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Bat Masterson
October 19th, 2011
9:20 pm
I don’t miss them, IVAN. They both suck
jeffrey d
October 19th, 2011
9:23 pm
either 1 is better than anything we have
jeffrey d
October 19th, 2011
9:25 pm
Well…I guess that is something I’d say. I’d at least use capitalization though.
Bat Masterson
October 19th, 2011
9:26 pm
How so? The Braves don’t have a SS.
Do you mean they are better than nothing? Maybe but just barely
Snotboogie
October 19th, 2011
9:30 pm
Napoli continuing his monster year. Wow.
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
9:31 pm
ACCORDING TO ESPN RUMORS REYES COMING TO PHILLIES, MAYBE BRAVES CAN SIGN ROLLINS
cabravesfan
October 19th, 2011
9:39 pm
Except Braves are not looking for a long term, oft injured shortstop…
Bat Masterson
October 19th, 2011
9:40 pm
According to my magic 8 ball the Braves are not interested
jeffrey d
October 19th, 2011
9:41 pm
According to my Alphabet Soup, WRPCKSA
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
9:42 pm
CABRAVES FAN YOU KNOW I RESPECT YOUR OPPINION HOWEVER IF BRAVES SMART OFFER ROLLINS A 3 YEAR DEAL 12-14 MILL PER YEAR HE WOULD BE THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER ON THE TEAM
jeffrey d
October 19th, 2011
9:44 pm
George?
McFann O O o
October 19th, 2011
9:45 pm
jeffrey d According to my Alphabet Soup, WRPCKSA
cabravesfan
October 19th, 2011
9:46 pm
harry-
But they won’t because A) that is more than they are willing to pay and B)they have a SS that should be MLB ready, if not by late next season, surely by 2013. And if they resign Alex for $1M, he will also be the best defensive player on the team and a lot cheaper…
cabravesfan
October 19th, 2011
9:46 pm
And by the way, I do actually like Jimmy Rollins a lot, but he’s not going to be a Brave.
Jake W.
October 19th, 2011
9:47 pm
The phils can fit Reyes in their budget? Well good luck then, he’s a great player when he wants to be.
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
9:48 pm
I THOUGHT BRAVES FANS WERE TIRED OF ALEX
Bat Masterson
October 19th, 2011
9:50 pm
I doubt Alex signs for 1 million
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
9:50 pm
I THINK THE PHILS HAVE NO CHOICE BUT 2 SIGN REYES OFFENSE STALE LAST 2 YEARS
DS1
October 19th, 2011
9:52 pm
Some Braves fans actually see Gonzalez for what he is; a superb defensive SS that saved more runs with his glove than he gave away with his low OBP.
David O'Brien
October 19th, 2011
9:54 pm
JFP, I was one of those that doubted McGwire would be a great hitting coach, given he was such a pure power hitter for most of his career. But he’s a smart guy, great communicator, and it’s worked out perfectly for Cardinals. Say what you will about La Russa, but the man knows his stuff, on the field and in the clubhouse.
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
9:55 pm
ALOT OF PHILS FANS SAY HOWARD IS WHAT HE IS, I HATE HIM, ESPECIALLY AFTER GETTING THAT 5 YEAR CONTRACT EXT STARTING THIS YEAR 25 MILL A YEAR FOR 5 YEARS, WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN MLB IN MY OPPINION
Jake W.
October 19th, 2011
9:55 pm
The phillies need some youth in their lineup more than anything else, Reyes isn’t really that old but he’s been injured a lot lately. Not ideal for a long term deal imo but he’ll likely get one. If San Fran has room in the budget I can see them getting involved for him as they desperately need the offense as well.
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
9:57 pm
DOB, DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS PHILS FAN THE HOWARD CONTRACT EXT 5 YEARS 125 MILL MAY BE THE DEMISE OF MY PHILS NO MATTER HOW MANY SELLOUTS THEY GET???????
DS1
October 19th, 2011
9:58 pm
The cap lock key is on the left side of most keyboards…………
johnny bravo
October 19th, 2011
9:58 pm
Who cares if Reyes goes to Philly. Braves aren’t going to be seriously competitive for at least two more years. Two of our top pitchers are huge injury risks going into the next year and we saw a monumental collapse because of pi## poor hitting. I seriously doubt those hitting woes will be corrected in less than one year. Do you? Nationals will fight us tooth and nail all the way to the finish for second place. You watch and see.
As for this offseason and what to expect- basically nothing major. Maybe a really cheap platoon guy for the corner outfield spots like a Marcus Thames or something like that. Lowe will be in the pen. Nobody with a brain would want this washed up guy making way too much money. I would be really shocked if they can trade him even if they eat up a lot of his remaining contract.
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
9:59 pm
JAKE W. IF SF SIGNS REYES AND FIELDER IN OFFSEASON WITH THAT PITCHING , SF MAY WIN ANOTHER 3-4 WS IN NEXT 5 YEARS
cabravesfan
October 19th, 2011
10:01 pm
DS1 is right. Alex is a premier defensive player at a position where that is so valuable. He can hit better than he did this year also, but his defense is what I value. We get power from non traditional positions like catcher so we can afford to sacrifice a little at SS.
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
10:01 pm
DS1, WHO CARES??????
Jake W.
October 19th, 2011
10:04 pm
Alex is a premier defensive player at a position where that is so valuable. He can hit better than he did this year also, but his defense is what I value. We get power from non traditional positions like catcher so we can afford to sacrifice a little at SS.
If he comes back, maybe just maybe the new hitting coach can work a miracle with the guy. He’ll never be the greatest hitter but hopefully he’ll adapt well and be a tough out like Wren wants this lineup to be up and down spots 1-8.
Bat Masterson
October 19th, 2011
10:04 pm
If prince goes the the giants he might start toking with the freak and ballon up to 500lbs
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
10:06 pm
PRINCE IS A VEGETARIAN, HAVE 2 RESPECT THAT
DS1
October 19th, 2011
10:07 pm
HARRY
OBVIOUSLY YOU DON’T.
Just looks a bit juvenile if you ask me, but then again who cares.
cab
I think Alex will be well sought out by other major league teams. He will cost more than what we got him for last year. Most GM’s see what some bloggers don’t see………. How ya been?
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
10:08 pm
DS1 GET OVER IT LIFE IS SHORT DONT CRY
cabravesfan
October 19th, 2011
10:09 pm
DS1-
I think Alex has expressed a desire to come back. I guess we shall see…but even if he costs a bit more than $1M, he’s not going to be anywhere near what Rollins will cost. I’ve been good. You?
T for Texas
October 19th, 2011
10:09 pm
Some Braves fans actually see Gonzalez for what he is; a superb defensive SS that saved more runs with his glove than he gave away with his low OBP. DS1
Unless you can quantify how many runs he saved with his glove this is much like FOX News constant use of “People say….” as a means of inserting their own editorial opinion into the public dialogue.
He can hit better than he did this year also,
.642 OPS this season and .690 OPS for his career. So this is true I guess, but a very liberal MSNBC use of ‘better.’
Jake W.
October 19th, 2011
10:10 pm
Cruz with the kick save
jeffrey d
October 19th, 2011
10:10 pm
Just looks a bit juvenile if you ask me, but then again who cares.
No, I get why he shouts. People talk loud when they want to sound smart, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6oAQHROtzs
DS1
October 19th, 2011
10:10 pm
Damn! I respect LaRussa as a great manager; I just don’t like him.
Bat
I have heard that Prince was a vegetarian. He either has a medical issue, or he eats a shyt load of beans!
cabravesfan
October 19th, 2011
10:11 pm
T-
Not liberal, just true. He has hit better in his career, and he is capable of hitting better with the Braves.
cabravesfan
October 19th, 2011
10:12 pm
You can be vegetarian and be fat.
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
10:12 pm
AND CHEESE
jeffrey d
October 19th, 2011
10:13 pm
I think Prince is a vegan
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
10:15 pm
AND HE TYPES IN ALL CAPS ALSO, GOT IT FROM HIM
Bat Masterson
October 19th, 2011
10:17 pm
Wayne __
Lotta water in a bushel of lettuce. Maybe he needs a diuretic
DS1
October 19th, 2011
10:19 pm
cab
I am well. Busy as heck. Darn slow internet connection in Backwoods Idaho tonight. Frustrating. Last year Alex got a 2.5 million dollar extension, which was club friendly for a good defensive SS. I’m guessing he’ll need 3-4 million for a 1 year contract or a 4-5 million/2 year deal. Just my guess though.
T for Texas
Now you KNOW than anything reported on FNC has got to be true. And you’re starting to sound like Shaun on the quantifying part. Nearly impossible to quantify defense. I trust my eyes and the baseball experts I respect.
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
10:19 pm
DID YOU KNOW LETTUCE IS THE ONLY FOOD YOU CAN EAT A OUNCE AND LOSE A OUNCE WHILE EATING IT, ITS TRUE THE CALORIES YOU BURN CHEWING ARE MORE THAN THE LETTUCE AS IT ALL WATER
T for Texas
October 19th, 2011
10:21 pm
Cab-
Liberal, as in generous. Meaning that to imply .690 is appreciably better than .642 is generous. Both stink to high heaven. His defense is outstanding, but to assume it makes up for his production at the plate is generous, because I have yet to see a true quanitification of how many runs his glove saves versus that of another capable MLB SS who is better with the stick. It is just conjecture/
T for Texas
October 19th, 2011
10:24 pm
And you’re starting to sound like Shaun on the quantifying part.
That is weak, Wayne.
tiger297
October 19th, 2011
10:27 pm
whatup peeps…fat old man staggering to the couch my crew is
well they are all on the blog already so hi
DS1
October 19th, 2011
10:31 pm
T
Didn’t you see my evil little smiley?
And yes, if we could get an above average fielding SS that would OBP around .325 or more, I do it.
But I’d be very reluctant to go with a lesser defensive SS unless we don’t have a choice (Alex signs elsewhere).
Snotboogie
October 19th, 2011
10:32 pm
McCarver after Mark “scrabble” gets the K and Buck comments on Mark’s nickname:
“It’s a 5 letter word. S T R I K E”.
I dont know if this is worse or when Ben Ingram said after a HR ” That HR went an acre”.
nolie
October 19th, 2011
10:32 pm
GONZO Total Runs
Year…Runs Created…Runs Saved…Baserunning
Runs Position Total
Runs
2003 70 -3 3 33 103
2004 58 8 0 34 100
2005 48 2 -1 27 77
2006 46 3 -1 24 72
2007 56 5 -1 22 82
2009 37 -5 1 24 57
2010 73 16 -1 34 122
2011 50 15 1 33 99
Jake W.
October 19th, 2011
10:34 pm
The Cobra on the mound
nolie
October 19th, 2011
10:34 pm
C’mon St Louis, kick some AL butt……..
Jake W.
October 19th, 2011
10:35 pm
The Cobra off the mound….
From closer to situational lefty
nolie
October 19th, 2011
10:37 pm
we can see that Gonzo had his best defensive years since 2003 in ‘10 and ‘11
Roman Gal
October 19th, 2011
10:37 pm
The cap lock key is on the left side of most keyboards………… DS1
Eh. Sometimes it makes it easier to distinguish between scroll-worthy and nonscroll-worthy posts…
nolie
October 19th, 2011
10:43 pm
yeah all caps is almost a guaranteed scroll-by for me
cabravesfan
October 19th, 2011
10:49 pm
RG-
HI! Where have you been??
tiger297
October 19th, 2011
10:50 pm
DOB – let me knoww if you make it to Roswell Tap & try the pittsburgh club-capicola…looks like primanti’s wonder how close it is
nolie
October 19th, 2011
10:51 pm
this year Andrus accounted for 19 more total runs than Gonzo, but some of that had to do with being in a much better offense
T for Texas
October 19th, 2011
10:53 pm
Sorry, Wayne I am not fluent in emoticon so I misunderstood–thought that one was ‘angry.’ It just seems to me that the number of balls hit to SS that Alex can get to that other MLB SSs cannot get to is a low number. And that the number of those balls that he can get to that others can’t that then would lead to a run scoring is even lower. Yet the futility at the plate is well documented, quantifiable, and apparent.
T for Texas
October 19th, 2011
10:55 pm
“It’s a 5 letter word. S T R I K E”.
I did like Buck’s play on that later, “That results in a 4 letter word…OUT”
Roman Gal
October 19th, 2011
10:56 pm
cab-
Work…
tiger297
October 19th, 2011
10:57 pm
RG got a job …great going
tiger297
October 19th, 2011
10:57 pm
and sorry for your loss as well
Roman Gal
October 19th, 2011
10:59 pm
tiger-
Which loss?
nolie
October 19th, 2011
10:59 pm
Gonzo led baseball in runs saved this season , but several others like Andrus were close
DS1
October 19th, 2011
11:00 pm
Folks, I’m going to check out. I am having a heckuva time posting and refreshing with this low speed connection tonight.
C’mon Rangers! Dangit!
nolie
October 19th, 2011
11:01 pm
C’mon Cards, dabnabit!
T for Texas
October 19th, 2011
11:01 pm
Noles, how are runs saved determined?
cabravesfan
October 19th, 2011
11:01 pm
RG-
Welcome to the real work
It’s not much fun…
nolie
October 19th, 2011
11:02 pm
so it can be quantified and is being quantified, though admittedly with a bit less reliability than hitting stats
Roman Gal
October 19th, 2011
11:04 pm
Oh, and cab…
Guess what comes out October 24!!
AWESOME!!!
nolie
October 19th, 2011
11:04 pm
Each position is evaluated differently. Pitchers are evaluated by their plus/minus runs saved and stolen base runs saved. Catchers are evaluated by their pitcher handling earned runs saved and stolen base runs saved. Corner infielders, middle infielders and outfielders each have a plus/minus runs saved score based on their range in the field. Corner infielders also have a bunt runs saved score, while middle infielders have a double plays runs saved score. Outfielders have an arms score and a home run saving catches score.
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
11:05 pm
SCREW THE CARDS U HATE THEM ALON W/SF, GO TEXAS
T for Texas
October 19th, 2011
11:06 pm
It’s not much fun…
Hey, just because I chalanged an aeertion you were making is no reason to get mad. It can’t all be Clifton Jansky jokes all day long all the time.
cabravesfan
October 19th, 2011
11:06 pm
RG-
You have fun with that…
T for Texas
October 19th, 2011
11:06 pm
assertion
tiger297
October 19th, 2011
11:06 pm
RG – the loss of your soul by entering the work world…
cabravesfan
October 19th, 2011
11:07 pm
T-
I have no idea what that even says…you want to translate?
nolie
October 19th, 2011
11:09 pm
It may not be perfect but if its consistent among all players, it can help rank them a bit
I do agree that its a fallacy to think that a great defensive player who is nothing at all at bat will make up entirely on defense if compared to a good hitting average defender.
For the Braves though I think it important to keep good range at short since the other three IFers are all fence posts
T for Texas
October 19th, 2011
11:09 pm
middle infielders and outfielders each have a plus/minus runs saved score based on their range in the field.
I guess that would be my point, there is no reliable way, yet, to determine range.
VaBravesFan
October 19th, 2011
11:09 pm
SeaBass should be back for sure. One of the best defensive Shortstops still. He should come pretty cheap. (Around 2 mil) I mainly like him cause of the price. I really think Pestornicky will be on the 25 man roster at some point during the season. No need to sign any Shortstop Longterm. We really have to count on Dan Uggla, Martin Prado, and Jason Heyward to improve. Even if we just lower our expectations on Heyward and realize he’s very young still. Look at Justin Upton and finally breaking out after a few seasons. I think everyone would be pretty happy if J-Hey posted a 275. 350. 450. line.
nolie
October 19th, 2011
11:10 pm
gee Harry hates the Cards as much as Tomahawkin did
Roman Gal
October 19th, 2011
11:10 pm
tiger-
Ha. Yeah…
On the bright side, I get $10 designer sunglasses as a perk. At least I can hide my soulless eyes…
tiger297
October 19th, 2011
11:11 pm
how many pairs do you get
Roman Gal
October 19th, 2011
11:12 pm
cab-
Thought you would appreciate that. It is OCTOBER after all.
nolie
October 19th, 2011
11:13 pm
of course there is. all plays are videoed. watching where the player gets to is a pretty fair idea of range. not excac but not really much different than a scout would do and they assign range values from day one with every player.
T for Texas
October 19th, 2011
11:13 pm
Damn, cab. Now you want me to make sense? What is your deal, dude? I thought we were buds, but I guess all your friends can spell and type somewhat correctly and that is what it takes to be in your clique, blog-snob.
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
11:13 pm
HERE COMES A HR
Roman Gal
October 19th, 2011
11:14 pm
tiger-
5. Although, I’ll be lucky if I get one pair. Everyone has high expectations for their Christmas present this year. Greedy b*stards…
HARRY KALAS
October 19th, 2011
11:14 pm
SHOULD BE PHILS UP 1-0, DAM
DS1
October 19th, 2011
11:15 pm
@nolie For the Braves though I think it important to keep good range at short since the other three IFers are all fence posts
Precisely! (the internet connection sitting in bed (versus at the desk) seems to be faster.
Roman Gal
October 19th, 2011
11:15 pm
blog-snob
Ha. So true.
Mixxo
October 19th, 2011
11:16 pm
Those Cardinals……….WOW!!
nolie
October 19th, 2011
11:16 pm
bah Nellie is a 700 hitter away from Texas
cabravesfan
October 19th, 2011
11:17 pm
T-
You should know me well enough to know when I’m joking
After all, the only reason I can spell is because VJ is around…
RG-
Mixxo
October 19th, 2011
11:17 pm
How are our Braves even in the same league as St. Louis?
That my friends……..is Major League Baseball.
Roman Gal
October 19th, 2011
11:18 pm
SHOULD BE PHILS UP 1-0, DAM
Well the Phillies are up. They’re up in Pennsyvania sitting on their tushes…