7:23 pm September 30, 2011, by David O'Brien
Fire Larry Parrish
September 30th, 20117:28 pm
BEST DAY OF THE SEASON.
GIVE US THE 2012 TROPHY NOW.
September 30th, 20117:30 pm
Good move for you guys. Wren is the one in charge, Fredi is just running his mouth and is clearly in over his head. Hire someone with major league experience and a track record for success and you’re set.
Been fun, guys. Back to coaching my Rays! Still doubting me?
RAYS WORLD ORDER!!!!!!!!!
Braves Fan in PA
September 30th, 20117:33 pm
I hope Don Baylor is OK heard he fainted early. He was the last really impactful hitting coach I remember the Braves having too bad we couldn’t get him back!
September 30th, 20117:34 pm
Nice job by Wren to take the leadership in this situation.
September 30th, 20117:36 pm
Good move! The right move!
Parrish had NO plan for helping or changing the situation.
Clarence Jones sat in the same situation several years in a row,
players would get into a slump and never get out!
He had to go – Parrish had to go!
September 30th, 20117:37 pm
I don’t know if firing Parrish will make a difference, but it’s refreshing to hear Wren speak in plain and honest terms about the team’s weakness. This is good news and the off season has begun on a positive note.
Amazing news! Can I recommend Dale Murphy to replace him? Who else is available?
September 30th, 20117:39 pm
Wren said he asked Gonzalez this week whether he wanted all his coaches back, and Gonzalez told him yes, but with some reservations because he thought issues needed to be addressed
Well, even though Gonzalez had his reservations regarding the change needed (and I don’t know if those reservations were on what was done today), I still don’t consider Gonzalez to be a true leader.
September 30th, 20117:41 pm
Hire Larry Jones, Sr!!!
September 30th, 20117:42 pm
They need to fire that Jones fellow. 15 million for that crap. Come on people.
September 30th, 20117:43 pm
Yes, finally! Can’t wait to see who Wren is interested in.
September 30th, 20117:44 pm
somebody had to take the fall. it wasn’t going to be gonzalez or wren. bye bye parrish. fact is……this is not a playoff caliber team. the lineup is full of holes with too many easy outs. the horses aint there….it wasnt LP’s fault.
The next time I lose a ground ball in the sun will be the first time.
September 30th, 20117:48 pm
I had a feeling that demoting Terry Pendleton would be a bad idea, he was big on not giving up at-bats…… We need someone who will help the players battle, mentally and physically.
September 30th, 20117:49 pm
I think Dave Justice would make a good hitting coach. He knows what a nut sack looks like. And he got us our only ring.
September 30th, 20117:50 pm
Thanks for the post on Parrish and Wren’s quotes.
September 30th, 20117:52 pm
Lowe needs to go. Starters need better conditioning. Deeper bullpen, although I believe that having Moylan healthy will help. Christian Martinez needs more set up work.
Perfect solution. Retire NOW Larry, and become Hitting Coach.
September 30th, 20117:54 pm
Liberty Media’s solution:
For me it’s one down and one to go. FIRE FREDI!
September 30th, 20117:58 pm
I still don’t know who or what Liberty Media is.
Great to see these honest remarks by Wren….he is absolutely right about the Braves being easy outs so I hope they’ll get a good hitting coach this time.
September 30th, 20117:59 pm
Can Frank show Fredi the door as well?
September 30th, 20118:01 pm
How about hiring a manager that knows how to coach hitting in case the next hitting coach sucks too.
Larry “chipper” Jones is a narcissistic loser.
September 30th, 20118:02 pm
Ask his first wife.
September 30th, 20118:09 pm
Good start….but I’m already tired of the “la dee da” attitude of Fredi…..for god’s sake Fredi…either show that you are angry about what happened or leave town…..it should be that simple.
I actualy wish the Braves would convince Chipper Jones to retire and immediately accept the job as the Major League team hitting coach. Then, have Liberty unload some money and get a third baseman and left fielder with good gloves and bats (and some speed would be nice also).
I know this will not happen, and therefore Chipper is still an above average player.
But, I really believe the man would be an excellent hitting coach.
September 30th, 20118:11 pm
Ok, now make Freddi the hitting coach and Hire Franconna!
Hiawatha Terrell Wade
September 30th, 20118:14 pm
Sid Bream's Leg
September 30th, 20118:19 pm
Regardless of intent, firing Parrish gives the appearance of “he’s the guy to blame”. Sounds a lot like Wren and Fredi aren’t on the same page in the least.
It wasn’t Larry Parrish’s fault that Fredi overused the bullpen. Parrish didn’t put a 9-16 Derek Lowe with a 4.96 ERA (at the time) and no win’s in Sept. on the mound with a 1 game lead in the wild card and 2 games left in season. We know how that turned out. Fredi’s comments on Lowe all along had been “He’s hit a rough patch, but I stand behind him and he’ll be on the mound.” Very similar to comments he had made about Scott Proctor. Please Wren, don’t let Lowe start for the Braves anymore.
September 30th, 20118:20 pm
Chipper Jones should be player/hitting coach. Then hitting coach when he retires if he will do it. I know he wants to coach but probably wants to manage and start coaching in the minors. I dont know what his future holds as far as where he will be coaching and to what extent but I do know he would be a great hitting coach. MUCH better then Pendleton, Parrish or Clarence Jones for sure. I didnt understand ANY of those hires myself.
September 30th, 20118:21 pm
“Wren said the move was not made to satisfy fans or media members who wanted someone held accountable.”
Says it all right there. Straight from the donkey’s mouth, and just as stubborn.
This is why futility is this organization’s middle name. If Wren were as smart as he thinks he is, he would fire himself next. We could probably get a hitter who can at least hit double his weight.
September 30th, 20118:22 pm
“Glowing recommendations influenced the hire”
And what’s that supposed to mean ? Who recommended that guy, Charlie Manuel ?
Tom Emanski should be the hitting coach.
I give him my full endorsement.
September 30th, 20118:23 pm
Realist is a douche. Chipper
Ost that chopper in the lights while playing in a football stadium. Chipper is loyal. Did you see him taking that role Bedford Wednesday’s game? I think Roger McDowell is the one who should go. What was he doing when Kimbrel struggled and Freddi should have told him to get out there.
September 30th, 20118:24 pm
I second what an earlier fan had suggested that Don Bailor was the last hitting coach that made an obvious impact. on players. I, too pray the former Braves, and current Arizona hitting coach is OK? Now let’s hope we can get someone with a strong theory/plan on how to gain needed production in 2012 by a roster of what should be a very-very successful lineup of all tough outs! I comment Frank Wren for being pro-active and showing leadership at least.
This does what?
September 30th, 20118:26 pm
This move does what for the Braves? A batting coach in the pros is like a swing coach to a pro golfer. Their nice to have but don’t have to have. If a big leaguer can’t make adjustments at the plate then he needs to refund the club the money he’s stealing. This is a token move. Braves will be serious when they first lose Larry. Trouble is you can’t get much value for him now so you’re probably stuck. Dude doesn’t even reside in the Peach State in the off season. Please get a real LF and put Prado back at third. There has got to be some hot shot SS in the minors that they can bring up or better yet package the drunken Lowe and get a middle inf in here. Don’t let Lowe toe the rubber again, his value diminishes with every pitch he throws. Move 34 year old Gonzo, lock down Bourne long term, send J-Hey to winter ball so he can get his head together . With his skills he should be dominating and making a 30/30 year look routine. Changing the batting coach is insulting to those of you suckas that pay top dough for season tix.
For everybody talking about Chipper being a hitting coach….why in the world would a guy probably worth a 100 million dollars spend six months of the year in a dug out or a hotel room. Not to mention off season preparation. This guy can afford to sit on a yacht in the riviera.
September 30th, 20118:31 pm
Did not understand the demotion of Terry Pendelton. why not a promotion. Manager and Hitting coach all in one. Not since the Otis Nixon, Marquise Grissom era have we produced runs by stealing bases. Not just the Head Coach, but Derek Lowe can follow Parrish.
WOW did anyone check out the offical website Wren Said he doesnt think Lowe will be a starter next year. Wren seems pissed about time the team showed some fire! A spade is a spade point blank period!!!
September 30th, 20118:32 pm
“For everybody talking about Chipper being a hitting coach….why in the world would a guy probably worth a 100 million dollars spend six months of the year in a dug out or a hotel room”
Because people who make as much as Chipper, in whatever field they choose, do so because they love what they do, more than the money and success it brings.
September 30th, 20118:33 pm
They’ll give it some time but you will see – Pendleton will return as hitting coach.
Good news. It’s a good day.
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
September 30th, 20118:34 pm
still trying to figure out why the braves hired him in the first place- he’s never been a hitting coach before.
September 30th, 20118:35 pm
This guy is just the scape goat for the year. The entire coaching staff should be gone and send Wren with them since he backed this crap to begin with.
September 30th, 20118:38 pm
Chipper has to go!!! I have been saying this for the last 3yrs…We can use that 15 million dollars on someone younger!!! The hitting coach was not the problem at all. He was just the lamb that got ate! Go bring up some of the younger pitcher’s, Lowe needs to Go! Hudson has about 1 more yr left in him but hell we over pay him also for 16 wins and over 10 losses! Heywood needs to go and play in the winter league along with Freddie… An why dont we go after B.J. Upton???? Stop being scared and make moves and spend the money on players that will stay for yrs and not a summer!!!
September 30th, 20118:39 pm
Ok the numbers with TP were better OBP and blah blah blah at the end of the day it is PLAYERS I agree with being loyal to your guys but if they are not getting it done that is when loyalty goes in the crapper. Yes Uggla struggled but he has done it in the BIGS and the Braves want power and they got it. For how many years has this team been a station to station 3 run homer to score team they need more production from the outfield positions and I dont care what Fredi says you still need some production from your shortstop I like Gonzo too and wouldnt oppose to him coming back. He saved runs and made alot of great plays but if this team would have scored more than 2 runs a game this wouldnt have been an issue
Boston has won two Championships in the last 10 years and they can their manager for having the same finish that the Braves did. What do the Braves do? They fire their hitting coach. This is a snapshot of the difference between a team that will accept nothing shot of a Championship and that would have been satisfied to back into the post season as a wild card.
The Braves should be sending gifts and money to the Red Sox because the Sox are taking all the heat for being an utter failure when in truth both teams failed. The difference is that people expect it of the Braves.
September 30th, 20118:40 pm
This makes FG look like a fool, Coming out and saying his staff would return in tact for 2012, Maybe he thought he was in charge, I guess FW had to show FG who was really in charge, I think I know why FG was fired by Fla, He really didn’t impress as Manger of Braves, Boston fired Francona for Sept crash, I think Braves would have been better served by firing FG and replacing him and his entire staff with fresh leadership, I don’t think FG will get respect from fans or players next yr and will not advance the team to play offs.
September 30th, 20118:42 pm
He is prone to getting hurt but Reyes would be nice. We need impact bats not a great clubhouse team guy soooooo tired of hearing that BS cliche from baseball people they need someone that is going to get the job done!
Changes needed to be made. Why not start at the top? The man doesn’t have any spunk. We’re back to the same old Braves. The Braves of the 70’s.
Halo the Cat
September 30th, 20118:43 pm
I agree with others about the hire of Larry Parrish who had no experience as hitting coach. I also think the hiring of Fredi Gonzalez was to quick and reactionary. They didn’t even interview anyone else. See what you got there, Frank Wren. Fredi seems to be as sweet and cuddly as Bobby Cox, but he can’t manage very well. Wren had to do Fredi’s dirty work and fire Parrish, Fredi couldn’t manage to do it.
September 30th, 20118:45 pm
They got their scapegoat.
September 30th, 20118:46 pm
next fire gonzales .. next mgr braves terry francona , next to go : chipper, gonzales, lowe ,
September 30th, 20118:49 pm
Until they change the team culture of “we just quietly go about our business,” the Braves will continue to fall short. Passion has been missing from the clubhouse. Everyone acts as old as Chipper. Everyone shouldn’t try to be the quiet, wise old veteran. Someone needs to be the eager, stubborn, young warrior always running towards a fight. The enthusiasm of the young players has been completely muted. Jason Heyward carries himself like an old geezer.
HEY PEOPLE THERE IS GOOD NEW TOO Kawakami and Mclouth come off the books thats 18 million Sherril and and linebrink arent coming back so there is about 20-23 million there you have to add in the bumps in pay Prado Bourn Hanson JJ will get though
and mc dowell bye bye .. where is leo mazonee……//?????
September 30th, 20118:51 pm
I can’t remember the last time I saw or heard about the Braves in a fight or a Braves player charging the mound. Admittedly, I don’t watch many games during the regular season but I do watch Sportscenter.
Firing Parrish was the right thing to do but the way it went down doesn’t look good. A professional organization would not announce a guy was keeping his job and then criticise him while firing him a day later. This is another indication that Fredi is in over his head as the manager of a team that has designs on winning.
September 30th, 20118:52 pm
LEO Mazzone the “Rock” He had Maddux Glavine and Smoltz they made Leo look like a pitching guru but when he went to Baltimore he realized how good he had it with 3 future HOF’s to make him look good
September 30th, 20118:54 pm
GAME 162 WAS THE ONLY TIME I SEEN THIS TEAM THE WHOLE YEAR HAVE THAT FIRE AND EMOTION AND DRIVE TO WIN THE GAME!
September 30th, 20118:55 pm
wake up people chipper is only retiring to be with his family
Braves Fan Since 1966
September 30th, 20119:02 pm
Looks like GM Wren came back from a few days off and looked at a report and decided that at least some change needed to be made. At a minimum it looks like there’s a communications gap between the field manager and the General Manager. While it’s not hard to believe (given the collapse and the announcement that all coaches would be back), it doesn’t give the ticket buyers and the TV fans as much confidence as we’d like to have that the franchise is being managed in accordance with sound management principles. I still think that Frank Wren needs to say something meaningful to Braves fans. There’s way too much talent on that team for the collapse that we just witnessed to ease on into history without so much as an “I’m sorry and here’s what we’re going to do about it.”. Give us something, Mr. Wren.
At the end of the day its players. No opposing pitchers looked at the lineup that they threw out there with concern. This team made soooo many no name first year Starters look like a All star Cy Young award winner! How many times did you guys hear which still makes me cringe “TIP YOUR CAP” to the opposing pitcher? I hardly ever heard I just didnt get it done from hardly any of these players. Then that same pitcher that made the braves look stupid at the plate goes into his next start and gets rocked from the other team!
Hiawatha Terrell Wade is Right – Hire Rudy!
September 30th, 20119:03 pm
Pretty sure that Chipper has said after he retire’s that he’s done, no coaching and it’s family time then. Terry Pendleton was only half a notch better than Parrish. He only kept the job because he’s a former Brave and Cox liked him. We need a bona fid hitting coach. Wren’s comment that he’s taking his time and not rushing with the hire pretty much sounds like the guy he’s after is coaching with a team that’s still playing.
September 30th, 20119:04 pm
What did the BRAVES do under bobby cox. Good season next year looks great lets go BRAVES.
DC Braves Fan
September 30th, 20119:10 pm
That was an impressive interview with Wren. He gets it. I’ve been lamenting all year how we make bad outs. You don’t always have to get hits, but you can’t make bad outs all the time. We get no production out of so many at bats, and I loved how Wren compared our lineup to Philly on that score. I’m still baffled why he brought in guys who are known to give a way a lot of at bats, but that said, he at least understands the problem and that gives me confidence he’ll address it. Well done.
September 30th, 20119:11 pm
Another cliche that is getting old ” You can never have enough starting pitching” on alot of levels I totally agree with that statment but you still have to score runs to win a baseball game! Perfect example the 2011 San Francisco Giants look at how many games that rotation lost because their hitters gave them 1 or no runs to work with. Cain and company should have at least 4 more wins but no run production killed them just like it killed our bullpen with so many extra inning and tight ball games
September 30th, 20119:15 pm
Potential Replacement?: Former Brave Gerald Perry
The Athletics said Friday they aren’t renewing the contracts of bench coach Joel Skinner, pitching coach Ron Romanick and hitting coach Gerald Perry.
I know Perry used to be the batting coach in St. Louis.
Good job! Can we get rid of Fredi and McDowell next? Hire Francona!
September 30th, 20119:19 pm
After Boston fired Francona for blowing a big lead in sept, The Braves give FG a vote of approval for doing the same thing that got Francona fired, FW just lost my respect as GM, Someone should have lost their job for this epic loss, And not the just the hitting coach, Come to find out Parish was never a hitting coach before FG hired him as such, FG has poisoned the well as far as I am concerned, Fire him and start over, He was in over his head from the start, Why in the hell do you think Fla fired him?.
September 30th, 20119:24 pm
Getting Michael Bourn was a great, but we still needed a power hitting, right handed, right fielder.
How many times did Bourn get on and steal second only to be stranded there. Say “NO” to Lowe in the bullpen, it will be Scott Proctor all over again. If we are down 3-2 in the 7th, we will end up losing 10-2 with Lowe relieving. His time has come and gone.
September 30th, 20119:26 pm
Correction on Perry: Played for Cardinals but was not coach.
Gerald June Perry (born October 30, 1960 in Savannah, Georgia) is a former first baseman in Major League Baseball who played from 1983 to 1995 for the Atlanta Braves, Kansas City Royals and St. Louis Cardinals. Perry was selected to the 1988 National League All-Star team. In 1993 he tied a St. Louis Cardinal single-season club record with 24 pinch hits, and in 1995 he became the Cardinals’ all-time pinch-hit leader with 70th Cardinal pinch hit.
Perry was hitting coach for the Seattle Mariners from 2000-2002, the Pittsburgh Pirates from 2003-2005, the Oakland Athletics in 2006, and the Chicago Cubs from 2007 until he was fired on June 13, 2009. The Cubs replaced him with Von Joshua. In 2011, the Athletics re-hired him as batting coach.
September 30th, 20119:29 pm
If Rudy won’t come, pay Kevin Long of Yankees whatever he wants – great philosophy.
san diego steve
DOB..Thanks for all of your and Carroll’s hard work. Best blog in baseball hands down. I have a few questions for you. Who is in charge of the players off-season conditioning program? It is impossible the watch over players with most leaving for either their native Latin American country or another state where they reside. It should be mandatory to prescribe everyone either P90X or CrossFit and have the players report to spring training in shape. This team has quite a few players that need better conditioning. My second question is about winter ball. Can the team make a player participate in winter league? Jason could sure use time in the winter league to work out the holes in is long swing. It is a lot to ask of the young man after a grueling 162 game season and I am almost certain he would only receive a per diem for compensation. I’d love to see him show up to spring training hitting moonshots to left and left-center.
September 30th, 20119:31 pm
LP makes TP look like a genius, yet we had just as much trouble scoring runs last year. Which means we need a bat via trade or free agency. Someone will have to go. Bmac slumped but is still the best hitting catcher in the national league. Freeman was very impressive And can only get better. Uggla, well slow start and all, You can’t throw away 36 hrs. Gonzo I would trade for a ss with better stats. Freddi likes his defense though so that’s not happening. Chipper’s stats were still pretty good in a down year For offense. He was not the problem. Chipper bashers should get over it. He will be back next yr deservingly so. That only leaves the outfield. Bourne was a needed addition to the team, but he is only to set the table. Someone else has to drive him in. Now we’re down to Prado and Heyward. We could have chipper as many as 3 more yrs if he stays healthy and the braves want to pick up his options, so I don’t know if you want to make prado a utility player and sign someone to take his position. The player that should be benched is Heyward. I wouldn’t trade him. Too much potential. He’s young and needs to develop his whole game. Braves can’t have another 220 avg in their lineup next yr. Bottom line is use some of that 15-16 mil they will have available to get a proven hitter in the outfield, or as fans, we can expect similar results next yr.
September 30th, 20119:35 pm
FG should be fired for starting lowe in game 161, With the WC on the line, After losing his last four starts, Lowe was clearly not the best Pitcher for this important game but FG for some reason chose to start Lowe, What was he thinking? That Lowe would pitch a great game after blowing his last four starts, I just don’t see how FW can have confidence in FG, And I don’t think the players Have confidence either, Lets fire FG and hire someone we can trust to restore the Braves to the play offs and respectability.
September 30th, 20119:39 pm
I am sure glad those of us who post on these blogs don’t really coach the Braves. No Lowe and No Parrish will be the start of better things. Enjoy it!
bring back blauser
put chipper in as player-manager and then see what happens. at least he knows what the score is and what goes on in the field. the players listen to him.
Boston Braves fan
September 30th, 20119:43 pm
Glad to see Wren show that this collapse isn’t acceptable. Am tired of seeing the Braves choke every year although most of the time it has been during the playoffs. Fredi should be next. I am so sick of hearing his excuses for the failure of the team and players. I would love to see someone on the Braves call out some of the losers — D Lowe for example. Also, Fredi wore out the bullpen with his quick hook. I got so exasperated when a starter was going strong and then for whatever reason, he always went to O’Flaherty, Venters and Kimbrel almost every game. Leave the starters in when they are going good. Please show Fredi the door and bring in someone who will shake things up!!!
In The Flesh
September 30th, 20119:55 pm
Firing Parrish was a move that probably had to be done, but it’s not like the guy could bat for his players. Next in line to go should be Heyward. He is a lazy, undisciplined hitter and is even worse in the field, often giving up on balls and frequently taking the wrong angle on them. I’m sure the company that he keeps in his spare time doesn’t impress the Braves front office, either. Don’t get me wrong, he could be great, but I don’t believe he has the work ethic. I think his rookie year will be as good as it gets for him.
September 30th, 20119:57 pm
Wow! I am shocked they actually held someones feet to the fire. Wren must be on the hotseat as well.
September 30th, 20119:59 pm
Hire Julio Franco!
Michael, The Abbreviation
September 30th, 201110:00 pm
fire freddy gonzalez, hire terry francona
September 30th, 201110:01 pm
Even I knew Lowe was done for the season. How could he be the starter for such a key game. All coaches should be fired.
September 30th, 201110:02 pm
The hiring and job performance of Fredi Gonzalez and subsequent reaction to his job performance by Frank Wren reminds me of a recent college basketball coaching situation. An up-and-coming coach was hired quickly to replace a winning and highly respected coach. The new coach’s true nature came out that proved he was in over his head. It took the AD 2 seasons to recognize his own job was on the line for the disastrous hire, so he quickly fired the coach and hired a high profile coach who is getting instant results. The coach he should have hired to being with.
Hopefully a good manager with a proven track record will be available after next season when Wren realizes his neck in on the chopping block and he needs to make a change.
We can beat those Cheese Steaks!
September 30th, 201110:06 pm
Its not enough..Hey Fredi are your bags packed? Delta is ready!!
September 30th, 201110:10 pm
These are good moves, but what about someone taking responsibility for the monumentally stupid decisions to pay Derek Lowe and Kenshin Kawakami a combined $23,000,000 this year?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…Frank Wren has absolutely no business being a major league GM. At what point is he held responsible for his foolish decisions?
September 30th, 201110:11 pm
I like what I hear Wren saying. He did a good job of bringing people in (Uggla, Bourne, Constanza), and he held on to the golden arms. But I agree Parrish had to go (Joe Simpson would make a great hitting coach if he communicates as well to players as he does to viewers), and I’m not convinced Fredi is big league material. Esp. the way he ran down the bullpen, and sat Constanza after the guy lit the team up.
September 30th, 201110:12 pm
Another take on the interview from AP writer.
September 30th, 201110:22 pm
Hire Justice asap!
September 30th, 201110:26 pm
J Hey has to quit trying to pull everything. How? Beats me. Wish Skip was still around. Can you imagine how drunk he would have been on Wednesday night into Thursday morning.
Cottonmouth copper rattler
September 30th, 201110:33 pm
Jack Wilson boots one, lays down a perfect bunt where the show should have been in right field. Instead, a perfect bounce to Utley. We were snakebit.
September 30th, 201110:40 pm
Need someone like Gibson with diamondbacks
September 30th, 201110:42 pm
The person to quetion is not Fredi……Frank is suppose to be the man in charge, and should know what changes need to be made. Therefore IMO Frank and Fredi both need to go…..it’s the BLIND LEADING THE BLIND.
September 30th, 201110:44 pm
Pitchers have to go more than 5 innings!!!
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