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Ward High Hopes back
October 14th, 2011
3:49 pm
There’s one for a laugh…..
David O'Brien
October 14th, 2011
3:49 pm
Braves prospects Joe Terdoslavich (.529) and Cristhian Bethancourt (.500) are 1-2 in avg in ArizFallLeague.
Bethancourt is 8-for-16 w/ a double and 4 RBIs. Terdoslavich, as noted earlier, is 9-for-17 with three doubles, a triple and four RBIs.
I’m going out at end of the month to see those guys play a few games.
cricket
October 14th, 2011
3:50 pm
What I like is they way the Phillies go out ,and get the people they need. Have respect for that. The Braves Gm’s are some what Pathetic some times,but I’ll just have to keep hope alive…
It’s all related to money. If braves had 165mil payroll, CC Sabathia might be pitching for braves next year. Doesn’t make braves’ GMs pathetic.
Lew
October 14th, 2011
3:50 pm
MFin 04 – Good point. Wren should put Pujols on his corporate AMEX.
Ward High Hopes back
October 14th, 2011
3:52 pm
Boy, if the Rangers get C.C. Sabathia…….Watch out……
Efrim
October 14th, 2011
3:52 pm
I wonder where my boy Kelly Johnson ends up. Toronto makes sense for him. Him and Yuni as their middle infield.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
October 14th, 2011
3:52 pm
Just goes to show that there are no original plots…there was an issue of Superboy fifty years ago where he went back in time to prevent Lincoln’s assassination…
ncscoots
October 14th, 2011
3:52 pm
flange, as I think of it, The Gunslinger would be right at home here, wouldn’t he? After all, the very first line of several thousand pages was:
“The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.”
Bat Masterson
October 14th, 2011
3:53 pm
Man, I’m glad y’all reminded me of the Stephen King The Dark Tower series. After I wrap up James Lee Burke, that will be next.
RC
October 14th, 2011
3:53 pm
I agree with you. I don’t think there is a more overrated GM in the sport.
I wouldn’t go as far as calling RAJ the most overrated GM in the sport. I think he’s made some really terrible decisions, but he’s also made some very good trades (first Lee trade, Halladay, Oswalt, Pence), and created an environment that attracts marquee free agents (like Lee last year). Of course, the Howard contract is an albatros that will hamstring the franchise for years, and the second Lee trade (to Seattle) was pretty bad.
Ward High Hopes back
October 14th, 2011
3:54 pm
I’m thinking now, we should hold off,and just go with what we have,and if we can get some one? Try for a trade,or just go with the farm system,and,and save money…..
cricket
October 14th, 2011
3:55 pm
I find it unbelievable that DOB and some seasoned denizens here still find some of Know-It-All’s comments unbelievable. Don’t everyone here know all his rigid views by now? Can’t most of us write his posts pretty much verbatim on any topic?
Murph
October 14th, 2011
3:56 pm
With Chipper’s option being a vesting option, what happens if it vests but he retires at the end of 2012? Does he get that money regardless, do the two parties work out a deal, or does he forfeit the vested year?
ncscoots
October 14th, 2011
3:57 pm
Bat, have you read any of it? If not, I have a suggestion. There are two versions of the first book: the original, and an expanded version King wrote later. Read the original, if you have a choice. Leaner, less polished, (dare I say it?), grittier.
It’s hard to believe, but I’ve actually read the entire series three times, LOL. I’m a sick puppy, but there you go…
Shaun
October 14th, 2011
3:59 pm
Unbelievable? Really? Al Leiter came out and said the late 1990’s Mets had a porn room in their clubhouse. I remember hearing a story Leo Mazzone told about the clubhouse attendant bringing him a beer during games but hiding it in a paper cup so the TV wouldn’t pick it up. I think it’s naive to think this is a huge deal and is “unbelievable.” Not ideal but it’s crazy how much attention it’s getting. Many sports media outlets have become no better than the National Inquirer.
Ward High Hopes back
October 14th, 2011
3:59 pm
No, disrespect for Chipper,but he should hang it up after next year.Chipper buddy your turning into Father Time………
Shaun
October 14th, 2011
3:59 pm
cricket, yes, I’m the one who is rigid about this. I’m the one not seeing any gray area.
cricket
October 14th, 2011
4:00 pm
If chipper retires, he leaves all money on the table. In reality, if he decides to retire, they will strike some deal agreeable to both parties.
Looks like Jamie Dismuke has chipper’s endorsement for hitting coach job.
Murph
October 14th, 2011
4:01 pm
Shaun, I don’t want to put words in DOB’s mouth, but I think his “Unbelievable” comment had more to do with your complete lack of comprehension regarding the basics of team sports than it does anything else.
cricket
October 14th, 2011
4:02 pm
Shaun
October 14th, 2011
3:59 pm
cricket, yes, I’m the one who is rigid about this. I’m the one not seeing any gray area.
Finally he gets it …
McFann O O o
October 14th, 2011
4:03 pm
Shaun I remember hearing a story Leo Mazzone told about the clubhouse attendant bringing him a beer during games but hiding it in a paper cup so the TV wouldn’t pick it up.
Well, at least he was having it in the dugout with his teammates…
Arkansas Transplant
October 14th, 2011
4:03 pm
Snotboogie, here ya go..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dib2rdQK374
Bat Masterson
October 14th, 2011
4:04 pm
scoots_
No I have not read any of it. I wrote it down, but got side tracked with other series and forgot. The original, grittier, got it. Gonna be fun
Lew
October 14th, 2011
4:04 pm
Bat- Which Burke?
I’vr been reading the Dark Tower comics and really like the art and know the paperback cover artist, Micheal Whelan.
Ward High Hopes back
October 14th, 2011
4:05 pm
Well,all talk later,and be cool….. Don’t see the new movie Footloose……..Stay with the old one,and peace…….
Bat Masterson
October 14th, 2011
4:09 pm
Lew_
I’m wrapping up The Neon Rain and have a copy of Heaven’s Prisoners. I plan to read the Dave Robicheaux series. I love the dialect
Murph
October 14th, 2011
4:09 pm
Well,all talk later,and be cool….. Don’t see the new movie Footloose……..Stay with the old one,and peace…….
This is one of the funniest posts I’ve read on here in a long time. I picture Ward walking out of the movie theater in Montana just shaking his head…
Efrim
October 14th, 2011
4:09 pm
I think he’s made some really terrible decisions, but he’s also made some very good trades (first Lee trade, Halladay, Oswalt, Pence), and created an environment that attracts marquee free agents (like Lee last year).
I guess. Kinda felt like those landed in his lap. But it happens.
cricket
October 14th, 2011
4:12 pm
Future deputy GM Ed Wade was also helpful in some of those trades.
HARRY KALAS
October 14th, 2011
4:14 pm
IM AM SEERIIOUSLY CONSIDERING NOT GETTING MLB EXTRA INNINGS PACKAGE NEXT YEAR, AS I LIVE IN CA, THE PHILLIES ARE THE DUMBEST ORGANIZATION EVER, I WOULD HAVE LET OVERRATED HOWARD WALK, I HATE HIM, , SERIOUSLY WHAT WOULD THIS BRAVES CHAT BE LIKE IF WREN DID THIS WITH HOWARD EPECIALLY GETTING INJURED FOR NECT YEAR, YOU GUYS HATE LOWES CONTRACT
Efrim
October 14th, 2011
4:14 pm
I’ll say it again, Cincy is crazy if they trade Votto. No reason they shouldn’t keep him over the next two years, trade Alonso and try to win with the players they have.
Bat Masterson
October 14th, 2011
4:15 pm
They made a New Footloose movie? Good grief
RC
October 14th, 2011
4:15 pm
I guess. Kinda felt like those landed in his lap. But it happens.
I completely agree that it felt like those landed in his lap, but there were other teams that were after those players, and he somehow was able to acquire them. It might have just been a case of “right place, right time”, but if so then he’s been REALLY lucky to be in the right place that many times.
Lew
October 14th, 2011
4:15 pm
Bat- The Robichaux novels are great – I think I’ve read them all. The even made a Tommy Lee Jones version of In The Electric Mist with Confederate Dead – did a pretty good job with it. Check out his Bitterroot Novels, too
RC
October 14th, 2011
4:17 pm
SERIOUSLY WHAT WOULD THIS BRAVES CHAT BE LIKE IF WREN DID THIS WITH HOWARD EPECIALLY GETTING INJURED FOR NECT YEAR, YOU GUYS HATE LOWES CONTRACT
I can’t tell you, because if our front office made decisions like that one I likely wouldn’t be on here to discuss them. I don’t agree with everything we’ve done, but at least I understood the logic behind it. The Howard extension was incomprehensible.
Snotboogie
October 14th, 2011
4:17 pm
I wonder where my boy Kelly Johnson ends up. Toronto makes sense for him. Him and Yuni as their middle infield.
Kelly smiles a lot – like always – and can bring up “average smiles per player” on that infield. Possibly even makes up for Rasmus.
Jeff R
October 14th, 2011
4:17 pm
Different times, Lew. Psychedelic times…
Bat Masterson
October 14th, 2011
4:18 pm
Will do, Lew
I heard about the Tommy Lee Jones movie so I plan to watch it, too.
Snotboogie
October 14th, 2011
4:18 pm
AT,
Okay. Havent watched the movie and so didnt catch the reference.
ncscoots
October 14th, 2011
4:19 pm
No reason they shouldn’t keep him over the next two years, trade Alonso and try to win with the players they have.
Is their pitching good enough, you think? Can those young guys get good enough soon enough to make that work?
keylargo
October 14th, 2011
4:19 pm
Many sports media outlets have become no better than the National Inquirer.
What do you think has happened to the once respectable CNN Headline News? Complete trash of a station now.
HARRY KALAS
October 14th, 2011
4:21 pm
THANK YOU I CALL SPORTS RADIO IN PHILLY AND THEY SAY THE HOWARD EXTENSION IS GREAT, AND I AM CLUELESS, PERSONALLY IN 2010 I WOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN HOWARD A DIME EXTENSION W 2 YEARS LEFT, TAKEN THAT MONEY AND RESIGNED WERTH AT 16 MILL PER YEAR PUT HIM ON 1ST BASE WHEN HOWARD GONE, TAKEN THE REST OF MONET RESIGNED HAMELS, MADSON, AND TAKEN A RUN AT REYES
ncscoots
October 14th, 2011
4:22 pm
What do you think has happened to the once respectable CNN Headline News? Complete trash of a station now.
Geez, what was the name of the husky-voiced babe who was on Headline News? Anybody?
(Notice what the mention of “Headline News” brings to my mind first, LOL)
Lew
October 14th, 2011
4:25 pm
Bat – Tommy Lee Jones wasn’t how I had pictured Robichaux and they took some liberties with the book, but TLJ is such a good actor it wasn’t particularly bothersome.
Burke’s real life daughter Alafair is a pretty good author in her own right. Writes legal thrillers based in the Pacific northwest.
TennesseePaul
October 14th, 2011
4:26 pm
They all look pretty, if there’s just two in the room
No. No they don’t. That’s prison talk. I’ll have no part in it.
keylargo
October 14th, 2011
4:26 pm
NCScoots – I imagine you remember this guy. I can remember him coming in and the catcher not being able to catch two or three of his warmups throws. Send him out with a six pack of Bud under his belt? Life threatening.
Rinold George “Ryne” Duren (February 22, 1929 – January 6, 2011) was an American relief pitcher in Major League Baseball.[1]
He was known for the combination of his blazing fastball and his very poor vision. With his thick coke bottle glasses, few batters dared to dig in against Duren. Casey Stengel said, “I would not admire hitting against Ryne Duren, because if he ever hit you in the head you might be in the past tense.”
Snotboogie
October 14th, 2011
4:27 pm
Geez, what was the name of the husky-voiced babe who was on Headline News? Anybody?
Notice what the mention of “Headline News” brings to my mind first, LOL
I too remembered that one first.Dont watch the channel, but remembered big billboards with her face on it.Some Robin or the other.
Lew
October 14th, 2011
4:27 pm
JeffR- Yeah, they were.
ncscoots
October 14th, 2011
4:29 pm
Sure, I remember Ryne Duren. But he would have air-mailed an in-game chicken-eater into a shower stall, rather than be one.
Murph
October 14th, 2011
4:29 pm
Robin Meade? I used to take the early-morning baby wake up calls just so I could watch her… hubba hubba.
Lew
October 14th, 2011
4:29 pm
keylargo – Duren pitched for the Phillies when I was a kid. There was a story about how he took advantage of that poor vision and would throw a couple pitches high off the screen during warmups at around 100 MPH. Scared the hell out of everyone.
ncscoots
October 14th, 2011
4:29 pm
Lynne Russell, SB. Just came to me.
Bat Masterson
October 14th, 2011
4:31 pm
Lew_
I’ll read the book(s) first, then the movie, what the hell, right.
Alafair, huh. I’ll check her out.
Efrim
October 14th, 2011
4:33 pm
Is their pitching good enough, you think? Can those young guys get good enough soon enough to make that work?
I think offensively they’re good enough – Stubbs, Heisey, Bruce, Votto, Phillips, Rolen, Janish/Cozart, Mesoraco/Hanigan.
But you’re right, the pitching isn’t good enough right now – Cueto, Arroyo, Bailey, Leake, Wood, Chapman, Volquez. If they decide to keep Votto, I think you have to trade Alonso for pitching. Makes too much sense. Maybe adding Aroldis to the rotation will help. They need someone else to pair with Cueto.
ccrider
October 14th, 2011
4:34 pm
Bat Masterson: Don’t diss Footloose, my daughter is in the movie
MFin04
October 14th, 2011
4:34 pm
“Bethancourt is 8-for-16 w/ a double and 4 RBIs. Terdoslavich, as noted earlier, is 9-for-17 with three doubles, a triple and four RBIs.”
Do we have the OPS+ or WAR numbers on these guys? RBIs don’t really matter that much….
Bat Masterson
October 14th, 2011
4:36 pm
ccrider _
Okay, man. congrats
Murph
October 14th, 2011
4:36 pm
Would they get enough return for Alonso? He doesn’t seem like he’d be enough after a quick glance at his stats…
ncscoots
October 14th, 2011
4:39 pm
Maybe adding Aroldis to the rotation will help. They need someone else to pair with Cueto.
They need a veteran beast, I think. Somebody who can really carry his water, to give the youngsters a vision of what it takes to be an elite pitcher. Lots of talented arms on that staff, but they’re a little short on the “pitching” part.
ccrider
October 14th, 2011
4:39 pm
Bat Masterson, It actually has gotten really good reviews. I thought the same thing when my daughter informed me ,”Another Footloose Movie” ! But, apparently it is more of a drama, than a dance movie.
Efrim
October 14th, 2011
4:40 pm
Would they get enough return for Alonso? He doesn’t seem like he’d be enough after a quick glance at his stats…
I think he can be the centerpiece of a deal for pitching. They have an interesting situation in the rotation: Cueto, Leake and Arroyo(because of his salary) are locks. They could move Chapman to the rotation and then use Bailey, Wood or Volquez with Alonso to go get an arm.
Murph
October 14th, 2011
4:46 pm
Lowe and Diaz plus $10mil for Alonso….
Bat Masterson
October 14th, 2011
4:47 pm
ccrider _
So you have not seen it yet?
DAP
October 14th, 2011
4:49 pm
scoots Read the original, if you have a choice. Leaner, less polished, (dare I say it?), grittier.
foreward by david eckstein.
Efrim
October 14th, 2011
4:50 pm
Lowe and Diaz plus $10mil for Alonso….
I think they are thinking along the lines of James Shields, Matt Garza, John Danks…..
ncscoots
October 14th, 2011
4:51 pm
DAP…
ncscoots
October 14th, 2011
4:52 pm
I think they are thinking along the lines of James Shields, Matt Garza, John Danks…..
I wouldn’t mind having Big Game, my own self.
Murph
October 14th, 2011
4:53 pm
I think they are thinking along the lines of James Shields, Matt Garza, John Danks…..
Lowe, Diaz, a case of Schlitz, a bucket o’ chicken, a new copy of Madden ‘12, and $10mil
Efrim
October 14th, 2011
4:55 pm
I wouldn’t mind having Big Game, my own self.
If Wren wants to get creative and shock the world, he could do it. Freidman is always down to beef that system up.
Efrim
October 14th, 2011
4:56 pm
Lowe, Diaz, a case of Schlitz, a bucket o’ chicken, a new copy of Madden ‘12, and $10mil
Throw in Biff and that’s a steal for Cincy.
Murph
October 14th, 2011
4:58 pm
A bucket o’ chicken should be the cornerstone of all MLB deals going forward.
Sure, I like the rookie and all… but this isn’t extra crispy. Get out.
MFin04
October 14th, 2011
5:06 pm
“A new copy of Madden ‘12″
I’m thinking a used copy from Game Stop…
Efrim
October 14th, 2011
5:06 pm
Thing is, we have pitching and so do the Rays. They need position players, as do we.
CF Jennings, LF Joyce, RF Zobrist, 3B Longoria, SS Brignac, 2B Rodriguez, 1B ???, C Jaso/Shoppach, DH ???. If they keep B.J., it allows them to move Zobrist to 2nd, but they still need a first baseman and a DH.
Murph
October 14th, 2011
5:09 pm
Don’t be cheap MFin… we’re talking about a pretty good young LF prospect in Alonso. I’m pretty sure if that copy of Madden isn’t in the shrink-wrap you can forget about any deal getting done.
Murph
October 14th, 2011
5:10 pm
but they still need a first baseman and a DH
The Braves have a ton of those in the minors… literally, a ton of them.
Maybe a deal with the Rays?
TennesseePaul
October 14th, 2011
5:12 pm
They need a veteran beast, I think. Somebody who can really carry his water, to give the youngsters a vision of what it takes to be an elite pitcher. Lots of talented arms on that staff, but they’re a little short on the “pitching” part.
Isn’t that the battle cry for acquiring Derek Lowe?
Murph
October 14th, 2011
5:28 pm
Does everyone leave work at 5pm on Fridays or something? Where’d everybody go?
Lew
October 14th, 2011
5:31 pm
Yen Paul – NO, the reason for signing Lowe was to have a pitcher who pitched lots of innings and didn’t get injured. Which he did in varying degrees of decency.
CB
October 14th, 2011
5:33 pm
Paul is Japanese?
Lew
October 14th, 2011
5:34 pm
CB – Not that I’m aware of – I just can’t type worth a damn and was doing it with no lights on. Never thought of him as vaguely Confuscion.
CB
October 14th, 2011
5:37 pm
Lew, I just started thinking of TP sitting on the floor eating rice and sushi.
Lew
October 14th, 2011
5:42 pm
With his Wurlitzer hanging on the wall behind him.
nolie
October 14th, 2011
5:48 pm
hanks George, but I’m pretty sure I knocked a few IQ points right out of my head this morning, so I wouldn’t count on too many intelligent posts from me in the future….Murpg
“ahem:”
Murph
October 14th, 2011
5:48 pm
TP, are you into anime and boy bands?
Murph
October 14th, 2011
5:49 pm
nolie fail
ccrider
October 14th, 2011
5:52 pm
Bat Masterson: No, I haven’t seen it, just came out today. The wife had to work and would have thrown a fit , if I went without her. I daughter has seen it, they had a premiere of it in Atlanta and Atlantic Station. She liked it: it was directed by Craig Brewer would did Hustle & Flow.
CB
October 14th, 2011
5:55 pm
ccrider,what did your daughter do in the movie?
nolie
October 14th, 2011
5:59 pm
The even made a Tommy Lee Jones version of In The Electric Mist with Confederate Dead – …Lew
they also made one years ago with Alec Baldwin based on the first two booh\ks called Heaven’s Prisoners
Trey
October 14th, 2011
6:04 pm
Harry Kalas, it’s not too late to become a Braves fan. Jump off that Phillies bandwagon.
shelbydawkins
October 14th, 2011
6:08 pm
This isn’t just this year… didn’t we lose like 6 in a row very late in the season last year too?
ccrider
October 14th, 2011
6:14 pm
CB, She plays a friend of Dennis Quaid’s Son who is killed in a car accident along with others including my daughter. Not a big role, but she also had a small role in Robert Redford’s Conspirator. She is just getting started, graduating from college this year!
Murph
October 14th, 2011
6:19 pm
cc, that’s awesome!
ccrider
October 14th, 2011
6:44 pm
Murph; Thanks, it is kinda cool to see her getting noticed. She has worked her butt off through High School and College and is WAYYY more dedicated and ambitious than anyone else in our family!
CB
October 14th, 2011
7:04 pm
ccrider,congrats. I am sure you are very proud.
Bat Masterson
October 14th, 2011
7:14 pm
ccrider _
That’s pretty cool, best of luck to your daughter.
ccrider
October 14th, 2011
7:14 pm
CB, Words can’t say how much :>)
ccrider
October 14th, 2011
7:18 pm
Bat Masterson: Thanks, It’s a tough business, but she is a tough little lady! If, Lady Luck doesn’t come her way, she would probably find her and shake some luck out of her!! : )
Bat Masterson
October 14th, 2011
7:32 pm
ccrider __
ccrider
October 14th, 2011
7:42 pm
Bat Masterson: Speaking about baseball, what do you think the Braves moves will be this off season?
I think Frank Wren will trade JJ to the Red Sox for Jed Lowrie and Josh Reddick. They are not essential pieces for the Red Sox, but I think Lowrie(Despite his injuries) has shown an slightly above avg, glove and a chance at being a switch hitting SS with a .280 avg. .330-340 OBA with a .700 OPs.
Reddick hits righthanders well, can play LF or RF and could be a good platoon OFer in LF even if he has trouble with tough LHers. Both, are still cheap at near 500K.
Many on the blog, don’t think that JJ will bring much, but I think they would take a flyer on JJ even with his injury history. Boston Needs Starting Pitching Depth BAD!
The trade would answer the Braves SS need and help in LF, but most of all free up enough money to possilby sign Cuddyer. If, that doesn’t workout, Reddick could platoon with Prado(against LHers) and Prado would still have the value of resting Chipper, Freeman and Uggla. The bench could be made better with quality depth if Cuddyer falls through
jed
October 14th, 2011
7:52 pm
hey nolie–just saw yr post from last night. yes, i know greinke has an anxiety disorder, but there seems to be something more behind that. he has what they call “flat effect,” which can be a symptom of aspergers. it’s that flat effect i’m talking about. not to play armchair shrink, but it’s interesting and would certainly make the label of “head case” a sad unfair thing. i do know a few people with aspergers, yes.