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Doc Holliday (Freeman our go to guy)
October 7th, 2011
6:33 pm
After the really bad ending this season had (not everything can be beautiful in life, hard times are inevitable), I feel really good about this young team:
Freeman
Heyward
Jurrjens
Hanson
Uggla
Medlen
Vavaro
Martinez
EOF
Kimbrel
Venters
Teheran
Delgado
Bourn
Prado
Beachy
Minor
Then the 2 HOF, Chipper and Huddy
And well, I will mention Mc in respect of McFann.
Its hard to think this bunch is not coming back and win the division if healthy………Im sure we will see some upgrade to the bench. I just hope they dont bring more trash (as they usually do) to the pen, you know, old, fat, washed up guys………we dont need them.
All we need is to strengthen the bench……..please get rid of Conrad, please. I dont care about his sporadic HR coming from the bench, he is a terrible hitter, not a good contact guy IMO and no good glove.
Look at what teams in the playoffs have………cheap, young talent off the bench…………we dont…….
Phillies have great bench…………and its real cheap………Yankees have Posada, Montero, that guy that covered for Jeter, good guys there
Cards have theriot on the bench
Ok we have Ross, Hinske is good but had horrible year, Diaz is good but inconsistent.
Id stay with Constanza as 4th OF and keep Hinske and Ross……..Go find 2 IF other than Conrad and Wilson and we will be set.
cristianlobo
October 7th, 2011
6:34 pm
He isn’t sharp enough to sell a used car, sir.
Bat Masterson
October 7th, 2011
6:35 pm
I like tommy lee jones so I might try that one.
Yeah I appreciate the rec. If I had my keyboard I would copy some of that dialogue here. I mean that needs to be shared.
Ari
October 7th, 2011
6:39 pm
whoever benard is calm that SH***** DOWN!!!!! u know thats ur teamm……. GOOOO PHILLIES! badlands and brothery hood is in affect! killadelphia murked braves took there hearts crushed them now they dont have any dignity! braves name should be (SORRY) lol……NB.
Lowe Go Away
October 7th, 2011
6:40 pm
I didn’t read every post, but I saw nothing about Doofus’s choice in letting Lowe throw. Was that never mentioned? The man is a train wreck, and so is doofus
cabravesfan
October 7th, 2011
6:41 pm
I’m hungry
nolie
October 7th, 2011
6:45 pm
Then the 2 HOF, Chipper and Huddy Doc
Hudson in the HOF? almost surely not
Ari
October 7th, 2011
6:46 pm
dofus is shut down!!!!
nolie
October 7th, 2011
6:46 pm
Bat, the Tommy Lee movie is In the Electric Mist
BosnianBaller
October 7th, 2011
6:49 pm
DOB do you think Wren will strike early in the offseason again and get their guy ealry like Uggla last year? I think it kind of sets the tone for the off-season it terms of perhaps setting the market for other players or maybe trying to force a rival to make a move to counter our move
nolie
October 7th, 2011
6:51 pm
First book I read of his was Black Cherry Blues which was #3. I liked it so much I immediately found the first two. In the 4th or 5th book he adds a regular character who is really off the wall, Dave’s ex-partner Clete Purcell who is in all the ones after that.
It’s between this series and Harry Bosch as my two all time favorite series
Skeezix
October 7th, 2011
6:52 pm
I just wish there was something encouraging to hang onto. Our team now holds a record for choking. Just great!
The way things ended, I now have thoughts about that mess carrying over into April & May 2012. What a nightmare that would be.
Did it take September for FW to figure out the situational hitting was awful? It was not good the whole season.
Oh well, go Cards!
Barrett
October 7th, 2011
6:57 pm
“SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT HIS ANALYTICAL MEDIOCRITY…let him ,manage the MISSIPPI braves or just fire that moron and let him sell used cars!!!!!…it is what it is…yeah that is SSSSSSSSSUCKS!!!!!”
Ha. The fact that you spell Mississippi as missippi speaks volumes of your literary genious. Best post of the blog
YEAH That is sucks….
richbrave
October 7th, 2011
6:58 pm
Let me know who wins tonight. I could care less…..but I don’t.
Barrett
October 7th, 2011
6:58 pm
… and now I feel like a tool because I spelled genius, “genious”… DOH
richbrave
October 7th, 2011
6:59 pm
Where’s the head count from the previous blog!
George
October 7th, 2011
7:00 pm
nolie
With you 100% with your reading choices.
Bat Masterson
October 7th, 2011
7:01 pm
I’ll write that movie down. I really like the harry bosch series. I think there is one left I don’t have and ity seems I say that a new one was coming out next month
richbrave
October 7th, 2011
7:01 pm
WHAYLEVILLE HIGH SCHOOL graduating class of 1961
Octavius
October 7th, 2011
7:02 pm
If we have the same chokers and same management back next year, expect the same result.
Bravefaninok
October 7th, 2011
7:03 pm
nolie
October 7th, 2011
6:46 pm
Bat, the Tommy Lee movie is In the Electric Mist
That is a killer movie! but i like most anything Tommy Lee is in.
ESPN2
October 7th, 2011
7:05 pm
Who thinks that phillies gonna actually win? Well ill tell you what i believe that they will!
If any comments please do…
ESPN2
David O'Brien
October 7th, 2011
7:07 pm
Patrick, I think the Yankees have the money to go after any starters they want. But if they, for some reason, be it fiscal constraint or whatever, decide they can’t sign a couple of huge-salaried free agent pitchers, well maybe they’d get one and settle for a couple others in the $10 mill-or-less, which is where D-Lowe might fall if Braves could get them to pay half of his salary.
But I’m just speculating, haven’t heard anything to lead me to believe they’re interested in him. It’s just too early for such talk to start getting out. Teams haven’t had their organizational meetings yet. Braves have theirs next week. It’s obviously going to be difficult to trade Lowe without eating a large chunk of his salary, unless they could trade him and take on another bad contract in return, like we discussed either here or on Twitter about Carlos Lee, for instance.
Grizzled Veteran
October 7th, 2011
7:09 pm
I rarely read the blog (usually just comments by DOB and Carol), and it is even rarer when I comment. But today I simply must commiserate with those of you who do participate – I mean, Shaun and Robert both active on the same day? Good luck to you.
bernard
October 7th, 2011
7:11 pm
if the Phillies lose….then we will send FG over to PHilly to make sure they do even make playoffs next year!!! because…IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!!!……what a stupid….moron…bbbbblockhead……NO BALLs LOSER!!!!
nolie
October 7th, 2011
7:14 pm
at least Shaun is pushing a serious approach believed in by many about the stats for the most part, he just takes it way too far.
Robert on the other hand doesn’t have a clue about anything in baseball.
ESPN2
October 7th, 2011
7:16 pm
Well Benard, i believe that they do have some balls cause there in the running! And the phillies Will win! Now who doesnt have BALLS!!!!
nolie
October 7th, 2011
7:16 pm
I’ve seldom seen much sense in trading one bad contract for another
bernard
October 7th, 2011
7:25 pm
the phillies i agree have balls…i said FG doesn’t and the phils lose…i wont fg to spread the no balls disease to philly to make sure they dont repeat because if FG is in philly next year they will suddenly have NO BALLS why?..BECAUSE IT IS WHAT IT IS????….should be fired for such words
Farnsworthy
October 7th, 2011
7:26 pm
The Snakes centerfielder made a spectacular catch in the 4th.
Re: The Braves. It is bad. Real bad. I don’t have a good feeling about anything going into next year. The best way to approach next year is to assume the worst. Assume that there will be more September 2011s in your future. Unless they spend some jack to get some real hitters and players with heart, that’s the way this fan is looking at next year.
Ebenezer Snerdberg
October 7th, 2011
7:29 pm
DOB, really now, you think the bombers want a can’t, pitch, worthless arm like Lowe? If only, but I quit believing in the tooth fairy these many years ago! He’s going to be like Kamakazi-worthless and wasting a bunch of money. and I agree, Fredi would make a great AA ball manager as long as he takes the rest of his loser coaches with him!
If the Braves front office doesn’t start making big moves in the management and coaching ranks we are going to be without MLB in this town. They’re not going to sell tickets to watch losers.They are going to move on. Folks ’round heah won’t tolerate a loser and that is exactly what Fredi and Wren are!
Farnsworthy
October 7th, 2011
7:33 pm
Ex Brave Saito is pitching for the Brew Crew.
David O'Brien
October 7th, 2011
7:38 pm
DOB do you think Wren will strike early in the offseason again and get their guy ealry like Uggla last year? — Bosnian Baller
No indication so far of how they might go about things. Last year’s trade for Uggla happened sooner than anyone anticipated, but that was in large part because of the knee-jerk reaction by Marlins owner after Uggla rejected their first extension offer.
bravesfanforever
October 7th, 2011
7:41 pm
It seems like this team is too timid to make tough decisions. Larry Parrish should have been fired the minute the team found out that he didn’t have the same philosophy the Braves had. Frank Wren admitted that he wasn’t a good fit. Maybe they made the big mistake in hiring him in the place. What the hell were they thinking?
Back to the point: Why wait until AFTER the season to make a change? They waited for this team to TANK the season before they decided that he wasn’t a good fit? Clearly they could have seen that the OBPs were not the same as 2010 early on. Possibly in the first month??
About Lowe… Why didn’t they put this guy in the bullpen after he started rapidly going downhill after the first half??? This is just bizarre. They wait until AFTER the season once again make a decision. They said, “There may not be room for Lowe in the rotation next year.” WHY DIDN’T THEY MAKE THIS DECISION DURING THE SEASON??? I could have made the prediction that he was going to contribute mightily to this team losing. 17 losses? Really? Come on…
I maintained that if this team was going to make the playoffs Lowe should have been put in the bullpen. I realize this team had injuries but the Braves still had some depth. They had Teheran. From what I have seen Lowe is relatively effective for the first 1-2 innings. He seems to lose gas or the other teams seem to figure him out fairly quickly but he still has been able to get away with the first couple of innings. If Hanson would have been coming back, then it would have been Hudson, Hanson, Beachy and possibly Jurrjens or Delgado. Playoff teams don’t need 5 guys. It’s usually 4 and some teams can even get away with 3. Lowe wasn’t the best candidate and he should have been put in the bullpen to get ready for the post season. That in itself may have saved the season and sent the Braves into the post season. AFTER ALL, IT WAS ONLY ONE GAME!
What is wrong with taking chances? You know making little line up changes or putting Chipper 5th or 6th isn’t going to do it. What about removing the highest paid player from the rotation?? What about firing the hitting coach early on when you find he just “isn’t the right fit”? They BLEW IT. They blew this season. I know, they may not have fixed that incredible slump in September but again, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT *ONE* GAME!
I really am incredibly disturbed about this season. I think they made a lot of bad decisions and I think it was at an organizational level. It was from top to bottom. But who makes the decisions? Who are the leaders who are ultimately responsible? I think we know. It’s obvious.
gd from nz
October 7th, 2011
7:42 pm
Great to see that the organisation views it as unaaceptable not to make the playoffs, bodes well for future years.
So braves fans are disappointed but imagine what is going on in the Yankees organisation now. How do you spend $200m on payroll and end up with the pitching that they have? It’s no wonder they don’t go deep into the playoffs with pitching like that, (amazing that they even won their division)and until they address this and stop mucking around thinking about Tex – Pulhols they are not going to be serious contenders are they? I’d much rather be Wren than Cashman this offseason, at least the braves are pretty well constructed with good pitching and pitching depth, young stars either in MLB or close, and only small tweaks here and there needed. Huge offseason and not an easy problem to solve given that teams are not going to trade elite pitching so maybe the Yankees aren’t serious contenders for a number of years now?
K.K.
October 7th, 2011
7:43 pm
Hey Dave: You think I might get a contract with the Yankees?
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
7:46 pm
Arizona better get to KRod this inning.
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
7:48 pm
Doc H. And well, I will mention Mc in respect of McFann.
Yeah, that’s about all he’s good for these days, isn’t it?
(ITS)
bravesfanforever
October 7th, 2011
7:48 pm
Hey people, it’s not entirely the players who contributed to the failures. Management played a huge part of this. If you don’t have good leadership your talent may not rise to the top. Look at the other teams around the league… No one can tell me that the Braves did not stack up nicely against any of the other top teams in the NL. They were a 95 win team easily. Of course then it’s a crap shoot in the post season, but none the less.
Sure they took a few key injuries but that doesn’t explain September and the fact that they lost by 1 game.
The fact that Freddie G didn’t motivate his players quite enough, the fact that they had a terrible hitting coach, and the fact that Lowe wasn’t removed in August–these things all contributed to the team losing. Hitting, fielding, and pitching are not easy to predict and situational hitting is just not something that you can count on. Guys hit according to their BA’s. Getting a few extra runners in would not have made much difference. I realize we are talking about one game, but having an entire philosophy of walks and getting on base would have made more of a difference than just sacrificing a few runners from 2nd to 3rd or trying to get a .235 hitter to choke up.
bravesfanforever
October 7th, 2011
7:49 pm
The Yankees will be serious contenders every year. Period.
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
7:50 pm
And on cue KRod issues the base on balls.
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
7:52 pm
Miguel Montero will win the SIlver Slugger this year. Good piece of hitting there.
cabravesfan
October 7th, 2011
7:53 pm
The Yankees will be serious contenders every year. Period.
And this has what to do with the Braves?
Farnsworthy
October 7th, 2011
7:53 pm
We ought to ask, how come so many players that the Braves reject, end up starring at other teams? It seems that so many that the Braves reject end up in the playoffs, while the Braves stay home.
gd from nz
October 7th, 2011
7:53 pm
man it’s annoying when they list playoff stats against hitters, pitchers. I’d much rather see there regular season stats to see how they’ve been performing
cabravesfan
October 7th, 2011
7:54 pm
There is a difference between “starring” and “end up in the playoffs”
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
7:54 pm
Howdy, cabravesfan.
cabravesfan
October 7th, 2011
7:55 pm
Hi T
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
7:58 pm
Holding the runner at first, and second baseman on SS side of bag? Dang Chris Young waht do you want?
Patrick
October 7th, 2011
8:00 pm
I have a serious question for everyone.
I do not live in Atlanta so I unfortunately am limited when it comes to Braves news reporting. Also, the only fan reactions I get to read about are on here.
So my question is this:
It is obvious that the Braves blowing the huge wild card lead that they had has made everyone upset. But I am curious as to how far that has gone? How much of an angry backlash has there actually been in Atlanta? From the fans, to radio broadcasting and newspaper reporting/articles? I guess I’m hoping to hear that there is some sincere passion out there from everyone, enough to where the Braves front office really sense it and feel it.
Can people let me know that are from the area what it’s been like with fan reactions (from radio call in shows to posts, blogs, newspapers fan reaction, tv coverage) and media reactions of the like? I know that Atlanta isn’t like New York, Boston, Philly or Chicago where there is SERIOUS pressure from everyone. But I hope due to this enormous choke job that there has been some uprising….
I appreciate any real-not sarcastic, childish/idiotic-responses to this question.
Thanks.
mike mangan
October 7th, 2011
8:01 pm
Fredi,Fredi,Fredi you just have no passion or electricity for the game.We saw how the Marlins folded before you got the ziggy last year.This year the Bravos pull the el foldo act.Maybe just maybe you should circle the wagons as well.I always thought Jim Fregosi would manage the Braves in 2011 and then someone would be brought in.Fredi,No knock but you had no fire or passion for the game.How many times did Bobby Cox get tossed only to have the braves erupt and pull out a win?
How do we go about making changes as the downfall starts at the top.Show some responsibility .Find a hitting coach like Boston had with Francona or possibly The little Hammer Gerald Perry who is available.Ever thought of calling Jermaine Dye to be hitting instuctor.Moves have to be made forget the excuses show so passion because that is what it takes to win games !!!!
gd from nz
October 7th, 2011
8:04 pm
K-rod out of the inning, could be the ballgame right there
phil
October 7th, 2011
8:05 pm
Um, Barrett? Try to get the spelling of genius right before you insult someone by saying they aren’t a genious, ok?
Genius…..got it?
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
8:06 pm
I do not live in Atlanta so I unfortunately am limited when it comes to Braves news reporting.
Patrick, you are here, which means you have found the fountainhead of Braves news. That is serious, there is not another place where you will find out more, faster. As far as outrage goes, I would guess if you use this place as a barometer, there has been much of that. The org seems to be quite aware of it, look at Frank Wrens post season interviews, and the apology letter issued by Schuerholz.
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
8:07 pm
T for Texas Miguel Montero will win the SIlver Slugger this year.
Hmmmmmm…
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
8:10 pm
It’s okay, McFann. Brian will get another streak going starting in 2012.
phil
October 7th, 2011
8:15 pm
Patrick – there has been a great deal of anger. Does it make much difference? Can’t imagine that it does. I know i won’t go back to that stadium until FG is fired. Many want him to stay on. The decision was made to keep the guy. So be it I guess. The guy just isn’t very smart.
With football being king down here, the Braves have already basically been forgotten and really were by most the day after we lost. Others closer to atlanta could answer better on reaction, but i think you get a pretty good idea of how upset many are right here.
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
8:16 pm
And you never know, McFann. The way SS and GG voting goes, Mac could win it simply because over the long haul he is the best hitting C in MLB.
Just as long as Yadier Molina doesn’t get it.
phil
October 7th, 2011
8:17 pm
Fire FG!!
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
8:18 pm
Wow, Brewers. Stay on target….stay on target.
phil
October 7th, 2011
8:18 pm
Diamondbacks are pulling a Braves with RISP….
Wait…check that…never mind!
Mixxo
October 7th, 2011
8:19 pm
LOL @ that FAT-A SSED thug Fielder!!!
Lovin’ that!!
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
8:20 pm
T for Texas—
If Yadier gets it, I may spontaneously combust…he’ll get the GG, anyway.
At least if Montero got it, you couldn’t accuse them of…well, I don’t mean this against Montero…but it wouldn’t be like, “Oh, he just won it ’cause he’s Montero!” Like it would be if Yadier got it…
A-course, I’m sure Montero fans will be thinking that about BMac if he wins it…
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
8:20 pm
Did that post even make sense…?
Mixxo
October 7th, 2011
8:21 pm
DBacks have more resolve in their bat boys than we do in this organization.
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
8:23 pm
I am surprised Aaron Hill did not bunt the runners over. Could have scored the go-ahead run without a hit.
phil
October 7th, 2011
8:23 pm
McFann – eh, sorta!
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
8:24 pm
Totally made sense McFann, and yes that is what they will say if Mac gets it. But so what?
Mixxo
October 7th, 2011
8:24 pm
Henry White….Lets Go!!
phil
October 7th, 2011
8:25 pm
Luckily for the Brew gang, braveesque bats prevailed!
Mixxo
October 7th, 2011
8:27 pm
phil -
lol….we’d never have tied it in that spot. Not even close……. the way we suck.
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
8:28 pm
T for Texas—
OK, good!
Yeah, heck, I don’t care…it wouldn’t be completely true, I mean, other than those last two months, he had a good year…
phil—
phil
October 7th, 2011
8:28 pm
I’m afraid you’re right as no contact would’ve been made….
phil
October 7th, 2011
8:29 pm
Pradocourt with the pop out…
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
8:30 pm
Last time Axford blew a save was in April. But the post season is just exactly like the regular season, no pressure, players perform the same.
phil
October 7th, 2011
8:31 pm
Milwaukee has 5 hits…
One more than our season average.
phil
October 7th, 2011
8:32 pm
T for Tex- exactly right. Look at Kimbrel when the ultimate heat is on….perfection.
Soph
October 7th, 2011
8:33 pm
Hisssssss
phil
October 7th, 2011
8:35 pm
Axford looks like an ax murderer frankly…
phil
October 7th, 2011
8:36 pm
That catch Young made earlier was spectacular….great stuff.
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
8:37 pm
I was wondering what you were hissing at, Soph. Then I re-read lowercase phil.
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
8:37 pm
What’s the matter, Soph?
Mixxo
October 7th, 2011
8:37 pm
That catch Young made earlier was spectacular….great stuff.
You’re right about that. Freekin’ amazing catch in a huge spot.
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
8:37 pm
Oh…I see…
Mixxo
October 7th, 2011
8:38 pm
She’s hissing at me.
phil
October 7th, 2011
8:38 pm
T – could have been your sarcasm being hissed at.
Trey
October 7th, 2011
8:38 pm
Game Time All Da Way Up!!!!
Mixxo
October 7th, 2011
8:39 pm
…and my usual jovial diatribe.
Soph
October 7th, 2011
8:39 pm
That’s a double-edged hiss. Shame on lowercase phil and go D’backs.
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
8:39 pm
Maybe she’s hissing at Peach Pass…
cabravesfan
October 7th, 2011
8:39 pm
I’m bored
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
8:39 pm
Maybe, phil. Maybe.
phil
October 7th, 2011
8:39 pm
Or Mixxo apparently…
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
8:40 pm
cabravesfan—
Pretty sure I will be, too, in a few minutes…
Soph
October 7th, 2011
8:40 pm
Peach Pass owns us.
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
8:40 pm
Dang. I said Howdy, cab. How much more exciting does it get?
Mixxo
October 7th, 2011
8:40 pm
All the “choke” from here on out will never measure up to OUR epic choke job.
*gags*
cabravesfan
October 7th, 2011
8:40 pm
T-
And I said hi back.
Now I’m bored
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
8:40 pm
Are you blogging and driving, Soph?
Mixxo
October 7th, 2011
8:41 pm
Leave then….what’s stopping ya?