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abwright
October 7th, 2011
1:31 pm
Phils fan, October 7th, 2011, 1:27 pm … “…just trying to kill time before the phillies [lose the] game.
Braves Fan
October 7th, 2011
1:33 pm
I hope they lose.
P-Town Brave ©
October 7th, 2011
1:34 pm
I hope they win….
For my sanity…
TnBrian
October 7th, 2011
1:34 pm
How many chances did this team screw up with RISP down the stretch? By my count if they’d just done their jobs at the plate even half those times we might be talking about how we could win tonight against the Brewers.
Excuse me for not having OBP, wORP, SLG etc. written in front of me in my “baseball’s guide for super geeks”. Can’t argue with facts, but I also write what I see or have seen with my own eyes. And DAMNIT- they had chances to score in crucial spots and fu**** up. That is why they are hunting right now and we’re talking about the offseason and next year.
P-Town Brave ©
October 7th, 2011
1:34 pm
They win one more game and they can lose all the rest for all I care, but they need to win tonight
ncscoots
October 7th, 2011
1:35 pm
from the starting 8 for which I hope there are at least 4 new faces
Win 89, replace half the lineup. Got it.
to the bench.Hinske,Conrad,Wilson and every other scrub besides Georgie should be replaced.
Yes, if you going to keep a scrub, Cnstanza would be a good choice. For a scrub, I mean.
There must be something about a new blog that brings this out. Pheromones, maybe.
Phils fan
October 7th, 2011
1:35 pm
..or maybe he has changed. maybe he will be so set on showing philly what they’re missing that what your seeing now will become the new rollins. the second one is the more likely. hate to see rollins go. would defintely miss the little guy.
Shaun
October 7th, 2011
1:36 pm
P-Town, if the price is right, Rollins would be a fine option. But I wouldn’t give him more than $10M over 2 years. I think the years are going to be the bigger problem in Rollins’s demands.
To get more specific, I don’t think his on-base ability is going to generate enough runs relative to his contract demands, mostly because he’s probably going to want at least 4 years.
TN Jeff
October 7th, 2011
1:38 pm
I don’t think my comment will get noticed but I would like to see somebody look into the possibility that McCann is hurting the team with his poor pitch calling (or the pitching coach IF this is being signaled into McCann from the bench).
Think about it. Why were the Young pitchers pulled around the 5th Inning EVERY game (which then overworked the bullpin)? These guys are young and had been pitching late into minor league games. So this wasn’t an endurance issue. The problem is (I think) that the 3rd time through the lineup other teams (not ours – see pathetic offensive stats) make adjustments & so it is VITAL that the pitchers change things up then. Young pitchers are less inclined to shake off called pitches. Therefore, the very young pitchers who with good stuff should go deep into games rarely lasted beyond 6 innings.
Any chance somebody would check into this … pretty please?
Phils fan
October 7th, 2011
1:38 pm
..or course braves fans want to see the phillies lose tonite. it’s cool. so do redsox fans, and yankee fans, and s.f. giants fans, and mets fans and jason werth and brett myers, pat burrell, santa claus. oh, and probably cards fans too. get in line!
P-Town Brave ©
October 7th, 2011
1:39 pm
Shaun-
Would 2 + a 3rd yr option for 29M be too much?
Obviously I think a lot will depend on how the SS market shapes up as to how much he gets and I think right now he’s the best option for those teams that miss on Reyes.
Shaun
October 7th, 2011
1:40 pm
TnBrian, the problem is offense as a whole. Yes, hitting with RISP was a problem. But that’s because the offense as a whole was a problem. Do you think the Braves’ front office can possibly go into the offseason and think, “we are going to go get players who are good with RISP?” No. Because the hitters who are good with RISP over a long haul are also the hitters who are just good hitters. So teams go after good hitters. It’s like Boog Sciambi tweeted a few days ago, ““On intangibles–if u can really see it, tell me who’s clutch, flat, has bad chemistry BEFORE the results and it would be more credible.”
P-Town Brave ©
October 7th, 2011
1:40 pm
Phils fan-
Not I…
I get far much MUCH more crap from Cards fans!
abwright
October 7th, 2011
1:40 pm
If Pastornicky is the future, then Braves would only want a 1 year fill in at SS. Two at the most.
Four years of Rollins or Reyes will have the faithful coughing and spitting in years three and four, due to the declining performance of the over-paid veteran and blocking the young stud.
Lew
October 7th, 2011
1:41 pm
TnJeff- Dude, by the third time through the order, the Braves rarely have the starting pitcher even in the game anymore.
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
1:43 pm
TN Jeff Young pitchers are less inclined to shake off called pitches.
Minor shook BMac off a couple times…then gave up a couple homers…
Phils fan
October 7th, 2011
1:43 pm
how ’bout that ozzie joining our division? should be good times
raleighbravefan
October 7th, 2011
1:44 pm
O-me – Wow, that hurt.I will spend a lot of time worrying about what you think about me.
Are you saying that fans are NOT often ignorant? (I didn’t say stupid…ignorance is a lack of knowledge, not lack of smarts). Have you read this blog on a regular basis? Who are you anyway. I’ve never heard of you.
P-Town Brave ©
October 7th, 2011
1:46 pm
McFann-
Maybe BMac got mad like Costner in Bull Durham and said fine, you wanna shake me off….
Hey hitter….here comes the curve….
Shaun
October 7th, 2011
1:46 pm
P-Town, I don’t think that would be awful, if the Braves could get him for around $9M. I probably would insist on 2 years or no buyout on the 3rd year option. But I think the years are what’s going to make it unwise for most teams to sign Rollins. If I’m a team like the Braves, I wouldn’t want to go beyond 2 years unless there is an option with no buyout beyond two years. But why would Rollins even bother signing a deal like that if he wants more years?
P-Town Brave ©
October 7th, 2011
1:48 pm
Shaun-
Maybe someone gives him 4….no way does he get 5….but I think the more reasonable outcome is 3 or 2+1 for a contending team.
Bat Masterson
October 7th, 2011
1:48 pm
Has onyone thought to escape-goat the caterers. Maybe its time for a change.
Better yet just get rid of them all together, make damn sure the guys are hungry next year
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
1:49 pm
P-Town—
Haha!…
TN Jeff
October 7th, 2011
1:49 pm
I’ll take your word for in McFann as I do not recall. Fredi is too much like Cox in wanting to use the same formula every night as far as the bullpen. We may have had more complete games this year (gonna go check now I think) but I still believe its way too few.
ncscoots
October 7th, 2011
1:50 pm
how ’bout that ozzie joining our division? should be good times
I’m looking forwad to that, also. I imagine guys such as Charlie and Fredo, who have taken some fan heat in the past, will be happy to let Ozzie hog the managerial spotlight.
abwright
October 7th, 2011
1:52 pm
TN Jeff, October 7th, 2011, 1:38 pm … “… McCann is hurting the team with his poor pitch calling …Why were the Young pitchers pulled around the 5th Inning EVERY game …?”
Delgado, Teheran, and Vizcaino were all on a very short leash, since they had not accumulated the extensive innings in prior years. The jump from 2010 to 2011 (had they been allowed to pitch seven innings in all their starts), would have put them at risk of injury. That’s why Vizcaino was moved to the bullpen in the minors before his call-up.
Minor probably could have and should have gone deeper into games. Fredo kept pulling him with low pitch counts. Don’t think you can put that on McCann.
On your argument about adjustments … you should also be aware that the younger pitchers don’t have a full complement of major league ready pitches yet. It’s tough to get outs with a third pitch that’s not yet ready for prime time. How do I know? Because it’s tough to get outs with major league ready stuff.
The fact that the pitching staff had such good ERA for the entire year, with as many different pitchers as were thrown out there, redounds to McCann’s credit.
Phils fan
October 7th, 2011
1:52 pm
..i’m IG-OR-IT! damn proud of it too.
Popeye3311
October 7th, 2011
1:52 pm
I greatly respect Wren’s candor. He was thinking everything that the general public has been thinking all summer. He isn’t going to embarrass Freddi, but I believe he is on a short leash next year.
abwright
October 7th, 2011
1:54 pm
Holy cow! I McFanned that last post.
DAP
October 7th, 2011
1:54 pm
shaun I think it’s way too complicated than just the team felt pressure with RISP and with RISP late in the season.
i think they felt the pressure late in the season in every situation.
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
1:54 pm
Well said, abwright! Thanks you.
Brave New World
October 7th, 2011
1:54 pm
Phils fan, You should be really worried (if you are really a phills fan).., Because this is what going to happen to your team soon..,
Rollins, Polanco, Lidge, Ibanez will be gone next year…, All of a sudden defensively the team will have holes..,
Only plus is Hunter Pence.., I doubt if Worley will have an year like this again.. He will be just ordinary by next year..,
Halladay, Lee, Oswalt will all be 35 years old next year.., that is they will be on their downward trends big time..,
Now for the much scary part.., Nationals, Braves, Marlins are loaded with solid young dynamic team and the AGED phillies lineup and rotation will start struggling..
So use your next few hours to pray that Phillies dont get kicked out of this year’s playoffs as it is probably their last opportunity .., I really feel for Halladay that he deserves a WCS before he retires..
But I have a feeling that carpenter will shutdown the phillies lineup today and Cards will somehow manage to sneak a run off of Halladay via a sac fly or something…
Phils fan
October 7th, 2011
1:54 pm
yeah, can’t wait for ozzie’s first outburst in philly.
ncscoots
October 7th, 2011
1:54 pm
Has onyone thought to escape-goat the caterers. Maybe its time for a change.
Caterers, hell. Escape-goat that darn cow.
Even if the cow is not directly responsible for any misfortune, it certainly can not help the flow of good karma towards Turner Field. Am I right or am I right?
Everybody who uses a parenthetical in their moniker should change it to “Off The Cow!”. I smell “World Series”.
TN Jeff
October 7th, 2011
1:54 pm
3 Complete games this year (2 by JJ & 1 by Huddy)
2 Complete games in 2010 (1 by Huddy & 1 by Hanson)
How does this compare with other teams?
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
1:55 pm
abwright I McFanned that last post.
It’s only appropriate…
2-10 against ranked teams(Bulldogs) worse than collapse of 8 1/2 games??
October 7th, 2011
1:56 pm
Would love to have had Ozzie as Braves coach….now that might shake up some of these “professional Braves” demeanor…..I could see Ozzie shaking up the clubhouse a bit….wouldn’t that be some sh!t…..
….just daydreaming…..2012 will be the same, boring, uninspiring Braves…..wrapped with a brand new bow to try and trick the fans…..frankly, quite depressing
abwright
October 7th, 2011
1:57 pm
McFann O O o, October 7th, 2011, 1:54 pm … “Well said, abwright! Thanks you.”
This was kind of like a DGANG. Got to spell the McFann ever once in a while. The 162-game grind of responding to all the McCann haters with rational logic takes its toll on the starter.
DAP
October 7th, 2011
1:57 pm
TnBrian Can’t argue with facts, but I also write what I see or have seen with my own eyes. And DAMNIT- they had chances to score in crucial spots and fu**** up.
5 blown saves in september didnt help, and had little if anything to do with the offense.
im not arguing with you. youre right. hitting sucked. they didnt get on base, hit for average, or hit for power. but there were other opportunities to put a few games away that were squandered by certain pitchers.
Brave New World
October 7th, 2011
1:57 pm
Charlie Manuel is one of the useless managers in all of baseball this year.., he had nothing to do much.., The phillies rotation is making his job easy.., all he has to do is just sit there and do his old man farting and go home..,
TN Jeff
October 7th, 2011
1:59 pm
Doing my own checking – Phillies as a team had 18 complete games pitched
abwright
October 7th, 2011
2:00 pm
DAP, October 7th, 2011, 1:57 pm … “5 blown saves in september didnt help, and had little if anything to do with the offense.”
Woah, nellie! Most of those blown saves were one-run leads. That absolutely falls onto the offense.
Rilo
October 7th, 2011
2:01 pm
…it’s not just about payroll. Veterans have to lead the way and we have to get people on this team that have a knack for getting on base or driving people in. This is where mgmt comes in. It’s easy to go pick up Uggla in the offseason, it’s another thing to pick up guys like Theriot Berkman and see that they have value on your team. There are a ton of acquisitions that don’t pan out but we have had WAY TOO many players come over to this team and be worse than the teams they played with.
At first glance you may dismiss it but it has really become an epidemic here. Guys that need to go include:
A-Gon
McLouth (already gone)
KK (gone)
D-Lowe
Hinske
Diaz
Conrad
JRW
October 7th, 2011
2:01 pm
The Braves aren’t going to get close to signing Rollins for 2-3 years at less than 10Mil. His agent and him told a Sports Illustrated Reporter that they were looking to get 5 years – $60Mil. I believe San Fran is going to Pony Up for him. If that happens will the Phillies go after Reyes is the next question. They have to sign Hamels to an extension and have two Arb years with Pence, but with Oswalt, Ibanez and Rollins off of the payroll they may be able to do it.
Brave New World
October 7th, 2011
2:01 pm
TN Jeff , You are absolutely right.., Braves pitchers should start learning going deeper .., anything less than 7 innings should be unacceptable.., more than 50innings for Kimbrall, Venters should be unacceptable..,
Shields of rays has 12 Complete Games this year..,
I know Cliff Lee has around 6
Bat Masterson
October 7th, 2011
2:01 pm
That works for me
Escape-goat the cow!!
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
2:01 pm
Rossabwright—Boy, it sure does! Thanks!
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
2:02 pm
TN Jeff Phillies as a team had 18 complete games pitched
Yeah, didn’t Halladay have like, 17 of those…?
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
2:03 pm
most of us want to believe that hitting in the clutch is due to players trying harder in those situations or players having some sort of clutch skill that is separate from overall skill
By stating this you must think that guys only take one approach to the plate with them, one way of thinking about hitting. This is one area of the game that the numbers cannot help you understand. “Clutch” is about the chess side of the game, checker-boy.
TN Jeff
October 7th, 2011
2:03 pm
abwright – Good points.
I’m checking this out. Found out Braves ranked 11th out of 16 teams in the NL in Complete Games pitched. I really think this needs to improve. Obviously with JJ & Hanson going down, that lowers the totals.
TN Jeff
October 7th, 2011
2:04 pm
McFann – he had 8 of them. Amazing, huh?
Phils fan
October 7th, 2011
2:05 pm
my last post vanished. i guess. carp pitched game 2 on 3days rest/last game of season on 4days rest. even with the short outing in game 2, not sure what he has left. that’s the scary part.
-all the cmmts about cholly? nothing we haven’t been saying up here in philly for years. he has gotten better as a manager. but he’s way too loyal for his own good. and stubborn as a bull too.
Random
October 7th, 2011
2:06 pm
Efrim (October 7th, 2011 11:46 am): “The best part of it all is, that if Nova does have TJ. Lew will beat that chest of his and label himself has Nostradamus.”
No,that will be DAP.
(Or me.)
DAP
October 7th, 2011
2:06 pm
abwright Woah, nellie! Most of those blown saves were one-run leads. That absolutely falls onto the offense.
well, maybe. youre saying the O should have given a bigger margin… but point is, 5 games we almost won were lost. 5 huge games, where we scored enough to win, and couldnt hold it in the 8th or 9th.
3 of those blown saves were kimbrel. as bad as the offense had been, had kimbrel been able to get those 3, we win the wild by 3 games. (one of the BS was vs the cards)
phil
October 7th, 2011
2:07 pm
raleighbravefan
October 7th, 2011
12:49 pm
phil – What in the hell is your basis for saying that Heyward is resistant to hard work? Are you present in the training room? The clubhouse? Do you know him, or teammates, or friends of his, or anyone else relevent to the topic, personally? Do you have “insider info”?Now THAT’S irrational.
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You seem to have a thing for always wanting to jump my case if I say something that offends your delicate sensibilities….I do have a basis for my CONJECTURE….it’s the pathetic results on the field.
I hope that clears it up for you.
abwright
October 7th, 2011
2:08 pm
TN Jeff … I don’t disagree about complete games. However, Braves have not been very good at this for a long time. If you go all the way back to the glory days of the big three, you won’t find a philosophy of guys completing games.
Still, 2-3 per year for a veteran who’s mowing them down ought to be expected.
I’m glad that Fredi didn’t let Lowe complete any games this year, though.
Snotboogie
October 7th, 2011
2:08 pm
Shields of rays has 12 Complete Games this year.
Wow. That goes a long way to making Peralta and Farnsworth look good.
TN Jeff
October 7th, 2011
2:09 pm
abwright – I’m NOT a McCann hater. He can’t throw anybody out at 2nd but he is generally the most consistent hitter on the team. Obviously, the injury this year affected him. (Now tell me how the stats disagree with my assessment that he can’t throw anybody out at 2nd … well, obviously he throws some folks out). Oh, I am confident that he has more stolen bases than Bruce Benedict too.
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
2:09 pm
TN Jeff—
Yes, it is.
ncscoots
October 7th, 2011
2:09 pm
By stating this you must think that guys only take one approach to the plate with them, one way of thinking about hitting. This is one area of the game that the numbers cannot help you understand
Exactly correct. There are at least four different approaches to an AB: game situation, inning, pitcher, count. Not only is there not just one way of hitting, there’s not just one way of hitting in the same PA.
(Though I probably would hold my tongue if someone opined that the Braves last year spent most PAs about three approaches short, LOL)
abwright
October 7th, 2011
2:10 pm
DAP … Kimbrel had precious few games all year where he had more than one run to work with. I think he only allowed two runs in one game. I agree that those five games spiked the Braves. But, the bullpen and the closer weren’t the problem.
Phils fan
October 7th, 2011
2:10 pm
if the braves got starters that could go 7inns they might win 120 games
rammerjammer
October 7th, 2011
2:11 pm
Lowe for Chone Figgins could be a sensible bad contract exchange.
Braves owe Lowe 15M, Mariners owe Figgins (through 2013) 17M. Neither figures in his team’s plans for next season and both fill a need (Seattle: Rotation veteran; Atlanta: utility guy). Figgins might also provide OF insurance if Bourn walks after next season.
Phils fan
October 7th, 2011
2:11 pm
i meant 90 games. what??
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
2:14 pm
I probably would hold my tongue if someone opined that the Braves last year spent most PAs about three approaches short, LOL)
Ain’t that the truth. Nothing like seeing everyone go up in every situation as if there were two outs and the bases empty.I have a feeling that this is where Parrish lost his job in that last meeting, saying something like, “I feel the guys approach at the plate was fine, when their numbers get back to normal you will see more balls leave the yard or bang off the wall, and more runs will be scored.”
phil
October 7th, 2011
2:14 pm
raleighbravefan
October 7th, 2011
12:56 pm
Folks at UNC hung Dean Smith in effigy during his early years. There was a great demand by fans to fire coach K at Duke until he started beating UNC. Fans are impatient, and often ignorant.
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Only raleighbravefan has all the answers….all other fans are ignorant bozos…
This, now, coming from someone in RALEIGH, NC…..
DAP
October 7th, 2011
2:16 pm
abwirght, the offense was certinly a bigger problem, but 3 blown saves down the stretch and 8 over all says that kimbrel shares the blame. not expecting him to be perfect. im not saying that. just saying its not as if he WAS perfect and the O just didnt score enough.
abwright
October 7th, 2011
2:17 pm
TN Jeff, October 7th, 2011, 2:09 pm … “I’m NOT a McCann hater.”
Maybe not, but you are on the watch list.
TN Jeff, October 7th, 2011, 2:09 pm … “[McCann] can’t throw anybody out at 2nd … Obviously, the injury this year affected him.
I’m not going to look it up. But, once in a while this is publicized, so memory is good enough for me. McCann’s caught stealing percentage is slightly below league average, which is somewhere around 25-30%.
If you look at McCann/Ross CS% when catching Hanson, you’ll see abysmal numbers for both (like 10-15%). That’s on Hanson, who is one of the worst in the league at holding runners on and has a slow delivery to the plate.
After the oblique injury, McCann’s CS% appeared to go down, and his accuracy to 2nd got pretty bad on some throws. Most of Braves fandom gives McCann a free pass on this.
raleighbravefan
October 7th, 2011
2:18 pm
phil – Just saying that results very well not reflect effort. To assume so without personal knowledge is…let’s just say shortsighted.
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
2:18 pm
there’s not just one way of hitting in the same PA.
I have taught, or tried to teach, a few novices about watching/enjoying baseball. Lesson number one is always understanding the pitch count, and how that changes the dynamic of the AB between what the hitter is trying to accomplish vs what the pitcher is trying to accomplish.
Random
October 7th, 2011
2:19 pm
TnBrian (October 7th, 2011 1:34 pm): “Excuse me for not having OBP, wORP, SLG etc. written in front of me in my ‘baseball’s guide for super geeks’.”
You’re already on the damn computer — just what IS your excuse?
Never heard of “tabs”? Never heard of “windows”?
Phils fan
October 7th, 2011
2:20 pm
the blown saves came as a direct result of over use caused by use gonzo and rotation issues.
phil
October 7th, 2011
2:20 pm
Lobosolo
October 7th, 2011
1:17 pm
Great post, DOB…. phil, how in the world do you know just how hard someone outside of your little feifdom works? You some kinda wizard or somethin? Nah, just another of the ignorant crackuhs that spew their self-appointed omnipotence on here all of the time… I must say I’m gonna miss all of the stupid comments I’ve read from the armchair crybaby Illuminati that camps out on here… You guys are without a doubt the most baseball-ignorant, mean-spirited, childish, boorish, CRYINGEST bunch of blubberers in the major leagues… Bad enough to have to do without baseball until Spring, but I won’t miss the bewilderment I faced every morning that grown men could be this stupid and so WHINEY… what will you armchairs do now? Best head to football, I reckon – a game much better suited to your sub-average intelligence levels… ask the wifey for a “Baseball for Dumb Crybaby Idiots” for Christmas this year, if you whimperers can even read…
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Well, manure for brains, I don’t know.
It was called a guess, and it’s fairly clear that neither you nor raleighbravefan understand what the word “apparently” means. You 2 need to set up some appointments with licensed mental health professionals in your hometowns, assuming your hometowns have such services.
And you, Lobo, are in desperate need of some new lines. Something original other than calling people crybabies or armchairs every single day. Your endless cries for help here can’t result in any.
raleighbravefan
October 7th, 2011
2:21 pm
phil – Not that I care what you think…you continue to exhibit your lack of knowledge…but check around…You will find that Raleigh has one of the highest average levels of education per capita (that means per person, by the way), of anywhere in the country. BTW, where are you from?
TN Jeff
October 7th, 2011
2:22 pm
abwright – I worship McCann now. Can I come off the list? Big Brother scares me
phil
October 7th, 2011
2:22 pm
Phils fan
October 7th, 2011
1:24 pm
mcfann, i’m assuming that uh.. crazy sonic-jackal like thing is jason heyward?? careful how you answer that. you don’t want to be called a racist.
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What are you talking about? That’s not something she would say, you doof.
ncscoots
October 7th, 2011
2:22 pm
T, I hadn’t thought about it, but maybe you’re right re the Parrish meeting. Death knell, from a single phrase.
Some of that stuff is self-fulfilling. You get into a slump, you want to bang your way out of it. You start thinking less, and swinging more, when you should be doing just the opposite. Next thing you know, they’re throwing up one of those “.219″s on the Jumbotron, and your head can really go south.
I say this a lot, because it cannot be overstated: hitting is hard.
TN Jeff
October 7th, 2011
2:23 pm
raleighbravefan – what does BTW mean? (I live in East TN)
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
2:23 pm
Tn Jeff Big Brother scares me
I don’t think he’s the one you should be worried about……
Snotboogie
October 7th, 2011
2:23 pm
Lesson number one is always understanding the pitch count, and how that changes the dynamic of the AB between what the hitter is trying to accomplish vs what the pitcher is trying to accomplish.
This is a very interesting topic that I’d like to hear more about. Joe Poz wrote a lengthy piece about this a while back but I dont quite think I caught everything he said – got saturated after a while. I try to really pay attention when Chipper or Glavine talk about his hitter-pitcher duels because they really bring out how the thinking changes based on the situation and who has the upper hand etc. Would be awesome if Maddux relayed some of his stories too.
raleighbravefan
October 7th, 2011
2:24 pm
“apparently” does not = “a guess”. It = “obviously”, which your statements don’t support.
McFann O O o
October 7th, 2011
2:24 pm
Thanks, phil…Yeah, I have no clue at all what he was talking about…
TN Jeff
October 7th, 2011
2:25 pm
McFann – you’ve been on here forever. Everybody knows you’re a pushover
cricket
October 7th, 2011
2:25 pm
braves should have gotten hunter pence.
according to my friends from Houston and many others, braves would’ve gotten pence if not for Ed “The Phanatic” Wade.
Brave New World
October 7th, 2011
2:26 pm
rammerjammer , No team wants a starter who lost 17games on a team that won 89 games during the season.., So Lowe is not going to Seattle , even if we get nothing in return and we pay all of his salary
DAP
October 7th, 2011
2:26 pm
phils fan the blown saves came as a direct result of over use caused by use gonzo and rotation issues.
alot of folks are saying that, but im not convinced thats absolutely true. just because a pitcher has the most innings/appearances in the league, or is in the top 5, doesnt mean automatically that he is overused.
abwright
October 7th, 2011
2:27 pm
DAP, October 7th, 2011, 2:16 pm … “… 3 blown saves down the stretch and 8 over all says that kimbrel shares the blame. not expecting him to be perfect. im not saying that. just saying its not as if he WAS perfect and the O just didnt score enough.”
The thing is, Kimbrel was given the ball about 50 times to protect a 1-run lead. He did so most of the time.
In order for Kimbrel to not have gotten the blown saves down the stretch, he HAD to be perfect.
He certainly shares the blame for those losses. Along with every player who did not get a sac fly or RBI ground out with a runner at third and less than two outs.
I’m just saying, if anyone deserves some slack in “the collapse,” it’s Venters and Kimbrel.
Phils fan
October 7th, 2011
2:29 pm
in the beginning of the season, a few were due to growing paines. but the manager over used venters and kimbrel. now the last game of the season? kimbrel was throwing hard, but both venters and kimbrel minds were mush. no grip for breaking pitches.
Brave New World
October 7th, 2011
2:29 pm
Braves would have gotten Pence if they included atleast one of the 4 untouchables on Braves org..,
But i am glad we didn’t go for Pence…. I hate watching him swing.., He looks like a Bow and will break into a two pieces someday soon….
DAP
October 7th, 2011
2:29 pm
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DAP
October 7th, 2011
2:30 pm
whoops. just trying to get on the posting leader board.
ncscoots
October 7th, 2011
2:30 pm
try to really pay attention when Chipper or Glavine talk about his hitter-pitcher duels
The thing I love about Chipper is his almost-total recall of thousands of PAs: “First time I faced him, first time up, he got me with a changeup. Second time through, he threw me one I spit at, got a fastball next pitch, and buried it.” (And when was that, Chipper?) “Eight years ago, second game of the season.”
Just like a photo album he can flip through, to whatever page he desires.
T for Texas
October 7th, 2011
2:30 pm
I try to really pay attention when Chipper or Glavine talk about his hitter-pitcher duels because they really bring out how the thinking changes based on the situation
This is one of the reasons I enjoy Mets broadcasts so much, enough to trump my hatred of the Mets. All game long Ron Darling and Keith Hernandez speak of the ebb and flow of the PA, and pitch to pitch how the sitaution evolves for both hitter and pitcher. That is the essence of the game in my mind.
phil
October 7th, 2011
2:31 pm
raleighbravefan
October 7th, 2011
2:21 pm
phil – Not that I care what you think…you continue to exhibit your lack of knowledge…but check around…You will find that Raleigh has one of the highest average levels of education per capita (that means per person, by the way), of anywhere in the country. BTW, where are you from?
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Actually, I just don’t know why you like to jump my case for speaking my mind. You seem to have plenty of sense and to be an intelligent person, but why the need to harangue me because I don’t think Wayward is actually any good? I will always fire back when fired upon if I see it.
Thanks for the definition of per capita. And of course you’re right about Raleigh. Where I’m from is irrelevant, but it’s not that far from you.
MJT
October 7th, 2011
2:32 pm
I still don’t understand why Lowe got the start at the end of the season. I dont think the team felt they had a chance with him in the game. I don’t get thinking a rookie couldn’t do better, it seems that other playoff teams will start a rookie in a pressure situation. Whover , and I do hope it was Gonzalez, he is the manager, made that decision needs to own it. I have been a Braves guy since 66, and I will always be, but that decision (starting Lowe) , just baffles me
Phils fan
October 7th, 2011
2:32 pm
maybe cricket. that’s a good point. but why wait til last yr star break? saw how the brewers got k-rod? pense and born could have been stolen in 2009 or 2010. once the phillies were in need it was all over.
abwright
October 7th, 2011
2:34 pm
I really enjoyed Glavine’s game calling after he got some games under his belt. Especially when he would call an entire sequence of pitches before they were made.
“He’s got the guy set up now. Just throw a change up inside and he’ll get the out.”
“Crack. Home run.”
“Well, he threw the change up inside. Look at his location. He missed badly and that’s the reason why folks don’t like to throw the change up inside.”
It makes you wonder why Don Sutton doesn’t give more insight into what’s going on in the AB.
Phils fan
October 7th, 2011
2:34 pm
brves world.ou hate a .300 hitter with a cannon arm and power? did you pull the trigger on the jeff fran. trade?
Snotboogie
October 7th, 2011
2:34 pm
The thing I love about Chipper is his almost-total recall of thousands of PAs
You hear about all that and one can almost start believing that he is an automaton with no emotions/pressure…
Naaah.
cricket
October 7th, 2011
2:34 pm
I imagine guys such as Charlie and Fredo, who have taken some fan heat in the past, will be happy to let Ozzie hog the managerial spotlight.
does the heat from all 13 of their fans is still called ‘heat’?