October 27th, 2011
7:04 pm
holy late meeting batman….these folks need to shut up so I can go eat dinner
tiger297
October 27th, 2011
7:08 pm
tom – all these l8 nights for VJ is adding to her drinking time and reducing her sleeping time. its not a surprise she isn’t feeling well
David O'Brien
October 27th, 2011
7:12 pm
Headed to Phoenix for Fall League tomorrow, and for the next four days while I’m there the highs are going to be between 86 and 91 degrees, sunny every day, with lows of 61 or 62 each night.
Aight. That’ll work.
McFann O O o Get Well Soon, Nolie!!
October 27th, 2011
7:14 pm
DOB—
Dang…that’ll be different!
Do you know when they’re gonna announce Gold Gloves and Silver Sluggers?
Efrim
October 27th, 2011
7:15 pm
Monday starts Free Agency, Trades, and Prospect talk. Love the Hot Stove season….
tiger297
October 27th, 2011
7:16 pm
DOB – its a shame you cant fly your bike out there…
David O'Brien
October 27th, 2011
7:18 pm
Do you know when they’re gonna announce Gold Gloves and Silver Sluggers? — McFann
For the first of many times, I’m sure, here’s the list:
Gold Glove Awards: Tuesday, Nov. 1.
Silver Slugger Awards: Wednesday, Nov. 2.
2011 BBWAA AWARDS ANNOUNCEMENTS
Monday, Nov. 14: A.L. & N.L. Jackie Robinson Rookie of the Year Awards
Tuesday, Nov. 15: A.L. Cy Young Award
Wednesday, Nov. 16: A.L. & N.L. Manager of the Year Awards
Thursday, Nov. 17: N.L. Cy Young Award
Monday, Nov. 21: A.L. Most Valuable Player Award
Tuesday, Nov. 22: N.L. Most Valuable Player Award
Bat Masterson
October 27th, 2011
7:18 pm
Snow tires put on yesterday and they just loaded the tank with 180 gallons of heating oil (first delivery). Winter has arrived. But it makes for great maple syrup. _ Lew
Wow ………….. It was 80 degrees this afternoon. I went over to the more touristy beach area today, there were a lot of people on the beach and in the water. Tags from all over the north, snowbirds moving in for the winter.
Tom O'Hawke
October 27th, 2011
7:22 pm
tom – all these l8 nights for VJ is adding to her drinking time and reducing her sleeping time. its not a surprise she isn’t feeling well
I believe you nailed the diagnosis, Dr. tiger.
David O'Brien
October 27th, 2011
7:23 pm
DOB – its a shame you cant fly your bike out there… – tiger297
Already rented a Harley Heritage Softail for Saturday night/Sunday (they don’t play AFL games on Sundays). Gonna ride up to Prescott, Jerome and Sedona on Sunday.
tiger297
October 27th, 2011
7:29 pm
well there you go – is it nice to try out a new ride for the weekend? does it make you want to trade in your current model?
Kat
October 27th, 2011
7:35 pm
I swear I’m having a deja vu moment here on the blog… but anyways, back to the kitchen to cook. Wish I was cooking some homemade chicken soup.. that sounds good right about now with this snowfall.
Bay Area Steve
October 27th, 2011
7:37 pm
“That would be Ward’s other brother, Daryl?” – scoots
I don’t think this got the recognition it deserved. I mean, if you read Ward, and know the show, that line is frickin’ gold…
George
October 27th, 2011
7:40 pm
AHS is a great show.
Bat Masterson
October 27th, 2011
7:40 pm
Yep, BAS
That was a good line.