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nolie
October 17th, 2011
9:22 pm
The HUGE elephant in the room that no one is talking about with any degree of clarity is the morrass that is the Atlanta Braves since Frank Wren took over. Poor signings, poor trades
prolly not getting all that much talk cause it isn’t really true as far as most are concerned
Efrim
October 17th, 2011
9:26 pm
It would be really nice if Salcedo would show us something for an entire season pretty soon
If he doesn’t in 2012, then it is probably time to get concerned. I guess the good thing is that he won’t turn 21 until 7/31 next summer….however you have to produce at some point.
MiaBchNOTBravesFan
October 17th, 2011
9:28 pm
Nolie, read my 9:20; we’ll be lucky if Salcedo becomes the second Andy Marte!
jim
October 17th, 2011
9:28 pm
I doubt if Salcedo makes the top 10. — for sure Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino, Simmons, Pastornicky then other possibilities are Terdoslavich, Graham, Gilmartin, LaStella, and Cunningham
nolie
October 17th, 2011
9:29 pm
I still caint get over the fact that Robert is paying to sponsor the Bobby Cox page @ BaseballReference just so he can put nasty remarks on it. How sad is that???
McFann O O o
October 17th, 2011
9:31 pm
MiaBchNOTBravesFan to a lesser extent, Javy Lopez and Brian McCann
Wh—Hey!…
nolie
October 17th, 2011
9:32 pm
could be MiaBchNOTBravesFan. Too early to be sure, but it would be nice to see some lasting improvement. Best I can say right now is that he is still young.
Marte was a disappointment no doubt, at least until we dealt him in a good trade
tiger297
October 17th, 2011
9:32 pm
1700 NM from peachtree city to santa monica – 100 knots per hour = 17 hour flight time. 300 NM legs so 6 1 hour stops = 23 hours. Have I said this b4 – man I need a faster plane.
Couch Tater
October 17th, 2011
9:33 pm
He batted an incredible nation-leading .525 (114-for-217) as a junior, was voted the 1983 College “Player of the Year” by Baseball America, and led the team in hits (114), doubles (31), total bases (180) and slugging percentage (.829) during his record-setting campaign.
http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/021810aab.html
I remember Dave Magadan’s incredible year at The University of Alabama. The article is about his election to the College Baseball HOF, last year. It would be nice to see him come back to the South as the Brave’s Hitting Coach.
nolie
October 17th, 2011
9:34 pm
get a Lear
tiger297
October 17th, 2011
9:35 pm
or find a closer person…where is Mcfann?
nolie
October 17th, 2011
9:35 pm
always was kinduva Magadan fan. c’mon back Dave
tiger297
October 17th, 2011
9:36 pm
I’ll get some h8 mail for that one
nolie
October 17th, 2011
9:36 pm
prolly about 1650NM closer to you than cab
Efrim
October 17th, 2011
9:36 pm
I understand Terdoslavich and La Stella had big years, but neither player has very much defensive ability and Joey T was a 22 year old in the Carolina League, which is kinda old. I’d rank Salcedo over both of em based on ceiling.
tiger297
October 17th, 2011
9:38 pm
prolly a good estimate…although I have to go around ATL’s class B so maybe only 1640 closer
nolie
October 17th, 2011
9:39 pm
I’m not all that familiar with LaStella. numbers looked promising.
Nothing I’ve read about Terd from outside the Braves org paints him as a real hot prospect
Efrim
October 17th, 2011
9:39 pm
J.R. Graham, Joey T, Cunningham, La Stella and Ahmed are solid to have in 11-20 range, though.
jim
October 17th, 2011
9:39 pm
Salcedo may have athletecism and range (for 3B anyway), but so far a ton of errors
BravesFanSince80's
October 17th, 2011
9:40 pm
N8: you don’t think Murphy would have contributed on the ‘91 team after so many years of crappy teams and finally a shot at post-season glory? hogwash, we’re talking hypotheticals here anyway, spare me the statistical data. F— Lonnie Smith and the horse he rode in on!
nolie
October 17th, 2011
9:41 pm
yeah Salcedo taking a run at Chipper’s Braves’ minor league errors records
tiger297
October 17th, 2011
9:41 pm
I have a Prado question – not trying to trade him just curious about something. His offense is about average for LF (is that right I’m not sure) but above average at 2B. For the $5M he will likely make in 2012 wouldn’t he be a better value as someone else’s 2B as opposed to our LF?
cabravesfan
October 17th, 2011
9:41 pm
tiger-
If you leave now you can be here by tomorrow night and VJ is working late again…and there is a municipal airport literally 3 minutes from my house that I bet you could use…a lot closer than Santa Monica
jim
October 17th, 2011
9:42 pm
Who were the 6 teams that spent less than the Braves?
tiger297
October 17th, 2011
9:43 pm
nolie – single season or career? Cause if he don’t get better quickly I think career will surely be in the rearview.
Efrim
October 17th, 2011
9:43 pm
I’m not all that familiar with LaStella. numbers looked promising.
I hear good bat speed and would be a legit hot prospect if anyone thought he could stick at 2nd base. I think his future is in left field though, and I’m not sure if the bat will play there. Still early, but he’ll be in Lynchburg next year as a 23 year old – gonna have to keep raking.
nolie
October 17th, 2011
9:45 pm
I think at this point you hafta give Prado the benefit of the doubt and assume that if you want an upgrade you need to find a LFer who will hit 850-ish and cost less. Can we do that?
Joey M
October 17th, 2011
9:45 pm
I would like to see a package where we bundle some money with Derek Lowe to Texas for Michael Young, the last 2 years on his contract, and an extension. Young plays SS for us next year, than third base in 2013 when Chipper retires. As far as hitting coach, Andres Gallaraga. These 2 moves will fix so many issues. The bullpen can be replenished thru the minors. Maybe 1 journeyman arm that used to close to round out the pen. I like our chances with that team.
tiger297
October 17th, 2011
9:47 pm
hmmm so if I triangulate trader joe’s and small airports wonder if I can narrow it down lol –
issue is my little one is in town and no offense but 3 days away from him to bring you chocolate covered potato chips might be a bit much for me
Efrim
October 17th, 2011
9:48 pm
His offense is about average for LF (is that right I’m not sure) but above average at 2B. For the $5M he will likely make in 2012 wouldn’t he be a better value as someone else’s 2B as opposed to our LF?
Guess we’ll find out. I know a team like the Yankees would love to have him so they can play him around the diamond and get their regulars some rest. Despite the bad year, Martin still has some good value given his versatility.
Who were the 6 teams that spent less than the Braves?
White Sox are one, without me even looking. That’s an annual occurrence.
jim
October 17th, 2011
9:48 pm
How much money would we have to bundle with Derek Lowe to get Michael Young ? The National debt? the Greek bailout?
nolie
October 17th, 2011
9:48 pm
if you mean Chipper errors tiger, both his single season and career might be safe.
single season 56, career 151
Efrim
October 17th, 2011
9:50 pm
I think at this point you hafta give Prado the benefit of the doubt and assume that if you want an upgrade you need to find a LFer who will hit 850-ish and cost less. Can we do that?
I don’t think so, which is why he should stay and get reg. at bats in LF. The bench needs to be deepened and the starters have to get healthy. If Wren can unload Derek, then great. Quiet offseason, imo. More quiet then it’s been in years.
jim
October 17th, 2011
9:51 pm
A journey man arm that used to close to round out the pen.
that sounds like George Sherrill.
McFann O O o
October 17th, 2011
9:51 pm
What’s this about me…?
nolie
October 17th, 2011
9:53 pm
Young can no longer play short adequately on a daily basis. He hasn’t played short since 2008 and was ranked near the bottom for several years b4 that.
Efrim
October 17th, 2011
9:53 pm
You know who looks like he might become a 4th outfielder – Mycal Jones. Be nice if he can get better with the glove. Came out of nowhere and increased his walk rate this year. Will be 25 years old in May of next year. Part of the “funny” bad 2009 draft.
tiger297
October 17th, 2011
9:54 pm
cab – for the record I just looked near the water and saw torrance and santa monica and just picked one of them…about as deep as my stalking goes
nolie
October 17th, 2011
9:54 pm
projects better than Georgie?
MiaBchNOTBravesFan
October 17th, 2011
9:55 pm
With all dues respect to Brian McCann, and all the female Javy Lopez lovers out there, Javy and Brian are not ‘Druw & Chip in their prime (’cept for Javy’s “monster” walk year – PED’s anyone?).
nolie
October 17th, 2011
9:55 pm
don’t worry cab. tiger is too lazy to be a stalker.
tiger297
October 17th, 2011
9:57 pm
nolie – why a LF? why not a corner outfielder and play Heyward in the other corner assuming we would keep heyward for his potential upside/marketing(again I have no idea if there is a corner outfielder that can give you 850 for less just talking – how is that guy in KC doing
)
McFann O O o
October 17th, 2011
9:57 pm
With all dues respect to Brian McCann, and all the female Javy Lopez lovers out there…
What about the Brian McCann lovers…?
jim
October 17th, 2011
9:57 pm
Why do you want a quiet off season.
This team went 0 – 9 in the last month of the season against Philly and St Louis. We also lost the home series against St Louis earlier and have been killed by them the last 2 years. We have lost 11 out of 12 against Philly over the last 2 years in the last 2 series f the year. I think people on the blog think the team is a lot better than it really is.
MiaBchNOTBravesFan
October 17th, 2011
9:57 pm
If Fredi is still going to pull starters at five, he’s gonna have to ask Frankie-boy to do a HELLUVA LOT better than a George Sherrill and Scott Linebrink!
cabravesfan
October 17th, 2011
9:58 pm
tiger-
Your loss…
MiaBchNOTBravesFan
October 17th, 2011
10:00 pm
If Brian McCann had a better lineup around him, he would not have to play as often, be fresher for the end of the season, and would be a more productive player, so I am a fan, McFann.
The Braves’ lineup just make him look bad.
cabravesfan
October 17th, 2011
10:00 pm
Ok, my last comment on the Harbaugh/Schwartz issue…Schwartz said after the game that he didn’t expect to hear an obscenity at that moment, but you can clearly see on the clip they showed just now on ESPN that he mouthed “what the [expletive deleted]” at Harbaugh…:roll:
nolie
October 17th, 2011
10:00 pm
gotta agree with that one MBNBF
tiger297
October 17th, 2011
10:02 pm
nolie – he has 82 through 2 seasons 47 last year in only 119 games that is 51 if he plays 130 games (is that too many to project?) so not far off single season pace and if he has 1 1/2 left in the minors I think career is a lock.
the things we can discuss here LOL
nolie
October 17th, 2011
10:02 pm
nolie – why a LF? why not a corner outfielder and play Heyward in the other corner assuming we would keep heyward for his potential
because a LFer is prolly cheaper than a RFer of equal hitting ability
nolie
October 17th, 2011
10:13 pm
but a reasonable corner guy would be fine, You are right Jason could play left. Whatever Frank can find
McFann O O o
October 17th, 2011
10:13 pm
MiaBchNOTBravesFan—
I see what you’re trying to say…but our lineup just had a baaad hiccup this past season—it’ll be better in 2012.
And BMac will have a much better time of it for the entire year this time!
McFann O O o
October 17th, 2011
10:20 pm
Did I break it…?
cabravesfan
October 17th, 2011
10:21 pm
by the way, tiger-
You can always bring the kid. How old is he?
TnBrian
October 17th, 2011
10:21 pm
Teheran or Delgado, Prado and throw in a half decent prospect for Justin Upton.
Bat Masterson
October 17th, 2011
10:21 pm
I still caint get over the fact that Robert is paying to sponsor the Bobby Cox page @ BaseballReference just so he can put nasty remarks on it. How sad is that??? _ nolie
That goes way beyond sad if you ask me. I want to say it’s borderline sick, but I don’t think it’s borderline. I mean that strikes me as honestly to god mentally unwell.
I can’t believe that is all over Cox’s management of the team. But, then again, I guess it could be like those celebrity stalkers that think so and so famous person loves them. Just stone crazy
TnBrian
October 17th, 2011
10:24 pm
Yeah I think that’s what Wren needs to do. Get Upton and put him in the 3 spot while Chippy can bat 2nd until he breaks something, then put Jason there.
cabravesfan
October 17th, 2011
10:25 pm
Robert is the reverse Lindsay Lohan- she thinks everyone else is responsible for her problems, and Robert thinks Bobby is responsible for everyone else’s problems…
nolie
October 17th, 2011
10:25 pm
we have several OCD posters here. Robert, Shaun, Ivan, etc. but that is a really unhealthy sign.
Joey M
October 17th, 2011
10:25 pm
I would think that $5 million and Lowe to Texas would entice them. Young has 2 more years left on his current deal and Texas wants to sign a top tier pitcher. That would free them up. Worst case scenario, they would work out a settlement with Lowe that would probably be near $7 million. Win – Win scenario. And I would take Young’s overall body of work at short with or without the range issues at Short.
keylargo
October 17th, 2011
10:25 pm
Chuck Knobloch was a rookie in the 91 World Series and Lonnie Smith was a 13 year veteran. It might have been a little easier to take if it were the other way around.
David O'Brien
October 17th, 2011
10:25 pm
For anyone wondering about Jurrjens (knee) or Hanson (shoulder), agent Scott Boras told me neither needs surgery, ’scope or otherwise, this winter. Which is what we expected, what team indicated, but just checked with him to make sure.
Moe Berg
October 17th, 2011
10:26 pm
Thought of Murph tonight coming home from a late-night meeting. There were deer everywhere. Mostly they hung on the edge of the road staring ominously at me. Then, when I thought I was safe and long past the point where there could be any more, one was standing in the middle of the road glaring at me. I skidded on my brakes. It just gave me a warning look before trotting off. Very scary.
nolie
October 17th, 2011
10:26 pm
oh caint forget Lou/Earl and his Uggla luv…….. but still no contest
cabravesfan
October 17th, 2011
10:27 pm
My brother hit a dear at our cabin a few years ago. It was standing in the middle of the road, much like yours, Moe. Only problem was it was around a curve and there was no way he could stop in time. But the thing bounced off his car, shook it off and ran into the woods. More damage to his car than the deer…
cabravesfan
October 17th, 2011
10:29 pm
Meanwhile, I am eating way too much food…
nolie
October 17th, 2011
10:31 pm
And I would take Young’s overall body of work at short with or without the range issues at Short
really? from 2005 -2008 he was ranked in the bottom 5 and has not played there since. With the lack of range of the other infielders that we have inserting Young would likely cause a new MLB record to be set for ground balls through the infield. I’ll pass and I’m sure the Braves would too at short.
Bat Masterson
October 17th, 2011
10:36 pm
one was standing in the middle of the road glaring at me. I skidded on my brakes. It just gave me a warning look before trotting off. Very scary.
Getting more and more bold. How long before they’re in open rebellion with the status quo.
richbrave
October 17th, 2011
10:40 pm
FALL BALL
‘ZONA
Late game, through four. GILMARTIN hurling a two-hit shutout with 4 K’s. BETHANCOURT 1-2 and it’s a yard-shot.
MEXICO
No games
VENEZUELA
No games
DOMINICA
Start on Monday 24th
tiger297
October 17th, 2011
10:41 pm
cab – thats an idea but he is 4…
cant imagine him in the airplane for that long…with him every stop would need to be an overnight so now I need a week to get there and a week home.
richbrave
October 17th, 2011
10:42 pm
Bat Masterson
October 17th, 2011
10:36 pm
one was standing in the middle of the road glaring at me. I skidded on my brakes. It just gave me a warning look before trotting off. Very scary.
Getting more and more bold. How long before they’re in open rebellion with the status quo.
So BAT what’ll they be driving first, a MASERATI or a JEEP GRAN CHEROKEE?
Bat Masterson
October 17th, 2011
10:46 pm
When they take over they can drive whatever they please, rich………………
richbrave
October 17th, 2011
10:47 pm
Heh!
cricket
October 17th, 2011
10:47 pm
Michael Young played SS in following no. of games since 2009-
2011 – 1 DH – 69
2010 – 2 3B – 155
2009 – 0 3B – 134
How do we know his fielding will be good enough for 16 mil per over next 2 years?
cabravesfan
October 17th, 2011
10:48 pm
tiger-
I have a 4 year old nephew. Perfect
Moe Berg
October 17th, 2011
10:50 pm
cab–I had a friend who ran into one and totalled his car. The cops helping him asked if he wanted the meat. My friend declined and then the cop asked if he minded if he helped himself to it.
Bat–They were looking very bold. I worry about my drive to work in the morning. Think they might be hanging out and waiting for me.
cabravesfan
October 17th, 2011
10:53 pm
Moe-
N8
October 17th, 2011
10:54 pm
BravesFanSince80’s
Sure Murphy might have had an impact.
More than Justice? Nope.
More than Gant? Nope.
And imo, not more than Nixon.
Murphy hadn’t played much CF since 1989. He was a RF. Gant, nor Justice was a very good CF either.
When JS came on board, his MAIN task was to improve defense, especially up the middle, so our young pitchers could pitch to contact and not be afraid to do so. Otis Nixon provided stellar defense in CF.
So, even with Murphy 18 HR and his .724 OPS that year (which would seem like an act of god in our OF these days), I think an outfield of Gant, Nixon and Justice did more than an outfield that would have had Murphy replacing any one of those guys.
Besides, Murphy’s decline was pretty evident starting in the 2nd half of 91. After the break he went:
.240/.301/.384/.685 with 6 HR.
You asked. I answered.
McFann O O o
October 17th, 2011
10:54 pm
A Biology teacher at my Brother’s school will get dead animals off the side of the road for study—I think he has some kind of permit for that or something…He hit a deer once and brought some of it to class. My Brother got to feel the heart, and the lungs, and other stuff…
Kat
October 17th, 2011
10:56 pm
I know it’s not PC because he has an eye problem but..
The Dolphin’s Coach is wearing sunglasses at night….you think he could have given Chipper that tip down at Sun Life?
phil
October 17th, 2011
10:59 pm
Fire FG…
N8
October 17th, 2011
11:00 pm
“The Dolphin’s Coach is wearing sunglasses at night….you think he could have given Chipper that tip down at Sun Life?”
Nah. Just probably a big Corey Hart fan……..
Cause you got it made with the guy in shades, oh-no
phil
October 17th, 2011
11:00 pm
The brother’s biology teacher needs immediate therapy…lol
cabravesfan
October 17th, 2011
11:01 pm
test
Moe Berg
October 17th, 2011
11:01 pm
cab–I agree that it is funny. He was up in the North Georgia mountains when this happened. I think he was rather horrified.
McFann O O o
October 17th, 2011
11:02 pm
phil—
Ha…
I think he might eat some of the deer meat, too, but I’m not sure…
cabravesfan
October 17th, 2011
11:02 pm
testcabravesfan
October 17th, 2011
11:03 pm
Missouri is planning on joining the SEC? Do they know they are barely good enough to play in the Big-
12,10, 9, 8?phil
October 17th, 2011
11:04 pm
Dear God…nasty!
Just a quick drop in…nice to see some of you…good nite.
MIBravesFan
October 17th, 2011
11:12 pm
cabravesfan – my first and only comment on the Sunday incident – Jim Harbaugh needs to realize he’s not in college anymore.
cabravesfan
October 17th, 2011
11:15 pm
MIBravesFan-
And Jim Schwartz needs to look at his own actions (including in that game) and stop acting like he’s such a saint. Harbaugh wasn’t the one that ran 40 yards to chase after another coach
MIBravesFan
October 17th, 2011
11:15 pm
“richbrave
October 17th, 2011
10:40 pm
FALL BALL
‘ZONA
Late game, through four. GILMARTIN hurling a two-hit shutout with 4 K’s. BETHANCOURT 1-2 and it’s a yard-shot. . . . ”
Thanks, richbrave.
monty
October 17th, 2011
11:33 pm
2 playoff teams in the NL got better hitting wise(Cards, DBacks) than in 2010 and the other 2 teams hitting dropped(the Phillies and Brewers)but their pitching significantly improved. The DBacks were the only team that got better in both run scoring and allowing fewer runs. Braves hitting digressed tremendously and pitching improved barely. Braves have to get much better offensively. They need to improve scoring by at least .4 runs per game. A pretty tall order when you’re hoping 3 of your everyday cogs have bounce back years and you’re also hoping a 4th cog doesn’t get injured falling on a ground ball. Not to mention your 2 starting pitchers who were sidelined with injuries.Then there is the mental aspect of how the “great fold” will affect them as a team. I guess I’m still suffering from PTS, hopefully a FW trade or 2 will heal my wounded spirit.
nolie
October 17th, 2011
11:51 pm
PTS from a baseball season?
MIBravesFan
October 17th, 2011
11:59 pm
DOB – thanks very much for the song/links.
monty
October 18th, 2011
12:06 am
“PTS from a baseball season?”
Yeh, it was quite traumatic, don’t you think, the way they just quit playing. No seriously, just being a little dramatic for emphasis sake.
Snotboogie
October 18th, 2011
1:37 am
Hmmm. First shot at Theo by the Sox?
Red Sox owner John Henry “threw $60MM into the air,” by making it clear that he views the Carl Crawford signing as a mistake, according to one baseball person. Henry said on the airwaves of 98.5 the Sports Hub that he was not in favor of signing the left fielder for $142MM.
nolie
October 18th, 2011
1:39 am
Henry said on the airwaves of 98.5 the Sports Hub that he was not in favor of signing the left fielder for $142MM….snot
I wasn’t either last winter. not anywhere near that.
tiger297
October 18th, 2011
1:45 am
wow hour and 1/2 gap on the blog