Medlen’s moment, McCann’s September blues and more

One of the few Braves who could take encouragement from Wednesday’s loss was Kris Medlen. The Braves right-hander was called on to pitch with two outs and the bases loaded in the ninth inning and the season on the line, in only his second outing back from 13 months out rehabbing from elbow ligament-transplant surgery.

Medlen needed only three pitches to get out of the inning and 13 more to work a scoreless 10th. He allowed only one hit in 2 2/3 innings since his return.

“To come in in a humongous spot and do well gives me a bunch of confidence, which is what I needed,” said Medlen, who could either return in 2012 as a starter or a reliever. “I’m mentally drained from the year and a couple months that I’ve gone through, and to be able to help the guys was huge for me. I already can’t wait until next year.”

McCann’s September blues

Brian McCann set out this season to be strong in September after a late-season fade a year ago, by losing weight and changing his offseason routine. As it turned out, he did just the opposite.

McCann hit only .200 (17-for-85) in the month of September, a career-low, while striking out a career-high once every 3.86 at-bats for the month. He expected his body to be worn down by the daily grind of catching, but that was compounded this season by an oblique injury.

McCann took only two weeks off in early August after the injury and hit only .180 (24-for-133) with six home runs and 16 RBIs in 37 games since his return.

When asked if he thinks he came back too early, McCann said: “I don’t know. You could always sit back and (second-guess). I know I’ve learned a lot this year as far as, this in the first time I went on the DL. I want to be out there and I want to play. I just didn’t get it done. It was just a bad month of baseball for me. I feel terrible about that.”

McCann said he’ll re-evaluate his routine and continue trying to find a way to prepare his body for such a long grind. He’ll do it with a lingering bad taste.

“I feel like I let everybody down,” he said. “I’m a guy that hits in the middle of the order, that’s supposed to drive in runs, and the way I performed wasn’t very good.”

Eye on Jurrjens and Hanson

The season was over, but manager Fredi Gonzalez told Jair Jurrjens to go ahead with his scheduled start in instructional league Thursday night. Gonzalez wanted him to get in his five innings of work in his knee brace, and continue to build confidence in his right knee. Jurrjens has been out since Aug. 30 with a bone bruise.

“He’s really worked really hard to improve that strength in his quad and that brace,” Gonzalez said. “I said, ‘It’ll be a good test to see how you hold up.’”

Tommy Hanson, meanwhile, might be supplying the Braves a little more concern at this point, since it was a shoulder injury that kept him out the final two months of the season. Hanson won’t throw again until December, as he continues to rehab his shoulder for an undersurface rotator cuff tear.

“When pitchers start having trouble with their arms, of course you start worrying about it,” Gonzalez said.

231 comments Add your comment

bruce

September 29th, 2011
5:51 pm

Thanks for a great season of keeping us posted and up to date. Sad end, but great job — thanks!

southern hope

September 29th, 2011
5:55 pm

Here’s the difference between us and Boston…in a press conference today, the manager/coach were asked about people being let go, changes, etc…and they said (wisely), “it’s only been 24 hours…we need to wait until the emotion and shock has ebbed and then we can look at it clearly.”

But here in Atlanta, we’ve already announced that 100% of the staff is coming back….no need to even think about it. IN a season of ups & downs, NOTHING has made me madder than this. Its a slap to the fans….

Christine

September 29th, 2011
6:07 pm

@southern hope

Exactly.

Graham

September 29th, 2011
6:11 pm

Thanks DOB.

Frank Wren needs to make a change either at manager or Larry Parrish. I think the Braves will lose a lot of fans if they don’t do something. I have followed the Braves for the last 20 years and this is by far the most disappointing day in Braves history.

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

September 29th, 2011
6:15 pm

I have always believed that for the professional athlete, if you get inside their heads, you can derail them far worse than a physical injury.
For the Braves, it was an upset to the delicate psychological balance they had going by mid season with outstanding starting pitching, a great bullpen, better than expected fielding, and just enough offense.
We then lost two of our starting four pitchers, and the club began to press.
The rookies brought in to start did OK, but didn’t get far enough into the game to keep pressure from building up on the bullpen and the offense.
The bullpen lost their edge, and couldn’t throw as many strikes, and they too, pressed.
The hitting just seemed to disappear and everyone tried to hit a 5 run homer. Competition picked up on this and didn’t throw strikes. The hitters picked up on this, and stated swinging at the first few pitches that were close.
The new manager this year could not get his guys to just calm down and play the game.
Injuries were there again this year too. Guys seemed to wear out at the end of the year. Guys lost confidence in each other to deliver, and pressed to pick each other up.

The balance was gone, and they flamed out.

I will go out however and pick up a Detroit cap this weekend,—my other team won their division and will play the Yankees first.
Go Tigers!!

Bobby Bobby

September 29th, 2011
6:21 pm

Graham. I have been a Braves fan since 1974. Trust me in this, this season is not even close to the worst. I think it was 1988 when Chip Carey said “The Braves are as exciting as watching paint dry”. Braves history started long before 1991.

steve

September 29th, 2011
6:21 pm

Its not Freddies fault..Someone need to blame the players. He cant go out there and hit with runners in scoring postion..

Thanks for all the hard work you do D O B!

garynpOH

September 29th, 2011
6:23 pm

what are the expectations for next year, this is what i want to hear from FW and FG. as fans we should have expectations, overall there was not enough performance to warrant Freddi to say all the coaches will be back.

should we expect mediocrity and become like pirate fans or KC fans.

expectation of winning, i just don’t see it as much as i would like to, it seems it is just not there.

J-Man

September 29th, 2011
6:26 pm

Well I’ll admit that the season was not a complete failure and we have good things to hope for. Kimbrel, Freeman, Venters, Beechy ect. But Gonzalaz showed no fire and no urgency and needs to go because this collapse made all the good things we have done turn to turn sour.

J-Man

September 29th, 2011
6:27 pm

@ Steve, Carroll posted this article

Baker

September 29th, 2011
6:28 pm

@southern hope- i dont have any problem with all the coaches coming back, but the difference is in Boston, they’re pissed. Atlanta fans and the team and the coaches should be pissed. Fredi Gonzo just sounds like, oh well, ho-hum. I want less Eeyore, more anger. Get mad.

tinman

September 29th, 2011
6:30 pm

I’ve watched the Braves play since !966 and this is the weakest team they have ever put on the field. When you don’t have enough desire to win for the fans you need to get out of the game. They need to put Chipper out to pasture and send Lowe, Fredi G. and entire staff packing.

alex

September 29th, 2011
6:33 pm

they are all coming back!?, Not on my dime,see ya…..

DC Brave

September 29th, 2011
6:34 pm

Thanks DOB and Thanks Carroll. Seriously, we have the beat writes in the nation. Just wish we didn’t have to start off season mode already.

J-Man

September 29th, 2011
6:37 pm

why are my comments being deleted?

J-Man

September 29th, 2011
6:39 pm

@ Baker Let me tell you bro Atlanta Fans are PISSSED THE FRICK OFF!!! And to tell you the truth if the AJC ran a poll asking if Fredi Gonzalaz should be fired I’m willing to bet that 80% of the fans would fire him…………Note to AJC put that poll up and I wanna see if I’m right.

Poorbrave

September 29th, 2011
6:39 pm

Agree with Southern Hope. Braves Management don’t care what fans think are want. Fredi and his Staff got a failing grade period. I’m not a loser so I wouldn’t put up with that but Braves Management don’t seem to care. Losers breed losers and 2nd is losing. All the little signs in OF don’t mean shi* till you win the big ones WS. I’d bet my life Fredi will never win the big one. Fredi is a loser now and later.

J-Man

September 29th, 2011
6:41 pm

Too bad we have such terific beat writers for such a sh*tty team. We should let you cover a real team because how many times can you write “Tip you cap” without not trying to choke out Gonzalaz

Poorbrave

September 29th, 2011
6:41 pm

Oh, they’ll never get another penny out of me..no tickets, no caps,shirts, jackets etc as long as Fredi runs the show.

Poorbrave

September 29th, 2011
6:44 pm

tip your cap is Cuban, are what?
I don’t tip my hat but I’ll take it off for something worth while..

cowdogit

September 29th, 2011
6:44 pm

Worse performance in national league history. Fredi said no changes. HEY FREDI !! NO FANS.

garynpOH

September 29th, 2011
6:46 pm

well put J-man

01HAWK

September 29th, 2011
6:46 pm

How many people out there said that HANSON would have arm and shoulder problem when they saw his delivery ?

Almost everyone did,

When the trade deadline was approaching at the end of JULY………………………………..PHILLIES FANS stated that the BRAVES seem to value their prospects so much more than anyone else…………………..and of course we should……………………………………….But, some of them are not what we thought they would be.

PHILLY.COM……………………………….PHILLIES FORUM…………………………..They are cracking their sides laughing at the BRAVES………………………With good reason. I am more embarassed than they are and it should not be that way.

VinceVanGo

September 29th, 2011
6:52 pm

If the Braves fans want a little revenge and justice on the Phillies just wait until the Phils get beat by the hot Cards in the first round, then we can all have a good laugh at the over priced- over confident Phillies. They do have holes in their team and any of the other 3 N.L. playoff teams is capable of putting the Phils out. Mark it down.

J-Man

September 29th, 2011
6:56 pm

We need to get rid of this Cuban (Gonzalaz) and get another Cuban (Mark) to buy the team

Brave-less

September 29th, 2011
6:57 pm

Sooo about that NLDS rotation that was talked about a few weeks ago

is Fredi still going to try and use JJ in that series or just go with the rookies and possibly use him in the NLCS?

braveshoo

September 29th, 2011
7:02 pm

If the Braves want to win in 2012, I suggest 3 bold moves. First, get a tough, firey manager like Arizona did. Second, hire Don Baylor as hitting coach no matter what it costs. Third, trade Tommy Hanson to Texas for Michael Young and put him at SS. Young is just what the Braves need: firey, hard nose, consistent and a winner. He can play SS, 2B, or 3rd, and he hits: .335 average, 110 rbis, 88 runs scored, and a .380 OBP. Only 11 HRs-sowhat; he knocks in those runners in scoring position. He does cost 16 million a year in 2012 and 2013, but thats why the Braves may be able to get him for a good young pitcher like Hanson who is just becoming arbitration elegible. The problem with Hanson is he is injury prone, and he is represented by Boras. Then your lineup looks like this: Bourn-CF, Young-SS, Chipper-3rd, Uggla-2nd, McCann-catcher, Freeman-1b, Heyward-RF, and Prado-LF. If Pastornicky comes up to play SS in 2013 arter Chipper retires, then you move Young to 3rd. Your starting pitchers are Hudson, JJ, Minor, Beachy and Delgado or Tehran. If both Tehran and Delgado are ready, you can move Beachy to the BP where he has closer stuff, and would take some pressure off Kimbrel. Your BP is Medlin, Viscaino, Martinez, Lowe, Oflaherty, Venters and Kimbrel. If you can trde Lowe and save some salary, then you keep Varvaroin the pen and hope that Tehran or Moylan is ready in July/ August. In 2013, Tehran takes Hudson’s or JJ’s place, whichever way the team wants to go. The whole key is Young who helps our hitting immensely.

PhilsFanFromNJ

September 29th, 2011
7:05 pm

Hey VinceVanGo, god bless you if having the Phils lose to the Cards in the NLDS (which is a possibility)would make you feel any better after the Phils schooled your Braves and contributed to their September collapse. The Phils may lose, but better chance they will beat the Cards (at least that’s what Vegas is saying). In any event, the Phils have a chance to make it to the World Series, and the Braves can wait for next year. By the way, the Phils will be even better next year with Phils GM Amaro stating that we will be actively pursuing Reyes and Kemp in the off season. Cheers.

iusedtocritizecox2

September 29th, 2011
7:14 pm

VinceVanGo – what are the Holes in the philly team? I’m a loyal Braves fan. But if all teams in the playoffs play up to their ability the phillies will win. I won’t be happy about it but they have the fewest holes of any of the eight.

deron

September 29th, 2011
7:16 pm

The worst thing about this collapse was that the Cards didn’t play that great down the stretch, just good enough to pass the Braves.

http://theresastatforthat.blogspot.com/2011/09/beantown-breakdown-short-history-of.html

fire fredi

September 29th, 2011
7:31 pm

Cards didn;t have to play hard they knew Braves under Fredi would fold..

Lil' Barry Bailout

September 29th, 2011
7:34 pm

Who cares. Braves over.

iTiSi

September 29th, 2011
7:38 pm

The questions was asked by someone last night why the stands were not filled, as there were many seats open. Even the night before when they announced 42,000 as the attendance, there were lots of empty seats. Why can’t the announcers give an estimate of the attendance rather than just flat out lying about it? Anyway, I guess the person who asked that question last night now has their answer. The people who are smart do not want to spend money on a bad, very bad, pathetic product!

Braves Fan for 55 yrs

September 29th, 2011
7:41 pm

Re: McCann He looks FAT, LUMPY, Overweight. I love the effort he puts in but he has to learn he can not eat but 3 reasonable meals a day or his career will be shortened and he will not perform to his max ability. And those plays at the plate, try keeping your eyes open, it is much easier to catch the ball.

BRAVESFAN

September 29th, 2011
7:49 pm

McCann and others came back from sitting on the bench to going back at it 100% way too fast. Brian didn’t get nominated to the All-Star game as a starter for nothing. Just do what you did last off season because it was working. Didn’t he even get the first stolen base of the year for the Braves?

JJ

September 29th, 2011
7:49 pm

Braveshoo,you make too much sense to be on this blog.The only thing people on here want to do is get rid of young talent like JJ,Heyward,and Prado.I believe we can get by with Wilson at ss next year or sign Alex for 1.5mil and wait for Chipper and Lowe to leave and either sign a LF or 3b with that money.I also am sceptible of Hanson because it is his shoulder and it keeps coming up.I really hope we don’t get rid of our young pitchers or Heyward.I believe he,Freddie,Uggla,Prado,Bourn,and Mac along with who plays ss,3rd,or lf with our pitching should make us a Team to be delt with for a while.I also hope we keep our back-up catcher along with Hinske and Matty Diaz.GO BRAVES.l

bravesgirl

September 29th, 2011
7:55 pm

@ braveshoo…
I agree. The braves need a coach who can show emotion. A hitting coach who recognizes what is wrong with a hitter. And a middle infielder or corner outfielder with .300 or above BA and 350-400 OBP or higher. If they go after an outfielder, Prado can be the utility guy off the bench or play 3rd when Chipper needs off. Hanson is ok trade material, but his shoulder means the won’t get much for him. To get Young, they would have to include an above average prospect.
I pray that Wren, Fredi, and the rest figure out the missing link. Too much talent is being wasted and not coached (pushed) to their full potential.

tman

September 29th, 2011
7:57 pm

It was really sickening to listen to the FG interview in the lockeroom after the choke. How about standing up and calling it like it is, instead of all the political double speak? We get enough of that in politics. First off why was Lowe even pitching in Tuesday’s game? Why not one of the young guns? Next question, why wasn’t Lowe taken out as soon as it was obvious he didn’t have anything? This isn’t April, FG! Same applies to Kimbrel last night. He was horrible and nobody warming soon enough to even replace him. How lame to not “relieve” a reliever, closer notwithstanding. Closer is the biggest over rated term in baseball. I don’t care if a dude throws 80mph, if he get’s people out, use him. It sure appears O’Flaherty may have the better make up and stuff for the closer’s job. Why isn’t that obvious to this team? I’m so sick of mis managing, esepecially with pitchers. Another thing…why was Hayward back as a starter when the team was on fire with Constanza and Bourne in there? I predict Hayward will be a way bigger bust than Francour. He has not learned any upercut technique. Looks like he’s swinging off a tee and he needs to be a big gun, not line drive/grounder/strike out machine. All these extra inning games were ridiculous. It’s about time we worried more about offense than drafting pitchers. As bad as I dislike the Phillies, then should be the model for signee’s and trade/free agent work. Man, they blow Wren out of the water! We sure could use some outfielders with pop, like Pence. How did WE NOT get him?? Hanson and Jurgens need to go, along with Lowe. Tough, but the truth. I sure wish the great management would have looked further than FG for this job. I LOVE Kirk Gibson and was hoping so bad, the Braves might have considered him. I’m sure he manages like he played. Takes no BS, communicates and isn’t afraid to pull a pitcher that sucks. Watching Captain Hook (Sparky) helped him, non doubt. Prado is no #2 hitter and not an outfielder. I know we don’t have the money of Philly, but we could still do so much better if our clown crew management, could see what us fans see. Use some creativity! Don’t catagorize so damn much! Truly a sickening end of what could have been. Who is the conditioning guru of these guys? Most of them look like the night of the living dead out there this time of year. Why do other teams still have energy? Signed, one long term PISSED OFF FAN!

bobby

September 29th, 2011
8:01 pm

Aside from other problems, I wonder if Brian is having trouble with his eyes?

Worm

September 29th, 2011
8:02 pm

Could Medlin not have started 161?

RHR

September 29th, 2011
8:07 pm

Was today clean out locker day? Bet it was somber. :cry:

Big Wally

September 29th, 2011
8:07 pm

It says a lot that the only player in the game last night (besides Hudson) who gave a good account of himself was on the DL for 98% of the season, where’s the rest of the team – already mentally checked out.

wonder

September 29th, 2011
8:14 pm

If I became tired at the end of a 6 month period having only worked 162 days for about 6 hours, would people notice or care? I go to work 5 days a week, 12 months a year with 2 weeks off and care of others for 8- 10 hours. I make decent money, not millions and I do not make excuses if I am tired or hurt. I give 100%, because that is what I am paid to do

J-Man

September 29th, 2011
8:14 pm

Is there any reason to even be a Braves fan now? Please Carroll or D.O.B. give us something to hold our heads on because Fredi gave us nothing……..Tip your cap

JoeFan

September 29th, 2011
8:19 pm

The only good lot in the starting rotation next year. Otherwise get some fire in the tasnkthing to come out of last night was seeing Medlin pitch. Hope he can fill a starting slot next year. In the meantime get players and coaches in here with fire in their belly.

bernard

September 29th, 2011
8:20 pm

Brave fans…aren’t you weary of the sucky way the braves have been strining you along with this Dollar store mentality…Braves will win when they spend…they traded David Justice & have not won since because of bargain basement talent like Derek lowe instead of Cliff Lee..Cox & Freddi are way over rated(minnie me & Dr Evil)…Wren is WRONG…DEMAND CHAnGE or we’ll be back here again next season Beechy is a choker like Heyward & Conrad, Gonzo’s outa here…need new owners PLS!..NEED FANS THAT ARE NOT COLLUDERS! GIVE’EM HELL..Leo is an example of a colluder like cox. A sucker is born every second and brave fans are suckers!!!! WE DESERVE BETTER AND the BRAVES BRAINTRUST KNOW IM RRRIGHT!!! GET BACK U DONT KNOW ME LIKE THAT!!!

Big Wally

September 29th, 2011
8:22 pm

Can’t wait to hear the slogans for next year “Better hurry up and see us, before we choke in September”, “Watch Fredi G. try to make out a lineup card”, “See how any double plays Chipper can hit into”, “If Derek Lowe gives up 6 or more runs, you’ll get $6 off of your next oil change at Jiffy Lube”,

Liberty Media

September 29th, 2011
8:26 pm

Don’t worry Braves fans, we are with you all the way. You know we are behind your team 100%.

tman

September 29th, 2011
8:31 pm

LOL…gotta love that Jiffy Lube deal! Forgot in my earlier rant to make notice of the Phils using a lot of scrub players the 2nd half or so last night and they still just toyed with us! Our front line against their fill ins and we still lose! WTF??

Felix

September 29th, 2011
8:37 pm

Once, just once, I’d like to see Fredi chew out an umpire. What does it take to get his blood boiling? I mean here he was, in the most critical game of the season, the third base umpire completely blows a call (calling Bourne out at third) that may cost the his team a run and the game-(and it did both) , and what does he do? He just soft shoes out to the ump, meekly mumbles a few words, and then passively strolls back to the dugout. Now that’s really supporting your team! That’s really going to get your team fired up!

J-Man

September 29th, 2011
8:48 pm

Can we expect anything?

Jordan

September 29th, 2011
8:59 pm

Big Wally

September 29th, 2011
9:04 pm

The Atlanta Braves…..a commitment to mediocrity. From the President of the organization all the way down the ball boys, we promise to give the fans our best half @ss effort.

SusieQ

September 29th, 2011
9:11 pm

Are you people really Braves fans?

Rafael

September 29th, 2011
9:18 pm

I’m glad Matt Diaz “managed to maintain his sense of humor.”

The REAL JOKE is Matt Diaz (”he rakes lefthanders you know”). This mediocre, bargain-basement, pig-in-a-poke BUM should be laughing because the Braves are the ONLY MLB team where he can find a job. I’m sure other MLB teams are laughing histerically also because the Braves actually start this no-talent bum in the OF.

It will be NO JOKE when Matt “Lugo” Diaz is our STARTING RF next year. It’s true, Michael Bourn will be traded (Liberty CHEAPIA is NOT going to spend the money to sign him to an extension). I ENJOYED Michael’s short stint here; however, the Braves and Scott Boras DON’T play well together.

Frank Wren (firefrankwren.com), you SHOULD BE ASHAMED of yourself. This HISTORICAL COLLAPSE happened on your watch:

* Frank, you HIRED Fredi Gonzalez (childhood actor who portrayed Ricky Ricardo JR. on the I Love Lucy Show). Just as in Florida, Gonzalez PROVED he LACKS motivational and leadership skills. It looked like the team QUIT on him. Our dugout demeanor many times looked like a WAKE at a funeral home (other teams dugouts looked happy and focused).

* Frank, you brought in bargain-basement, washed-up, pig-in-a-poke BUMS like Matt Diaz, Julio Lugo, Scott Proctor, Scott Linebrink (WHY is Scott Linebrink pitching in the Majors???!!!), Brooks Conrad (his glove cost us TWO games in the playoffs last year and now he CAN’T hit anymore), Nate McClouth, Jack Wilson……….etc…..

* Frank, you gave Derek “KAWAKAMI” Lowe that 4th year at 15 million (2012) with NO team option or buyout clause (knowledge you should have gained in “General Managing 101″). Lowe is a CERTAIN LOSS EVERY time he pitched now. His velocity and command are LONG GONE. Knowing Lowe will be a fixture in the starting rotation next year Frankie boy will sell alot of season tickets.

* Frank, you kept Jason “BUST” Heyward up with the big club ALL year instead of sending him the minors to learn how to hit. Now it’s TOO LATE, Heyward has gone from SUPER Prospect status to the toilet bowl. I saw Tim Hudson’s expression when Heyward “clanked” that flyball in the OF. Obviously, Larry Parrish needs to be sent packing as well as Fredi!!!!!!!!

* Frank, once again you working with your bosses Liberty CHEAPIA, we Braves fans won’t have any HOPE in offseason acquistions for REAL MLB Talent Ballplayers. No stars, just bargain-basement, pig-in-a-poke “2nd tier” BUMS. Frankie, you can skirt around the issue all you want, but we KNOW you’re going to trade Michael Bourn this offseason because of monetary reasons… can’t wait to see who get in return (Rene Tosoni, Ham’ n Egger).

Braves fans would NOT be upset if we knew POSITIVE changes (see above) were going to be made. However, we all know how Liberty CHEAPIA and Frank “Burns” Wren work. Cheap, cheap, cheap, pig-in-a-poke, bargain basement philosophy. Nothing will change for the good over the offseason, it will be “business as usual” when Spring Training starts. Another NON-playoff season in 2012.

THANKS again Fredi for your leadership and motivational skills. Thank you too Frankie for giving us Derek Lowe next year. Thanks Derek “DUI” Lowe for EARNING the 15 million a year you are being paid.

Big Wally

September 29th, 2011
9:19 pm

John Sterling is a joke

September 29th, 2011
9:22 pm

PhilsFanFromNJ

September 29th, 2011
7:05 pm
By the way, the Phils will be even better next year with Phils GM Amaro stating that we will be actively pursuing Reyes and Kemp in the off season.
__________________________________________________________________________________

Gotta link for this? Wouldn’t this constitute tampering…IF true?

Fan from Afar

September 29th, 2011
9:32 pm

Some of the fans (so called) should spend a few years in Cubs, Pirates, etc. country. The Braves have done well for a middle priced payroll – sure they fell apart in September – remember when Pirates were in the lead? Did anyone want this to happen – no – but I have been a fan since 1983 when I moved to Atlanta – I have since lived in LA and Michigan – I get the satellite package so I can follow them. I will be back next year thankful for the great times in 2011 and hoping for better results in 2012.

Jason Heyward's Gynecologist

September 29th, 2011
9:33 pm

In the off-season, my patient is going to audition for the role of TIN MAN in the remake of “The Wizard of Oz.”

TIN MAN doesn’t have (or play baseball with) any heart, either.

phil

September 29th, 2011
9:41 pm

wonder
September 29th, 2011
8:14 pm

If I became tired at the end of a 6 month period having only worked 162 days for about 6 hours, would people notice or care? I go to work 5 days a week, 12 months a year with 2 weeks off and care of others for 8- 10 hours. I make decent money, not millions and I do not make excuses if I am tired or hurt. I give 100%, because that is what I am paid to do

AMEN!!!

Fire FG!

Bobby's Cox

September 29th, 2011
9:44 pm

You can put the blame on the players for 1 game yesterday. Wilson couldn’t field a grounder, Uggla looking at RF rounding 3rd when there was gonna be a play at the plate, Kimbrel not finding the strike zone, Freeman playing the line with Pence up, not walking Pence, not sending Uggla on the 3-2 pitch in the 13th…

Those things happen within a game, and it’s fine. It’s baseball. But, you manage a team for 162. You manage the staff, the rotation, the lineup, keeping the bench guys fresh, give the team strategy at the plate on how you want to roll with things. All of that was a let down. This isn’t about losing game 162. It was about creating problems and not finding solutions to problems well before it.

Not sending the pitching coach out to the mound often enough, telling guys in ST they want them to me more aggressive this year when that was already the problem for the past 15 seasons and after they ranked 4th in OBP last season, using Kimbrel & Venters in god knows how many blowout games, never using Kimbrel in a 4-out situation to get him accustomed to pressure, never trying a hit and run to spark the offense, taking Chipper out of the 2 hole after he’d been so successful, then not returning to it when we scored 4 runs in 4 games leading up to the finale, those are all management issues.

I understand Fredi when he said you let guys finish the jobs they’re there to do. But, I won’t agree with his decisions. He didn’t do a terrible job this year. Just not the job a good manager would’ve been capable of. Last year, we suffered more damaging injuries. We lost Jurrjens and Medlen who was pitching better than Hanson was this year. We lost Prado and Chipper. This year we had Uggla. We had Bourn. We actually had a 1B that could stand on two feet. And yet, we didn’t win as many games this year and let a HUGE lead slip away. Why? Because last year we had motivation to send Bobby Cox out on top. This year, the manager failed to motivate his club. Plain and simple

Jason Heyward's Gynecologist

September 29th, 2011
9:45 pm

I really hate my job.

darrell starks

September 29th, 2011
9:48 pm

Im always giving teams the blue print on how win championships, if only they listen call me you no whom im talking about so we can bring home a championship.
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!

Duffy

September 29th, 2011
9:52 pm

I have been a Braves’ fan since the 1950’s. I have suffered through 13 post-season collapses in the past two decades.

My misery continues with this year’s epic meltdown. Compounding my feelings is the fundamental lack of will I saw last night. I do not understand the home plate play when our player did not try to take the catcher’s head off to dislodge the ball instead of trying to avoid the catcher and finesse his way to the plate. Nor do it understand the last play of the game when our player slid straight into second base enabling the second baseman to make a standard double-play throw to first instead of reaching for the base with his left hand and for the second baseman’s legs with his spikes.

These guys are girly men. They deserved to lose playing baseball like it was a church league. They need tougher players with a win at any cost (within the rules) attitude and a manager with a take no prisoners expectation.

darrell starks

September 29th, 2011
9:56 pm

I no chipper is coming back but it’s time 2 let other players play and just become the braves hitting coach, and be a situational player to platoon at third, and go sign free agent Aramis Ramirez in the off season, offer him a 5 years 60 mill and he would take it to have a chance to win a championship.
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

September 29th, 2011
10:00 pm

Prado need loose at least 20 pounds in winter ball so he can become the braves future SS in year to come, since Gonzalez is gone.
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

September 29th, 2011
10:05 pm

2012 ATLANATA BRAVES

1. BOURN CF
2. CONSTANZA LF
3. RAMIREZ 3B
4. UGGLA 2B
5. FREEMAN 1B
6. PRADO SS
7. MCCANN CATCHER
8. HEYWARD RF

GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tim

September 29th, 2011
10:07 pm

gotta love the spoiled fan. in the 70’s and most of the 80’s save a couple years when Torre was the skipper the Braves were out of the race by the end of the first week of the season. Freddi did as good a job as anyone we don’t need a Larry Bowa,Billy Martin type. Injuries are part of the game we just had more than our share. I hated the last month of the season like everyone else but thats baseball it was not for lack of effort on the players part. I feel certain no one guy said “think I’ll go out and stink it up today”, they’re pro’s with a lot of pride. The players will learn from this and next year will be a great year. If your going to be a fan then get behind your team. Thank you Atlanta Braves for a fun season and thank your DOB for your daily updates.

kc

September 29th, 2011
10:21 pm

the braves,starting from the owner all the way down to the sorry ass bench players, are all pathetic losers. This organization is doing a great injustice to loyal fans such as myself, who’s only wish is for the players to give 100% and play abc baseball. I’ve been a braves fan since the dale murphy days. But as of last night, will no longer watch the braves. And trust me that’s some serious statement from a diehard braves fan like me. If the braves don’t fire freddy gonzalez and the rest of the scrubs they call coaches, trust im not the only one who will stop watching the braves. For once, get a manager with balls and fire, and is not afraid to yell at a player when he plays like a girl. Prado,Lowe,the ss, and all the sorry bench players needs to go.

LuisG

September 29th, 2011
10:28 pm

Thanks CR! So, what are the plans for Medlen this winter? Will he play Winter Ball?

NRBQ

September 29th, 2011
10:28 pm

KC -

The team did suck this year, but I’m willing to bet they don’t mind losing a “fan” such as yourself.

But you’re right, they should fire the “beach” players.

steve nj

September 29th, 2011
10:38 pm

Brave fan from NJ for over 40 year and i will stick with the braves till the day i die… true fans never jump ship. I like the braves future great arms good farm system and yes the bench needs some help. GO BRAVES will be wathing you next year again on direct tv.

bravo bravos

September 29th, 2011
10:41 pm

Just a reminder to tman that the Phillies payroll is second only to the Yankees at $173 million. That’s why the Phillies are loaded and are able to wheel and deal. The Braves payroll is one half that of the Phillies at $87 million. There was a time in the mid 90’s when the Braves were where the Phillies are. Remember Maddox, Glavine, Smoltz, Avery and later Neagle or even Millwood? Surrounded by Gant, Justice, Grissom, McGriff and Hoss and strong “D” up the middle they were as loaded as today’s Phillies. Wren’s done a very good job considering the financial limitations.

The Abs Man

September 29th, 2011
10:45 pm

Fredo Corleone: It ain’t the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I’m smart! Not like everybody says… like dumb… I’m smart and I want respect!

Now tell me Braves’ fans—-doesn’t Fredi Gonzalez remind us of Fredo more and more every game?

I Hate Scrubs

September 29th, 2011
11:28 pm

Hey Tim, let me guess, you’re a loser. I just witnessed one of the worst collapses in baseball history and I’m a “spoiled Braves Fan”. Hope you and Matt Diaz can spend the offseason laughing and cutting up about being part of baseball history. It enablers like you that keep the Braves complacent. Sprout a pair.

We can beat those Cheese Steaks!

September 30th, 2011
12:04 am

What is the opposite of Brave?

ENOUGH SAID!

gone

September 30th, 2011
12:09 am

No wonder Florida fired Freddie the eight inning was as about excited as I have see them in a while in a long time jump up off thr dugout and act all im to it

Truenobleman

September 30th, 2011
12:11 am

Hard to believe no
one is losing their job after this bust. Attendence down, lowest since 2004, so team lost money, and no one get’s fired? The Rays lowest payroll in baseball, or near the lowest and they make the playoffs, something is very wrong with this picture. Braves fan since 1965.

bravesfaninNashville

September 30th, 2011
12:28 am

I hope the Braves front office takes the weekend to get away and then comes back on Monday ready to makes good baseball/business decisions.. I hope they see that Fredi G is not the right man to lead this team forward and make a difficult emotional but easy baseball decision. If you only take into account future free agents wanting to play in Atlanta it’s hard to imagine that Fredi would be thought of as a manager great players want to play for. We need a man with a baseball pedigree either as a former player like Kirk Gibson (I know he’s not leaving Arizona he’s just an example) or as a previous manager that will instill that desire in great players to want to come to Atlanta.

I believe the front office has the duty to “Always and Only do what’s in the best interest of the Atlanta Braves”.. In this case I personally believe that includes finding the right leadership on the field to lead us forward.

Julius Hunter

September 30th, 2011
12:28 am

Atlanta’s offense let them down. They had a very good shortstop who could field & hit. But, alas, they saw fit to trade him to Toronto. Very frustrating.

Charleston EX brave fan

September 30th, 2011
12:34 am

Since 91 the only guy in Atl to have fire in his belly was David Justice and they had to get rid of him because it might be contagious. Watch and listen to Gibson and Arizona and you will see what it is like to have a manager who wants to win. Even in April it was, well, we’ll get them tomorrow. I like the players for the most part but management/coaches have no accountability for winning.

bravesfaninNashville

September 30th, 2011
12:38 am

EX Braves Fan … I agree there is no accountability….. If the front office doesn’t make a change how are they going to expect anyone in the organization to feel accountable? The culture needs to change and it needs to change now or they are going to have to rebuild a fan base and that’s not easy to do.

reckingball

September 30th, 2011
12:53 am

And the crying continues.

Truenobleman

September 30th, 2011
1:04 am

Good reasoning Nashville, we true blue blood Braves fans,must keep the heat on for change.

tman

September 30th, 2011
1:08 am

bravo bravos and all you people who say we are not true fans and should be happy we’re not Cubs or Pirates fans…first off, teams with a lot less payroll than Philly can be good with the right man as GM. With that being said, Philly can pay for top shelf players (if so desired) because they sell out every night. The Braves will never do that, but they might actually have bigger crowds with better product/hustle on the field and that might lead to more revenue to spend. I’m a huge Braves fan and have been a huge BASEBALL fan since my ‘68 Tigers won the WS. I don’t accept mediocrity from any team, so I don’t intend to ever be happy with that just because they aren’t the Cubs. We’re talking about the Atlanta Braves! They used to be the Yankees of the NL and NEVER had the payroll of the Yankees either. They are mismanaged, big time and I don’t care who disagrees. I’ll say it again, they should have looked at other options after Bobby. Kirk Gibson, who had not yet been retained by AZ after 1/2 season last year, to me should have been considered, as one of many candidates. I’m beginning to think Shuerholz needs to go. Doesn’t he screen any of FW’s trades or FA signings??

JAFO

September 30th, 2011
1:16 am

GET FRANCONA NOW! Where is that idiot lobosobotomy now?

james jones

September 30th, 2011
1:28 am

please please please hire another hitting coach. consistent hitting is the problem.

james jones

September 30th, 2011
1:29 am

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bravesfaninNashville

September 30th, 2011
1:54 am

Looks like Terry Francona is going to be available. I think he got caught in a locker room full of mega priced prima donnas. Too bad because he’s a great strategist and the best manager the Sox have had in the last 100 years.

I’ll bet there will be several teams competing for him. White Sox, Cubs, Nationals, maybe Cardinals if La Russa leaves. I’d love to see the Braves go get him because he’d bring an instant new culture to the clubhouse and he has 2 world series wins on his resume in a town that couldn’t win in a century.

We can beat those Cheese Steaks!

September 30th, 2011
1:58 am

“Since 91 the only guy in Atl to have fire in his belly was David Justice”
David was Mr. Clutch!!

Tobacco chewing Deer Hunter is not.. Was not…Choke!

Hey Fredi Delta is bout ready too send ya back home!

We can beat those Cheese Steaks!

September 30th, 2011
2:04 am

“Gant, Justice, Grissom, McGriff ”

The Four Horseman!

Now we Four Hamburgers……

Biglefty

September 30th, 2011
3:16 am

“I’m proud of this club” Fredi says. They lost the last 5 str8 games. Sounds like something Cox would say after one of his meltdowns.

Biglefty

September 30th, 2011
3:18 am

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LOB Braves

September 30th, 2011
6:32 am

Just heard Francona is out. WHy can’t this POS Braves team make some changes when necessary. FG needs to go, but the very least that should be done is let Parrish go. Atlanta Fans are Pissed Off and something needs to be done.

Jjordan

September 30th, 2011
7:18 am

How can the Braves expect different results next year without changing a soul on the coaching staff??? Two moves could make a Huge difference, Parrish Has to go, the Phillies made the Brave hitters look like little leaguers, Bring back Rockin Leo to get this pitching staff where they can last all year, they have been drained by early August every year since he left!!!

wjones

September 30th, 2011
7:21 am

“tinman

September 29th, 2011
6:30 pm
I’ve watched the Braves play since !966 and this is the weakest team they have ever put on the field. When you don’t have enough desire to win for the fans you need to get out of the game. They need to put Chipper out to pasture and send Lowe, Fredi G. and entire staff packing.”

You’ve been watching since 1966 and THIS is the weakest team? REALLY? You, sir, are either speaking in hyperbole to get some point across, or you seriously need to see a doctor for symptoms of dimentia. I know this month was VERY disappointing, and I too am angry that we spit out a big lead, but…….

Go back and look at teams from 1967, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1976, 1977 (REALLY BAD!), 1978, 1979, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988 (THIS WAS THE WORST BRAVES TEAM EVER!), 1989, 1990, 2006, and 2008. That’s 17 teams, and I’m not even talking about semi-overacheiving teams like 1968, 1971, 1980, 1981, or even the 1984 team that tanked after the SD brawl. So yeah, be upset, and yeah, expect better results, but don’t just say things that are patently and totally inaccurate. You just make yourself sound dumb.

And for all the folks pining away for Justice, yes, he had some great clutch hits for us, there can be no doubt. He wasn’t close to being as good defensively as Heyward, despite a strong arm–he developed this running slide thing in the OF that more times than not resulted in balls going by him, or him trapping them when they should have been caught. But here is his games played log, from when he was called up to stay:

1990————127 games (called up around late April/early May)
1991————109 games (yes, he missed two months that year)
1992————144 games
1993————157 games (his big year, and the only year he played in over 150 games)
1994————104 games (strike year, but he still missed more than 10 games)
1995————120 games (yes, a post season hero, but missed over 20 games)
1996————-40 games (early season injury, never came back, opening door for Jermaine and Andruw)

That was a major factor in him leaving town—he just could not stay on the field, and this was as a YOUNG man. You folks talk about Chipper being brittle? Chipper was on the field all the time until he started getting older and more injury prone. Justice missed games from day one, and things like his back, etc., that told me he just didn’t take care of himself the way he should. I remember there was a famous talk that Pendleton had with Justice and another young player at the time during our run, where Terry basically read the riot act to them about taking care of themselves off the field so they could be better team players and get the team to the World Series. Bobby would do that from time to time, knowing that a respected team leader could do many times what a manager might not be able to do.

General Patton

September 30th, 2011
7:37 am

“Worst choke in baseball history, even worse than the Braves this year, the Braves who used to play in Boston, which as someone said yesterday proves that you can take the Braves out of Boston, but you can’t take the Boston out of the Braves.” Howie Carr Boston Herald

BOOYAH

September 30th, 2011
7:51 am

They aren’t going to fire the manager, hit Mac seventh, or play Prado at short. Chipper hit .276, why should he retire? You all are a bunch of over-reactionary retards.

Tomahawk Squawk

September 30th, 2011
7:52 am

I live in NY. When the Mets melted down blowing a seven game lead with 17 to play to the Phillies…they cleaned the house out, manager, general mgr, coaches
What do the Braves do? Reward them by rehiring them back for another dismal year.
What a joke
This organization is the King of Apathy.
No wonder the fans dont show up…and the ones that DO show up are sitting on their hands
the whole game. You can hear a fart go off in that place

ccrider

September 30th, 2011
7:53 am

my braves days are over. i suffered thru the early 80s but admired the hustle of those overmatched teams. i’m tippin’ my cap good-bye.

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