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BraveFaninBC
October 8th, 2011
8:10 pm
Finally worked. Good article. Thank you.
Bat Masterson
October 8th, 2011
8:11 pm
Key_
Nice find, I get a kick out of those old commercials
Efrim
October 8th, 2011
8:11 pm
I’m not sure why….it’s working for me.
BraveFaninBC
October 8th, 2011
8:12 pm
I liked the “less filling” vs “tastes great” ads too
BraveFaninBC
October 8th, 2011
8:14 pm
I don’t know what the problem was. I had to click on it 4 times but it finally worked.
jeffrey d
October 8th, 2011
8:20 pm
Those “un-manly” commercials are really stupid. If I drank that beer I wouild quit on general priciple
Now I’m not a Miller Lite drinker, but I like those commercials.
keylargo
October 8th, 2011
8:20 pm
Bat
Here’s another Miller Lite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tYL2Btxmjg&NR=1
Efrim
October 8th, 2011
8:23 pm
T, he is a free agent after 2012. As is Victorino…
The Phillies have 78 million invested in Utley, Howard, Halladay and Lee in 2012. In 2013, it’s 82 million. They have 112 million committed to guaranteed contracts, and adding Pence, Hamels, Francisco, Orr, Valdez for arbitration. If the Phils keep a 165 million dollar payroll, they could probably have something like 10-15 million to work with. Rollins and Madsen? That may push them past 165 million.
T for Texas
October 8th, 2011
8:28 pm
Thanks, Efrim. Awesome article too.
Efrim
October 8th, 2011
8:29 pm
I’m telling you, with the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies having a lack of payroll flexibility, guys like Fielder and Reyes could end up with mid market teams.
Efrim
October 8th, 2011
8:32 pm
Thanks, T. A necessary article for a team with so many changes heading into 2012. Still going to be really, really good though.
Bat Masterson
October 8th, 2011
8:33 pm
Key_
Trick shot pool. Made me think of minnesota fats, fast eddie felson
Coach (2011 Fredi G. FAILED)
October 8th, 2011
8:34 pm
No Yankees, no Red Sox, no Dodgers, no Angels and certainly no Phillies left in the playoff hunt for glory…………………..
Gotta love this game when the big tv markets get stomped
nolie
October 8th, 2011
8:35 pm
The Miz!!. I’ve played against him several times in tourneys. So far he has always won the set. Just lucky
.
Pretty funny guy when he feels like it.
jeffrey d
October 8th, 2011
8:35 pm
Funny how sometimes timing can determine your salary more than your ability. Like Derek Lowe and AJ Burnett….no way they’re worth $15 million.
Bat Masterson
October 8th, 2011
8:35 pm
Maybe I’m just bored with the whole:
Men are dumb
Men arer helpless
Men are babies thing
T for Texas
October 8th, 2011
8:36 pm
Kinda like the pressure a crackhead feels to be higher than high all the time, that all-star at every position mentality of the Yanks, Sox, and Phillies is tough to maintain. And like a crackhead, when those teams age it is ugly.
jeffrey d
October 8th, 2011
8:39 pm
So you must drink Dos Equis, Bat…they’ve got the most interesting man in the world working for them.
Efrim
October 8th, 2011
8:41 pm
Joe Capozzi of The Palm Beach Post thinks the Marlins may kick the tires on Joey Votto.
Oh, that’d be wonderful……
Just my guess on the two I mentioned above:
Fielder possibilities: Dodgers, Nationals, Blue Jays, Marlins, Brewers, Orioles.
Reyes possibilities: Mets, Giants, Nationals.
Bat Masterson
October 8th, 2011
8:50 pm
Don’t care what kind of beer or no beer at all.
Just stop crying, stop squealing.
IVAN ...
October 8th, 2011
8:59 pm
@ BSinBC…..
“you are and idiot” —-”changes names”……. ????????………
Ok , I changed your name.
Anything else?……. asshat.
Efrim
October 8th, 2011
9:05 pm
I think C.J. Wilson should punch his ticket for the Bronx too. Sabathia, Wilson, Nova, Burnett, Hughes/Banuelos/Betances.
T for Texas
October 8th, 2011
9:08 pm
Sabathia, Wilson, Nova…
Haven’t you heard? Nova may be dead from forearm tightness before next season.
Efrim
October 8th, 2011
9:15 pm
Haven’t you heard? Nova may be dead from forearm tightness before next season.
Ah, yes. That was a fun conversation. Can’t believe it was flexor tendon(not Tommy John) instead of Ulnar Collateral Ligament(Tommy John). Would of never known until the MRI results were released.
keylargo
October 8th, 2011
9:17 pm
Bat – I seem to remember Jackie Gleason playing Fast Eddie in a movie. Gleason could shoot a mean game of pool without any props.
Bat Masterson
October 8th, 2011
9:18 pm
At least he had his moment in the sun
Efrim
October 8th, 2011
9:20 pm
Although in the defense of those who were discussing that with me, Joba Chamberlain was diagnosed with a flexor tendon injury before undergoing Tommy John surgery….
keylargo
October 8th, 2011
9:21 pm
I’m telling you, with the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies having a lack of payroll flexibility, guys like Fielder and Reyes could end up with mid market teams.
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that Boras turned down an offer from the Brewers that was worth more than $100 million for five years …
Thems some stroooong mid market teams out there.
Bat Masterson
October 8th, 2011
9:24 pm
Key_
Paul newman was fast eddie. Gleason was fats. Willie moconi helped newman in the role
Efrim
October 8th, 2011
9:28 pm
Thems some stroooong mid market teams out there.
Nats, Marlins. I guess the Dodgers aren’t really considered mid-market, but they sure have been acting like it.
keylargo
October 8th, 2011
9:30 pm
Bat – I’ve seen two Newman movies for the first time lately. Hombre, which was really good and reminded me what a villain Richard Boone could be. Then I saw HUD which I didn’t particularly like but had some really good acting in it. I just didn’t like negativity of the entire movie.
Efrim
October 8th, 2011
9:30 pm
Ryan Howard has indeed been diagnosed with a ruptured Achilles tendon and will undergo offseason surgery.
http://twitter.com/#!/DKnobler/status/122838487270563840
Cole Hamels needs minor offseason surgery to remove “loose bodies” from his throwing elbow.
http://twitter.com/#!/DKnobler/status/122838736236064769
Yikes, Phillies. Howard could miss the entire first half of 2012.
T for Texas
October 8th, 2011
9:31 pm
And, joking aside, forearm tightness has been major symptom of many pre-TJ surgery. Medlen, Hampton, Huddy…
Bat Masterson
October 8th, 2011
9:38 pm
Key_
I always liked newman as an actor. Need to refresh my memory on hud.
Efrim
October 8th, 2011
9:41 pm
And, joking aside, forearm tightness has been major symptom of many pre-TJ surgery.
Of course, but assuming it means surgery is a definite is wrong and a leap before an MRI is conducted and the results are released.
SoWeGa Fanatic
October 8th, 2011
9:44 pm
Scariest thought of the Halloween season – DLowe has a lights out spring and is in the Brave 2012 rotation.
Efrim
October 8th, 2011
9:47 pm
Ryan Howard since the start of the 2008 season: .265/.349/.529, 129 OPS+ in 2,667 plate appearances. Before that, he had hit .291/.397/.610, 151 OPS+ in 1,742 plate appearances from ages 24-27.
T for Texas
October 8th, 2011
9:48 pm
Geeebus, SoWeGa. We were trying to have a pleasant conversation here.
keylargo
October 8th, 2011
9:49 pm
Bat – Hud was set in late 50’s Texas. Hud (Newman) lived on a ranch with his father, nephew and a housekeeper/cook (Patricia Neal). Hud killed his brother while driving drunk and his father never really forgave him.
The cattle got hoof & mouth disease and had to be destroyed, Newman while drunk tries to rape the housekeeper, etc. etc. Just a bunch of bleak lives and unhappy people.
Bravo Nam
October 8th, 2011
9:51 pm
DOB
Just wanted to thank you for another fantastic year reporting on the blog. I really felt for you at the end of the season when you were in the hornet’s nest and whichever way you turned were copping grief… whether that be from bloggers criticising you for not asking the “hard questions” and having a go at players and management TO your attempts to ask the hard questions of the Bravos and management and dealing with their anger, disbelief and at times defensiveness. I admire how you held it together and didn’t tell everyone to f%$! off… thanks for your dedication and commitment.
Will you still be reporting on the Braves and running the blog next year?
Bat Masterson
October 8th, 2011
9:51 pm
Oh there are the old dawgs, personal foul, late hit out of bounds
Idiot
Bat Masterson
October 8th, 2011
10:02 pm
Key_
Okay, I remeber, bleak is right
Jackie gleason could play some pool too. I read a little something about frank sanatra setting gleason up to get hustled by mosconi. Before gleason knew who he was
nolie
October 8th, 2011
10:07 pm
That would have to have been a joke. Mosconi was an extremely nice, pretty straight-laced guy
jfp
October 8th, 2011
10:08 pm
Efrim, do you think the Rays will try and get Pujols or Fielder? They certainly freed up enough payroll to get in the bidding.
nolie
October 8th, 2011
10:10 pm
I see Ivan the Infant was back today. Needs to get back on his meds.
Bat Masterson
October 8th, 2011
10:12 pm
Nolie__
Yeah, I guess that was what it was meant as. A joke on gleason. I don’t remember the details.
So you knew willie monconi, that’s pretty cool. I remember watching him play.
Felix
October 8th, 2011
10:14 pm
This offseason Braves management has some serious proving to do. If they don’t shake up this team, and add some serious offense, then I won’t be a buyer and will expect to see more of the same results next year. It may be worse as I believe the Nats and Marlins will be better.
Couch Tater
October 8th, 2011
10:18 pm
Kenshin – Finally found your request…
Dick Dale – “Banzai Washout”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElvEEPXUrRY&feature=related
keylargo
October 8th, 2011
10:18 pm
Nolie – where the pool talk came from was from the old Miller Lite commercials. Steve Mizarak(sp) did one back in the 70’s that there is a link for about 50 or 100 post ago.
David O'Brien
October 8th, 2011
10:21 pm
Check out transcript of Greinke interview today. Dude says some unusual things….
http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=74985
nolie
October 8th, 2011
10:21 pm
I met him several times back in college . He was a friend of Sam Spino the old guy who owned the pool hall where I worked and played. Sam was an old numbers guys and pool hustler who knew them all back in the day. and many still traveling would stop by and try to get some games against the good college kids who were way better than me at the time.
Mosconi actually came a different years to put on exhibitions at the college and stopped by Sam’s to warm up and shoot the breeze.
We had the girls NCAA pool champ several times by two different girls so there was always a lot of interest. They brought in Wimpy Lassiter and Irving.Crane too
that was in the days when straight pool was still pretty much king and Crane and Mosconi were the greatest. Wimpy was a great straight guy too but was better know as a 9-ball player.
No matter where I have lived I have always had a pool room owner as a great friend
Efrim
October 8th, 2011
10:23 pm
Efrim, do you think the Rays will try and get Pujols or Fielder? They certainly freed up enough payroll to get in the bidding.
Nope. Think they have a certain way of doing things and spending big in free agency for long term deals ain’t it. I do think the Marlins or Nationals could consider it. Possibly the Orioles. For Fielder that is…Albert is going back the Cards just like C.C. is going back to the Yanks.
SoWeGa Fanatic
October 8th, 2011
10:23 pm
Phils will be interesting next year. Probably won’t have Oswalt, Ibanez, and Palanco. Howard out half the year. Can Worley keep it up? Will age catch up to Lee and Halliday?
jfp
October 8th, 2011
10:28 pm
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Pujols back with the cards, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Fielder there either (in place of).
Efrim
October 8th, 2011
10:40 pm
I forgot to mention the Cubs as a Fielder option. Tough to blow it up in a major market like Chicago, but they should do that. Castro, Soto, Soriano, Byrd are the only options to stay in the field. Garza, Dempster in the rotation. Good bullpen.
nolie
October 8th, 2011
10:44 pm
some Cubbie fans friends have mentioned too Efrim. Talk is that they expect some money to be spent on a big name or two. including Pooholes or Fielder. Already talking about getting Theo and Francona among others
jfp
October 8th, 2011
10:44 pm
The Cubs would be a good fit for Pujols also.
Bat Masterson
October 8th, 2011
10:45 pm
Nolie__
Man, that’s all right. I would have loved to see those guys play in person.
nolie
October 8th, 2011
10:45 pm
could terd end up as a poo hole?
T for Texas
October 8th, 2011
10:50 pm
Greinke is definitely not your typical athlete in an interview. I liked it. It sounded like talking to the dude over a couple of beers, not like the things pro athletes know they are supposed to say in interviews. As a writer it would probably be tough to pull good, representative quotes from him as he really does speak in a more complex, sometimes off base manner than the standard interview blurb. But he comes off as honest, and to me, thoughtful. He is an odd duck no doubt, but who isn’t?
And, hell, if Carpenter is staring down hitters from the mound and yelling at them, he’s a douche and the Brewers should hate him.
Milwaukee used to be a Braves town–Go Greinke! Go Crew!
T for Texas
October 8th, 2011
10:53 pm
Thanks for posting that link, David.
keylargo
October 8th, 2011
10:58 pm
And, hell, if Carpenter is staring down hitters from the mound and yelling at them, he’s a douche and the Brewers should hate him.
If Baseball starts it’s own version of Trash Talking, Taunting and Macho Sh!t I’ll start formulating my plan to separate it from my life.
TnBrian
October 8th, 2011
11:02 pm
That Grienke boy ain’t right. Something is wrong with him in the head. Damn son, sp-sp-spit. it out and dont hold back next time. Jeez! Or, maybe just the typer couldn’t type?
Moe Berg
October 8th, 2011
11:04 pm
I find myself realizing that in terms of baseball space, I liked living on the North Side of Chicago much more than Central New Jersey. Cubs fans are easy to deal with. Here, everyone I meet is either a Yankees or Phillies fan. That is fine. Somehow though, with the Cubs fans, there was a greater sense of just enjoying a game, come what may. Whereas with the NY and Philly fans, winning was the sine qua non of being.
TnBrian
October 8th, 2011
11:06 pm
Well yeah Carpenter is a prick. You can tell he really believes the world revolves around him. Too bad somebody who doesn’t watch a lot of baseball knows nothing about him. Doesn’t he pull or rip a muscle somewhere in his body once a year?
But yeah, love yourself. Shower yourself with chocolates and roses by God!
nolie
October 8th, 2011
11:08 pm
very true Moe.
keylargo
October 8th, 2011
11:10 pm
TNBrian – you’ve gotten, let’s say, more cynical in the last few months. Have you become hitched by any chance?
TnBrian
October 8th, 2011
11:10 pm
nolie, did you read my comment earlier on you and uga? Yeah I let you and him have it! WOOOOO did I ever Let. You. Have. It. I was mad and bad! Im a tough typer. Mean!
Moe Berg
October 8th, 2011
11:11 pm
nolie–I like the attitude of just going to enjoy a game so much more. Of course, I want my team to win, but if it is a good game, it is a good game, regardless of who wins. With the Cubs fans, they knew the team would screw it up at some point, so just have a good time. I was in Boston in the mid-90s (before the Epstein-Francona era). There was a similar sense there. I like when baseball can just be about kicking back and enjoying a game.
Moe Berg
October 8th, 2011
11:13 pm
Off to dinner.
TnBrian
October 8th, 2011
11:14 pm
keylargo, got married in May, but I’ve always been a little cynical anyways. Maybe moreso … very observant of you I admit.
TnBrian
October 8th, 2011
11:20 pm
Okay, Wren said it before and he just said it again – he wants more athleticism on the team. To me, aside from acquiring Uggla, your “power bats” aren’t on the menu for Wren. Dont see a big, Bourn type deal happening, but could see another out of nowhere trade involving JJ this winter.
nolie
October 8th, 2011
11:22 pm
me too Moe, but that means we ain’t “real true Braves Fans” per many here
Venice Jim
October 9th, 2011
12:14 am
Guess there’s not much point in saying good night…
Kat
October 9th, 2011
12:38 am
Wanda Sykes and her opener Keith Robinson were great. She even had a bit on Atlanta. She performed at a venue built in 1931..it’s one of those gorgeous places with beautiful ceilings, amazing seating.. http://www.tpsalbanydowntownmedcenter.com/images/PalaceStage.jpg
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
12:40 am
Hello everyone! Good Day in sports,and hope those who had beer. Will man up,and have the right beer. A little humor……
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
12:44 am
Here’s an idea, let Bourn play. Sign Carlos Quentin,and since we can’t sign Rollins now. I would go for Reyes,and sign Bourn during mid season. You can use contract extentions….
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
12:59 am
I know some may want Josh Willingham,but I don’t think hit the ball out of Turner Field. Thats why I would want a Carlos Quentin.
DS1
October 9th, 2011
1:05 am
A little late night insomnia last night ot me off on a tangent on some possible targets. Most of these folks have some warts. Not all do I think would be good acquisitions. Just saying that upfront, so that folks won’t come on and say what a dummy I am (which is oft times true).
Ryan Doumit C-1B-LF probable free agent.
Chase Headley 3B-OF learned how to take a BB this past year. Switch hitter. Do know much about his D though.
Nolan Reimold OF good BA to OBP differential, means he can take a walk, but needs to impove on his BA. Fairly equal vs LH and RH.
Kouzmanoff 3B Good glove. Weak bat. Has a bit of power.
DeRosa Very limited AB’s, good BA this year. Is he done? Would he come home for cheap $?
Wiggington Rockies will pay a lot of his salary next year. Good power.
Heisey Might be coming into his own. Good power numbers, but is a RH batter that hits RH pitchers great, and sux against LH’s.
Just some names to consider? This would be IF Smilin Frank goes the conservative route.
I think he will stay conservative and expect guys like Prado, Uggla, McCann and Gonzo to come back to career norms. Heyward to put off the bad vibes. And Bourn to be what we thought he would be when we dealt for him.
My 2 cents worth.
Now, FW will probably go out and deal Heyward and sign Reyes and Pujols since I have had my say….
DS1
October 9th, 2011
1:07 am
Ward
Prado will be back in LF next year. Let him get healthy over the winter, and he will improve in 2012.
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
1:08 am
ESPN droping Hank Williams Jr. bad move,and over reaction,and say good bye to the Monday Night Football ratings…….
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
1:10 am
DS1: I like the idea of putting Prado on the bench,as our strong bench player,and then pu him on third after Chipper done.
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
1:10 am
DS1: I like the idea of putting Prado on the bench,as our stromng bench player,and then pu him on third after Chipper done.
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
1:10 am
That could stable the bench,and make it strong….
DS1
October 9th, 2011
1:13 am
Only way Prado goes to the bench is if we are able to deal for a big bat in the outfield.
I was always a Kelly Johnson supporter over Prado, but I have gone full circle on Prado. I think he stays in the starting lineup.
But I could be wrong.
Woody Woodward
October 9th, 2011
1:14 am
Hank Williams made the bad move comparing the President to Hitler. Geez. I don’t even care if he really believes it, I’d a fired him just for being stupid enough to say it into a microphone.
Woody Woodward
October 9th, 2011
1:16 am
DS1–I’d like to see what Prado’d fetch on the market. I didn’t really like his glove or his arm in left.
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
1:17 am
Freedom Of Speech my friend. In the Constitution,and leave it,as that.
Woody Woodward
October 9th, 2011
1:18 am
He’s free to say whatever he wants, but ESPN’s free to fire him, too.
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
1:18 am
Thought, I would share my thought,and just some ideas…..
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
1:19 am
Good point,Just think ESPN should chill some times,but just my opinion…….
Woody Woodward
October 9th, 2011
1:19 am
this is the place for it.
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
1:22 am
I would like Quentin. Like his numbers a lot,and think he could hit the ball out of Turner Field.
bravesfaninNashville
October 9th, 2011
1:23 am
Has anyone on here considered that Rollins may want to stay a Phillie? They have a better chance than any other team in the NL East to be really good because of their pitching and strong line-up. I’d be surprised if he leaves unless someone way overpays him to play elsewhere ala.. Jason Werth with the Nats…. The Nationals will regret that contract in the end and I think it may take something similar to pry Rollins from Philadelphia. It’s interesting because the Braves aren’t known for paying over market value for players with the exception of Lowe and possibly KK. If Frank Wren does go get Rollins it will take overpaying him IMHO. So if he signs him and has to give him an extra year or two to get it done he’ll likely be under scrutiny from the very people that are blogging here calling for Wren to sign him. Sometimes it’s hard to win as a GM. I just like Wrens commitment to get more athletic and faster. I hope he focuses on that and getting high contact hitters.
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
1:26 am
Yeah,heard from Baseball Tonight that the Phillies would sign Rollins,and thats why I droped the Rollins issue…
DS1
October 9th, 2011
1:27 am
Concerning Hank Jr: Gotta understand that in the world of political correctnes, you are better off to keep your thoughts to yourself sometimes. He was more making a contrast than comparing the Prez to Hitler, it seemed to me.
Why screw up your payday on a comment you know is going to incite.
DS1
October 9th, 2011
1:28 am
Nashville
I think Rollins stays in Phillie. I hope so anyway. That way they can ALL get old together in the next couple of years.
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
1:31 am
Some times it’s best to say nothing,if it doesn’t sound right.
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
1:34 am
Any on Board with Quentin?
Ward High Hopes back
October 9th, 2011
1:37 am
Well, I’m gone ,but will be back later,or tomorrow,and peace….