8:49 pm October 16, 2011, by David O'Brien
October 19th, 201111:18 pm
T4 is likely upset with the loss. we need to give him some room
T for Texas
October 19th, 201111:19 pm
Nolie, I read that John Dewan, I believe, is working on the first set of stats that correctly judge range by combining video with time of travel for the ball in play but that that has only been in the works for the last couple of years and is not yet perfected. The one note I saw is that they determined Bourn was by a margin the best CFer out there and McNate by a margin was the worst.
Hey, I want Texas to win too…Will T like me again??
October 19th, 201111:21 pm
I don’t really want texas to win
but I sure as hell don’t want the cardinals to win
October 19th, 201111:22 pm
The worst part about work is that I can’t stay up til 5am blogging with myself. Friggin’ schedules…
October 19th, 201111:23 pm
Couldn’t have said it better myself!
October 19th, 201111:24 pm
as Bill James has said several times over the last 5 years, they are making tremendous strides in defensive metrics over that time. Still not as reliable as other stats and likely never will be but if applied consistently they tell us much more than what we knew b4 that.
Actually, this Series has me conflicted. My usual mantra is that I hate the AL and anyone who likes ‘em. This conflicts with my other mantra that I hate Tonly LaRussa and anybody who likes him. But all hate being equal, I have chosen to root for Texas–only the third time rooting for the AL in my life (Cleveland over Marlins, Tampa over Phils) I simply refused to watch Yankees v Phils.
So yeah, cabravesfan I still heart ya.
October 19th, 201111:25 pm
well I REALLY want the Cards to win. Best franchise in baseball IMO
October 19th, 201111:26 pm
I ♥ Cards !!!!
not Tony though
October 19th, 201111:27 pm
if they folded tomorrow I would celebrate – their ranking as a good franchise has no bearing on my hatred for them
October 19th, 201111:29 pm
I love cards
canasta/hearts/bridge/poker/war – and many more
I love cardinals – pretty bright red male with a dull mate
The st louis cardinals can burn
night RG – have fun at work tomorrow
October 19th, 201111:31 pm
I’m pulling for the weather, maybe a snow-out or two
Good night, you good fans of the NL, and real baseball.
what is with all the Cards hate? not their fault that the Braves crumpled like a soggy origami
October 19th, 201111:32 pm
October 19th, 201111:33 pm
no Cards hate here…not sure why I decided to root for the Rangers, but I was watching the game and just found myself wanting them to tie it up, so I took that as a sign that I wanted them to win. I am strongly ambivalent about this series…
October 19th, 201111:36 pm
my cards h8 has nothing to do with this year…I’ve despised them almost as long as the dodgers
October 19th, 201111:49 pm
nothing against the cards, but Tony………..
October 19th, 201111:54 pm
cab – not talking to me tonight?
nolie – you have a place online you purchase ammo or somewhere local?
October 19th, 201111:57 pm
Of course- you seemed involved in a conversation
Besides, I don’t recall you saying hi to me either
October 19th, 201111:59 pm
I got a local guy who gives my very good prices on both guns and ammo. Though Bud’s Guns and Cheaper Than Dirt have pretty good web prices.
October 20th, 201112:01 am
you seemed busy
October 20th, 201112:02 am
nolie – for whatever reason I feel the need to make some updates I need to make. I’ll have to look up buds cheaper than dirt is where i was looking
October 20th, 201112:03 am
I’d like to find a local guy…there are many around here but atlanta is so transient building relationships with them are tough
October 20th, 201112:08 am
Never too busy for you
October 20th, 201112:09 am
Cheaper than Dirt might be the most bizarrely awesome magazine EVER…
October 20th, 201112:10 am
cab – they have good prices on ammo as well
October 20th, 201112:12 am
alas haven’t found choc covered potato chips
October 20th, 201112:13 am
I will keep that in mind if I ever move to a state with less severe gun laws…
October 20th, 201112:16 am
I doubt the laws are that bad…you might not be able to carry (although if VJ wasn’t there you could possibly get a permit)
October 20th, 201112:17 am
Carry permits in CA are pretty much impossible to get. Regular permits are extremely difficult and expensive…
October 20th, 201112:23 am
not sure the city in which you live but I had a friend who lived in san diego and except for the 10 day waiting period didn’t have an issue
October 20th, 201112:27 am
not promoting you getting a gun of course just noting I don’t think getting one from a state perspective is that diffcult. Sometimes different municipalities within a state have different laws.
October 20th, 201112:42 am
I live in LA. There are generally state wide restrictions, but it can be a pain…I don’t need one, though. I have a pit bull
October 20th, 201112:45 am
oh come on I wouldn’t describe VJ as a pit bull
October 20th, 201112:51 am
He’s pretty tough when he needs to be
October 20th, 201112:57 am
what is funny is zeke is the most mild mannered dog…gets a little hyper when we have a ball or something to throw. First time I saw him defensive of me (actually my oldest when he was about 12) scared me.
He went from my pot head dog (he always lays around like a stoner) to vicious instantly.
October 20th, 201112:59 am
when its sleepy time down south…..
I don’t know if this has already been discussed, but did anyone else hear the 790 the Zone interview with Frank Wren this afternoon.
I hope Wren was just keeping his off season plans close to the vest, because he indicated that other than a few bench and bullpen moves and deciding on SS, the team was set! Frank ,also mentioned the new hitting coach would impact the season
I do hope that isn’t true. The team needs, at least , another strong bat
time to spill the dirt
October 20th, 20112:01 am
Kawakami…..why did he really get admonished to the pasture? He wasn’t the best pitcher by any means, but the Braves made him disappear…speaking of which, has anyone actually seen him? he might be wearing a pair of Braves issued cement shoes…
October 20th, 20112:08 am
i assume now that he’s gone we will finally get the dirt. no more cap tippin to skirtin the truth
Ward High Hopes back
October 20th, 20112:09 am
Hello everyone! nolie, I agree with your post on the Cards. Have to admire the way they played down the stretch. If only the Braves played that hard thier last 15 games instead of their last game? Different story.
October 20th, 20112:11 am
All I see Wren is getting us a SS,and Maybe an outfielder?Depends on the money?
October 20th, 20112:27 am
Here’s a question for anybody to answer out there.
Some have suggested the Braves go after Reyes or Rollins. Both clearly high risk/high reward type guys that are going to be severely over-paid. No doubt about that, mainly because of injury history and availability. But both are dynamic players that would change any lineup when healthy enough to be in it.
The two biggest arguments against going after either of those two guys are:
1) Going to cost too much money for what you’ll likely get out of them because of injury history.
2) Braves don’t need a long-term SS, just a stop-gap until Pastornicky is ready.
But some of the same people that are saying a guy like Reyes won’t be worth it because he can’t stay on the field are the same people saying that Chipper is still worth the money even though he is likely never to start more than 120 games again. What’s the difference? Why are people taking one side of the fense with the guy that’s been a Brave forever? But aren’t willing to cut a guy like Rollins or Reyes the same slack?
I’ll tell you this much. I’d take 120 games of what Reyes can provide and whoever his backup is over what Agon would provide for 162 games.
As for Pastornicky? Since when do the Braves not make moves as to not “block” somebody who possibly won’t be an impact player? We’re not talking about having a stop-gap RF or 1B like Glaus waiting for Freeman or Heyward to arrive. It’s Tyler-Freakin-Pastornicky we’re talking about.
The dynamic that Reyes/Rollins could have along with Bourn at the top of our order would be something we haven’t seen since Primetime and Nixon. Lofton and Tucker gave us a good glimpse of it in April 97 before Lofton got hurt and couldn’t run.
Hell, take Reyes’ speed out of the equation. Dude just won a batting title. I seem to recall somebody getting a hefty extention upon winning a batting title.
If Braves want to really make a run next year, Reyes should be their target. Period.
Of course, who the hell knows where the money would come from? But it’s not my money. So it’s not my problem. Frank is a smart guy. He’d figure it out.
October 20th, 20112:35 am
N8: I say no on Reyes now! Get some one like Scutaro,and Bring up Pastornicky,and slowly work him in.We have to much talent to go get a high prced SS. I would like Mark Delrosa back,and a left fielder if we can get him,but if not? Would settle for a rental like Johnny Damon,and try to get a Wilson Betemit for backing up Chipper. Platoon Damon,and Prado.
October 20th, 20112:44 am
It would be nice for a Reyes,but the money,and would Wren be able to sign him for 6 years? Only if Wren can sign him,but if not? No way…………
October 20th, 20112:57 am
I hope Wren was just keeping his off season plans close to the vest, because he indicated that other than a few bench and bullpen moves and deciding on SS, the team was set! …ccrider
I think that is likely true. what changers are they gonna make and how are they gonna afford it? I’ll be pretty surprised at any significant move
October 20th, 20113:06 am
I wish you could stop constantly trying to find some way to cast Chipper in a bad light N8. It really gets kinda old.
We already have Chipper and for a reason. He is a Braves icon who has done what it takes to stay with the Braves and was re-signed after an incredible year when not re-signing him would have provoked a great deal of cobtroversy.
None of that applies to Reyes or Rollins nor shiould oit have any bearing on a decision about them. They have no Braves history, neither are HOFers and their signing or most likely not-signing should depend entirely on their suitability at their age.
Just because we have Chipper’s contract is certainly no reason to go out and take a chance on another questionable health risk.
October 20th, 20113:17 am
Wh not keep Chipper he had a solid year,and get a wilson Betemit for back,when Chipper goes down. Problem solved,and not too much money spent. Save for 2013 Free Agent crop.
October 20th, 20113:18 am
Why spend money if you don’t have to? Some times it pays to be smart too?
October 20th, 20113:21 am
I think since Bobby is gone, poor Chipper is the only one left that N8 can take out his passive aggressive dislike on. When he goes I will worry about N8; who will he find to replace both Bobby and Chipper?
I’m guessing it will be Heyward unless he has an all star season this coming year
October 20th, 20113:25 am
Good thought Ward. Of course they have to keep Chipper if he wants to come back because of the contract.
A backup like Betemit would help the bench, give us a safety net if Chipper misses a lot of time and allow Prado to concentrate on the outfield exclusively.
I think all we need is a good back up for Chipper,and like nolie’s idea about Wilson Betemit. That would be a good idea. Solid right there……
October 20th, 20113:26 am
Well I GG. TTFN y’all. Ward and Jake.
October 20th, 20113:27 am
Big Jake: I think nolie mentioned that idea first……
Have a good one nolie…..
October 20th, 20113:32 am
OH. And here I was trying to give you the credit Ward.
I guess there are several ways that they could go. They could try to find a starting outfielder and use Prado as a super-sub. That one seems to be pretty popular here.
Good night noles
October 20th, 20113:35 am
nolie, as much as I like to rag on Chipper’s contract (because certainly his production was fine for somebody not making 14 million dollars), that really had nothing to do with knocking Chipper down. It was a legit question about doing what it takes to take the next step to overtake the Phillies and represent the NL.
Not sure why you chose to take that as a slam on Chipper when the majority of the post was geared towards what dynamic a guy like Reyes would bring to the lineup in addition to Bourn.
It’s no secret that I’m a fan of speed. Not just stolen bases – though nice, not the be all, end all of the speed game, but game changing speed. Bourn has it. Reyes has it.
Some have said when Chipper’s extention was given to him, it wasn’t a “bad” deal, because he was coming off of the batting title. So is Reyes. You simply want to find negativity in any post of my towards Chipper.
I think this team can “compete” without going after a guy like Reyes. We compted in 2010 and 2011. We’ll compete again.
I’m saying that if Wren wants to be a gambling man, why not make a splash? Chipper’s and Lowe’s money will be coming off the books after next year likely. Why not give the old man (Chipper) a legit shot at a title? Even if a guy like Reyes would end up in year 3 or 4 being possibly another dead contract like Lowe, so what? Why not go for it?
The only thing we have to lose is Liberty Media’s money and draft picks for signing Reyes. And who cares on the draft pick front? According to everybody here Wren is wasting his first round picks anyhow, so why not give it away? It would be one less thing for people to bitch about (you included) with our 1st round picks.
Prediction: Philly signs Reyes and wins the NL East for the next two seasons. Us? Wren will sign Gonzo for one more year, and we’ll have to scratch and claw for the wild card…… again. No room for error.
You’ve been at the fore-front of telling me how Chipper has had plenty of “impact” on the lineup even though he’s not always available. Why can’t the same apply for a guy like Reyes? He’s so damn good when healthy, that even if we only had him for 120 games, his “impact” in those games (along with Bourn) would be enough to make our lineup pretty solid due to everybody dropping down a spot. Certainly would make it deeper.
“They have no Braves history, neither are HOFers and their signing or most likely not-signing should depend entirely on their suitability at their age.”
What the hell does that have to do with winning in 2012? Please explain.
October 20th, 20113:38 am
Good night ward. Good night Jake. Good night sweet world. Everybody and anybody.
See y’all later in the day. At least I hope so. Running a fever and might have to go to the hospital if it doesn’t break sometime soon.
October 20th, 20113:40 am
and good night N8!
October 20th, 20113:46 am
N8: There’s not much we can do if Wren can’t sign anyone do to money?I’ve read all the articles,and I think we should not do a whole lot now. Just a little tinks here,and there.Wait for 2013 Free Agent crop. Like a Josh Hamilton. Save money for the following year.
nolie get well buddy…….
October 20th, 20113:49 am
All have a good,and peace friends……
October 20th, 20113:50 am
“Just because we have Chipper’s contract is certainly no reason to go out and take a chance on another questionable health risk.”
Nolie, part of me (the guy who has no money invested in our payroll), says it is the perfect reason to go for it. It’s just money. It would allow Wren to keep all the young pitchers. Something that might be needed if guys like Hanson or Jurrjens need to be traded in the coming years to compete with the big contracts of McCann, Uggla and a possible big name free agent like Reyes.
The other side of me says that it is what it is. Too much money tied up in Chipper and Lowe, and they’ll have to go to battle with what we got and some minor tweaks.
It’s just like last spring going into this season. There was too many “ifs” that had to go perfectly for us to overtake the Phillies.
IF Heyward has a monster 2nd season.
IF Uggla anchors the cleanup spot.
IF Chipper stays healthy.
IF Prado can play LF and stay healthy.
IF Freeman is ready.
IF Mac stays healthy.
IF Hudson holds up.
IF Kimbrel can handle the closer’s role.
IF Venters was for real.
IF Nate rebounds.
IF Beachy or Minor are ready.
IF Jurrjens stays healthy.
Pretty much ALL of those questions are still in play other than Kimbrel, Venters and Freeman.
Why not make a move that lessens a couple of those things from being mandatory to our success?
For a few years when we missed the playoffs, we all just stated we wanted to be able to compete and have a shot at the playoffs. I’ve now shifted to EXPECTING the playoffs. This pitching staff is that good. Really no excuse is going to be good enough if they miss out again next year if any of the injured guys get injured again and can’t fully contribute.
Now, that being said. Going after a guy like Reyes isn’t the only way to do it. I’m not as down on making minor but solid moves that improve our chances. And unlike Nate, I honestly believe that a full year of Bourn will help. How can it not? But I’d feel much better if the lineup (not defensively) has a better bat than Gonzo at SS.
Either that, or Wren finds a truly legit bat in LF and returns Prado to the uber-utility guy, where he would get plenty of AB with Chipper’s knees. Hell, if the bat they get for LF could be a guy that plays RF as well, Prado could “platoon” with Heyward if needed, and then shift the new LF to RF when Prado plays.
Many ways to go, as I’ve said many times. But damn would it be nice to have a guy like Reyes. Even if the value of the deal would only be considered really good for a year or two.
October 20th, 20113:53 am
I agree that it would be nice to have Reyes if they could afford it. I’d pass on Rollins on a long term deal though.
I don’t see any way Reyes is going to happen for us though.
October 20th, 20114:08 am
I agree Jake. It’s not going to happen. But that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be a great, aggressive “short term” move, especially with the young, inexpensive talent that we have coming up and the money coming off the books.
On a side note, I’m torn as to who to root for in the WS.
Usually, once I get past my anger, I root for whoever knocks the Braves (or my Chiefs) out of the playoffs or in this case, playoff contention. Easier to say you were bumped out by the eventual champion.
However, in the spirit of wanting to continue griping about the Tex trade for years to come, I hope the Rangers win it all with Feliz closing out the final game and Elvis getting the WS mvp.
October 20th, 20114:28 am
I don’t much care which team wins, so I will go with the National League representative.
October 20th, 20114:29 am
I have to groom some dogs so I’m going
Good night and good luck.
October 20th, 20115:18 am
Good game tonight. I think this might be a good series.
I was a bit surprised that there was not more offense considering the two lineups.
October 20th, 20116:01 am
FALL BALL INTERNATIONAL
2B DIORY HERNANDEZ [.385 BA] 2-3, 3 R, 1 BB.
PH/2B FERNANDO De Los SANTOS [1.000 BA] 1-1, 1 2B , 1 RBI .
C WILKIN CASTILLO [.111 BA] 0-3, 1 BB.
DH ‘45′ GOMEZ [.071 BA] 0-4, 1 RBI , 1 BB.
No BRAVES played.
C ‘Sweet’ JESUS SUCRE [.263 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 CS by SUCRE , Pick-off by SUCRE .
RHRP JAIRO ASENCIO [3.00 ERA] 2.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R/ER, 2 SO, 8 BF…33 p/ 22 S, 3 GO/ 0 AO.
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.269 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 RBI , 1 SO.
October 20th, 20116:07 am
Let’s see what 2012 brings with PRADO before we go after a ROLLINS-REYES-type. I wouldn’t care for either of them specifically myself if we did make a move with PRADO.
October 20th, 20116:10 am
2013 we’ll be CHIPPER and DEREK-less with a great deal of financial flexibility. Frankly if i were WREN, I wouldn’t sign anyone long-term past the age of 36 again. The age of PEDS is over.
October 20th, 20117:43 am
Chipper’s got a 2013 club option, so it’s not a definite that he won’t be on the team. That option becomes guaranteed if he plays 123 games in 2012 or averages 127 games between 2011-2012. He played in 126 last year.
October 20th, 20117:53 am
With a new hitting coach being hired and guys having time to heal, Frank and Fredi will say/hope McCann and Prado will return to form, Heyward will be better, and they will have Bourn for a full season. For those reasons, the team should be better offensively.
However, Even if that does happen, we are still competing for a wild card spot (imo). It would be nice to see the Braves upgrade at either SS or LF. If they upgrade at LF, then Prado can go back to being our super sub.
But financially, I don’t know how Wren can fit it into Liberty Media’s budget.
October 20th, 20118:39 am
“2013 we’ll be CHIPPER and DEREK-less with a great deal of financial flexibility. Frankly if i were WREN, I wouldn’t sign anyone long-term past the age of 36 again. The age of PEDS is over.”
I’m not sure I’d sign anyone over thirty long term! Wren is probably marking off the days until he can unload Chipper’s and Lowe’s contracts. $29-$30 million is a lot of dough for a mid-market franchise.
October 20th, 20119:02 am
As bad as Lowe has been (last September not included), it could have been worse. Allegedly, the Braves originally offered A.J. Burnett a 4 year $64 mil deal (with a very attainable 5th year option).
So not only would he be making more money than Lowe, we could have been stuck with him for a 5th season.
October 20th, 20119:05 am
What is the record for teams that win Game 1 of the World Series? Has to be strong the last two decades, I would think…
October 20th, 20119:06 am
It rerally makes me shake my head in wonder. Three consecutive years of .300 battinmg averages, three consecutive years of .350 OBPs and three consecutive years of .800 OPS and everyone was convinced Prado was an everyday player. One year – injury marred in the extreme with a serious infection – and he’s no better than a Super Sub and should lose his full time job?
People – first of all he deserves a shot at getting back to what we know he’s capable of and besides – he’s still our super sub – Dude DOES plat three positions anyway.
Give him a chance. He’s earned it.
October 20th, 20119:10 am
Nevermind, picked it up from the recap on espn.com:
Game 1 has been an indicator of success in recent decades: The winner has captured seven of the last eight titles, 12 of the last 14 and 19 of the last 23. In addition, the team hosting Game 1 has won 20 of the last 25 World Series.
October 20th, 20119:13 am
Agreed, Lew. I think people just look at SS and think it’ll be a one year stopgap we get until Tyler is ready, so you can’t get too much better there. Then, RF is Jason Heyward’s because the organzation has so much invested in him. Then there is Prado, who the org. probably doesn’t have as much invested in and who struggled last year. That is the easy position to point to and think an upgrade is needed. But I agree with you, he’s a solid player and a 300/350/450ish hitter.
October 20th, 20119:18 am
So, home field advantage in the WS has given the home team a 20-5 record the last 25 World Series? Yikes.
October 20th, 20119:19 am
NEW BLOGGAGE!! ;p
October 20th, 20119:21 am
October 20th, 2011
First game winners take the series 19 of the past 23.
October 20th, 20119:25 am
In watching this World Series and playoffs, it has become pretty clear to me that Texas needs some more starting pitching. Like, badly. And it surprises me that they were as successful during the regular season. Ogando starting had a little something to do with that too, but geez.
Why spend money if you don’t have to? Some times it pays to be smart too? _ Ward
Sometimes, Ward? I guess everyone has their ‘what the hell was I thinking, that was stupid’ moments, still I’ll go out on a limb and say it pays to be smart all the time.
October 20th, 20119:28 am
October 20th, 2011
I think management sees that he plays no more than 126 in that case. If he plays 126 or 128, he’s playing hurt a lot of the time, just as he did this season, and that hurts the team overall. Make no mistake, I think CHIPPER can still play as a part-time player, and be effective out of the six, seven slots regularly, three hole on occasion..
October 20th, 20119:29 am
lew, right on at 9:06. i think he will be back.
October 20th, 20119:30 am
N8, sadly, the braves (and us when we talk about it) have to operate within financial peramters. reyes just doesnt fall within them. with some creative moves, rollins might, but reyes wouldnt.
anyways, i agree if we are going for it and money isnt an issue, you go get the best player available at your position of need. but that isnt our reality.
the good news is, its really easy to upgrade SS, because our guy from last year was pitiful at the plate.
October 20th, 20119:32 am
I meant to say he plays no more than 122 next season, sorry.
October 20th, 20119:34 am
Our guy at SS was striking the ball quite well with some rest rather than playing every frickin’ game at age 34 because HERNANDEZ-HICKS just didn’t cut it in in the field or at the plate.
October 20th, 20119:43 am
C.J. Wilson has walked 14 batters and given up 6 home runs in 4 starts, 21.1 innings pitched this postseason.
October 20th, 20119:45 am
I still think Wilson gets 5 years and 75 million from some team, though. Just not enough starting pitching out there: Jackson, Buerhle, Oswalt, Bedard, Kuroda, Darvish.
DAP – He’ll be back – if for no other reason than they have no money, need a shortstop and would really have to acquire not only a better left fielder, but a third base replacement at least as good as Martin. To much to do with too little money with very few realistic ways of getting more.
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