Braves name three new minor league coaches, manager

The Braves have added three new coaches to their minor league organization and named Aaron Holbert their new manager in Double-A Mississippi, the team announced Tuesday.

Don Long, the former Pirates hitting coach, will take over as the Braves’ minor league hitting coordinator. He spent 2008-2010 as the Pirates major league hitting coach and the eight seasons prior to that as the minor league hitting coordinator for the Phillies.

Luis Lopez, who served as a minor league hitting coach for the Red Sox for the last four seasons, will take over as the Braves’ minor league fielding coordinator. Long and Lopez join Doug Dascenzo who was named the Braves outfield and baserunning coordinator after 13 seasons in the Padres’ system.

Holbert joins the Mississippi Braves after managing in the Indians’ system for the past four seasons. Holbert was named Carolina League manager of the year last season after taking Kinston to the playoffs for the second consecutive year. He is a former first round draft pick of the St. Louis Cardinals, taken 18th overall as a shortstop in 1990.

Filling out the rest of the managerial spots in the Braves’ system: Dave Brundage (Triple-A Gwinnett) and Luis Salazar (high Single-A Lynchburg) will remain in their current positions, while Randy Ingle returns to manage low Single-A Rome after spending last season managing the Braves’ rookie league team in Danville, Va.

Jonathan Schuerholz, son of Braves president John Schuerholz, debuted as a manager for the Gulf Coast League Braves last year. He will move up to manage the rookie league Danville (Va.) Braves. Rocket Wheeler, who managed in Double-A Mississippi last year, will manage the Braves’ Gulf Coast team.

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Bobby Cox Fan Club

October 18th, 2011
6:43 pm

jch

October 18th, 2011
6:59 pm

Uhhhh… does that mean Long was responsible for the late, great Nate McClouth of pre-Braves fame?

He may come in handy!!

BravesFanSince80's

October 18th, 2011
7:27 pm

jch: hahaha, nice…

BravesFanSince80's

October 18th, 2011
7:28 pm

CR: are there any rumers circulating as to the first player move to be made?

noseknows

October 18th, 2011
7:29 pm

Who has been interviewed for hitting coach?

"Chef" Tim Dix

October 18th, 2011
7:42 pm

Love the showcasing by JS for his son. Obvious move to get him to KC, days before JS leaves the Braves and buys KC on the cheap. Gonna happen.

BravesFanSince80's

October 18th, 2011
7:49 pm

Chef: then maybe we can get headed in the right direction again finally:)

Harrison Dangler

October 18th, 2011
8:13 pm

At least they will not have to deal with Kawakami in Pearl in 2012. It would be nice if young Braves players could be schooled on fundamentals like fielding, learning the strike zone and focusing on OBP, hitting to the off-field, bunting, moving runners over, not swinging for the fences, execution in general–you know all the things most Braves kids really suck at doing.

urban redneck

October 18th, 2011
8:49 pm

how many days til spring training? i’m counting.

wow, another WS featuring two teams I have absolutely no feelings for. no one to pull for, no one to pull against. i would pull against the cards since they put us out, but we would have embarassed ourselves anyway. and every time i see the rangers, i am reminded of the worst braves trades in franchise history………..so what else is on tv? please don’t tell me i have to talk to my wife.

Hit A Single

October 18th, 2011
8:50 pm

Glenn Hubbard needs to be back in the organization. Somebody dropped the ball in his situation.

K.K. of Mississippi

October 18th, 2011
8:59 pm

Fredi? Frank?
Help K.K. Been in Mississippi so long now have southern accent.

Fan since day one in Atl

October 18th, 2011
9:00 pm

Great for you FRANK WREN>>Its damn time we got some new blood in this stale organization.
Now hire a hitting Coach for Braves from out of the system. Fire Fredi and get a manager out of system…1 WS in 50 years sucks big time..take down those damn sign…Put up WS signs starting in 2012…
You can get it done Mr. Wren. Please do it for the fans.

Ronaldus Hyattus

October 18th, 2011
9:01 pm

“Jonathan Schuerholz, son of Braves president John Schuerholz, debuted as a manager for the Gulf
Coast League Braves last year”

Those who can do. Those who can’t debut as managers in the Gulf Coast League.

Joe

October 18th, 2011
9:14 pm

JS’s son= “The good ole boy system at its best.” One of the Braves biggest problems! Bet a good ole boy gets Hitting coach job…wanna bet?

up north

October 18th, 2011
9:18 pm

I wish they would name three new major league coaches, manager.

Gordon

October 18th, 2011
9:45 pm

People who have never played competitive baseball always blame the Manager and coaches. Can spot them a mile away. People who have played baseball realize it all rests with the players. Starts with the players ends with the players. Ask any player and the answer will be what I just said.

Gordon

October 18th, 2011
9:48 pm

Managers and coaches have very little impact on major league “PROFESSIONAL” baseball players.

Joey

October 18th, 2011
9:52 pm

Gordon, what u smoking… You just won the joke of the year award.

Brother John

October 18th, 2011
9:54 pm

Gordon, maybe you should tell Joe Torre and Tony Larussa that.

Gordon

October 18th, 2011
9:54 pm

Managers and coaches get far too much credit for when things go well and Managers and coaches get far too much blame when things go bad. Every baseball player will tell you that if fans would just listen, but we live in a new “Blame Someone World”

Kentavo

October 18th, 2011
9:58 pm

They need to promote Rocket Wheeler – not have him at the lower rungs.

Gordon

October 18th, 2011
9:58 pm

Brother John Joe Torre and Tony LaRussa have always been blessed with very good baseball players. Brother John maybe you should ask Joe Torre how he did when he was the Braves manager and he was not provided with very talented players. Also I don’t recall LaRussa making the playoffs and World Series every year.

Gordon

October 18th, 2011
10:02 pm

The early professional years is when you need the most instruction and direction to learn how to be a professional. You need the least help at the highest level, MLB, because once you have reached the top of your profession where else is there to go. In other words the players are in MLB because they have learned their craft better than those that are still aspiring to get there or those that will never get there.

Gordon

October 18th, 2011
10:07 pm

Joey you just proved my point. So pick up a glove and go outside for your fist time and play the game with other boys your age. Put your Playstation down, put on some sunscreen and turn your grey skin into some color. Get some fresh air and get out of Moomy’s basement. Once you actually leave your house and really play you will change your tune.

Brother John

October 18th, 2011
10:08 pm

And what World Series team did you play on, Gordon, the All Knowing and Self Possessed One??? Enlightening those of us who cannot see…

Joey

October 18th, 2011
10:15 pm

Life is tough- even tougher if your stupid-right Gordon?

yank it to left

October 18th, 2011
10:33 pm

Maybe we can get Fredi’s hitting coach from his Florida days…who was it?

yank it to left

October 18th, 2011
10:35 pm

Gordon,
In his Atlanta years, Torre won the division in ‘82 and finished second, if memory serves in ‘83. Turner fired him.

Bob the Blogger

October 18th, 2011
10:37 pm

If John Schuerholz believed in the “good ol’ boy” system, he would have had the Braves bring up Jonathan to the majors for a cup of coffee in September 2007. Jonathan made it to AAA and that’s where his career ended. Pop could have pulled the strings and gotten Junior the call-up, but he didn’t. That leads me to think Jr really deserves his job as a manager. If he’s half as sharp as the old man, he’ll probably succeed.

yank it to left

October 18th, 2011
10:39 pm

Gordo,
one more thing…Torre, in his first year after replacing Bobby Cox, guided the team to a league record 13 straight wins to start the season.

BravesFanSince80's

October 18th, 2011
10:50 pm

ok I must’ve offended the “filter” with one particular reference. Gordon: too many good managers with proven track records of getting a lot out of a little to make those kinds of blanket statements. Just because serious fans are unhappy with the results of such a terrible ending to the season and want to see the manager go down with the ship is no indication that we don’t know baseball, stop with the sanctimonious crap man, really!

BravesFanSince80's

October 18th, 2011
10:53 pm

Just compare the last month of the season to the cardinals final month, then scrutinize the playoff games the cardinals won, Larussa vs. Gonzales is a pretty uneven matchup dontcha think? That’s what fans are saying and that’s why few have any faith in finishing big with the guy. He’s just not an upper-tier team manager, period!

afan

October 18th, 2011
11:02 pm

Gordon@10:07
That was sick kid. It said a lot about your character.

afan

October 18th, 2011
11:04 pm

agree 80’s.@ 10:53

Columbus

October 18th, 2011
11:09 pm

Is Pendleton on staff for some reason other than him being the best coach available? If so that is wrong. I thought Hubbard did a great job. But I definitely am not close to the situation. I do know we need a good hitting coach. Where is Clarence Jones? We need more speed for sure. If not Constanza, somebody. Speed=runs and more oppurtunity. Braves fan since the 80’s, I am a fan since the 70’s. Dont rush to judgement. Fredi has some good qualities. I would have benched Heyward more in favor of Constanza more than he did. But otherwise, I think he did a very good job and the jury is still out. Obviously Schuerhoz does not agree with you and he knows more about baseball than both of us and more than all the people in this state put together. I trust his judgement more than my own thats for sure and thats not an easy thing to do because I know baseball well.

BravesFanSince80's

October 18th, 2011
11:21 pm

I don’t trust anybody making millions upon millions of dollars more than I trust myself, about anything, especially something I’m passionate about sir…

BravesFanSince80's

October 18th, 2011
11:24 pm

While we’re on the subject of Fredi Gonzales though, give me something tangible that he did that helped the team. Anything at all. Looked to me like he sat in the dugout, rarely left his seat, shuffled the lineup way too much, mismanaged the pitching staff all year long, sat quietly as dp after dp was hit into, inning after inning ended with a runner stranded at first base… So, I’m curious here, other than polishing that one particular spot on the bench to fine shine with the seat of his pants, what did Fredi Gonzales do so well in your opinion sir?

afan

October 18th, 2011
11:58 pm

JS knows more than all the people in this state about baseball?????? Are you crazy?

braves fan forever

October 19th, 2011
12:13 am

Hey pepole chill.Let the world series get over first.I am happy that the yankees and the phillies didn’t make it.I don’t care who wins it now.

Gordon

October 19th, 2011
1:01 am

BravesFanSince80’s
CR: are there any rumers circulating as to the first player move to be made?

Lmao did you have your mommy write and spell your other posts? That is the rumer that is going around. Lol thanks for the laugh big boy. Now go to bed

Gordon

October 19th, 2011
1:08 am

I guess I hit a nerve. All the playstation baseball wannabes attacked right on cue. The real baseball players are reading along laughing at you athletes lol. Hey it’s your dream keep fighting the good fight and believe Managers and Coaches are the real reason teams win. Players have nothing to do with it right? Unbelievable

Gordon

October 19th, 2011
1:11 am

Brother John
And what World Series team did you play on, Gordon, the All Knowing and Self Possessed One??? Enlightening those of us who cannot see…

I played until I was 34 and injury forced me to quit. What McDonalds do you work out All condescending and ignorant one?

These People Here Are Crazy

October 19th, 2011
1:13 am

Gordon, just give up. I can’t even understand why the AJC allows posting to continue on here. The so-called “Braves fans” here must be from Philly or N.Y. I’ve never heard such stupidity on a baseball blog before. In fact, I’d be willing to say most of the posters here aren’t even out of school yet, and have never held a real job. They don’t understand what’s it’s like working in the real world. They want people fired constantly. They claim David O’Brien can’t do his job. Let THEM go work for the AJC and go interview some of the people in the Braves organization. Then let them ask their stupid questions. See how long *they* would get to work for this website! So, don’t waste your breathe on these “baseball geniuses”!

NickB

October 19th, 2011
2:01 am

Gordon, Gordon, Gordon…… Your are wrong, and you sound like a smug angry wanna be jock to boot. The kind I have to bounce out the door of my bar every weekend. Too many mgr’s and coaches have a trail of success (Don Baylor as a hitting coach for example ) for the coaches to have no impact. True they can’t hit or pitch for the players, but they do create the philosophy of hitting, or pitching or baserunning…etc If the Braves had a hitting coach who espoused getting on base over flailing away hyper-aggressively, the team would’ve made the playoffs. If Fredi had not over used his Bullpen (and in strange ways) maybe their arms wouldn’t have started to fall off in September.

Yes the players play the games, but to say that coaches have no effect is just dumb. Maybe they didn’t to you, cuz maybe you were an uncoachable jerk.

Arkie

October 19th, 2011
7:26 am

I agree with NickB. If JS is so smart why have much of our talent been traded for over the hill has beens or one year renters. Great teams start with great organizations down thru the players. Managers have a great impact on games won and lost. Bobby Cox would always leave a pitcher in to long when it was evident that he had run out of gas. when to hit and run, steal a base, etc can manufacture runs and win games. Its a total team effort top to bottom to build championship teams. Even the right chemistry is very important. Players win games, absolutely – but they have and need help.

dogman

October 19th, 2011
7:53 am

I read on the Braves website that watching the world series was going to be tough for some braves players and have to watch 3 former braves playing in the world series for the 2ND STRAIGHT SEASON. The article stated that if the braves had not included such talent as Andrus, Harrison, and Feliz in that lopsided trade the rangers may not be in the world series. I agree with this analysis. I am rooting for the rangers who managed to make this slick trade with the braves as well as other trades they made to get the lineup they have. The braves were just stupid for giving up what they did for a Tex rental and everybody in the world knew it was just a rental except John S. I guess he was just stupid enough to think that Tex would even consider staying in Atlanta when everyone else knew he wouldn’t. The braves didn’t fare any better with Tex and they would have a good shortstop and another good left handed pitcher as well as well as a good closer in case they needed another closer if they hadn’t made this lopsided stupid trade. I was a diehard braves fan until this trade and now I couldn’t care less if they never win another pennant. I hadn’t been to a game since this trade and have no plans to go to another game. By the way another player who was in the trade will probably be the #1 catcher for Boston and I think if the braves had kept Salty he certainly would have been more of a threat down the stretch than McCann was but the stupid management threw him into the mix too. Go Rangers!

BravesFanSince80's

October 19th, 2011
8:11 am

GordonForCommissioner: go back to your Little league team that you coach in the evenings and stop whining because you can’t get 9 year olds to listen to your boring pro-baseball stories, we are all entitled to our opinions, and I just love you guys who jump on people’s SPELLING AND GRAMMAR on a blog, do you really think that anybody else on here actually agrees with you or cares about such trivialities? Audacity rears its ugly head, jeez…

BravesFanSince80's

October 19th, 2011
8:17 am

I can handle most of the weird moves Fredi made if he’d just showed some effort to move runners every once in awhile, he acted like he didn’t think most of the team capable of bunting when called upon to do so, therefore he consciously chose not to try it and instead gave guys the likes of Alex Gonzalez an attempt to move the runners with a base hit! Look at his stats, that is a pretty low percentage likelihood I can assure you!

TC

October 19th, 2011
8:20 am

Played for Rocket Wheeler many years ago….great coach…hope he stays in the organization for a long, long time.

BravesFanSince80's

October 19th, 2011
8:24 am

GordonForCommissioner: you really made that big a deal out of the mispelling of “rumor”? Really? Wow, excellent put-down there, my wittle feewings sure is hurt, boo hoo hoo…

Gordon's brother

October 19th, 2011
8:31 am

Sorry y’all. Gordon hasn’t been the same since he got hit with that foul ball. Come home, Gordon…mom says dinner is ready.

BravesFanSince80's

October 19th, 2011
8:41 am

These people here are crazy: why do guys like you even respond on here? If you don’t like what you’re reading, go find something else to read, it’s as simple as that. I for one am a 31 yr old husband and father of two boys, my wife and I struggle to keep the wolves of the “real world” as you call it at bay on a daily basis. It’s absolutely ridiculous of you to even compare folks like us to the over-paid over-stuffed ego world of proffessional sports in the first place man. If millionaire athletes and coaches can’t be held accountable for their job performances then who the hell should be? You just argued yourself into a corner on that one!

dap01

October 19th, 2011
8:52 am

JS made several bone headed trades. The Tex trade cemented his legacy as a GM.

BravesFanSince80's

October 19th, 2011
8:56 am

I’ll take JS over FW any day, the Tex trade notwithstanding, FW has made 3 such moves since he’s been here in far fewer years. Every GM makes a bad move every several years, even good ones, but FW has made too many to justify his job anymore. The three I’m talking about are Kawakami, McClouth, and Lowe. Those three are pretty tough to explain given how they’ve played out and don’t anybody throw that crap about Lowe being the only FA available at the time back at me, no move was better than that move, regardless of how bad our rotation was at the time.

coach13

October 19th, 2011
9:27 am

Gordon is right in some aspects. There is less “coaching” that goes on at that level then say at the high school level. That’s why they are called “managers”, they manage the game. It’s up to the manager to still call hit and run’s and make moves in the bullpen though. He and his coaching staff have to know who to get up in the pen based on who is coming up for the other team. It’s alot of managing egos in the locker room. It’s different than coaching in high school and college but they still have a hand in it.

There is a big difference in managing in New York than there is in Tampa Bay for sure. Lot more egos, less talent, etc. HOwever a team full of young, athletic players, ie. Kanas City and Tampa would be fun to magage.

If NY can pick up a little more pitching they could be unstoppable. With Gardner, Cano, Granderson, and Texiera at the top of that lineup??? WOW!!!

Heathcliff Slocum

October 19th, 2011
9:28 am

Interesting back and forth about managers – two mentioned above are headed for the Hall of Fame – Torre and LaRussa along, of course, with Cox. Would have liked to seen one of baseball’s truly nice men, Jim Leyland win the Series this year as that would have cemented his induction which may happen anyway.

BravesFanSince80's

October 19th, 2011
9:36 am

coach13: who here gives a S H I T about the Yankees lineup?

Pascual

October 19th, 2011
9:39 am

my thoughts exactly BFS80’s!

Pascual

October 19th, 2011
9:40 am

that’s about the same as going on a Tarheels blog to talk Duke basketball!

BravesFanSince80's

October 19th, 2011
10:21 am

Ron Washington seems pretty nice to me, he’s always been well thought of, drug problem or not…

dap01

October 19th, 2011
10:23 am

Adam Wainright – JD (Boras Client) Drew – dumb

BravesFanSince80's

October 19th, 2011
10:29 am

I may be remembering wrong, but I remember that one differently, I remember Drew saying that he really liked Atlanta and could see himself playing out his career there. At the time I don’t think it appeared that it would be a “rental” situation…

joekill

October 19th, 2011
10:30 am

coaching matters in any sport people come on now

BravesFanSince80's

October 19th, 2011
10:34 am

agreed joekill, I just refreshed my memory of Adam Wainrght’s time in our organization, he was at AA the year of the trade and hadn’t exactly blown anybody away at that point, in fact, he pitched pretty poorly for a couple years in AAA for the Cardinals and didn’t really develop into a front of the rotation type guy until a couple years into MLB, so that move looks a lot worse in hindsight than it did at the time. It sucks that they got the better of us, I agree, but that one could’ve happened to any GM.

BravesFanSince80's

October 19th, 2011
10:45 am

the deals Wren have made are far harder to figure out. KK for example, history has shown that with one glaring exception, Japanese players are an unknown quantity until they prove themselves against MLB competition, so paying him that kind of money in that scenario was pretty stupid. I remember thinking that at the time of the trade, the Pirates seemed awfully eager to unload Nate McClouth and was sceptical at best. Lowe, well 17 losses this year say all that has to be said there…

don

October 19th, 2011
11:24 am

Schuerholz to manage Danville? Wonder how rthat happened?

bill

October 19th, 2011
11:25 am

Ok we all now know that all that matters is the players. What player moves are we making to not be affected by Fredi?

phil

October 19th, 2011
11:35 am

Fire FG or face a nearly empty stadium next season….

That’s my hope anyway.

billmaier

October 19th, 2011
12:06 pm

bill-bring in all the talent you want– bourn- and then have a manager that does not hit and run with him in crucial situations or steal and the result inning killing d.p. or he makes it to third on a single and does not score look at how much larussa hits and runs even with molina– not have bourn bunt more etc– then bring up a talent like teheran let him pitch one game and give up 5 hits and one run– and then with the season on the line all of september let lowe pitch instead– –bring up a talent like vizciano– let him go 4 straight outings- and give up no runs in relief– and then set him for 15 straight days for no reason when you are using linebrink instead, let linebrink pitch in a must win game– season on the line- when you have other choices– these are just a few examples of how a good manager makes a difference– of many this season– and for the gordon who thinks you need to play baseball to know a manger makes no difference– is ridiculous– i played baseball we missed one game going to start tournament in eight grade– from a real good manger– in high school we stunk have four different manger in fours year none new what they were doing all were basketball coaches coaching baseball the equal of a mediocre base coach trying to mange– ie fredi g

The Truth....

October 19th, 2011
12:30 pm

Hey, all this doesn’t matter…Just keep buying those tickets! Hahahhaa That’s all they care ’bout!

phil

October 19th, 2011
12:49 pm

No, don’t buy those tickets….

Stay home and watch it on TV….until they fire FG.

Ken Stallings

October 19th, 2011
1:20 pm

The Gulf Coast Braves finished last season dead last in their league’s North Division, with a 24-34 record. Yet, their manager gets a promotion!

It is always bad to hire a son of the team’s president because regardless of performance it brings up questions of nepotism. But, when the son’s performance is poor, and he is promoted anyway, the questions are no longer questions, but become troubling actions.

DawgDad

October 19th, 2011
1:26 pm

LaRussa is a good manager, no doubt, but he was aided in the cause by a serious of late-season player additions. Much of the year the Cardinals battled the Pujols injury, endured a shallow pitching staff, plugged in sub-par players at shortstop, and suffered from a terrible tendency to hit into double-plays.

Bourn’s impact on the Braves was more than offset by the failings and shortcomings of other veterans: McCann, Uggla, AGon, Prado, and Lowe in particular. That’s not all on Freddi; I think most of us would have plugged Prado into the number two spot with Uggla in the middle and suffered a similar fate. Uggla is perplexing; how can a guy hit that well for 30-odd days and that horrifically bad for the rest of the year?

In the end the Cardinals had big-name players who got the job done; the Braves and Phillies big guys did not get the job done. The Braves collapse was truly devastating, though; they beat themselves moreso than they got beat by the other teams. Perhaps these guys can rebound and hit more consistently and situationally, and compete for a full year. They did not leave us with much room for optimism in that regard.

BravesFanSince80's

October 19th, 2011
1:43 pm

Ugly Dan hit like Ugly Dan has always hit, in streaks. He hits a little better when the schedule favors him (i.e. he faces a bunch of back of the rotation guys and poor pitching staffs in general) where he sees more “mistake” pitches elevated over the plate that he can get around on. The rest of the time, good pitching keeps him off balance swinging wildly and generally looking like the horse’s A S S that he is at the plate. Shame though, he plays hard:)

dap01

October 19th, 2011
2:38 pm

JS Jr. was drafted because of his name and not alot else.

dap01

October 19th, 2011
2:40 pm

All Boras clients say the same things but they are all prostitutes of Boras. JD Drew and Texeria are prime examples. JD Drew has done less but has been paid more than almost anyone.

dogman

October 19th, 2011
3:23 pm

I totally agree with dap01 above. They all say they love the City they play in and would love to stay there but that is simply a decoy. Tex said his wife loved Atlanta and he went to school in Georgia and always thought of playing for the braves and hoped in Atlanta when him and his money hungry agent knew neither him or Drew would stay. I seen in the paper yesterday where CC is trying to get his 4 year remaining contract and 92 million dollars renewed for more money. The Yankees should tell him to jump in the first lake he sees. I don’t think another club would be crazy enough to give the fat man 92 million dollars for 4 years but you never know. If the Yankees renew his contract I hope they get stuck like they did with A Rod.

dogman

October 19th, 2011
3:25 pm

Oops. I meant to say he hoped to stay in Atlanta not hoped in Atlanta.

Talls

October 19th, 2011
3:31 pm

@ BravesFanSince80’s : All of FW’s deals that you mentioned were in his first year. Since then, he’s made some great ones, including bourne for none of our top prospects, Uggla for a very low price (even though he wasn’t good the first half, this trade was still amazing that he pulled it off). He has gotten better & put together a team that was one of the best this year. Just got overused & collapsed – that’s what happened. Overall, he’s done a good job & his biggest mistakes are coming off the books this year (McClouth & KK) & next year (Lowe – if he isn’t traded or released). He’s much better to have than some of the other GMS in baseball: Balt., KC, Houston, Cubs (old GM), Mariners, who have perrenial losers even though Sea & Cubs have bigger payrolls

Mike#1

October 19th, 2011
3:46 pm

Keep it going and switch out the big team’s manager, too.

NickB

October 19th, 2011
4:38 pm

KK – that’s on the scouts, but considering that the Braves had to pay a very tiny posting fee for him, his annual contract isn’t that bad.

Mclouth- 2 good years back to back, silver slugger winner the prior season… it’s not the GM’s fault he got here and stank it up.

Lowe- Overpaid? yes, but considering his peripherals show he was very unlucky last season he hasn’t been as bad as people think… but I know I know, most of you don’t understand FIP and the like

The good things FW has done- JJ trade from Tigers, Uggla trade for basically nothing, Stealing Bourn from the Astros. Not going crazy and signin anyone to multi year $100 mill contracts…. Most teams would be happy to have our GM. Go look at some of their blogs and you will really hear some ranting. Most teams aren’t even gonna have a winning record. Considering the payroll limitations of our crappy ownership, I don’t see how ANY GM could’ve been expected to do better.

NickB

October 19th, 2011
4:39 pm

Oh and btw, bunting baserunners over is a horrible way to score runs. It doesn’t work unless it’s bottom of the 9th and you need a run to win or tie (or the pitcher is batting). Small ball is a myth. The numbers bear this out to be true.

NickB

October 19th, 2011
4:44 pm

and one more thing, trades really need to be judged when they occur. It’s easy to go back in hindsight and whine and moan because a prospect developed and they player you got in the deal underperformed. But that’s dishonest fandom really.

Take the Tex trade. It seems terrible now because of Feliz and Andrus.. etc playing well. But it was also terrible at the time because the Braves were not one big bat from the WS. They were a closer , a starter and a big bat from the WS. If Tex had been THE PIECE that put the team over the top, the trade would’ve made sense (even if the Braves lost the WS and the players all developed).

I don’t think Mclouth was a bad trade because we NEEDED a CF’er and got a good one for not much as the Pirates needed to move his $$$. The fact he underperformed was not a predictable scenario. But the trade itself , filled a need the team had at the time. The fact that he stank it up lies with Mclouth not with the GM.

Gordon

October 19th, 2011
8:18 pm

Bravesfansince80’s I am so effing tired of your wife complaint about you night after night that I have decided to quit letting her come by my apartment anymore and NickB tell me where your bar is and I will stop by and give you that chance. It took 5 guys at the last bar to try and throw me out. Get a dentist sonny

Bubba

October 19th, 2011
8:22 pm

Gordan is sitting next to me and pray he never finds you. Stick to baseball talk and you deserve everything you get by attacking him

afan

October 19th, 2011
11:15 pm

Cards win 1st game of WS 3-2…………Cards vote to give Fredi share of WS money.

NickB

October 20th, 2011
3:30 am

Gordon ….yer the one who came on here being a d-bag…. You are probably 15 years old and at your mom’s computer. real tough men don’t go online and talk tough. I live in Mississippi, and I have people who do the bouncing for me. I’m a little too old to be engaging in bar shenanigans.

If you really played pro ball til age 34 and you now come on DOB’s blog and yell childish proclamations at people…. Man, that’s a sad existence to have….

BravesFanSince80's

October 20th, 2011
9:02 am

Gordon: spare me the personal stuff you insolent T W A T!
NickB: I disagree with just about every bit of that latest stuff you posted, small ball BEAT US IN SEVERAL OF THE GAMES WE LOST TO MISS THE POST SEASON MAN! Go back and look at the Florida series down there with the exception of the walk off home run obviously. Small ball is a myth? Tell that to Tony Larussa, if he didn’t employ small ball tactics, they wouldn’t be in the WS! Come on man, most of what you write has way more merit than that! Don’t go out on such a shaky limbs as that if you say you’re getting too old for bar shenanigans, you can’t afford such a fall as that. Small ball is a myth! Ha!

BravesFanSince80's

October 20th, 2011
9:10 am

go back and look at Nate McLouth’s stats prior to coming to Atlanta. He was never all that good, had one year (perhaps unnaturally enhanced, hmmm) where he hit a glaring number of home runs compared to the rest of his career, but his BA and OBP have NEVER been impressive. He was a classic example of one of those Franceour type players who experience success early until pitchers figure him out and then he’s a bench player at best. We have the current MLB leading example of that sitting our bench right now (Hinske) and before some of you get up in arms about that statement, go look at his stats, his rookie year is still his best year to date.

The Dogfather

October 20th, 2011
9:35 am

Rocket Wheeler is a diamond in the rough. He is a loyal Brave.Was mot surprised to see him go to the gulf. Watch how his team will do this year. He always produces winners. (HE SMOKED EVERYONE WHEN HE WAS IN ROME). Mr. Wren and coach cox –don’t let him get away–It would be great to see him in the ATL–Cause that is where he belongs!

BravesFanSince80's

October 20th, 2011
9:40 am

Bubba? and you want us to listen to you?

BravesFanSince80's

October 20th, 2011
10:45 am

I watched some Myrtle Beach games a few years ago when Rocket managed there, thought he was a class act and seemed to run his team well, hopefully he’ll hang around…

alex

October 20th, 2011
11:09 am

Goodness,where’s gordon been for the season,incarcerated I presume.Either that or he’s/she’s lobo’s alter ego..

longshot151

October 20th, 2011
2:46 pm

Columbus (@11:09) But Schuerhoz doesn’t know more about baseball than all the people in the state of Texas, who pulled his pants down in the Texiera trade.

jim

October 20th, 2011
3:01 pm

Dawg,

The Braves went 0 – 9 against the Phillies and Cardinals in September, and won only 1 game all year against the Cards. They had a good series against an injury plagued Giant team in Augt. and played well against the DBacks, but aside from that week, they played 500 ball against everybody not named the Phillies and Cards after the 4th of July and won 1 game in 12 in that span against those 2 teams. To say they beat themselves more than the other teams beat them only suggests that they need to schedule the Braves more often. ,

longshot151

October 20th, 2011
3:04 pm

NickB (@4:44) Nice post. You know some baseball.

longshot151

October 20th, 2011
3:10 pm

afan (@11:15) Fredi deserves a full share.

NickB

October 20th, 2011
8:00 pm

Bravesfan- I just posted an argument on a braves blog that pretty much PROVES that OBP is the most important thing a team can do offensively. I listed the top 4 teams in each league in OBP, and they were all in the top 5 of teams in runs. I went to my birth year (1973) did the smae thing, same results. In fact in the live ball era… It all works out that way. Getting on base and avoiding outs is what scores runs. Not wasting outs via sacrifice bunts and weak ground balls to the right side advancing the runner. Now these outs are better than outs that do nothing sure, but making an out should NEVER be the goal of a hitter unless it’s a 9th inning type of one run situation or the pitcher is hitting.

If you got 4 lead off men on per game, to score 4 runs using “small ball” not only would you still require another hit ,you would also require 2 other players to perfectly accomplish their bunts and sac flies/ hit to the right side.

In closing, teams that score runs, get people on base and hit HR’s and doubles. Since the live ball era this is how the best offensive teams score. The Braves were only good at hitting HR’s, not so good at getting on base, hence they sucked at scoring runs.

afan

October 20th, 2011
9:08 pm

Don’t be surprised to see Jose Reyes sign with Nationals next year.

Pete Mackanin, one of Phillie coaches may be new Boston Manager.

NickB

October 20th, 2011
9:54 pm

Good let the Nats be burdened with all these high $$$ contracts from underperforming and/or injured players for years to come. Seriosuly, look at Reyes’ history!! He;s been a good SS for about 4 years with one year of being great, then ALL OF A SUDDEN it’s his contract year and he plays AMAZINGLY? I’m suspicious. I wouldn’t want one off those contract players on the Braves.

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