8:49 pm October 16, 2011, by David O'Brien
October 19th, 20119:20 pm
I don’t miss them, IVAN. They both suck
October 19th, 20119:23 pm
either 1 is better than anything we have
October 19th, 20119:25 pm
Well…I guess that is something I’d say. I’d at least use capitalization though.
October 19th, 20119:26 pm
How so? The Braves don’t have a SS.
Do you mean they are better than nothing? Maybe but just barely
October 19th, 20119:30 pm
Napoli continuing his monster year. Wow.
October 19th, 20119:31 pm
ACCORDING TO ESPN RUMORS REYES COMING TO PHILLIES, MAYBE BRAVES CAN SIGN ROLLINS
October 19th, 20119:39 pm
Except Braves are not looking for a long term, oft injured shortstop…
October 19th, 20119:40 pm
According to my magic 8 ball the Braves are not interested
October 19th, 20119:41 pm
According to my Alphabet Soup, WRPCKSA
October 19th, 20119:42 pm
CABRAVES FAN YOU KNOW I RESPECT YOUR OPPINION HOWEVER IF BRAVES SMART OFFER ROLLINS A 3 YEAR DEAL 12-14 MILL PER YEAR HE WOULD BE THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER ON THE TEAM
October 19th, 20119:44 pm
McFann O O o
October 19th, 20119:45 pm
jeffrey d According to my Alphabet Soup, WRPCKSA
October 19th, 20119:46 pm
But they won’t because A) that is more than they are willing to pay and B)they have a SS that should be MLB ready, if not by late next season, surely by 2013. And if they resign Alex for $1M, he will also be the best defensive player on the team and a lot cheaper…
And by the way, I do actually like Jimmy Rollins a lot, but he’s not going to be a Brave.
October 19th, 20119:47 pm
The phils can fit Reyes in their budget? Well good luck then, he’s a great player when he wants to be.
October 19th, 20119:48 pm
I THOUGHT BRAVES FANS WERE TIRED OF ALEX
October 19th, 20119:50 pm
I doubt Alex signs for 1 million
I THINK THE PHILS HAVE NO CHOICE BUT 2 SIGN REYES OFFENSE STALE LAST 2 YEARS
October 19th, 20119:52 pm
Some Braves fans actually see Gonzalez for what he is; a superb defensive SS that saved more runs with his glove than he gave away with his low OBP.
October 19th, 20119:54 pm
JFP, I was one of those that doubted McGwire would be a great hitting coach, given he was such a pure power hitter for most of his career. But he’s a smart guy, great communicator, and it’s worked out perfectly for Cardinals. Say what you will about La Russa, but the man knows his stuff, on the field and in the clubhouse.
October 19th, 20119:55 pm
ALOT OF PHILS FANS SAY HOWARD IS WHAT HE IS, I HATE HIM, ESPECIALLY AFTER GETTING THAT 5 YEAR CONTRACT EXT STARTING THIS YEAR 25 MILL A YEAR FOR 5 YEARS, WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN MLB IN MY OPPINION
The phillies need some youth in their lineup more than anything else, Reyes isn’t really that old but he’s been injured a lot lately. Not ideal for a long term deal imo but he’ll likely get one. If San Fran has room in the budget I can see them getting involved for him as they desperately need the offense as well.
October 19th, 20119:57 pm
DOB, DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS PHILS FAN THE HOWARD CONTRACT EXT 5 YEARS 125 MILL MAY BE THE DEMISE OF MY PHILS NO MATTER HOW MANY SELLOUTS THEY GET???????
October 19th, 20119:58 pm
The cap lock key is on the left side of most keyboards…………
Who cares if Reyes goes to Philly. Braves aren’t going to be seriously competitive for at least two more years. Two of our top pitchers are huge injury risks going into the next year and we saw a monumental collapse because of pi## poor hitting. I seriously doubt those hitting woes will be corrected in less than one year. Do you? Nationals will fight us tooth and nail all the way to the finish for second place. You watch and see.
As for this offseason and what to expect- basically nothing major. Maybe a really cheap platoon guy for the corner outfield spots like a Marcus Thames or something like that. Lowe will be in the pen. Nobody with a brain would want this washed up guy making way too much money. I would be really shocked if they can trade him even if they eat up a lot of his remaining contract.
October 19th, 20119:59 pm
JAKE W. IF SF SIGNS REYES AND FIELDER IN OFFSEASON WITH THAT PITCHING , SF MAY WIN ANOTHER 3-4 WS IN NEXT 5 YEARS
October 19th, 201110:01 pm
DS1 is right. Alex is a premier defensive player at a position where that is so valuable. He can hit better than he did this year also, but his defense is what I value. We get power from non traditional positions like catcher so we can afford to sacrifice a little at SS.
DS1, WHO CARES??????
October 19th, 201110:04 pm
Alex is a premier defensive player at a position where that is so valuable. He can hit better than he did this year also, but his defense is what I value. We get power from non traditional positions like catcher so we can afford to sacrifice a little at SS.
If he comes back, maybe just maybe the new hitting coach can work a miracle with the guy. He’ll never be the greatest hitter but hopefully he’ll adapt well and be a tough out like Wren wants this lineup to be up and down spots 1-8.
If prince goes the the giants he might start toking with the freak and ballon up to 500lbs
October 19th, 201110:06 pm
PRINCE IS A VEGETARIAN, HAVE 2 RESPECT THAT
October 19th, 201110:07 pm
OBVIOUSLY YOU DON’T.
Just looks a bit juvenile if you ask me, but then again who cares.
I think Alex will be well sought out by other major league teams. He will cost more than what we got him for last year. Most GM’s see what some bloggers don’t see………. How ya been?
October 19th, 201110:08 pm
DS1 GET OVER IT LIFE IS SHORT DONT CRY
October 19th, 201110:09 pm
I think Alex has expressed a desire to come back. I guess we shall see…but even if he costs a bit more than $1M, he’s not going to be anywhere near what Rollins will cost. I’ve been good. You?
T for Texas
Some Braves fans actually see Gonzalez for what he is; a superb defensive SS that saved more runs with his glove than he gave away with his low OBP. DS1
Unless you can quantify how many runs he saved with his glove this is much like FOX News constant use of “People say….” as a means of inserting their own editorial opinion into the public dialogue.
He can hit better than he did this year also,
.642 OPS this season and .690 OPS for his career. So this is true I guess, but a very liberal MSNBC use of ‘better.’
October 19th, 201110:10 pm
Cruz with the kick save
No, I get why he shouts. People talk loud when they want to sound smart, right?
Damn! I respect LaRussa as a great manager; I just don’t like him.
I have heard that Prince was a vegetarian. He either has a medical issue, or he eats a shyt load of beans!
October 19th, 201110:11 pm
Not liberal, just true. He has hit better in his career, and he is capable of hitting better with the Braves.
October 19th, 201110:12 pm
You can be vegetarian and be fat.
October 19th, 201110:13 pm
I think Prince is a vegan
October 19th, 201110:15 pm
AND HE TYPES IN ALL CAPS ALSO, GOT IT FROM HIM
October 19th, 201110:17 pm
Lotta water in a bushel of lettuce. Maybe he needs a diuretic
October 19th, 201110:19 pm
I am well. Busy as heck. Darn slow internet connection in Backwoods Idaho tonight. Frustrating. Last year Alex got a 2.5 million dollar extension, which was club friendly for a good defensive SS. I’m guessing he’ll need 3-4 million for a 1 year contract or a 4-5 million/2 year deal. Just my guess though.
T for Texas
Now you KNOW than anything reported on FNC has got to be true. And you’re starting to sound like Shaun on the quantifying part. Nearly impossible to quantify defense. I trust my eyes and the baseball experts I respect.
DID YOU KNOW LETTUCE IS THE ONLY FOOD YOU CAN EAT A OUNCE AND LOSE A OUNCE WHILE EATING IT, ITS TRUE THE CALORIES YOU BURN CHEWING ARE MORE THAN THE LETTUCE AS IT ALL WATER
October 19th, 201110:21 pm
Liberal, as in generous. Meaning that to imply .690 is appreciably better than .642 is generous. Both stink to high heaven. His defense is outstanding, but to assume it makes up for his production at the plate is generous, because I have yet to see a true quanitification of how many runs his glove saves versus that of another capable MLB SS who is better with the stick. It is just conjecture/
October 19th, 201110:24 pm
And you’re starting to sound like Shaun on the quantifying part.
That is weak, Wayne.
October 19th, 201110:27 pm
whatup peeps…fat old man staggering to the couch my crew is
well they are all on the blog already so hi
October 19th, 201110:31 pm
Didn’t you see my evil little smiley?
And yes, if we could get an above average fielding SS that would OBP around .325 or more, I do it.
But I’d be very reluctant to go with a lesser defensive SS unless we don’t have a choice (Alex signs elsewhere).
October 19th, 201110:32 pm
McCarver after Mark “scrabble” gets the K and Buck comments on Mark’s nickname:
“It’s a 5 letter word. S T R I K E”.
I dont know if this is worse or when Ben Ingram said after a HR ” That HR went an acre”.
GONZO Total Runs
Year…Runs Created…Runs Saved…Baserunning
Runs Position Total
2003 70 -3 3 33 103
2004 58 8 0 34 100
2005 48 2 -1 27 77
2006 46 3 -1 24 72
2007 56 5 -1 22 82
2009 37 -5 1 24 57
2010 73 16 -1 34 122
2011 50 15 1 33 99
October 19th, 201110:34 pm
The Cobra on the mound
C’mon St Louis, kick some AL butt……..
October 19th, 201110:35 pm
The Cobra off the mound….
From closer to situational lefty
October 19th, 201110:37 pm
we can see that Gonzo had his best defensive years since 2003 in ‘10 and ‘11
The cap lock key is on the left side of most keyboards………… DS1
Eh. Sometimes it makes it easier to distinguish between scroll-worthy and nonscroll-worthy posts…
October 19th, 201110:43 pm
yeah all caps is almost a guaranteed scroll-by for me
October 19th, 201110:49 pm
HI! Where have you been??
October 19th, 201110:50 pm
DOB – let me knoww if you make it to Roswell Tap & try the pittsburgh club-capicola…looks like primanti’s wonder how close it is
October 19th, 201110:51 pm
this year Andrus accounted for 19 more total runs than Gonzo, but some of that had to do with being in a much better offense
October 19th, 201110:53 pm
Sorry, Wayne I am not fluent in emoticon so I misunderstood–thought that one was ‘angry.’ It just seems to me that the number of balls hit to SS that Alex can get to that other MLB SSs cannot get to is a low number. And that the number of those balls that he can get to that others can’t that then would lead to a run scoring is even lower. Yet the futility at the plate is well documented, quantifiable, and apparent.
October 19th, 201110:55 pm
I did like Buck’s play on that later, “That results in a 4 letter word…OUT”
October 19th, 201110:56 pm
October 19th, 201110:57 pm
RG got a job …great going
and sorry for your loss as well
October 19th, 201110:59 pm
Gonzo led baseball in runs saved this season , but several others like Andrus were close
October 19th, 201111:00 pm
Folks, I’m going to check out. I am having a heckuva time posting and refreshing with this low speed connection tonight.
C’mon Rangers! Dangit!
October 19th, 201111:01 pm
C’mon Cards, dabnabit!
Noles, how are runs saved determined?
Welcome to the real work It’s not much fun…
October 19th, 201111:02 pm
so it can be quantified and is being quantified, though admittedly with a bit less reliability than hitting stats
October 19th, 201111:04 pm
Oh, and cab…
Guess what comes out October 24!!
Each position is evaluated differently. Pitchers are evaluated by their plus/minus runs saved and stolen base runs saved. Catchers are evaluated by their pitcher handling earned runs saved and stolen base runs saved. Corner infielders, middle infielders and outfielders each have a plus/minus runs saved score based on their range in the field. Corner infielders also have a bunt runs saved score, while middle infielders have a double plays runs saved score. Outfielders have an arms score and a home run saving catches score.
October 19th, 201111:05 pm
SCREW THE CARDS U HATE THEM ALON W/SF, GO TEXAS
October 19th, 201111:06 pm
It’s not much fun…
Hey, just because I chalanged an aeertion you were making is no reason to get mad. It can’t all be Clifton Jansky jokes all day long all the time.
You have fun with that…
RG – the loss of your soul by entering the work world…
October 19th, 201111:07 pm
I have no idea what that even says…you want to translate?
October 19th, 201111:09 pm
It may not be perfect but if its consistent among all players, it can help rank them a bit
I do agree that its a fallacy to think that a great defensive player who is nothing at all at bat will make up entirely on defense if compared to a good hitting average defender.
For the Braves though I think it important to keep good range at short since the other three IFers are all fence posts
middle infielders and outfielders each have a plus/minus runs saved score based on their range in the field.
I guess that would be my point, there is no reliable way, yet, to determine range.
SeaBass should be back for sure. One of the best defensive Shortstops still. He should come pretty cheap. (Around 2 mil) I mainly like him cause of the price. I really think Pestornicky will be on the 25 man roster at some point during the season. No need to sign any Shortstop Longterm. We really have to count on Dan Uggla, Martin Prado, and Jason Heyward to improve. Even if we just lower our expectations on Heyward and realize he’s very young still. Look at Justin Upton and finally breaking out after a few seasons. I think everyone would be pretty happy if J-Hey posted a 275. 350. 450. line.
October 19th, 201111:10 pm
gee Harry hates the Cards as much as Tomahawkin did
On the bright side, I get $10 designer sunglasses as a perk. At least I can hide my soulless eyes…
October 19th, 201111:11 pm
how many pairs do you get
October 19th, 201111:12 pm
Thought you would appreciate that. It is OCTOBER after all.
October 19th, 201111:13 pm
of course there is. all plays are videoed. watching where the player gets to is a pretty fair idea of range. not excac but not really much different than a scout would do and they assign range values from day one with every player.
Damn, cab. Now you want me to make sense? What is your deal, dude? I thought we were buds, but I guess all your friends can spell and type somewhat correctly and that is what it takes to be in your clique, blog-snob.
HERE COMES A HR
October 19th, 201111:14 pm
5. Although, I’ll be lucky if I get one pair. Everyone has high expectations for their Christmas present this year. Greedy b*stards…
SHOULD BE PHILS UP 1-0, DAM
October 19th, 201111:15 pm
@nolie For the Braves though I think it important to keep good range at short since the other three IFers are all fence posts
Precisely! (the internet connection sitting in bed (versus at the desk) seems to be faster.
Ha. So true.
October 19th, 201111:16 pm
bah Nellie is a 700 hitter away from Texas
October 19th, 201111:17 pm
You should know me well enough to know when I’m joking After all, the only reason I can spell is because VJ is around…
How are our Braves even in the same league as St. Louis?
That my friends……..is Major League Baseball.
October 19th, 201111:18 pm
SHOULD BE PHILS UP 1-0, DAM
Well the Phillies are up. They’re up in Pennsyvania sitting on their tushes…
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