Great hitters can shine brightest in postseason

There’s a baseball axiom that says good pitching beats good hitting, and we often hear it applied especially to postseason games. I’ve always bought into it, at least as a general principle.

But after watching a few hitters dominate this postseason, I got to thinking. While great pitching almost always beats good hitting, and good pitching sometimes beats great hitting, good-to-mediocre pitching versus good-to-great hitting is a very different matter.

Re-read that sentence if you want to. I’ll wait….

Especially if the good pitchers in question are a little tired by the time the postseason rolls around.

And before anyone points to Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira, Gary Sheffield or other examples of great hitters being shut down more often than not by good pitching in a lot of postseason games, let me get to the guys I was referring to, a quartet from this postseason.

Albert Pujols (granted, one of the greatest hitters that ever lived), Ryan Braun, Miguel Cabrera (done now, but sure helped take his team far) and Nelson Cruz.

Cabrera won't get to go for a second World Series ring this year, but not through any fault of his. He had another resounding postseason performance.

Cabrera won't get to go for a second World Series ring this year, but not through any fault of his. He had another resounding postseason performance.

We took one hitter from each of the last four teams in this 2011 postseason tourney. (And then we’ll compare them to a couple of notable Braves hitters in postseason play.)

What got me thinking (or re-thinking, as it were) of that axiom is the fact that these four guys have done it not just for one series or one postseason. Each has been in multiple postseasons, and each has raked in the vast majority of those games.

– Cabrera has a .282 average and .956 OPS in 28 career postseason games with Florida and Detroit, which was eliminated by Texas on Saturday. Toss out the first three games of his postseason career, and his numbers are even more impressive: .309 with eight homers, 22 RBIs, a .409 OBP and 1.037 OPS in 25 games, with a 14-11 record and a World Series ring.

– Cruz has had plenty of support, offensively and otherwise, but consider that the Rangers slugger has hit .289 with 12 homers, 24 RBIs and a 1.083 OPS in 26 postseason games, all in the past two years. The Rangers are 15-11 with a 3.86 ERA in postseason games during that span, and Cruz drove in 24 of their 126 runs in those games. (He had six homers and 13 RBIs in six games over the past eight days.)

– Pujols has hit .336 with 14 homers, 44 RBIs and a .438 OBP and 1.030 OPS in 66 career postseason games. Toss out his first postseason in 2001, and Albert has put up these absurdly strong postseason stats: .355 average with 31 extra-base hits (13 homers), 42 RBIs and a .456 OBP in 61 postseaon games.

Pujols has been as good or better in postseason games than he has in regular season games, where he's been the best hitter of the past decade.

Pujols has been as good or better in postseason games than he has in regular season games, where he's been the best hitter of the past decade.

In other words, he’s been even better against the presumably higher-level pitchers of postseaon play than he’s been in regular-season games during that decade-long period.

By the way, speaking of Albert and St. Louis, going into their game tonight (Sunday) against Milwaukee, the Cards are now 17-12 in 29 postseason games beginning in 2006.

That’s four more postseason wins for the Cardinals in 29 games over the past six years than the Braves have in their past 41 games going back to the 1999 NLCS vs. the Mets.

And the Rangers are 15-11 in the 2010-2011 postseasons, two more wins than the Braves have since … well, you get my point.

Atlanta won six consecutive postseason games in the 1999 division series vs. Houston and first three games of the NLCS vs. New York. Then they lost nine of their next 10 postseason games, beginning a stretch in which the Braves have gone 13-28 with a .230 batting average and 4.35 ERA in 41 postseason games, including 6-15 at home. Yikes.

Chipper Jones, the only Brave who’s been with the team for all those postseason games, hit .255 with six homers, 21 RBIs, a .393 OBP and .824 OPS in 37 games during that period (he missed the four last year vs. San Francisco recovering from knee surgery).

He was pitched around frequently in those games, in part because other Braves hitters rarely gave opposing teams reason not to. (See: Sheffield, et al.). For his career, Jones has a .288 average, .411 OBP and .870 OPS in 92 postseason games, with 13 homers and 47 RBIs.

Besides Chipper, Andruw Jones is the only other Brave to play in all of the games in that Atlanta playoff drought except, obviously, last year’s series vs. San Francisco.

In the other 37 of those 41 Braves games, Andruw hit a respectable .279 with a .365 OBP, but drove in only 17 runs and struck out 30 times (with 18 walks) in 136 at-bats. The Braves were 12-25 in the last 37 postseason games Andruw and Chipper played together.

OK, my original point is in there somewhere, and this NLCS game is about to start, so I’ll hurry and finish and get this posted.

The last guy of the four I mentioned from this postseason is Braun.

Braun has hit over .400 in his postseason career, with 11 RBIs in his past 11 games.

Braun has hit over .400 in his postseason career, with 11 RBIs in his past 11 games.

Braun has a .407 average, .450 OBP and 1.035 OPS in 14 career postseason games, including nine extra-base hits (two homers) and 11 RBIs in his past 11 games.

Teammate Prince Fielder has played in the same 14 career postseason games as Braun, and Fielder has hit just .208 with a .339 OBP, albeit with four homers and eight RBIs. So yes, great hitters can be shut down by good/great pitching, as the axiom goes.

But as we illustrated, it’s hardly the rule, as we’ve seen again this postseason.

♣ Maybe the Braves will have a chance to test the theory again before long. And maybe they’ll have a great hitter or two to test the theory. This year, they did not, at least not a great hitter over the course of the entire season, due to slumps and/or injuries or whatever.

Speaking of the Braves’ disappointing hitting, we’re still getting no feel for when they’ll hire a new hitting coach to replace Larry Parrish, who was fired two days after the season ended and with one year left on his two-year contract.

After leading the NL with a .339 OBP and tying for fifth with a .740 OPS in Terry Pendleton’s final season as hitting coach in 2010, the Braves slipped to 14th in OBP (.308) and 11th in OPS (.695) in 2011.

As of Friday, general manager Frank Wren would say only that the Braves had already interviewed some candidates and had more interviews scheduled.

I know that one of the candidates interviewed was Greg Walker, who stepped down as White Sox hitting coach after the 2010 season (he came under some fire in Chicago for the team’s general lackluster performance past couple of seasons, and specifically for the horrid season by Adam Dunn this year and the lack of development by former top draft pick Gordon Beckham, the Atlanta native and former UGA standout).

One of the candidates is not Pendleton, at least not so far. And I’d assume if they had any intentions whatsoever of asking Pendleton, now first-base coach, to return to hitting coach, they’d have asked him right away to make an awkward situation less so.

Another presumed candidate is Jaime Dismuke, 41, the Braves’ popular Triple-A hitting coach. If anyone in the organization is going to get the job, everyone I’ve talked to believes it’ll be Dismuke, who is a good communicator and hands-on guy.

Dismuke was passed over for the job a year ago, when the Braves hired a guy (Parrish) with a lot of playing, coaching and managing experience, but no specific experience as a hitting coach for a minor league or major league team.

Red Sox hitting coach Dave Magadan played for the Marlins when Frank Wren was Florida's assistant GM.

Red Sox hitting coach Dave Magadan played for the Marlins when Frank Wren was Florida's assistant GM.

So will Wren go the safe route this time and get a proven major league hitting coach, someone like Red Sox hitting coach Dave Magadan, for instance? Magadan, 49, is in a bit of limbo in Boston, with a year left on his contract (plus an option), but uncertain of his status until they settle their GM and managerial situations.

Just an FYI, Wren has known “Mags” for a long time, and the latter played for the Marlins in 1993-94 when Wren was Florida’s assistant GM under Dave Dombrowski. I don’t know what Frank thinks of him or whether Magadan will be interviewed.

OK, let’s get this posted. We’ll not skip nearly as long between blogs the rest of the winter. It’s just that, as you know, there has been almost nothing to report on the Braves in the past week or two. It’s the deadest period of the year for teams that don’t make the postseason.

But it’ll end soon, and the rumors and speculation will start to fly, along with some actual news developments.

We’ll close with a terrific tune by ex-Replacements leader Paul Westerberg, “Ghost on the Canvas,” which you can hear by clicking here. And also check out the excellent cover by Glen Campbell, who used the song as the title cut on his strong 2011 album. Campbell was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s and has said it would be his last album. Click here for that version.

Paul Westerberg

Paul Westerberg

“GHOST ON THE CANVAS” by Paul Westerberg

I know a place between life and death for you and me
Best take hold on the threshold of eternity
And see the ghost on the canvas
most people don’t see there
Ghost on the canvas
most people don’t know
When they’re looking at soul

In between here and there, there is a place that we can grow
The spirits make love in the wheat field with crows
Like the ghost on the canvas
most people don’t see this
Ghost on the canvas
No, they never see a soul

Ring around the rosary
pocket full of prose you read
Ashes ashes we all fall in love
with the ghost on the canvas

We dream in color, others they color their dreams
It takes one to know one
The spirit always knows what it sees

Like the ghost on the canvas
never can have us
The ghost on the canvas,
it’s the soul, it makes them go
to the ghost on the canvas

I’m a ghost on the canvas

– David O’Brien, Braves/MIB blog

3,790 comments Add your comment

TnBrian

October 16th, 2011
8:54 pm

Enter your comments hereFIRST! AGAIN!

TnBrian

October 16th, 2011
8:55 pm

Man that is twice in a row!

God I need to get out more. :sad:

Venice Jim

October 16th, 2011
8:55 pm

We need a ruling on whether a first can be counted if preceded by “Enter Your Comments”… ;)

Efrim

October 16th, 2011
8:55 pm

Braves ages next year:

C McCann – 28
1B Freeman – 22
2B Uggla – 32
SS
3B Jones – 40
LF Prado – 28
CF Bourn – 29
RF Heyward – 22

SP Hudson – 36
SP Hanson – 25
SP Jurrjens – 26
SP Beachy – 25
SP Minor – 24

RP Kimbrel – 24
RP Venters – 27
RP O’Flaherty – 27
RP Medlen – 26
RP Martinez – 30

jeffrey d

October 16th, 2011
8:59 pm

Great blog….thanks, DOB

TnBrian

October 16th, 2011
9:00 pm

Sorry Venice, I think I just got overly excited and forgot to proof read. Like I said, I need to get out more. But I’d be lying if I said there wasn’t a tad bit of enjoyment being “first” two blogs in a row since I have never been “first” once in the years I have posted here.

David O'Brien

October 16th, 2011
9:04 pm

Had a “hitting” where should have been “pitching” in second paragraph, now fixed.

Moe Berg

October 16th, 2011
9:08 pm

Wow, this is quite a slug fest. Guessing the World Series will be as well, regardless of which of these teams gets in.

kevin Mckillop

October 16th, 2011
9:15 pm

The braves should drop Jones so we don,t have to put up with the injuries.I would like to know just how many games jones sat out this year.He never was put on the DL like all other players and just sat on the bench and wait to pinch hit.Its really sad but he needs to GO.

cabravesfan

October 16th, 2011
9:18 pm

Drop as in release? Yeah, good idea. So they can pay him not to play? Besides, you don’t do that to Chipper.

Moe Berg

October 16th, 2011
9:19 pm

kevin Mckillop–So you want to pay him $14 Million to not play? That does not seem like a prudent use of funds.

Michael

October 16th, 2011
9:25 pm

DOB – Please keep up your good work. Even during this painful offseason, a lot of people are still reading. You know the sad thing – compared to Boston/NY, we Atlanta Braves fans turn off so quickly and do not seem to care about the future of Braves. The saying applies to the Braves management as well. Log on to Boston Glob and see how many articles they have and how much they care. The Braves organization is proud of steady approach, which in times of this has become “inaction”. That worries me and lots of fans. Wren said this about the hitting coach “during the season it is apparent not a good fit”. It tells a lot – the season is 6 months long, why did we have to wait THAT long to act? I am not sure how long we can survive if we fail to address any outstanding issues for that long in our jobs? For 99.99% people woring in corporate America, they would be out of job long time ago.

interested bystanderss

October 16th, 2011
9:25 pm

Glad there is no picture of prince

Efrim

October 16th, 2011
9:25 pm

That was some opening 25 minutes……..

gd from nz

October 16th, 2011
9:26 pm

Ok anyone know the answer to the following:
-Whats the record for home runs in a post season game – Brewers v Cards up to 6 and its only the 3rd inning
-What about most pitchers used in a 9 Inning post season game – Milwaukee up to 3 and St Louis 2 and we are only in the 3rd inning.

I have no idea what the answer is, this is not a quiz, but does anyone know the answer – maybe Cards v Brewers will come close

BravesFanSince80's

October 16th, 2011
9:27 pm

I guess I have to ask this question once again to yet another ridiculously unrealistic fan, kevin: in your mind’s eye just how should a long-term professional athlete end their career? Is it fair to point fingers at an aging athlete whose spent their entire career with your team and turned in a HOF performance all those years? Don’t you think if he could be on the field every day and play at the high level he’s accustomed to, he would? Where’s your loyalty man? Or are you another one of those sports fans who only cheer when the trophy gets carried out?

Moe Berg

October 16th, 2011
9:32 pm

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
My 7-year-old is scoring this game and has developed carpal tunnel syndrome.

cabravesfan

October 16th, 2011
9:43 pm

Two entire half innings with no runs?

Bill

October 16th, 2011
9:50 pm

Yes, DOB you can add to Pujols # as he has hit homer tonight etc…

Walker came under fire from the GM only..The owner and Ozzie backed Walker. Walker total the owner 4 weeks before season was over he was not coming back..Greg is also a good cummunicator and hands on guy if that means anything. Who every the Braves hire is up to Wrens and I expect it to be a good ole boy..from inside (are friend) with same old approach. We need some new ideas in this system..
Dave Magadan would bring a new idea…..so would Walker.

Tony Horton

October 16th, 2011
10:00 pm

23rd and proud of it. All I know is that this Braves team – considering the drag on it from Chipper and Lowe’s paychecks (let’s not forget Kamakazi) – will be an 88 win team for the next 3 years plus and the loser announcers will continue to get on me and my family for not “getting behind this near playoff team by attending some games”. Sorry but I just don’t have the cabbage for that. Costs WAY too much for my family – not to mention the SUCK time spent getting to the Ted – to attend a lesson in mediocrity (sic) just so I can “get behind the Braves”. Heck, I could just go to a Falcon’s game…..No, wait a minute, that costs way too much too. Have fun multi-million $ players who sit out with a “sore labrum”. I will not be financing your sorry arses.

Ronald Mac

October 16th, 2011
10:02 pm

I’m down wit dat Tony.

Freddie GONE-Winless

October 16th, 2011
10:04 pm

Yeah, Tony kind of sums it all up for me too. I’m spending my sparse pesos at high school and college games. Got no time for this pro crap. I’m out.

TnBrian

October 16th, 2011
10:04 pm

Michael,yeah that is weird Wren knew Parrish was all wrong pretty much the whole time, but he stayed all the way until the collapse was complete. Very strange. Souds like they wanted no part of possibly distraction the team with any firing, but there is a chance a firing might’ve helped prevent a meltdown like they had. Who knows for sure about that though. But yeah, weird stuff.

Could Be Worse-Could be 1984

October 16th, 2011
10:05 pm

The Braves were boring – as always – and painful to watch this year. It’s just not a good product. I used to be in a circle of friends who loved going to games and watching them but now we all just don’t care.

President O-Bummer

October 16th, 2011
10:07 pm

Ship ‘em to Winnipeg with the Thrashers ({send the Hawks too)

Smartest Sports Fan Ever

October 16th, 2011
10:09 pm

Hate’n the Braves. Is it time for a new stadium again? That seems to give us false hope for a while

gd from nz

October 16th, 2011
10:09 pm

So the general consensus seems to be unless the team is winning, they are not worth supporting?

Where I come from this is called being a fairweather fan and these type of fans are usually scorned as lightweights – not real fans at all.

Being a sports fan is supposed to be heart breaking – you can’t win all the time.

Harden up guys

Chipper Brittle Bones

October 16th, 2011
10:10 pm

Maybe Kamakazi and Lowe can start the season for us since Jar Jar and Hansen are done.

Blow me gd

October 16th, 2011
10:11 pm

Not winning games that count for 16 years running – yeah, we’re all fair weathered gd from nz. Get a clue loser boy

yes

October 16th, 2011
10:12 pm

84 was bad but we had a lot of fun. Partying in parking lot after game with worker and sometimes players.

Roger McBowel

October 16th, 2011
10:12 pm

Yeah Blow – you got that right. Too many years of nothing but early exits. That don’t make us fair weathered. That makes us smart.

Roger McBowel

October 16th, 2011
10:13 pm

Yes – im wit you on that. Plus, I was a lot younger in 84!

Crime Dog

October 16th, 2011
10:14 pm

No fire in their belly since I left the team! (No fire in the press box either!)

Michael

October 16th, 2011
10:14 pm

TnBrian – Thanks.

Everytime when DOB reported how Jones is helping others improve their hitting (which is great by Jones) I cannot help but question – where is our hitting coach, and what is he doing? It does not take a rocket scienist to figure that something is terribly wrong and needs to be addressed.

Bobby C

October 16th, 2011
10:16 pm

They suck worse than when I coached them for sure. “Gotta tip your hats to ‘em”

gd from nz

October 16th, 2011
10:17 pm

All Blacks haven’t won the World Cup since 1987, although it is going to be our year this year.

Go the Mighty All Blacks!!!

Bobby C

October 16th, 2011
10:18 pm

It ain’t rocket surgery for sure Michael. Look like my men’s softball team out there swinging for the fences every at bat. Where is the situational hitting? We’ll be asking that same question for the next several years until they get tired of Freddi’s act.

Bobby C

October 16th, 2011
10:19 pm

Is World Cup for women’s volleyball? I like black women playing volleyball tood gd

Bobby C

October 16th, 2011
10:19 pm

Dang, I gotta lay off the sauce. Can’t spel two wehl.

Kat

October 16th, 2011
10:20 pm

Thanks for the new blog David, expectations met.

Bobby C

October 16th, 2011
10:20 pm

Well at least we got the………………………………………………..ah crap.

extremus

October 16th, 2011
10:20 pm

Great hitters can shine the brightest in the postseason…and that’s a big reason the Braves haven’t sniffed the World Series in about ten years. They’ve had a few good hiiters, but no great ones and, especially recently, some pretty awful ones filling the daily lineup card.

One thing’s for certain; if the Braves (or any team) truly wish to win the World Series, it takes pitching AND hitting that are both consistent and dependable; hoping one is enough to suffice results in almost inevitable disappointment.

Tommy Tutone

October 16th, 2011
10:21 pm

I think we give the Braves 10 more years and then that’s it! I’m trying to harden up.

Tommy Tutone

October 16th, 2011
10:23 pm

Kat – you sound cute, gimme a call …… 8675309

gd from nz

October 16th, 2011
10:23 pm

All Blacks = 24 years
braves last win 1995
1995 + 24 = give up on them in 2019

Fred Kahlil

October 16th, 2011
10:23 pm

I’m with Bobby. “ah crap” is right.

Fred Kahlil

October 16th, 2011
10:24 pm

OK gd. I’ll stick with them til 2019. Thanks for trying to keep us positive bro.

Lady Gaga

October 16th, 2011
10:25 pm

Has anyone seen my brain?

Venice Jim

October 16th, 2011
10:25 pm

Between the dark and the daylight
When the night is beginning to lower
Comes a pause in the day’s occupation
That is known as the children’s hour…

Jim Venice

October 16th, 2011
10:26 pm

Poetry in motion Venice baby.

Braves fan since 1776

October 16th, 2011
10:27 pm

I agree, they aren’t exciting to watch for long streaks but I hold out hope as Spring training breaks. You never know. The Marlins did it on next to no payroll – lots less than the Braves. Keep saying your prayers…

yes

October 16th, 2011
10:28 pm

I’ve been a Braves fan 45 years and there’s not much I hadn’t seen..the sad thing is all but one year its been “WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR.” No matter the GM, manager, owner, Walter, Peril, Victor, Mr Fisher,The Chief….its always been the same BS and Then Wait till NEXT YEAR!

gd fr nz..u don’t have a clue kid what a real fan is.
I was a fan before Chipper was born and DOB. Hope I get to see one more WS because I don’t have many more WAIT TILL NEXTS Year left.

Braves fan since 1776

October 16th, 2011
10:29 pm

Yes – dead on brother, dead on.

Braves Will "Rise up!"

October 16th, 2011
10:30 pm

May save on payroll to steal the Falcon’s marketing line since they aren’t using it! All seriousness, keep the faith. Have a good night and week everyone in blog land!

Kat

October 16th, 2011
10:31 pm

Tommy-

Ha, will Jenny pick up?

Venice Jim

October 16th, 2011
10:33 pm

Kat – I think not…

Tommy Tutone

October 16th, 2011
10:33 pm

NO! We can’t let her know about it. Jenny is very vindictive!

Kat

October 16th, 2011
10:34 pm

VJ..

I had to ask, haha. Speaking of which I wonder if anyone really has that phone number in real life.. if so that’s gotta suck.

Tommy Tutone

October 16th, 2011
10:35 pm

Venice Jim – I leave you with this:

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

Moe Berg

October 16th, 2011
10:36 pm

Whenever I hear Longfellow, I always picture the house of my old roommate’s mother. The mother of my roommate when I was studying in Boston lived just down the street from the Wayside Inn. We would go out there some on weekends and walk down to the Inn. A wonderful small town New England feel to the place.

Hank Williams Jr

October 16th, 2011
10:38 pm

Turn out the lights, the party’s over…

Bravefaninok

October 16th, 2011
10:39 pm

Kat

October 16th, 2011
10:34 pm

VJ..

I had to ask, haha. Speaking of which I wonder if anyone really has that phone number in real life.. if so that’s gotta suck.

There is an add on XM radio that uses the number 800 867 5309 and this company http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Benjamin.Franklin.Plumbing.Britton.MI.1.866-867-5309

Venice Jim

October 16th, 2011
10:39 pm

Robert Frost meets Henry Wadsworth Longfellow on the blog – not a turn of events I might have anticipated after the past 15 minutes…

Bat – I was shocked those lines came back to me with no trouble – but I had an experience earlier today with A. E. Housman…

Kat

October 16th, 2011
10:43 pm

Bravefaninok … Thanks, who knew a company would actually use that number.

yes

October 16th, 2011
10:47 pm

11-6 Cards in 7th..What a turn around with there last day trades and Braves died..now Cards will Play rangers in WS it looks like. Unless Mil gets viagra in next 3 innings.

Moe Berg

October 16th, 2011
10:51 pm

Saito pitching his second inning for the first time since May of last year. What made Bobby run him out for two innings? Anyone remember?

yes

October 16th, 2011
10:54 pm

Saito looked good..two score less.

Notice the Cards and Brewer dugouts are clean, no cups and other crap on floor like Braves.

Hit A Single

October 16th, 2011
10:57 pm

Two former Braves starting at shortstop in the W.S.

Bravefaninok

October 16th, 2011
10:58 pm

Kat

October 16th, 2011
10:43 pm

Bravefaninok … Thanks, who knew a company would actually use that number.

A plumber no less……………..LOL

yes

October 16th, 2011
10:59 pm

John Smoltz has done a great job calling the games..wish he was Braves regular man with Joe.

yes

October 16th, 2011
11:00 pm

Cards have one smart manager. Nothing gets by him.

TnBrian

October 16th, 2011
11:02 pm

What does a dguout floor have to do with anything? :lol:

yes

October 16th, 2011
11:04 pm

Shows a little class….like mother said ” clean your room”.

nolie

October 16th, 2011
11:07 pm

Cards have a pretty good lineup when they get going. I find it hard to think that they will actually let Pooholes go :?

Russell Bell

October 16th, 2011
11:09 pm

I think ‘yes’ has nailed why the Braves collapsed in September – the lack of a clean dugout.

TnBrian

October 16th, 2011
11:09 pm

It’s a concrete ground in a dugout though. A dugout. By the way, seems whenever you hear about a classy baseball team the Braves are at the top of the list. That ain’t no lie.

You’re reaching here, far. Stop it.

nolie

October 16th, 2011
11:10 pm

Jordan

October 16th, 2011
11:11 pm

Has anyone seen my peanut butter cups?

nolie

October 16th, 2011
11:12 pm

Brian and I ate them

yes

October 16th, 2011
11:12 pm

Russell Bell..don’t be funny…unless u mean no Class, better yet no hit.
nolie I agree Cards will get the money for Albert.

TnBrian

October 16th, 2011
11:12 pm

it is really easy to see why so many say LaRussa is so arrogant or vain. He wants so bad to get headlines. Perfect example is him bunting Furcal with a big lead late. Rediculous.

Michael

October 16th, 2011
11:16 pm

Hi, “yes”, have you seen any beer bottles or cans in dugout? Maybe they need some V’s – Votka or Viagra.

yes

October 16th, 2011
11:17 pm

LaRussa wants to win..don’t let up. I like that .

The A Bomb - OUTCHOKED ® TWICE!

October 16th, 2011
11:17 pm

Once again a hot wild card team goes to the Series.

Something has to be done.

nolie

October 16th, 2011
11:18 pm

I agree that Tony is an egomaniac, but I would be pouring it on in that situation too.
Take no chances of a turnaround at this point.

yes

October 16th, 2011
11:18 pm

Boston had that Michael..

Michael

October 16th, 2011
11:22 pm

Yes, but I thought “Brewers” have better and easier access to these things……..

yes

October 16th, 2011
11:23 pm

Cards will open the bottles when this game is over. They earned it.

Bravo Nam

October 16th, 2011
11:27 pm

DOB… and others

A couple of questions:

1. Starting pitchers- Commentators and others are all talking about the Braves being in terrific shape with starting pitching, but in desperate need of hitting. I agree with the hitting, but don’t agree with the starting pitching. Tim Hudson is the only current pitcher they have who is a chance each start to pitch seven innings. Jurrjens and Hanson should be able to do this, but have been too erratic to date, and historical and current injury concerns suggest it will be a while before either pitcher consistently pitches 7 innings. Then we’re left with the rookies. Gonzalez’s poor use of the bullpen has been blamed for so many of our relief pitchers burning out. While so many extra innings games didn’t help, I believe the main reason our bullpen being burnt out was due to the lack of innings pitched by our starting pitchers. In a full season, we had only 2 complete games. With the Braves’ starting pitching group as it is currently constructed, even with 9-10 suitors, our bullpen is not going to get any help next year. I think if the Braves want to have a chance of reaching the playoffs next year, they’ve got to protect their bullpen better and bring in one or two dependable innings eaters. I would look at using Lowe (Braves cover most of his salary), Jurrjens and one of our good pitching prospects to trade for one or two of these guys. What are your thoughts on this issue? If you agree, what pitchers do you suggest the Bravos could trade for?

2. Peter Moylan- Should the Braves release him?

Rilo

October 16th, 2011
11:31 pm

Dismuke….not even a question. You need someone who has the respect of the club from day 1. Parrish never had that and we suffered. If not him then I would prefer someone who knows NL pitchers and can formulate a decent scouting report. Again….Parrish couldn’t do.

yes

October 16th, 2011
11:32 pm

not sure but Moylan is out of options..braves will not pick him -up..I read somewhere.

yes

October 16th, 2011
11:35 pm

Rilo, if Dismuke is so good -Why did’t they sent J-Hey down to him this year for help. Also why didn’t he help Frenchy and Schafer?

yes

October 16th, 2011
11:35 pm

Add Nate to that list..

nolie

October 16th, 2011
11:37 pm

they might non-tender Moylan and try to re-sign him if nobody else wants to take a chance on his injury ?

yes

October 16th, 2011
11:39 pm

agree again nolie

BraveFaninBC

October 16th, 2011
11:40 pm

There is only so much a hitting coach can do. There are hired as much as future scape-goats it sometimes seems than for any proven benefit .

Rilo

October 16th, 2011
11:43 pm

Yes.

Because they are stupid….because the sky is blue…..take you’re pick. The fact that they didn’t send those players down doesn’t reflect as poorly on Dismuke as it does FG/FW/LP. They all assumed they could be helped at the ML level. AND THEY FAILED.

Bravo Nam

October 16th, 2011
11:43 pm

Thanks Yes and Nolie. You make a good point, Nolie. Any thoughts people on the first question?

nolie

October 16th, 2011
11:43 pm

gotta put up a safety net to keep the manager and GM’s jobs secure ;)
I do miss Don Baylor, and I never thought that Pendleton was a bad coach.
It would be too embarrassing to hire him back just a year later most likely

yes

October 16th, 2011
11:45 pm

with all due respect I can’t believe that. In fact I know the hours and films etc they watch and study etc

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